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[Mrs. Rannous]

One thing I wanted to know was why do kids have to wait until they are 11-12. Does the CDC answer this question? No. They give you the answer they think you want. I want to know why cant my kids get it when they are 8 months old. Why wait until 11? 

The vaccine is most effective for the years immediately after administration.  I REALLY hope no child under 10 needs this.

 

[parasaurolophus]

It's not missing. It's just irrelevant.

So is the fact that 79 million people have HPV. So either give all the data, or don't mention the other numbers. Cant have it both ways. You know as well as I do the 79 million is a scare tactic. Maybe you agree with using things like that, I don't. I just want people to learn everything they need to get the vaccine. 

and btw I don't mean you. I mean the CDC, American cancer society, etc.

 

[parasaurolophus]

The vaccine is most effective for the years immediately after administration.  I REALLY hope no child under 10 needs this.

Where did you find that information? I don't think that is accurate. If that is true than you are suggesting that the peak sexual activity for kids is from say 11-16. There is no way kids that age are more sexually active than college kids. Some may be, but no way on average.  

 

[Tom Skerritt]

So is the fact that 79 million people have HPV. So either give all the data, or don't mention the other numbers. Cant have it both ways. You know as well as I do the 79 million is a scare tactic. Maybe you agree with using things like that, I don't. I just want people to learn everything they need to get the vaccine. 

and btw I don't mean you. I mean the CDC, American cancer society, etc.

I don't believe it to be a scare tactic. It is a fact. And what difference does it make? Just because a percentage of those 79 million people are at higher risk does not change the end game. Everyone (except for those situations where it would be unsafe) should get vaccinated regardless.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Do you believe that there is a certain percentage that would justify not getting the vaccine? Like, if you found out that it only prevented 75% of infections, would that make it worth the risk to you? Or 65%? Or 50%? Do you have a specific number in mind?

I actually think the number is probably more like 5%. Maybe even lower. Obviously that low of a % didnt stop me. 

 

[Tom Skerritt]

Where did you find that information? I don't think that is accurate. If that is true than you are suggesting that the peak sexual activity for kids is from say 11-16. There is no way kids that age are more sexually active than college kids. Some may be, but no way on average.  

It's not about peak activity, it's about getting vaccinated prior to exposure. 

Man you sure are an alarmist.

 

[parasaurolophus]

It's not about peak activity, it's about getting vaccinated prior to exposure. 

Man you sure are an alarmist.

You have absolutely awful reading comprehension. Seriously. It is ridiculous.

I was replying to this statement.

 The vaccine is most effective for the years immediately after administration

Since you will jump to all sorts of conclusions, answer a simple question.

Is that true???

If it isn't true, do you think it should be posted?

Please just answer those two easy questions. 

 

[Tom Skerritt]

You have absolutely awful reading comprehension. Seriously. It is ridiculous.

I was replying to this statement.

Since you will jump to all sorts of conclusions, answer a simple question.

Is that true??? Maybe, I don't know. (though I doubt)

If it isn't true, do you think it should be posted? No, but would this be the first incorrect post in the history of the internet. Use some common sense.

Please just answer those two easy questions. 

I'll answer your questions. But all of your questions are irrelevant. It is impossible to know the answers with 100% certainty. The only absolutism is that all children should be vaccinated. It's not that difficult to understand.

Pre-adolescents tolerate the vaccinations better than adolescents and young adults. Does this mean you shouldn't vaccinate after age 11? No. It's just clinical evidence.

Can kids be exposed to HPV prior to 9 years old? Of course. Does this mean that we should vaccinate all children prior to 9 years old? No.

This cannot be packaged into a neat little box for you.

 

[eoMMan]

You guys are doing a number on my thread, huh?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

You guys are doing a number on my thread, huh?

Did you know?  Moe? Man?

 

[boots11234]

Not sure how you came up with this assumption after reading my post.

I was not saying people should not get the measles vaccine. Good god, if I have to read one more facebook post about freaking mercury in these things I will lose my mind. I was making a point that measles is pretty much eradicated(in the US). I bet tons of people don't even know somebody that has ever had measles. It is a disease that you are unlikely to be exposed to. People still without hesitation get this vaccine, AS THEY SHOULD. Whats different? The information is clear, concise, and long proven. 

Most people probably know somebody that has had an HPV related cancer. Yet most people do NOT get this vaccine(i think only 40% of girls and 22% of boys get the full dosage) and might not know that the cancer was an HPV related cancer.

I am trying to have a discussion about why I think people are ignoring this vaccine. Not saying kids shouldnt get it. I think they SHOULD GET THIS VACCINE. I 100% support it. Just so I can make that clear since people are enjoying jumping to conclusions here. 

One thing I wanted to know was why do kids have to wait until they are 11-12. Does the CDC answer this question? No. They give you the answer they think you want. I want to know why cant my kids get it when they are 8 months old. Why wait until 11? 

 I wanted to know of the 79 million people that have HPV, what % of those infections could be prevented by the vaccine. This is very difficult data to find. I asked that very question in this thread and I think everybody had the same luck I had trying to find it. THIS SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED ME SAYING PEOPLE SHOULDN'T DO THIS BECAUSE THAT DATA IS MISSING.

There are plenty of other questions that I don't think are very easy to obtain answers for. I think that needs to be changed. 

Why don't you like vaccines Hitler? ?

 

[parasaurolophus]

I thought this was a well written blog about this vaccine.

Echoes some of the sentiments I had(although he focuses more on women) and he ultimately recommends the vaccine as I do. I do think the benefits are very overstated, but I also think there is pretty much zero harm in getting it so from a risk reward standpoint to me it was an easy decision. No history of fainting, irritation, etc. My son just got his final dose about 6 months ago so this is all still fresh in my mind. 

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

I thought this was a well written blog about this vaccine.

Echoes some of the sentiments I had(although he focuses more on women) and he ultimately recommends the vaccine as I do. I do think the benefits are very overstated, but I also think there is pretty much zero harm in getting it so from a risk reward standpoint to me it was an easy decision. No history of fainting, irritation, etc. My son just got his final dose about 6 months ago so this is all still fresh in my mind. 

This was written 8 years ago by an internist about a different vaccine than is currently given in this country. 

 

[Tom Skerritt]

This was written 8 years ago by an internist about a different vaccine than is currently given in this country. 

No wonder that dude doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

No wonder that dude doesn't know what he's talking about.

He was well informed and based on his internet presence is a far more prestigious doctor than I and he wrote a thoughtful post about the vaccine in 2011. I don't agree with much of it, though, much of which is probably due to the fact that he was basing his opinion on information from 8+ years ago.

The vaccine now covers 9 strains that predispose to 90% of genitourinary cancers and warts. It is also now recommended for males. It is also now a 2 dose series, not 3, for children under 15 years of age, thus cutting his cost-for-uninsured argument (not to mention that VFC will cover that cost for uninsured children, negating his cost-for-uninsured argument). I may also be biased by working with a fairly large poor population that will definitely not have routine checkups and Pap smears as they age.

What really pisses me off with his blog post is his passive-aggressive mention of the possible deaths related to the HPV vaccines.  Again, maybe this was due to the fact that this post was written 8 years ago, but to my knowledge, there was no scientific evidence at that time connecting the deaths to the vaccine.  This post from 2015 gives a detailed rundown of these deaths.

 

[parasaurolophus]

He was well informed and based on his internet presence is a far more prestigious doctor than I and he wrote a thoughtful post about the vaccine in 2011. I don't agree with much of it, though, much of which is probably due to the fact that he was basing his opinion on information from 8+ years ago.

The vaccine now covers 9 strains that predispose to 90% of genitourinary cancers and warts. It is also now recommended for males. It is also now a 2 dose series, not 3, for children under 15 years of age, thus cutting his cost-for-uninsured argument (not to mention that VFC will cover that cost for uninsured children, negating his cost-for-uninsured argument). I may also be biased by working with a fairly large poor population that will definitely not have routine checkups and Pap smears as they age.

What really pisses me off with his blog post is his passive-aggressive mention of the possible deaths related to the HPV vaccines.  Again, maybe this was due to the fact that this post was written 8 years ago, but to my knowledge, there was no scientific evidence at that time connecting the deaths to the vaccine.  This post from 2015 gives a detailed rundown of these deaths.

Clearly I discounted the discussion of the deaths or I would have never said "zero harm". He did say the risks were also overstated and he also said...

The authors rightfully concluded that causality could not be established and that further research into these potential harms are warranted.

The cervical cancer numbers he cites are unchanged today for cases and deaths.   

It was a 2011 blog so of course the updated version, gardisil 9, which I believe was released in 2015 wasn't available (he specifically mentions gardisil so its not like he was talking about an indonesian elixir). 

He does mention that low income women are who at greatest risk because they are unlikely to get pap smears. He also said that an issue to be fixed was that low income women were also least likely to get the vaccine back then. Obviously that was fixed. 

One of his biggest points was that we wont truly know what effect these vaccines have had for like 20 years. Pretty sure that point remains now. Just make it like 14 years instead. 

 

[Chemical X]

I think the doctor should pull an iPad out in the examination room and show the patient a commercial.  This seems to work in other commercials.

 

[General Malaise]

13 year old son had his annual check-up yesterday.  This vaccine was administered and we'll be back in 6 months for his second dose.  Not sure I understand a parent opting out of this, but there's a lot of things I don't understand. 

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Where did you find that information? I don't think that is accurate. If that is true than you are suggesting that the peak sexual activity for kids is from say 11-16. There is no way kids that age are more sexually active than college kids. Some may be, but no way on average.  

Here.  Many vaccines lose some effectiveness over time.  That's why you get booster shots.

 

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