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Disappointing RBs in 2012 (1 Viewer)

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Raider Nation

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I've been playing fantasy football for over 20 years. I cannot remember such a BRUTAL season for RB production.

Congratulations if you drafted one of the few success stories on the first list below.

RBs who have met or exceeded preseason expectations:

Arian Foster

Adrian Peterson

Ray Rice

Stevan Ridley

Alfred Morris

Trent Richardson

Marshawn Lynch

Doug Martin

C.J. Spiller

RBs who failed to meet preseason expectations, either by injury or under-performing (or both):

Darren McFadden

Ryan Mathews

Jamaal Charles

LeSean McCoy

Ahmad Bradshaw

Shonn Greene

Chris Johnson

Michael Turner

Matt Forte

Darren Sproles

Maurice Jones-Drew

BenJarvus Green-Ellis

Steven Jackson

DeMarco Murray

Fred Jackson

Donald Brown

Cedric Benson

DeAngelo Williams

Jonathan Stewart

Kevin Smith

Beanie Wells

Ryan Williams

Mark Ingram

Peyton Hillis

And then there are a handful of guys who are right about where they figured to be right now.

 
'Raider Nation said:
I've been playing fantasy football for over 20 years. I cannot remember such a BRUTAL season for RB production.

Congratulations if you drafted one of the few success stories on the first list below.

RBs who have met or exceeded preseason expectations:

Arian Foster

Adrian Peterson

Ray Rice

Stevan Ridley

Alfred Morris

Trent Richardson

Marshawn Lynch

Doug Martin

C.J. Spiller

RBs who failed to meet preseason expectations, either by injury or under-performing (or both):

Darren McFadden

Ryan Mathews

Jamaal Charles

LeSean McCoy

Ahmad Bradshaw

Shonn Greene

Chris Johnson

Michael Turner

Matt Forte

Darren Sproles

Maurice Jones-Drew

BenJarvus Green-Ellis

Steven Jackson

DeMarco Murray

Fred Jackson

Donald Brown

Cedric Benson

DeAngelo Williams

Jonathan Stewart

Kevin Smith

Beanie Wells

Ryan Williams

Mark Ingram

Peyton Hillis

And then there are a handful of guys who are right about where they figured to be right now.
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McCoy is the #3 RB in my 1 ppr league in ppg. Even if non-ppr, he's on pace for 1500 total yards and 11 TDs. You're gonna have to unpack how he's underperforming.
 
'gianmarco said:
'Raider Nation said:
I've been playing fantasy football for over 20 years. I cannot remember such a BRUTAL season for RB production.

Congratulations if you drafted one of the few success stories on the first list below.

RBs who have met or exceeded preseason expectations:

Arian Foster

Adrian Peterson

Ray Rice

Stevan Ridley

Alfred Morris

Trent Richardson

Marshawn Lynch

Doug Martin

C.J. Spiller

RBs who failed to meet preseason expectations, either by injury or under-performing (or both):

Darren McFadden

Ryan Mathews

Jamaal Charles

LeSean McCoy

Ahmad Bradshaw

Shonn Greene

Chris Johnson

Michael Turner

Matt Forte

Darren Sproles

Maurice Jones-Drew

BenJarvus Green-Ellis

Steven Jackson

DeMarco Murray

Fred Jackson

Donald Brown

Cedric Benson

DeAngelo Williams

Jonathan Stewart

Kevin Smith

Beanie Wells

Ryan Williams

Mark Ingram

Peyton Hillis

And then there are a handful of guys who are right about where they figured to be right now.
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McCoy is the #3 RB in my 1 ppr league in ppg. Even if non-ppr, he's on pace for 1500 total yards and 11 TDs. You're gonna have to unpack how he's underperforming.
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#6 in my PPR league. He's performing a little below the top 3 draft pick he was in most leagues, but I wouldn't call him a disappointment.He just hasn't had a monster game yet (although I fully expect that to change tomorrow night).

 
I think Forte has done fine, besides the time he's missed. In fact, there's been an uptick in his rushes in the redzone, which bodes well for him.

 
'gianmarco said:
McCoy is the #3 RB in my 1 ppr league in ppg. Even if non-ppr, he's on pace for 1500 total yards and 11 TDs. You're gonna have to unpack how he's underperforming.
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He had 20 TDs last year. 17 on the ground. He has 2 on the ground through 7 games. :shrug:
 
'gianmarco said:
'Raider Nation said:
I've been playing fantasy football for over 20 years. I cannot remember such a BRUTAL season for RB production.

Congratulations if you drafted one of the few success stories on the first list below.

RBs who have met or exceeded preseason expectations:

Arian Foster

Adrian Peterson

Ray Rice

Stevan Ridley

Alfred Morris

Trent Richardson

Marshawn Lynch

Doug Martin

C.J. Spiller

RBs who failed to meet preseason expectations, either by injury or under-performing (or both):

Darren McFadden

Ryan Mathews

Jamaal Charles

LeSean McCoy

Ahmad Bradshaw

Shonn Greene

Chris Johnson

Michael Turner

Matt Forte

Darren Sproles

Maurice Jones-Drew

BenJarvus Green-Ellis

Steven Jackson

DeMarco Murray

Fred Jackson

Donald Brown

Cedric Benson

DeAngelo Williams

Jonathan Stewart

Kevin Smith

Beanie Wells

Ryan Williams

Mark Ingram

Peyton Hillis

And then there are a handful of guys who are right about where they figured to be right now.
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McCoy is the #3 RB in my 1 ppr league in ppg. Even if non-ppr, he's on pace for 1500 total yards and 11 TDs. You're gonna have to unpack how he's underperforming.
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5yrs ago this had value but with soooo many RBBC in the NFL it's just not the same.
 
It's a good thread topic. It's one of the reasons I stopped paying attention to RBs as much as I used to and started looking at WR/DB match ups. Teams want to throw the ball, very few teams are committed to running the ball and when you look at the last 10-15 Super Bowl winners, most of the teams have super QBs, avg RBs, and it just isn't your father's NFL anymore.

I think leagues are gonna have to look at hybrid line ups where you only need to start 1 RB, then have 1-2 flex spots that can be either RB/WR or TE.

I get dibs on bumping this thread in 3 years o a slow Tuesday.

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
I think leagues are gonna have to look at hybrid line ups where you only need to start 1 RB, then have 1-2 flex spots that can be either RB/WR or TE.
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We do that in Tim League over in the FFA. Love having the option to start only 1 RB.Oddly though in that league, I'm starting 3 RBs this week. Peterson, Morris and P. Thomas.Couldn't pass up Pierre in a PPR with Sproles out.
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
It's a good thread topic. It's one of the reasons I stopped paying attention to RBs as much as I used to and started looking at WR/DB match ups. Teams want to throw the ball, very few teams are committed to running the ball and when you look at the last 10-15 Super Bowl winners, most of the teams have super QBs, avg RBs, and it just isn't your father's NFL anymore. I think leagues are gonna have to look at hybrid line ups where you only need to start 1 RB, then have 1-2 flex spots that can be either RB/WR or TE. I get dibs on bumping this thread in 3 years o a slow Tuesday.
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Our league is currently 1QB, 1RB, 3WR/TE, 1 FLEX (RB, WR, TE)Next year we are allowing full flexibility 1QB, 5 WR/TE (if teams so desire)
 
'donkshow said:
This list is why I'm trying to acquire Harvin while people are still blowing their load over RB's.
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:goodposting: i have a team with zero rb depth... my rb1 is rice, my rb2 dmc, my rb3 is green. if mcfadden is out a long time im pretty much screwed. the reason im mentioning this is. everybody seems to be screwed at rb. i could trade one of my 3 stud wrs (harvin, julio, cobb) but thatll end up hurting me more than helping. guys like alex green suck but the consistent 8-10 pts a week is pretty nice actually
 
'shadyridr said:
'donkshow said:
This list is why I'm trying to acquire Harvin while people are still blowing their load over RB's.
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:goodposting: i have a team with zero rb depth... my rb1 is rice, my rb2 dmc, my rb3 is green. if mcfadden is out a long time im pretty much screwed. the reason im mentioning this is. everybody seems to be screwed at rb. i could trade one of my 3 stud wrs (harvin, julio, cobb) but thatll end up hurting me more than helping. guys like alex green suck but the consistent 8-10 pts a week is pretty nice actually
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Yep for sure.I should have mentioned mine was a keeper league.But yes, WR are more consistent it seems (used to be RB IMO).Definitely going to jump the gun on WR next year when everybody is reaching for RB20 when top 10 WR are available.
 
What happened to the good old days when you could plug in Emmitt Smith and Barry Foster every week and sleep like a baby?

<_<

 
The lack of successful backs means most FF teams have terrible depth.

Looking to trade for a back to fill in for McFadden and it looks like few teams have even bench strength to trade away.

 
'Raider Nation said:
'shadyridr said:
'dickey moe said:
'OG_GF said:
McGhee, Ridley, CJ Spiller, A Morris, are over performing.
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The fact that these guys are overperforming and supposed studs are underperforming kinda buffers Raider Nation's point.
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:confused: he mentioned every single one of these guys in his post
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Not Willis. I had him grouped into the "about as expected" category.
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Coming into today, McGahee was RB11 in PPR total points, RB8 on a PPG basis.Link to anybody calling him a #1 - preseason or anytime since.Criminally underrated, and overperforming.
 
'Raider Nation said:
'gianmarco said:
McCoy is the #3 RB in my 1 ppr league in ppg. Even if non-ppr, he's on pace for 1500 total yards and 11 TDs. You're gonna have to unpack how he's underperforming.
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He had 20 TDs last year. 17 on the ground. He has 2 on the ground through 7 games. :shrug:
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I get that, but you weren't expecting 20 TDs again, were you? Again, he's on pace for double digit TDs and 1500 combined yards. That's hardly a disappointment, especially considering how poorly most RBs are performing. And again, in 1 ppr, he's #3 RB. I don't see how you can call that a disappointment. Maybe in non-ppr, but not otherwise. That said, yes, the whole idea here is true and making this year annoying overall.
 
Everyone's mentioned how it's a passing league now. I think one specific thing that doesn't get mentioned as much is how most teams completely abandon the run even when they're down just a little. The 49ers are a rare team that keeps pounding the ball. Today, the Steelers stuck with the run and it paid off. But most teams end up racking up 50 or even 60 pass attempts.

 
'BobbyLayne said:
Coming into today, McGahee was RB11 in PPR total points, RB8 on a PPG basis.

Link to anybody calling him a #1 - preseason or anytime since.



Criminally underrated, and overperforming.
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This.He had a dog of a game today, but to this point had pretty much been nails. His remaining schedule is very favorable as well.

 
'SaintsInDome2006 said:
The lack of successful backs means most FF teams have terrible depth.Looking to trade for a back to fill in for McFadden and it looks like few teams have even bench strength to trade away.
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:yes:I've given up trying to trade. It takes an act of God to pry one of the handful of dependable RBs from their owners.
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
It's a good thread topic. It's one of the reasons I stopped paying attention to RBs as much as I used to and started looking at WR/DB match ups. Teams want to throw the ball, very few teams are committed to running the ball and when you look at the last 10-15 Super Bowl winners, most of the teams have super QBs, avg RBs, and it just isn't your father's NFL anymore. I think leagues are gonna have to look at hybrid line ups where you only need to start 1 RB, then have 1-2 flex spots that can be either RB/WR or TE. I get dibs on bumping this thread in 3 years o a slow Tuesday.
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Both my leagues are 1 rb with either 1 or 2 rb-wr-te flex. Much more enjoyable with that flexibility. I usually end up going with Rbs but no one should be forced into starting Danny Woodhead or Daniel Thomas in a mandated RB2 spot.
 
Re: McGahee and Shady. This wasn't anything scientific, fellas. I looked at the RB stat leaders in my league and I made quick lists based on what I thought was appropriate given the preseason expectations. I certainly may be off on a few of them, but the larger point is that the RB position in general is an absolute nightmare.

 
'BigTex said:
'gianmarco said:
'Raider Nation said:
I've been playing fantasy football for over 20 years. I cannot remember such a BRUTAL season for RB production.

Congratulations if you drafted one of the few success stories on the first list below.

RBs who have met or exceeded preseason expectations:

Arian Foster

Adrian Peterson

Ray Rice

Stevan Ridley

Alfred Morris

Trent Richardson

Marshawn Lynch

Doug Martin

C.J. Spiller

RBs who failed to meet preseason expectations, either by injury or under-performing (or both):

Darren McFadden

Ryan Mathews

Jamaal Charles

LeSean McCoy

Ahmad Bradshaw

Shonn Greene

Chris Johnson

Michael Turner

Matt Forte

Darren Sproles

Maurice Jones-Drew

BenJarvus Green-Ellis

Steven Jackson

DeMarco Murray

Fred Jackson

Donald Brown

Cedric Benson

DeAngelo Williams

Jonathan Stewart

Kevin Smith

Beanie Wells

Ryan Williams

Mark Ingram

Peyton Hillis

And then there are a handful of guys who are right about where they figured to be right now.
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McCoy is the #3 RB in my 1 ppr league in ppg. Even if non-ppr, he's on pace for 1500 total yards and 11 TDs. You're gonna have to unpack how he's underperforming.
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5yrs ago this had value but with soooo many RBBC in the NFL it's just not the same.
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I agree with the overall sentiment -- that RBBC has changed the face of fantasy RB production overall. But I don' think that mitigates RN's point at all. Here are the RBs on his underperforming list that are or were in no way part of a true RBBC when drafting in August (and for the most part now, for that matter):

Darren McFadden

Ryan Mathews (was only limited by injury going into the season)

Jamaal Charles

LeSean McCoy

Ahmad Bradshaw (most expected Wilson to have an impact, but to be worked in over the course of the season)

Shonn Greene

Chris Johnson

Michael Turner

Matt Forte

Maurice Jones-Drew

BenJarvus Green-Ellis

Steven Jackson

DeMarco Murray

Fred Jackson (now an RBBC, but because of Spiller's explosion -- I don't think anyone would have said this was an RBBC going into the season)

Donald Brown

Cedric Benson

Kevin Smith (debatable, but I don't think going into the season that Detroit was going RBBC as a rule)

 
Basically 2 big weeks and Doug Martin is the #1 RB in points scored overall right now.

That wouldn't be a big deal in week 4 but we're in week 9...I think it kind of goes along with what RN is saying.

 
In most leagues that I'm mediocre or struggling in...it's been underperforming or injured RBs that have put me there.

McFadden

Murray

Mathews

 
'Raider Nation said:
I've been playing fantasy football for over 20 years. I cannot remember such a BRUTAL season for RB production.

Congratulations if you drafted one of the few success stories on the first list below.

RBs who have met or exceeded preseason expectations:

Arian Foster

Adrian Peterson

Ray Rice

Stevan Ridley

Alfred Morris

Trent Richardson

Marshawn Lynch

Doug Martin

C.J. Spiller

RBs who failed to meet preseason expectations, either by injury or under-performing (or both):

Darren McFadden

Ryan Mathews

Jamaal Charles

LeSean McCoy

Ahmad Bradshaw

Shonn Greene

Chris Johnson

Michael Turner

Matt Forte

Darren Sproles

Maurice Jones-Drew

BenJarvus Green-Ellis

Steven Jackson

DeMarco Murray

Fred Jackson

Donald Brown

Cedric Benson

DeAngelo Williams

Jonathan Stewart

Kevin Smith

Beanie Wells

Ryan Williams

Mark Ingram

Peyton Hillis

And then there are a handful of guys who are right about where they figured to be right now.
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I don't agree with some of this list either, all these guys aren't under performing. Any guys that have missed a lot of time to injuries I wouldn't put on that list either since you can't predict injuries.Mccoy is 5th in PPG in my PPR league, it isn't top 3 like we thought but still close enough

Forte is 9th in PPG in the same league, he was injured as well. I wouldn't put him there either

Charles is 13th and I didn't expect him to be top 20 this year.

Greene is about where I thought he would be, a few good games, a few duds

Sproles is 11th in PPR I am not sure how much more you expected out of him

Turner is 25th and I expected him to be about 20 to 25 with the Falcons new offense

I think you missed on these guys as well for over performing

Leshoure

Mcgahee

Gore

I think these guys belong on the under performing list as well

Quizz Rodgers

Ben Tate

 
'asuterlowe said:
'Raider Nation said:
'gianmarco said:
McCoy is the #3 RB in my 1 ppr league in ppg. Even if non-ppr, he's on pace for 1500 total yards and 11 TDs. You're gonna have to unpack how he's underperforming.
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He had 20 TDs last year. 17 on the ground. He has 2 on the ground through 7 games. :shrug:
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If you thought he was going to have 20 TDs again this year, your pre-season expectations may have unreasonably high
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Still a disappointing TD total no matter what my expectations were.
 
'5-ish Finkle said:
'BobbyLayne said:
Coming into today, McGahee was RB11 in PPR total points, RB8 on a PPG basis.

Link to anybody calling him a #1 - preseason or anytime since.



Criminally underrated, and overperforming.
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This.He had a dog of a game today, but to this point had pretty much been nails. His remaining schedule is very favorable as well.
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:goodposting: He is this year's version of Ricky Williams in Miami a while back. An aging vet, with enough burts to bring it home down the stretch. Cheap buy in dyno's.

 
After wasting my 1.10 on McFadden, I've been starting him and 4 WR's every week, especially after Benson got hurt, my RB2.

I got lucky with Dwyer for 2 weeks, now I'm starting Taiwan Jones this week! :topcat: I could start K Hunter... what a mess.

Funny thing is I'm at 7-2 with another team and behind us are a few 5-4 teams. Starting 4WR was definitely the way to go this year, and I sort of got there by accident, or neccesity.

The worst thing is to be at the top of a league that uses waiver wire priority. 10 or 11 teams get a shot at FA's before I can. Only reason I got Dwyer was because him starting was only announced on a Friday afternoon. I couldn't even get Reece to replace McFadden.

At least I got this: I tried to get Goodson to handcuff McFadden and the owner tried to hold me up with a gun. Well, the inevitable happened, McFadden is hurt, but so is Goodson! Ha!

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
It's a good thread topic. It's one of the reasons I stopped paying attention to RBs as much as I used to and started looking at WR/DB match ups. Teams want to throw the ball, very few teams are committed to running the ball and when you look at the last 10-15 Super Bowl winners, most of the teams have super QBs, avg RBs, and it just isn't your father's NFL anymore.

I think leagues are gonna have to look at hybrid line ups where you only need to start 1 RB, then have 1-2 flex spots that can be either RB/WR or TE.

I get dibs on bumping this thread in 3 years o a slow Tuesday.
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My primary redraft league has been doing this for the 3rd year now. Works very nicely for us. We just decided as a league that such emphasis from a fantasy perspective shouldn't be placed on a position that isn't as important in the real league. YMMV of course
 
We already discussed being able to bring out different "formations"

1rb/4wr/1te

2rb/3wr/1te

2rb/2wr/2te

etc..

basically 1/2/1 with 2 rb/wr/te flex, no super flex, will never do a 2qb league.

 
RB's are expendable, unpredictable, unreliable, and have less and less value in FF every year. I haven't drafted a RB in the first round in about 3 years now, and I can't understand why anyone would.

 
'General Tso said:
RB's are expendable, unpredictable, unreliable, and have less and less value in FF every year. I haven't drafted a RB in the first round in about 3 years now, and I can't understand why anyone would.
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Not to derail the thread but Wayne, V.jax, Percy, Decker and Randell Cobb are all in the top 10 in my league. Fitz and Calvin are barely in the top 20. Good luck guessing the top 5 WRs at the beginning of any given year.The top 6 RBs are Martin Foster Rice Peterson Lynch Richardson. So 3 regular top 5 picks and 2 rookie first rounders and 1 player who's motivation is the only thing keeping him out of the conversation every year. If anything this shows the value of getting a solid rb in the first round is higher than ever, the top tier rbs are some of the most consistent players out there.
 
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'Stompin said:
Fred Jackson (now an RBBC, but because of Spiller's explosion -- I don't think anyone would have said this was an RBBC going into the season)
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You are right, I expected Spiller to be the outright starter by now and Jackson to be done. He's 31 years old and the writing was on the wall last year. I don't understand this minority of guys who loved Fred Jackson and wouldn't see reason.
 
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