Discuss contact after 5 yards by the DB who is covering a WR (1 Viewer)

[Breesisdaman]

What is really stated in the NFL rules because any consistency in calling it have flown out the window with the officials this year. What is a DB allowed to grab/push reroute etc toward the WR, before and after the ball is in the air?assuming the ball has not yet reached the target.

Is the following incorrect?

1. There shall be no interference with a forward pass thrown from behind the line. The restriction for the passing team starts with the snap. The restriction on the defensive team starts when the ball leaves the passer’s hand. Both restrictions end when the ball is touched by anyone.
2. The penalty for defensive pass interference is an automatic first down at the spot of the foul. If interference is in the end zone, it is first down for the offense on the defense’s 1-yard line. If previous spot was inside the defense’s 1-yard line, penalty is half the distance to the goal line.
3. The penalty for offensive pass interference is 10 yards from the previous spot.
4. It is pass interference by either team when any player movement beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders the progress of an eligible player of such player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Offensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until the ball is touched. Defensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is thrown until the ball is touched.
   
   Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
   
   (a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiver’s opportunity to make the catch.
   
   (b) Playing through the back of a receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.
   
   © Grabbing a receiver’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass.
   
   (d) Extending an arm across the body of a receiver thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, regardless of whether the defender is playing the ball.
   
   (e) Cutting off the path of a receiver by making contact with him without playing the ball.
   
   (f) Hooking a receiver in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the receiver’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving.
   
   Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:
   
   (a) Incidental contact by a defender’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.
   
   (b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.
   
   © Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players.
   
   (d) Laying a hand on a receiver that does not restrict the receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.
   
   (e) Contact by a defender who has gained position on a receiver in an attempt to catch the ball.
   
   Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
   
   (a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.
   
   (b) Initiating contact with a defender by shoving or pushing off thus creating a separation in an attempt to catch a pass.
   
   © Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.
   
   Actions that do not constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
   
   (a) Incidental contact by a receiver’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball or neither player is looking for the ball.
   
   (b) Inadvertent touching of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.
   
   © Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the ball is clearly uncatchable by involved players.
   
   Note 1: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.
   
   Note 2: Defensive players have as much right to the path of the ball as eligible offensive players.
   
   Note 3: Pass interference for both teams ends when the pass is touched.
   
   Note 4: There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of scrimmage, but defensive actions such as tackling a receiver can still result in a 5-yard penalty for defensive holding, if accepted.
   
   Note 5: Whenever a team presents an apparent punting formation, defensive pass interference is not to be called for action on the end man on the line of scrimmage, or an eligible receiver behind the line of scrimmage who is aligned or in motion more than one yard outside the end man on the line. Defensive holding, such as tackling a receiver, still can be called and result in a 5-yard penalty and automatic first down from the previous spot, if accepted. Offensive pass interference rules still apply.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

tl:dr

so what's your point?

 

[DiStefano]

The only thing that isn't mentioned here is that the home team will always be given the advantage if there is any doubt about oo killed oo.

 

[Breesisdaman]

My point is why do some defenses get away with the bolded on almost every single play? Yet certain offenses seem to get the calls . Why the inconsistency if the rules are clear? What sways the referees to call the call or to just let them play ball? Am I the only one who sees this in NFL games played this season?

 

[lod01]

You could call pass interference on virtually every play in the NFL. Guys are always tugging jerseys on passes. Last week , in one game, the wrs had the hand warmers on. One DB was using it to 'ride along' in the pass route. No flag.

 

[lod01]

My point is why do some defenses get away with the bolded on almost every single play? Yet certain offenses seem to get the calls . Why the inconsistency if the rules are clear? What sways the referees to call the call or to just let them play ball? Am I the only one who sees this in NFL games played this season?

Nope. I see it all day long.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I really don't see the inconsistency you allude to. Some teams have elite QB's that can snap, turn and fire inside 1.3 seconds. That puts pressure on the DB's to do the bolded interference measures. The refs only seem to throw more flags proportionate the ability of the QB to put that quick slant pressure on corners.

 

[biju]

You could call pass interference on virtually every play in the NFL. Guys are always tugging jerseys on passes. Last week , in one game, the wrs had the hand warmers on. One DB was using it to 'ride along' in the pass route. No flag.

This is how the NFL *used* to call pass interference but if you read the rules their is technically no reason why this *must* be PI.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I miss the good ole days when stickum was allowed and DB's were allowed to pummel WR's in mid air. I'm probably not the best judge of this 5 yard rule.

 

[Breesisdaman]

You could call pass interference on virtually every play in the NFL. Guys are always tugging jerseys on passes. Last week , in one game, the wrs had the hand warmers on. One DB was using it to 'ride along' in the pass route. No flag.

Maybe if they started the PI would actually stop. No?

 

[lod01]

You could call pass interference on virtually every play in the NFL. Guys are always tugging jerseys on passes. Last week , in one game, the wrs had the hand warmers on. One DB was using it to 'ride along' in the pass route. No flag.

Maybe if they started the PI would actually stop. No?

One would think.

 

[renesauz]

Hate to say it, but the rules are just garbage to being with. Too much of the onus to avoid contact is on the defender. For example...a very poorly thrown ball requires the WR to dramatically alter his pattern late...by either stopping from a full sprint, or cutting hard to the inside of the field. If a dramatic change of direction of the WR causes a DB who did not (or could not) perform a similar and dramatic change of direction to run into him, there should be no PI because the contact is effectively intitiated by the WR. Players should always be entitled to the direction of motion they have firmly established, with a "right of way" to the offense if both players have established said directon. No more stopping suddenly from a dead sprint to draw a cheap 40 yard PI just because the QB underthrew the ball.

If you watch WR's carefully, they push/hold/grab DBs every bit as much as the DBs do them. The only way to even remotely officiate fairly is to allow the refs the latitude to judge who is intiating or continuing contact. If the WR intiates and never disengages...no PI. This is a penalty that's already called too often.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Hate to say it, but the rules are just garbage to being with. Too much of the onus to avoid contact is on the defender. For example...a very poorly thrown ball requires the WR to dramatically alter his pattern late...by either stopping from a full sprint, or cutting hard to the inside of the field. If a dramatic change of direction of the WR causes a DB who did not (or could not) perform a similar and dramatic change of direction to run into him, there should be no PI because the contact is effectively intitiated by the WR. Players should always be entitled to the direction of motion they have firmly established, with a "right of way" to the offense if both players have established said directon. No more stopping suddenly from a dead sprint to draw a cheap 40 yard PI just because the QB underthrew the ball.

If you watch WR's carefully, they push/hold/grab DBs every bit as much as the DBs do them. The only way to even remotely officiate fairly is to allow the refs the latitude to judge who is intiating or continuing contact. If the WR intiates and never disengages...no PI. This is a penalty that's already called too often.

If the defender was playing the ball and made that contact there would be no flag( i realize there sometimes is, but no refs are perfect). If he isn't playing the ball and just blindly following a wr and runs him over, I dont see a problem with it being PI.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Like the play just now in the Giants game- Victor Cruze gets interfered with and Seattle DB gets the interception. I see that as pass interference, there is all sorts of contact with the receiver before the ball gets there. No flag. I can see a ref missing one like this on occasion sure but if he over looks it the whole game and lets all this physical contact happen when the rules are clear about that, then you need to change the rules and let all the teams play ball like that or start calling it and penalize the teams that break the rules.

 

[spider321]

Brees, if you don't like watching physical contact, I recommend golf for your future viewing pleasure.

You would have hated football before the modern no defense allowed rules.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Brees, if you don't like watching physical contact, I recommend golf for your future viewing pleasure.

You would have hated football before the modern no defense allowed rules.

Is that what I said? That is not what I said at all. There is a time and place for physical contact in sports. You never played ball did you? Its not that I care for any of these rules actually. I love the old game but the playing field needs to be the same for all teams. IF the NFL went back to more contact rules I would love it, they haven't so enforce the calls as they are supposed to be enforced. No team should have an advantage because they shirk the rules on the playing field thats why they have officials.

 

[spider321]

Brees, if you don't like watching physical contact, I recommend golf for your future viewing pleasure.

You would have hated football before the modern no defense allowed rules.

Is that what I said? That is not what I said at all. There is a time and place for physical contact in sports. You never played ball did you? Its not that I care for any of these rules actually. I love the old game but the playing field needs to be the same for all teams.

I'd bet you were the JJ Watt of pee-wee football. I will now cower in fear of your understanding of the game's nuances.

Sorry bro.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Whatever dude, you make no reasonable arguments to my point so move along little doggie