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Disgruntled receiver Crayton requests release (1 Viewer)

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Disgruntled WR Patrick Crayton has requested his release from the Cowboys.

Crayton believes the Cowboys are only keeping him around as the "insurance guy," only to release him after training camp when it's too late to learn another offense. The Cowboys are "messing with people's careers and people's lives," Crayton explained. Owner Jerry Jones said recently that he still values Crayton and will not be releasing him. May. 28 - 2:07 pm et

Source: ESPN.com

 
This is one of those situations where I don't blame Crayton for being unhappy and wanting out, nor do I blame the Cowboys for keeping him around just in case. It's the logical move from both sides. I think the most likely outcome is Crayton will get his release, later in the offseason, and have to scramble to find a home.

 
Disgruntled WR Patrick Crayton has requested his release from the Cowboys.The Cowboys are "messing with people's careers and people's lives," Crayton explained.Source: ESPN.com
:confused: Poor Patrick. Someone forced him to sign that multi-million dollar contract and they had the nerve to ask to him to honor it. Per shame Per shame.Here's an idea Patrick, try being one of the top three receivers on the field during any stretch of your career and perhaps you'll perk up a bit kid-o.
 
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Disgruntled WR Patrick Crayton has requested his release from the Cowboys.

The Cowboys are "messing with people's careers and people's lives," Crayton explained.Source: ESPN.com
:confused: Poor Patrick. Someone forced him to sign that multi-million dollar contract and they had the nerve to ask to him to honor it. Per shame Per shame.Here's an idea Patrick, try being one of the top three receivers on the field during any stretch of your career and perhaps you'll perk up a bit kid-o.
You are assuming he has been given a fair shake and I don't think he has. Also, I'm pretty sure he has been the 2nd or 3rd receiver for the Cowboys for a while now.
 
Not sure where he thinks he's going to go and be any more than a 4th WR?
BuffaloKCOaklandDenverDetroitJacksonvilleTennesseeWashingtonClevelandSan DiegoSan FranciscoSt. LouisI don't think any of these teams couldn't use an upgrade at that spot. Not saying Crayton is definitely an upgrade for all of those teams, but I think he'd get a job pretty quick.Personally, I was disappointed in Crayton last year. I thought he was gonna be the guy to push Roy to the background, and Miles just blew by him. So I am not sure Crayton is any good or not, but he is just in a crowded situation, and I see where he's coming from.
 
Not sure where he thinks he's going to go and be any more than a 4th WR?
BuffaloKCOaklandDenverDetroitJacksonvilleTennesseeWashingtonClevelandSan DiegoSan FranciscoSt. LouisI don't think any of these teams couldn't use an upgrade at that spot. Not saying Crayton is definitely an upgrade for all of those teams, but I think he'd get a job pretty quick.Personally, I was disappointed in Crayton last year. I thought he was gonna be the guy to push Roy to the background, and Miles just blew by him. So I am not sure Crayton is any good or not, but he is just in a crowded situation, and I see where he's coming from.
Crayton would not beat out anyone on TN...
 
Not sure where he thinks he's going to go and be any more than a 4th WR?
BuffaloKCOaklandDenverDetroitJacksonvilleTennesseeWashingtonClevelandSan DiegoSan FranciscoSt. LouisI don't think any of these teams couldn't use an upgrade at that spot. Not saying Crayton is definitely an upgrade for all of those teams, but I think he'd get a job pretty quick.Personally, I was disappointed in Crayton last year. I thought he was gonna be the guy to push Roy to the background, and Miles just blew by him. So I am not sure Crayton is any good or not, but he is just in a crowded situation, and I see where he's coming from.
Crayton would not beat out anyone on TN...
Really, aren't Justin Gage, Patrick Crayton and Nate Washington all versions of the same dog with different fleas?
 
BusterTBronco said:
"messing with peoples lives"

Ha ha ha. I love it. Whadda maroon! Crayton needs to shut his pie hole and be thankful that the Cowboys have given him all the opportunities they have over the years (Lord knows why!)
Yeah... what a "maroon" for wanting to be able to land with a team long enough that he can competently digest the new offense (terminology and all, funny stuff that) and be able to play week 1.Think about it this way

- He gets cut now. He lands on a team in a week. He has essentially 3 months to learn the offense, build a relationship with the QB, etc.

- He gets cut after training camp. He lands on a team in a week. He has essentially 1 week, maybe 2 weeks to learn a new offense, build a relationship with a QB, etc. before the regular season suddenly starts.

That's a major difference, period. And if he's doing his job and has a chance to get released earlier as opposed to later, it's more beneficial for Crayton's CAREER to get released now as opposed to the end of training camp.

These guys are professionals and work at their job. It's a job. He may not be a great receiver for the Cowboys on the field and never cracked the Top 2 wide receiver spots for them but he's still a human with a job here. So he has every right, in this case, to look out for himself first if the Cowboys are going to cut him at the end of TC.

 
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Crayton would not beat out anyone on TN...
Well, that's one team. And you like Justin Gage, Nate Washington and.........whoever a lot more than I do.
Listen pal. Crayton is no different than Gage or Washington... He is nothing special. And the whomever you threw in there are some guys with a ton more talent than Crayton has ever had. Whoever??? I hope you were being sarcastic.
Damian Williams down?
 
These guys are professionals and work at their job. It's a job. He may not be a great receiver for the Cowboys on the field and never cracked the Top 2 wide receiver spots for them but he's still a human with a job here. So he has every right, in this case, to look out for himself first if the Cowboys are going to cut him at the end of TC.
And the Boys have every right to keep him around to cover their bases if someone gets hurt.
 
These guys are professionals and work at their job. It's a job. He may not be a great receiver for the Cowboys on the field and never cracked the Top 2 wide receiver spots for them but he's still a human with a job here. So he has every right, in this case, to look out for himself first if the Cowboys are going to cut him at the end of TC.
And the Boys have every right to keep him around to cover their bases if someone gets hurt.
Exactly. Jerry said he wanted to keep him. And what does Crayton do? Not show up for OTA's and run his trap to the local media. FWIW, Sam Hurd is in the same boat, and he managed to show up. I think this will be an ugly divorce.
 
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No Way Jose said:
Futz said:
JohnnyU said:
Disgruntled WR Patrick Crayton has requested his release from the Cowboys.

The Cowboys are "messing with people's careers and people's lives," Crayton explained.Source: ESPN.com
:confused: Poor Patrick. Someone forced him to sign that multi-million dollar contract and they had the nerve to ask to him to honor it. Per shame Per shame.Here's an idea Patrick, try being one of the top three receivers on the field during any stretch of your career and perhaps you'll perk up a bit kid-o.
You are assuming he has been given a fair shake and I don't think he has. Also, I'm pretty sure he has been the 2nd or 3rd receiver for the Cowboys for a while now.
Gotta disagree with you there. He was the #2 (starter) across from TO in 06, 07 & 08. Last year, he saw more time on the field than other WR not named Miles Austin. The guy has been given every opportunity (in a solid passing offense) and has never stepped up. Big mouth for a guy that is definitely nothing more than a #3 or #4 option is any passing attack.
 
No Way Jose said:
Futz said:
JohnnyU said:
Disgruntled WR Patrick Crayton has requested his release from the Cowboys.

The Cowboys are "messing with people's careers and people's lives," Crayton explained.Source: ESPN.com
:cry: Poor Patrick. Someone forced him to sign that multi-million dollar contract and they had the nerve to ask to him to honor it. Per shame Per shame.Here's an idea Patrick, try being one of the top three receivers on the field during any stretch of your career and perhaps you'll perk up a bit kid-o.
You are assuming he has been given a fair shake and I don't think he has. Also, I'm pretty sure he has been the 2nd or 3rd receiver for the Cowboys for a while now.
Gotta disagree with you there. He was the #2 (starter) across from TO in 06, 07 & 08. Last year, he saw more time on the field than other WR not named Miles Austin. The guy has been given every opportunity (in a solid passing offense) and has never stepped up. Big mouth for a guy that is definitely nothing more than a #3 or #4 option is any passing attack.
You beat me to it but..... :X There's no reason for Crayton to be whining. The reason they keep bringing in WRs (Roy/Dez) is because the guys that have been there simply weren't getting the job done. Plain and simple. Crayton should be happy he's still getting paid because his pedestrian performances are a dime a dozen around the league.
 
No Way Jose said:
Futz said:
JohnnyU said:
Disgruntled WR Patrick Crayton has requested his release from the Cowboys.

The Cowboys are "messing with people's careers and people's lives," Crayton explained.Source: ESPN.com
:lmao: Poor Patrick. Someone forced him to sign that multi-million dollar contract and they had the nerve to ask to him to honor it. Per shame Per shame.Here's an idea Patrick, try being one of the top three receivers on the field during any stretch of your career and perhaps you'll perk up a bit kid-o.
You are assuming he has been given a fair shake and I don't think he has. Also, I'm pretty sure he has been the 2nd or 3rd receiver for the Cowboys for a while now.
Gotta disagree with you there. He was the #2 (starter) across from TO in 06, 07 & 08. Last year, he saw more time on the field than other WR not named Miles Austin. The guy has been given every opportunity (in a solid passing offense) and has never stepped up. Big mouth for a guy that is definitely nothing more than a #3 or #4 option is any passing attack.
You beat me to it but..... :lmao: There's no reason for Crayton to be whining. The reason they keep bringing in WRs (Roy/Dez) is because the guys that have been there simply weren't getting the job done. Plain and simple. Crayton should be happy he's still getting paid because his pedestrian performances are a dime a dozen around the league.
This post by Ridgelake in another thread sums up my thoughts on Crayton pretty well.Is he that great of a receiver? No. But one thing that he does have that is very important is Romo's trust. You look at WHEN his catches occur, and it tells an interesting story.Here is the 2009 Cowboy 3rd down passing data. (Data provided by One Cool Customer on Bloggingtheboys.com)2009,

3rd downsPass Att. Rec. Rec % 1st dwn 1st dwn % EPV/PA Jason Witten 34 24 71% 15 44% 0.26 Miles Austin 31 21 68% 17 55% 0.83 Roy Williams 27 8 30% 7 26% -0.09 Patrick Crayton 22 15 68% 13 59% 0.85

This data shows that Crayton had the highest 3rd down conversion percentage on the team last year. Over twice the conversion rate of Roy Williams.

And here we have Red Zone data2009Crayton Williams Witten Austin Pass Attempts 11 15 6 20 Red zone TDs 4 6 2 3 Red Zone EPV 0.75 0.35 0.26 0.18

What this data is saying is that Crayton provided the most value per play of the Dallas receivers in the Red Zone last year. Are Crayton's overall numbers that special? No. Is he that great? No. But he is a money player for the Cowboys. He delivers big plays. He moves the chains and scores touchdowns. I really fail to get why they don't cut Roy Williams and keep Crayton in the slot where he is just money.

Also, Crayton had just as many catches as Roy with 25 less balls thrown his direction last year.

Crayton is not a #1 but he is a decent Special Teamer and and would improve quite a few teams WR crew....Bills and Cleveland come to mind.

I see no problem with him asking for a trade, he's not getting any younger and he wants to play,

 
JohnnyU said:
TitansFan10 said:
massraider said:
TitansFan10 said:
Crayton would not beat out anyone on TN...
Well, that's one team. And you like Justin Gage, Nate Washington and.........whoever a lot more than I do.
Listen pal. Crayton is no different than Gage or Washington... He is nothing special. And the whomever you threw in there are some guys with a ton more talent than Crayton has ever had. Whoever??? I hope you were being sarcastic.
Damian Williams down?
only if you're considering every NFL season ever played
 
JohnnyU said:
TitansFan10 said:
massraider said:
TitansFan10 said:
Crayton would not beat out anyone on TN...
Well, that's one team. And you like Justin Gage, Nate Washington and.........whoever a lot more than I do.
Listen pal. Crayton is no different than Gage or Washington... He is nothing special. And the whomever you threw in there are some guys with a ton more talent than Crayton has ever had. Whoever??? I hope you were being sarcastic.
Damian Williams down?
only if you're considering every NFL season ever played
I don't think we're on the same page.
 
Those that are piling on Crayton seem to have short memories. I remember when Parcells was running him in the slot and he was hurting defenses. He was never going to be a WR1, but there are a ton of teams he could go to and be their slot WR3 without a doubt.

 
Those that are piling on Crayton seem to have short memories. I remember when Parcells was running him in the slot and he was hurting defenses. He was never going to be a WR1, but there are a ton of teams he could go to and be their slot WR3 without a doubt.
A couple of thing are at play here. 1) people seing him through fantasy eyes and not NFL eyes. he is good WR3 and very good WR4 in the NFL, but as fantasy guy he has rarely been more than bye week flier who is just good enough and has good enough situation not to cut. (Until the drafting of Crabtree).2) The other is personality, Patrick Crayton has always come off he does not realize that he is Patrick Crayton, a guy who has worked hard and been fortunate as a late round draft pick to have a nice NFL career, but is not a special talent. He is like the cute enough girl who acts the truly hot girl. Unfortunatly for him on career/personal level, , he now sees that the Cowboys see him as good, well even great insurance for injuries and such, but don't think that he deserves a fair shot a winning the job as WR2 and really not even WR3. He is probably and can be as productive as Roy Williams, but the reality is that Jerry has too invested in Roy williams and a guy like Kevin Olgetree can probably do Crayton's job if push comes to shove.
 
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Sam Hurd alert.
Ogletree alert.
There is no "alert" here. We are talking about a WR4 slot on a team with two capable pass catching RBs, one of the best TEs in the league, a bonified #1 WR, a #2 who is a 1st round selection in Bryant and a WR3 who was traded for two 1st rounders and will have the owner/GM attempting to jusitfy the move as frequently as possible. Unless Romo tosses 50 TDs, I can't see any WR4 being worth anything in the offense (I really don't think the third best WR will pull more than 50 catches, 600 yards and 5 TDs).
 
Disgruntled WR Patrick Crayton has requested his release from the Cowboys.

The Cowboys are "messing with people's careers and people's lives," Crayton explained.Source: ESPN.com
:thumbup: Poor Patrick. Someone forced him to sign that multi-million dollar contract and they had the nerve to ask to him to honor it. Per shame Per shame.Here's an idea Patrick, try being one of the top three receivers on the field during any stretch of your career and perhaps you'll perk up a bit kid-o.
You are assuming he has been given a fair shake and I don't think he has. Also, I'm pretty sure he has been the 2nd or 3rd receiver for the Cowboys for a while now.
He has had plenty of opportunities and he was given more of a shot than Miles Austin. When given the opportunity one of these players stepped up and the other stepped down.
 
Sweet Love said:
JohnnyU said:
dickey moe said:
Sam Hurd alert.
Ogletree alert.
There is no "alert" here. We are talking about a WR4 slot on a team with two capable pass catching RBs, one of the best TEs in the league, a bonified #1 WR, a #2 who is a 1st round selection in Bryant and a WR3 who was traded for two 1st rounders and will have the owner/GM attempting to jusitfy the move as frequently as possible. Unless Romo tosses 50 TDs, I can't see any WR4 being worth anything in the offense (I really don't think the third best WR will pull more than 50 catches, 600 yards and 5 TDs).
I think the point you are missing is that in order to be good at FF or a game like chess is to be 3-4 moves in front of your opponents. That's why you should be alerted to a status change for depth guys. A #4 WR on a team with a good passing game is one injury away from being very significant fantasy wise. Especially for those in a dynasty league. While your other league mates are saying "who?", you should be taking him off your waiver wire because you already know he has skills before he hits the starting lineup.
 
Sweet Love said:
JohnnyU said:
dickey moe said:
Sam Hurd alert.
Ogletree alert.
There is no "alert" here. We are talking about a WR4 slot on a team with two capable pass catching RBs, one of the best TEs in the league, a bonified #1 WR, a #2 who is a 1st round selection in Bryant and a WR3 who was traded for two 1st rounders and will have the owner/GM attempting to jusitfy the move as frequently as possible. Unless Romo tosses 50 TDs, I can't see any WR4 being worth anything in the offense (I really don't think the third best WR will pull more than 50 catches, 600 yards and 5 TDs).
I think the point you are missing is that in order to be good at FF or a game like chess is to be 3-4 moves in front of your opponents. That's why you should be alerted to a status change for depth guys. A #4 WR on a team with a good passing game is one injury away from being very significant fantasy wise. Especially for those in a dynasty league. While your other league mates are saying "who?", you should be taking him off your waiver wire because you already know he has skills before he hits the starting lineup.
but we are talking about Patrick Crayton! He is starting his 7th season, we know who he is.
 
DawnBTVS said:
Think about it this way- He gets cut now. He lands on a team in a week. He has essentially 3 months to learn the offense, build a relationship with the QB, etc.- He gets cut after training camp. He lands on a team in a week. He has essentially 1 week, maybe 2 weeks to learn a new offense, build a relationship with a QB, etc. before the regular season suddenly starts.
was there some other way to think about it?
 
Sweet Love said:
JohnnyU said:
dickey moe said:
Sam Hurd alert.
Ogletree alert.
There is no "alert" here. We are talking about a WR4 slot on a team with two capable pass catching RBs, one of the best TEs in the league, a bonified #1 WR, a #2 who is a 1st round selection in Bryant and a WR3 who was traded for two 1st rounders and will have the owner/GM attempting to jusitfy the move as frequently as possible. Unless Romo tosses 50 TDs, I can't see any WR4 being worth anything in the offense (I really don't think the third best WR will pull more than 50 catches, 600 yards and 5 TDs).
I think the point you are missing is that in order to be good at FF or a game like chess is to be 3-4 moves in front of your opponents. That's why you should be alerted to a status change for depth guys. A #4 WR on a team with a good passing game is one injury away from being very significant fantasy wise. Especially for those in a dynasty league. While your other league mates are saying "who?", you should be taking him off your waiver wire because you already know he has skills before he hits the starting lineup.
Austin, Bryant, Williams, Crayton, Witten, Bennett, Jones, Barber. Top receiving targets for DAL this year, in some order, right?That's a lotta moves ahead.
 
Sweet Love said:
JohnnyU said:
dickey moe said:
Sam Hurd alert.
Ogletree alert.
There is no "alert" here. We are talking about a WR4 slot on a team with two capable pass catching RBs, one of the best TEs in the league, a bonified #1 WR, a #2 who is a 1st round selection in Bryant and a WR3 who was traded for two 1st rounders and will have the owner/GM attempting to jusitfy the move as frequently as possible. Unless Romo tosses 50 TDs, I can't see any WR4 being worth anything in the offense (I really don't think the third best WR will pull more than 50 catches, 600 yards and 5 TDs).
Injuries Sweet Love, injuries, injuries, injuries.
 
DawnBTVS said:
Think about it this way

- He gets cut now. He lands on a team in a week. He has essentially 3 months to learn the offense, build a relationship with the QB, etc.

- He gets cut after training camp. He lands on a team in a week. He has essentially 1 week, maybe 2 weeks to learn a new offense, build a relationship with a QB, etc. before the regular season suddenly starts.
was there some other way to think about it?
Not really but it seems (to me) that most people ignore the player's side of these kind of situations and only focus on the FF aspect. The numerous posts talking about his role as WR4 vs. WR3 if an injury occurs is evidence enough of this without taking into account if (highly unlikely) he suddenly got cut, what that would mean for him in the future real life and FF impact wise.In just the above two situations, he'd likely be a better FF option if the first event happens. There's also the other options of him being kept, sticking at WR4 or WR3, moving up if an injury occurs, etc.

 
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the reason I asked that question was that the op consisted of a blurb title and a total of two additional lines of blurb story, one of which you simply repeated.

if people were going to think about it that way, I'm pretty sure they would already be doing so after the first post in the thread.

Disgruntled WR Patrick Crayton has requested his release from the Cowboys.

Crayton believes the Cowboys are only keeping him around as the "insurance guy," only to release him after training camp when it's too late to learn another offense. The Cowboys are "messing with people's careers and people's lives," Crayton explained. Owner Jerry Jones said recently that he still values Crayton and will not be releasing him.
I'd imagine we all understand what "only to release him after training camp when it's too late to learn another offense." means.
 
Sweet Love said:
JohnnyU said:
dickey moe said:
Sam Hurd alert.
Ogletree alert.
There is no "alert" here. We are talking about a WR4 slot on a team with two capable pass catching RBs, one of the best TEs in the league, a bonified #1 WR, a #2 who is a 1st round selection in Bryant and a WR3 who was traded for two 1st rounders and will have the owner/GM attempting to jusitfy the move as frequently as possible. Unless Romo tosses 50 TDs, I can't see any WR4 being worth anything in the offense (I really don't think the third best WR will pull more than 50 catches, 600 yards and 5 TDs).
I think the point you are missing is that in order to be good at FF or a game like chess is to be 3-4 moves in front of your opponents. That's why you should be alerted to a status change for depth guys. A #4 WR on a team with a good passing game is one injury away from being very significant fantasy wise. Especially for those in a dynasty league. While your other league mates are saying "who?", you should be taking him off your waiver wire because you already know he has skills before he hits the starting lineup.
but we are talking about Patrick Crayton! He is starting his 7th season, we know who he is.
I was talking about Sam Hurd or even Ogletree.
 
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You know, I think teams underestimate what their reputations in dealing with players do to their future negotiations.

I think given that Hurd runs back kicks and Ogletree is promising, there is less than a 5% chance Crayton is on their roster for game 1 of regular season.

If he is going to get cut, show some loyalty to someone who has played hard for you and help him along to the next destination.

Yes, it is a business. But anyone who thinks reputation doesn't matter in business is a fool who should hang out with Al Davis when he tries to recruit quality coaches.

 
Disgruntled WR Patrick Crayton has requested his release from the Cowboys.

The Cowboys are "messing with people's careers and people's lives," Crayton explained.Source: ESPN.com
:shrug: Poor Patrick. Someone forced him to sign that multi-million dollar contract and they had the nerve to ask to him to honor it. Per shame Per shame.Here's an idea Patrick, try being one of the top three receivers on the field during any stretch of your career and perhaps you'll perk up a bit kid-o.
You are assuming he has been given a fair shake and I don't think he has. Also, I'm pretty sure he has been the 2nd or 3rd receiver for the Cowboys for a while now.
He has had plenty of opportunities and he was given more of a shot than Miles Austin. When given the opportunity one of these players stepped up and the other stepped down.
This tells me more about Austin than it tells me about Crayton.
 
Another thing I don't think people realize since he's only played 6 seasons, is that he is 31 years old. Came into the league at 25.

No team is going to invest anything into a 31 year old WR who's best season was 50/697/7, in 07. Crayton has 0 upside.

 
I don't think Crayton was out of line at all requesting his release. He has been a solid player for them and if he doesn't fit in to the Cowboys long term plans, it isn't a bad idea to tell the team, "If you don't have use for me, let me go somewhere else." Doesn't mean they'll cut him loose, obviously.

 
BusterTBronco said:
I presume that the Dez Bryant injury eliminates any chance that the Cowboys will release Crayton. Not a great situation for Crayton since Bryant will only be out 4-6 weeks.
I think a guaranteed salary in 2010 on a contender where he knows the system is a pretty great situation for Crayton. I can't imagine he'd walk into anything that good, and if he somehow did he wouldn't know the O well enough to be as effective as he would be for Dallas.However effective that is.
 
Without reading a single reply to this thread, all I have to say is......

who cares what Patrick Crayton wants?

 
Sam Hurd alert.
Ogletree alert.
There is no "alert" here. We are talking about a WR4 slot on a team with two capable pass catching RBs, one of the best TEs in the league, a bonified #1 WR, a #2 who is a 1st round selection in Bryant and a WR3 who was traded for two 1st rounders and will have the owner/GM attempting to jusitfy the move as frequently as possible. Unless Romo tosses 50 TDs, I can't see any WR4 being worth anything in the offense (I really don't think the third best WR will pull more than 50 catches, 600 yards and 5 TDs).
Sounds to me like Crayton's the one getting bonified.
 

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