Dissension in the ranks (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

Minus points to Jones for being a punk and taking this public.

What should Jones have said when asked what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch?

"As a team we didn't get it done down the stretch"Funny how we didn't hear any critism from the Jets about Favre when they were 8-3.

I would think you would say a teammate stinks when he stinks, not when he doesn't stink. But that's just me.

That is because you have never liked Favre. In case you haven't noticed there seems to be an unwritten rule that teammates don't call each other out.

He didn't call him out. Someone asked him what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch. Would you like him to say I thought Favre did a great job on about half of his passes and tried really hard on the other half?Favre stunk. He knows it. Jones knows it. Everyone knows it. Favre is and will always be the first to take responsibility and say he'd old and he stunk (I think he opens every press conference stating his age). It's not exactly a secret.

Hey good buddy,I've said already that it took balls for Thomas Jones to say that publicly, no question. However, that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. In fact, I would say it was very much the wrong thing to do unless Jones was 100% sure that he and/or Favre weren't going to be with the Jets in 2009. It was bad form IMHO, regardless of whether the comment was accurate or not.

Jones is no the only one calling out Favre, Kerry Rohdes has already stated that if Brett comes back he needs to be more part of the team and put the time in that the rest of the team does. Give these two guys credit for not being the unnamed teammate.For throwing a teammate under the bus, it seems like Favre wasn't much of a teammate so why would these guys guard him? Teammates are critical of each other when the team falls apart and the players at the center of it do not stand up and be accountable for their poor performance.

You think everyone on Dallas likes TO? Do you think everyone sided with Chad Johnson every time he had a tirade? Do you think the 49ers all loved Jerry Rice at the end of his career? You handle things in house. If you don't like a guy, or are critical of his play...awesome, sound off. IN YOUR LOCKER ROOM. In today's media frenzied world especially, you have to be careful about EVERYTHING you say. Just shows a lack of maturity and nuance from both those guys IMHO.

 

[Jeremy]

I guess it makes sense now when TT and MM said they wanted to "protect Favre's legacy". Please retire Brett!

At the time, while I agreed with their stance on Favre, I thought that was a strange statement. Even if Favre played lousy with another team, it wouldn't have hurt his legacy that much. He wouldn't be the first great to look bad near the end of his career. What's going to kill his legacy is his behavior after he decided to unretire. He now comes off as a selfish primadonna who doesn't play well with others. He's drawn comparisons to T.O. Had he just stayed retired, he'd have been royalty in WI for the rest of his days. They could have gone ahead with their marketing plans for after he retired and he'd have been a Packer legend forevermore. I'm not sure that's salvagable anymore, and it's really sad.

 

[hauser42]

Minus points to Jones for being a punk and taking this public.

What should Jones have said when asked what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch?

"As a team we didn't get it done down the stretch"Funny how we didn't hear any critism from the Jets about Favre when they were 8-3.

I would think you would say a teammate stinks when he stinks, not when he doesn't stink. But that's just me.

That is because you have never liked Favre. In case you haven't noticed there seems to be an unwritten rule that teammates don't call each other out.

He didn't call him out. Someone asked him what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch. Would you like him to say I thought Favre did a great job on about half of his passes and tried really hard on the other half?Favre stunk. He knows it. Jones knows it. Everyone knows it. Favre is and will always be the first to take responsibility and say he'd old and he stunk (I think he opens every press conference stating his age). It's not exactly a secret.

Hey good buddy,I've said already that it took balls for Thomas Jones to say that publicly, no question. However, that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. In fact, I would say it was very much the wrong thing to do unless Jones was 100% sure that he and/or Favre weren't going to be with the Jets in 2009. It was bad form IMHO, regardless of whether the comment was accurate or not.

Jones is no the only one calling out Favre, Kerry Rohdes has already stated that if Brett comes back he needs to be more part of the team and put the time in that the rest of the team does. Give these two guys credit for not being the unnamed teammate.For throwing a teammate under the bus, it seems like Favre wasn't much of a teammate so why would these guys guard him? Teammates are critical of each other when the team falls apart and the players at the center of it do not stand up and be accountable for their poor performance.

They are throwing Favre under the bus and it's something that isn't done in sports. The anti-Favre crowd didn't want to give him any credit for the Jets going 8-3 but now it is Favre's fault they didn't make the playoffs.

It is done just not a lot. A certain WR called out McNabb when he was not performing. In the early 90s the great Eagels D called out the offense for not putting enough pts on the board for them to win games. Those two are off the top of my head and I know there is more if I think about it.

 

[JamesTheScot]

It deserves to be discussed without all of the Rodgers vs. Favre nonsense being too much of the discussion.

Whining deserves to be discussed?Blame the right people Thomas like those who repeatedly called passing plays on 3rd and 1.

Wow, I remember how Manigini was taking heat early in the season because he wasn't letting Favre have enough opportunities. Now he takes heat because he let him?Why is it so hard to pass on 3rd&1? The D has to respect the threat of the short yardage run like they would on the goal line but doesn't have the benefit of the back of the endzone acting as a 12th defender to compress and crowd the WR's routes. You have a HOF QB who can audible into a favorable play based upon his diagnosis of the defensive formation. That down and distance presents a conundrum for the Defense and can be a huge opportunity for the Offense. Converting a first down through the air on 3rd&1 should be much easier than doing so on 3rd and long!If you fault Mangini, fault him for thinking he had a QB that was capable of pulling off those conversions. Of course, better than half of the Shark Pool still thought Favre could as well...at least up until the meltdown. Favre was not being asked to do anything herculean.All that said, Jones should not have gone public with those thoughts. Bad move....Of course, Jones and Rhodes may understand how bad it is to do what they've done but think things are desperate enough that this tactic may be necessary. If that's the case, think about how bad they must really want Favre gone! I don't remember Montana being fragged like this in Kansas City.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

It would do many athletes well to understand it is not in their job description to speak to the performance of their team mates.

Were I an agent i would train my buffoon, er client to memorize the following:

Thank you for your interest in me, this team, and my opinions. I am pleased to speak to you about my efforts, performance and production, or lack thereof. I always want to be acccountable to the press and the fans, without whom I would not enjoy nearly so privelged a life. I will speak about myself as freely and candidly as I can, but as for my team mates, those proud and good men are professionals and fully able to speak for themselves. If you want to know about them go to them directly, or ask their boss, the coach or the owners. Being responsible for myself is a full time job.

 

[NoFBinLA]

When TJ has a bad year in 2009, I want him to call a press conference and tell all of us how much he stinks.

Is the offensive line going away? Because that's a large portion of the reason Jones got the yards and TDs he did this year.I think you can't assume that subtracting Favre will kill TJ's 2009. That's just silly.Now, no Favre, Oline woes, a new coach, more Washington - all those could build to a worse 2009 than 2008. But Favre won't do it alone. You're overvaluing his impact tremendously, as is Stink. There was far more to Jones' success this year than Favre - Brett is just the most obvious change.But that Oline deserves more of the credit, frankly.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Had Favre played in a bigger media market that had exposed his character flaws rather than cover up for him he would have been much less beloved all these years. As it is, his yearly indecision about retirement made many a fan around the country grow tired of his act. There was definitely some depth to the statement made by the Packers about protecting his legacy. They knew full well that he was at risk for this kind of backlash in a different market where he wasn't held up as a god.

The way media members in Wisconsin talk off the record, it sounds as though if the general public knew just the half of the dirt there is on Favre, Packers fans would have been unanimous in their argreement to push Favre out this past year. For whatever reason the media in Wisconsin sits on a lot of stories when it comes to off the field stuff with athletes, coaches, and front office execs.

 

[Jason Wood]

It would do many athletes well to understand it is not in their job description to speak to the performance of their team mates. Were I an agent i would train my buffoon, er client to memorize the following:Thank you for your interest in me, this team, and my opinions. I am pleased to speak to you about my efforts, performance and production, or lack thereof. I always want to be acccountable to the press and the fans, without whom I would not enjoy nearly so privelged a life. I will speak about myself as freely and candidly as I can, but as for my team mates, those proud and good men are professionals and fully able to speak for themselves. If you want to know about them go to them directly, or ask their boss, the coach or the owners. Being responsible for myself is a full time job.

As I tell my sons all the time...Praise Others, Blame Yourself

 

[hauser42]

Had Favre played in a bigger media market that had exposed his character flaws rather than cover up for him he would have been much less beloved all these years. As it is, his yearly indecision about retirement made many a fan around the country grow tired of his act. There was definitely some depth to the statement made by the Packers about protecting his legacy. They knew full well that he was at risk for this kind of backlash in a different market where he wasn't held up as a god.The way media members in Wisconsin talk off the record, it sounds as though if the general public knew just the half of the dirt there is on Favre, Packers fans would have been unanimous in their argreement to push Favre out this past year. For whatever reason the media in Wisconsin sits on a lot of stories when it comes to off the field stuff with athletes, coaches, and front office execs.

Could not agree more. Once Favre became an All-Pro no dirt was going to come out on him. He was aligned with some of the reporters that covered the team and they would not call out the cash cow they had. Chris Havel still backs Favre to this day and after writing couple of books with Brett there is no way he would call him ou to this day. Thank God the GB Press Gazette fired the hack, because he was stealing money while on the pay roll. Now he can only ramble his lack of knowledge on the radio for a couple of hours.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

The amount of criticism, the daily appearance of multiple stories negative towards Favre, and the willingness of teammates to publicly bash the guy should speak volumes about how Favre was regarded in NY.

Oh, and going back to the he said, she said between the Packers and Favre in August...anyone still believing Favre's side of the story?

 

[Irish]

Guy has 224 yards [3.9 per carry] over the last month of the season; not exactly playing up to the way he had in the first three months; much in the same vein as the guy he's criticizing.

Thomas Jones was as bad as Farve in those games? I don't think so.

As bad? No, but was he good either? Nope. Either way, I find it ironic that Jones would be the one throwing players under the bus. Do we need to go through his career and how many times he's failed to play like a big-time back?

Anyone want to discuss the pass protection? The play calling? The defensive pass rush?

I don't want to come off like I'm defending Favre. I think, like many elite veterans nearing their end, we've seen indications for a few years that Favre is VERY VERY selfish. I'm not trying to make a value judgment, just saying that I think he's shown a propensity to think selfishly before [don't we all at times?].

The fact Jets fans and the brass are now playing the "Favre didn't deliver" card just rings really hollow. What did they expect? Did they not see this as a potential outcome? Take an aging Hall of Famer with a long history for making mistakes when he's trying to carry the team. Throw him into a new situation with no prep time. Make him learn a new offense while hyping him as the savior of the franchise. All the while the team was considered a sub-500 team up until the day they made the acquisition. And now, with a rather normal Favre-like bad 4-game stretch that leads IN PART to a 9-7 finish, and he was the guy to blame?

Not buying it.

Favre had more than just a bad 4 game stretch. Jets last 12 games he threw for 10 Tds and 18 Int. That is more than a bad stretch, that is a bad 3/4 of a season.

 

[Fragis Frodum]

Had Favre played in a bigger media market that had exposed his character flaws rather than cover up for him he would have been much less beloved all these years. As it is, his yearly indecision about retirement made many a fan around the country grow tired of his act. There was definitely some depth to the statement made by the Packers about protecting his legacy. They knew full well that he was at risk for this kind of backlash in a different market where he wasn't held up as a god.

The way media members in Wisconsin talk off the record, it sounds as though if the general public knew just the half of the dirt there is on Favre, Packers fans would have been unanimous in their argreement to push Favre out this past year. For whatever reason the media in Wisconsin sits on a lot of stories when it comes to off the field stuff with athletes, coaches, and front office execs.

The "good 'ol boy" persona that was pushed for so many years is a bunch of crap, IMO. Favre is the epitome of the spoiled and egotistical athlete....

 

[Stinger Ray]

The amount of criticism, the daily appearance of multiple stories negative towards Favre, and the willingness of teammates to publicly bash the guy should speak volumes about how Favre was regarded in NY.Oh, and going back to the he said, she said between the Packers and Favre in August...anyone still believing Favre's side of the story?

I do and have no problems admitting it. Now the Favre bashers can pile on.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Guy has 224 yards [3.9 per carry] over the last month of the season; not exactly playing up to the way he had in the first three months; much in the same vein as the guy he's criticizing.

Thomas Jones was as bad as Farve in those games? I don't think so.

As bad? No, but was he good either? Nope. Either way, I find it ironic that Jones would be the one throwing players under the bus. Do we need to go through his career and how many times he's failed to play like a big-time back?

Anyone want to discuss the pass protection? The play calling? The defensive pass rush?

I don't want to come off like I'm defending Favre. I think, like many elite veterans nearing their end, we've seen indications for a few years that Favre is VERY VERY selfish. I'm not trying to make a value judgment, just saying that I think he's shown a propensity to think selfishly before [don't we all at times?].

The fact Jets fans and the brass are now playing the "Favre didn't deliver" card just rings really hollow. What did they expect? Did they not see this as a potential outcome? Take an aging Hall of Famer with a long history for making mistakes when he's trying to carry the team. Throw him into a new situation with no prep time. Make him learn a new offense while hyping him as the savior of the franchise. All the while the team was considered a sub-500 team up until the day they made the acquisition. And now, with a rather normal Favre-like bad 4-game stretch that leads IN PART to a 9-7 finish, and he was the guy to blame?

Not buying it.

Favre had more than just a bad 4 game stretch. Jets last 12 games he threw for 10 Tds and 18 Int. That is more than a bad stretch, that is a bad 3/4 of a season.

The Jets were 8-3 after 11 games.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Had Favre played in a bigger media market that had exposed his character flaws rather than cover up for him he would have been much less beloved all these years. As it is, his yearly indecision about retirement made many a fan around the country grow tired of his act. There was definitely some depth to the statement made by the Packers about protecting his legacy. They knew full well that he was at risk for this kind of backlash in a different market where he wasn't held up as a god.The way media members in Wisconsin talk off the record, it sounds as though if the general public knew just the half of the dirt there is on Favre, Packers fans would have been unanimous in their argreement to push Favre out this past year. For whatever reason the media in Wisconsin sits on a lot of stories when it comes to off the field stuff with athletes, coaches, and front office execs.

What matters to Packer fans is the excitement and joy he brought to Green Bay for all those years. The Packers were nothing in the 70's and 80's. Favre helped get the Packers back to the Super Bowl and will be remembered as one of the best QBs to play the game. He played with passion and gave EVERYTHING he had while on the field. They will remember his battle with pain killers and how he cleaned up after that. They will remember how lucky they were to have had a player like Favre as their QB for so many years. The bashers can pile on all they want about his character flaws. I will remember how awesome it was to watch him play for the Packers.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

The amount of criticism, the daily appearance of multiple stories negative towards Favre, and the willingness of teammates to publicly bash the guy should speak volumes about how Favre was regarded in NY.Oh, and going back to the he said, she said between the Packers and Favre in August...anyone still believing Favre's side of the story?

Did Jones accuse Favre of being a liar?

 

[JohnnyU]

When TJ has a bad year in 2009, I want him to call a press conference and tell all of us how much he stinks.

Is the offensive line going away? Because that's a large portion of the reason Jones got the yards and TDs he did this year.I think you can't assume that subtracting Favre will kill TJ's 2009. That's just silly.Now, no Favre, Oline woes, a new coach, more Washington - all those could build to a worse 2009 than 2008. But Favre won't do it alone. You're overvaluing his impact tremendously, as is Stink. There was far more to Jones' success this year than Favre - Brett is just the most obvious change.But that Oline deserves more of the credit, frankly.

I never said that he would stink as a result of Favre not being there. After all, he will be 31 before the season starts in 2009, and I'm guessing the new coach may just see the value of Leon Washington. My comments were more in line of, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.. TJ has had his share o9f mediocrity in the past, and no doubt will again soon.

 

[massraider]

Jones was on ESPN this morning (phone call):

1. This interview was on a hip-hop station, Hot 97.

2. He was asked about Favre, and his answer was harmless.

3. The next question had to do with a player performing badly, in a general sense, and THAT answer was the one that was attributed to Favre. Jones was speaking about ANY player, in the abstract.

4. Jones said he had no problems with Favre, liked the guy, and didn't know anything about Favre being distant.

5. The dingbat for ESPN ignored the fact that her network had been pimping this misquote relentlessly for two days, and pressed Jones for his opinion about Favre's performance last week. Jones was diplomatic with his answers, as a good teammate should be.

It's really a shame that this part of the story, the correction, the TRUTH, will be ignored. No sizzle. I'm not a Jets fan, I have no dog in this hunt, but if I was, I'd be pissed. ESPN should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

It would do many athletes well to understand it is not in their job description to speak to the performance of their team mates.

Were I an agent i would train my buffoon, er client to memorize the following:

Thank you for your interest in me, this team, and my opinions. I am pleased to speak to you about my efforts, performance and production, or lack thereof. I always want to be acccountable to the press and the fans, without whom I would not enjoy nearly so privelged a life. I will speak about myself as freely and candidly as I can, but as for my team mates, those proud and good men are professionals and fully able to speak for themselves. If you want to know about them go to them directly, or ask their boss, the coach or the owners. Being responsible for myself is a full time job.

Please pass this along to Drew Rosenhaus and any other agent you can think of. TIA.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Minus points to Jones for being a punk and taking this public.

What should Jones have said when asked what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch?

"As a team we didn't get it done down the stretch"Funny how we didn't hear any critism from the Jets about Favre when they were 8-3.

I would think you would say a teammate stinks when he stinks, not when he doesn't stink. But that's just me.

That is because you have never liked Favre. In case you haven't noticed there seems to be an unwritten rule that teammates don't call each other out.

And THAT is the point......

It doesn't really seem like Favre was a Teammate.

Hey, I was all for the roll of the dice with Favre - I thought the Jets at 4-12 last year had no chance to compete for a SB - so, I said WTH, rol the dice with Favre.....

It was fun and all for a while but, this team needs to Teammate at QB next year - favre wil have to do some groveling and a great sales pitch to get that shot again....

I say Kudos to any Jets player who calls out a guy who is NOT truly a Teammate and who wants to go to battle next year with a guy who is with them 100%.

Why didn't Jones whine about Favre when the Jets were 8-3?

1) Because Favre wasn't losing games by turning the ball over.2) Players don't focus on negative play, especially to the press, when they are winning.

When Favre's play started costing the team W's, people stopped thinking his reckless gunslinging was cute. Seems pretty obvious to me. Is there some less obvious theory you're driving at?

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Minus points to Jones for being a punk and taking this public.

What should Jones have said when asked what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch?

"As a team we didn't get it done down the stretch"Funny how we didn't hear any critism from the Jets about Favre when they were 8-3.

I would think you would say a teammate stinks when he stinks, not when he doesn't stink. But that's just me.

That is because you have never liked Favre. In case you haven't noticed there seems to be an unwritten rule that teammates don't call each other out.

And THAT is the point......

It doesn't really seem like Favre was a Teammate.

Hey, I was all for the roll of the dice with Favre - I thought the Jets at 4-12 last year had no chance to compete for a SB - so, I said WTH, rol the dice with Favre.....

It was fun and all for a while but, this team needs to Teammate at QB next year - favre wil have to do some groveling and a great sales pitch to get that shot again....

I say Kudos to any Jets player who calls out a guy who is NOT truly a Teammate and who wants to go to battle next year with a guy who is with them 100%.

Why didn't Jones whine about Favre when the Jets were 8-3?

1) Because Favre wasn't losing games by turning the ball over.2) Players don't focus on negative play, especially to the press, when they are winning.

When Favre's play started costing the team W's, people stopped thinking his reckless gunslinging was cute. Seems pretty obvious to me. Is there some less obvious theory you're driving at?

I didn't hear the Jets players whining that Favre wasn't hanging out with them when they were 8-3 and now it appears the Jones didn't think that Favre was "distant". Seems to me that a lot of people are using this as a reason to pile on Favre. So you think it was all Favre's fault the Jets lost those games? Your bolded comment seems to point that way.

 

[massraider]

Jones was on ESPN this morning (phone call):

1. This interview was on a hip-hop station, Hot 97.

2. He was asked about Favre, and his answer was harmless.

3. The next question had to do with a player performing badly, in a general sense, and THAT answer was the one that was attributed to Favre. Jones was speaking about ANY player, in the abstract.

4. Jones said he had no problems with Favre, liked the guy, and didn't know anything about Favre being distant.

5. The dingbat for ESPN ignored the fact that her network had been pimping this misquote relentlessly for two days, and pressed Jones for his opinion about Favre's performance last week. Jones was diplomatic with his answers, as a good teammate should be.

It's really a shame that this part of the story, the correction, the TRUTH, will be ignored. No sizzle. I'm not a Jets fan, I have no dog in this hunt, but if I was, I'd be pissed. ESPN should be ashamed of themselves.

.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

What matters to Packer fans is the excitement and joy he brought to Green Bay for all those years. The Packers were nothing in the 70's and 80's. Favre helped get the Packers back to the Super Bowl and will be remembered as one of the best QBs to play the game. He played with passion and gave EVERYTHING he had while on the field. They will remember his battle with pain killers and how he cleaned up after that. They will remember how lucky they were to have had a player like Favre as their QB for so many years. The bashers can pile on all they want about his character flaws. I will remember how awesome it was to watch him play for the Packers.

I guess that's what made me a little different form most Packers fans. I always revered the team far more than the player. I lived and died with the Mark Murphys and Lynn Dickeys, and watched every second of every Sunday in the 80's with every bit as much enthusiasm as in the 90's. When Favre came along and the team's fortunes turned positive along with him, I viewed him as an invaluable piece. But I never felt the urge to go out and buy a #4 jersey. Sure I knew he was the most irreplaceable part, but I also knew they couldn't win with him alone. He needed Reggie White, he needed a running game, he needed WRs and TEs. He needed a dominant defense. Sure, I gasped any time he went down, with the thought in my mind that the season could be over. But I flet the same way when Robert Brooks blew out his knee in '96. Likewise when Reggie White appeared lost with a torn hamstring. I was hoping somehow Reggie would have 5 more good seasons left in him. And I was hoping Favre could be effective well into his 40's. But the moment I realized that Favre thought he was above the Packers, that's the moment I wanted the Packers to establish a new identity without him.Players come and go. The team redifines itself and churns out new greats. No player, not even Favre, will ever be more important than the next crop of players given the task of carrying on the great tradition. That's why when a legend thinks he should be handed over one more season for whatever selfish reasons, without any consideration of a younger player with a much brighter future holding the potential to provide a decades worth of great memories, you simply have to move on. It's not that it would have been wrong to allow Favre to come back for one more season. It's that it would have been wrong to allow it after that same legend pulled a last-minute hijack on the franchise and acted as though there's no possible way the young replacement could carry his jock. Favre thought the team should just bend over, drop to it's knees, polish off his nameplate, and treat the hard work put in all offseason by his teammates as though there's no way it could be as important as the simple presence of #4.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

What matters to Packer fans is the excitement and joy he brought to Green Bay for all those years. The Packers were nothing in the 70's and 80's. Favre helped get the Packers back to the Super Bowl and will be remembered as one of the best QBs to play the game. He played with passion and gave EVERYTHING he had while on the field. They will remember his battle with pain killers and how he cleaned up after that. They will remember how lucky they were to have had a player like Favre as their QB for so many years. The bashers can pile on all they want about his character flaws. I will remember how awesome it was to watch him play for the Packers.

Players come and go. The team redifines itself and churns out new greats.

Good point....players come and go and the Packers will probably never have another QB like Brett Favre. That is what the majority of fans will remember and be thankful for. I know some fans have issues with their perception of how Favre left and will focus on that. I also know fans that were angry with Favre but have moved on and they are thankful as well for all those great years of watching Favre play as a Packer.

 

[RockHard]

It would do many athletes well to understand it is not in their job description to speak to the performance of their team mates.

Is it ok to talk about teamates contracts?

 

[JamesTheScot]

Minus points to Jones for being a punk and taking this public.

What should Jones have said when asked what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch?

"As a team we didn't get it done down the stretch"Funny how we didn't hear any critism from the Jets about Favre when they were 8-3.

I would think you would say a teammate stinks when he stinks, not when he doesn't stink. But that's just me.

That is because you have never liked Favre. In case you haven't noticed there seems to be an unwritten rule that teammates don't call each other out.

And THAT is the point......

It doesn't really seem like Favre was a Teammate.

Hey, I was all for the roll of the dice with Favre - I thought the Jets at 4-12 last year had no chance to compete for a SB - so, I said WTH, rol the dice with Favre.....

It was fun and all for a while but, this team needs to Teammate at QB next year - favre wil have to do some groveling and a great sales pitch to get that shot again....

I say Kudos to any Jets player who calls out a guy who is NOT truly a Teammate and who wants to go to battle next year with a guy who is with them 100%.

Why didn't Jones whine about Favre when the Jets were 8-3?

1) Because Favre wasn't losing games by turning the ball over.2) Players don't focus on negative play, especially to the press, when they are winning.

When Favre's play started costing the team W's, people stopped thinking his reckless gunslinging was cute. Seems pretty obvious to me. Is there some less obvious theory you're driving at?

I didn't hear the Jets players whining that Favre wasn't hanging out with them when they were 8-3.

They aren't complaining that he wasn't going to strip clubs with them or wasn't coming over on Saturday evening for cigars, BBQ and poker. They're complaining that he wasn't giving 100% to put his best play on the field. Don't think that the team has hurt feelings that Favre didn't look at all the baby pictures in their wallets. It's all about winning. Hence the turn around when the team stopped being 8-3. As long as your winning, you get a pass. But when you stop winning...the things you do wrong are going to get attention...especially when you're doing them more often and they are clearly sinking your team.Fault Jones for going public or for pointing fingers at someone else. But you can't fault Jones for the content of what he said. Favre doesn't prepare like he nused to, he doesn't want to, he perhaps thinks he doesn't have to, and he apparently isn't motivated enough to change that. The same thing was said about him in GB for a few seasons, but just like in NY, it was kinda ignored when he was stringing some W's together in 2007.

People usually don't ##### when they are winning, even if they have cause to. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Minus points to Jones for being a punk and taking this public.

What should Jones have said when asked what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch?

"As a team we didn't get it done down the stretch"Funny how we didn't hear any critism from the Jets about Favre when they were 8-3.

I would think you would say a teammate stinks when he stinks, not when he doesn't stink. But that's just me.

That is because you have never liked Favre. In case you haven't noticed there seems to be an unwritten rule that teammates don't call each other out.

And THAT is the point......

It doesn't really seem like Favre was a Teammate.

Hey, I was all for the roll of the dice with Favre - I thought the Jets at 4-12 last year had no chance to compete for a SB - so, I said WTH, rol the dice with Favre.....

It was fun and all for a while but, this team needs to Teammate at QB next year - favre wil have to do some groveling and a great sales pitch to get that shot again....

I say Kudos to any Jets player who calls out a guy who is NOT truly a Teammate and who wants to go to battle next year with a guy who is with them 100%.

Why didn't Jones whine about Favre when the Jets were 8-3?

1) Because Favre wasn't losing games by turning the ball over.2) Players don't focus on negative play, especially to the press, when they are winning.

When Favre's play started costing the team W's, people stopped thinking his reckless gunslinging was cute. Seems pretty obvious to me. Is there some less obvious theory you're driving at?

I didn't hear the Jets players whining that Favre wasn't hanging out with them when they were 8-3.

They aren't complaining that he wasn't going to strip clubs with them or wasn't coming over on Saturday evening for cigars, BBQ and poker. They're complaining that he wasn't giving 100% to put his best play on the field. Don't think that the team has hurt feelings that Favre didn't look at all the baby pictures in their wallets. It's all about winning. Hence the turn around when the team stopped being 8-3. As long as your winning, you get a pass. But when you stop winning...the things you do wrong are going to get attention...especially when you're doing them more often and they are clearly sinking your team.Fault Jones for going public or for pointing fingers at someone else. But you can't fault Jones for the content of what he said. Favre doesn't prepare like he nused to, he doesn't want to, he perhaps thinks he doesn't have to, and he apparently isn't motivated enough to change that. The same thing was said about him in GB for a few seasons, but just like in NY, it was kinda ignored when he was stringing some W's together in 2007.

People usually don't ##### when they are winning, even if they have cause to. Why is that so hard to understand?

Jones was on ESPN this morning (phone call):1. This interview was on a hip-hop station, Hot 97.

2. He was asked about Favre, and his answer was harmless.

3. The next question had to do with a player performing badly, in a general sense, and THAT answer was the one that was attributed to Favre. Jones was speaking about ANY player, in the abstract.

4. Jones said he had no problems with Favre, liked the guy, and didn't know anything about Favre being distant.

5. The dingbat for ESPN ignored the fact that her network had been pimping this misquote relentlessly for two days, and pressed Jones for his opinion about Favre's performance last week. Jones was diplomatic with his answers, as a good teammate should be.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Minus points to Jones for being a punk and taking this public.

What should Jones have said when asked what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch?

"As a team we didn't get it done down the stretch"Funny how we didn't hear any critism from the Jets about Favre when they were 8-3.

I would think you would say a teammate stinks when he stinks, not when he doesn't stink. But that's just me.

That is because you have never liked Favre. In case you haven't noticed there seems to be an unwritten rule that teammates don't call each other out.

And THAT is the point......

It doesn't really seem like Favre was a Teammate.

Hey, I was all for the roll of the dice with Favre - I thought the Jets at 4-12 last year had no chance to compete for a SB - so, I said WTH, rol the dice with Favre.....

It was fun and all for a while but, this team needs to Teammate at QB next year - favre wil have to do some groveling and a great sales pitch to get that shot again....

I say Kudos to any Jets player who calls out a guy who is NOT truly a Teammate and who wants to go to battle next year with a guy who is with them 100%.

Why didn't Jones whine about Favre when the Jets were 8-3?

1) Because Favre wasn't losing games by turning the ball over.2) Players don't focus on negative play, especially to the press, when they are winning.

When Favre's play started costing the team W's, people stopped thinking his reckless gunslinging was cute. Seems pretty obvious to me. Is there some less obvious theory you're driving at?

I didn't hear the Jets players whining that Favre wasn't hanging out with them when they were 8-3 and now it appears the Jones didn't think that Favre was "distant". Seems to me that a lot of people are using this as a reason to pile on Favre. So you think it was all Favre's fault the Jets lost those games? Your bolded comment seems to point that way.

To respond to your question with a question...Do you think the GB losses this season are all on Rodger's shoulders? I'd say Favre did more to lose the Jets' games than Rodgers did to lose the GB games.

Do you disagree? Your position on Favre in the Jets' losses would seem to support a conclusion that Rodgers isn't completely to blame for the GB losses.

Oh, but wait. Favre was injured. I guess his leadership was injured along with shoulder. The ankle bone's connected to the shin bone...I guess the leadership's connected to the rotator cuff in Favre's anatomy.

Is anyone who posted the glowing things that Favre's Jets team-mates said about him going to go back to those other threads and add in these not so glowing things being said about him? Just curious.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Good point....players come and go and the Packers will probably never have another QB like Brett Favre.

See, I feel as though they already do. Obviously not the same personality or style, but I feel like they have a replacement capable of winning just as many titles playing for them as Favre did. Who knows, maybe more. If Rodgers is a part of making the next 10-15 years every bit as exciting as the past decade and a half, then I could care less if he's the legend we all remember or if it's the Great Greg Jennings, or some other yet unidentified all-time great. I don't care about the numbers or the records. If Rodgers is a part of a run of great team success, I'll hold him in just as high regard as Favre. He'll be a name from the past some day as well. And when that days comes I move on cheering for his replacement. One thing that separates us is that I'll never assume that it's not possible for someone else to come along and be just as good if not better than the last guy. Rodgers may or may not make us laugh about our fears of replacing Favre. But I sure as heck ain't counting him out before he even gets going.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Minus points to Jones for being a punk and taking this public.

What should Jones have said when asked what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch?

"As a team we didn't get it done down the stretch"Funny how we didn't hear any critism from the Jets about Favre when they were 8-3.

I would think you would say a teammate stinks when he stinks, not when he doesn't stink. But that's just me.

That is because you have never liked Favre. In case you haven't noticed there seems to be an unwritten rule that teammates don't call each other out.

And THAT is the point......

It doesn't really seem like Favre was a Teammate.

Hey, I was all for the roll of the dice with Favre - I thought the Jets at 4-12 last year had no chance to compete for a SB - so, I said WTH, rol the dice with Favre.....

It was fun and all for a while but, this team needs to Teammate at QB next year - favre wil have to do some groveling and a great sales pitch to get that shot again....

I say Kudos to any Jets player who calls out a guy who is NOT truly a Teammate and who wants to go to battle next year with a guy who is with them 100%.

Why didn't Jones whine about Favre when the Jets were 8-3?

1) Because Favre wasn't losing games by turning the ball over.2) Players don't focus on negative play, especially to the press, when they are winning.

When Favre's play started costing the team W's, people stopped thinking his reckless gunslinging was cute. Seems pretty obvious to me. Is there some less obvious theory you're driving at?

I didn't hear the Jets players whining that Favre wasn't hanging out with them when they were 8-3 and now it appears the Jones didn't think that Favre was "distant". Seems to me that a lot of people are using this as a reason to pile on Favre. So you think it was all Favre's fault the Jets lost those games? Your bolded comment seems to point that way.

To respond to your question with a question...Do you think the GB losses this season are all on Rodger's shoulders? I'd say Favre did more to lose the Jets' games than Rodgers did to lose the GB games.

Do you disagree?

I have never said or thought that the Packer losses are all on Rodgers shoulders because they weren't. Likewise, Favre shouldn't get all the blame for the Jets losses.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I guess Ookie was tired of getting owned in the other Favre thread GJ buddy You should work the Jets record into your argument at some point in time here too.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Good point....players come and go and the Packers will probably never have another QB like Brett Favre.

Rodgers may or may not make us laugh about our fears of replacing Favre. But I sure as heck ain't counting him out before he even gets going.

Neither am I.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

I guess Ookie was tired of getting owned in the other Favre thread GJ buddy You should work the Jets record into your argument at some point in time here too.

Turn the tool level down. TIAJ

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Favre never replaced Bart Starr in my heart. There is something special about that first love. for some younger ones Favre was there first love and there is no diminishing his place in there hearts. All part of the magical joy of Fandom. The nice thing about being a Packer Fan is that the tradition is rich, some might say uniquely so, I will ay nearly uniquely so as to not insult the fans of other great franchises.

 

[Phurfur]

Minus points to Jones for being a punk and taking this public.

What should Jones have said when asked what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch?

"As a team we didn't get it done down the stretch"Funny how we didn't hear any critism from the Jets about Favre when they were 8-3.

I would think you would say a teammate stinks when he stinks, not when he doesn't stink. But that's just me.

That is because you have never liked Favre. In case you haven't noticed there seems to be an unwritten rule that teammates don't call each other out.

He didn't call him out. Someone asked him what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch. Would you like him to say I thought Favre did a great job on about half of his passes and tried really hard on the other half?Favre stunk. He knows it. Jones knows it. Everyone knows it. Favre is and will always be the first to take responsibility and say he'd old and he stunk (I think he opens every press conference stating his age). It's not exactly a secret.

Hey good buddy,I've said already that it took balls for Thomas Jones to say that publicly, no question. However, that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. In fact, I would say it was very much the wrong thing to do unless Jones was 100% sure that he and/or Favre weren't going to be with the Jets in 2009. It was bad form IMHO, regardless of whether the comment was accurate or not.

Jones is no the only one calling out Favre, Kerry Rohdes has already stated that if Brett comes back he needs to be more part of the team and put the time in that the rest of the team does. Give these two guys credit for not being the unnamed teammate.For throwing a teammate under the bus, it seems like Favre wasn't much of a teammate so why would these guys guard him? Teammates are critical of each other when the team falls apart and the players at the center of it do not stand up and be accountable for their poor performance.

They are throwing Favre under the bus and it's something that isn't done in sports. The anti-Favre crowd didn't want to give him any credit for the Jets going 8-3 but now it is Favre's fault they didn't make the playoffs.

Actually it is done quite often.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Minus points to Jones for being a punk and taking this public.

What should Jones have said when asked what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch?

"As a team we didn't get it done down the stretch"Funny how we didn't hear any critism from the Jets about Favre when they were 8-3.

I would think you would say a teammate stinks when he stinks, not when he doesn't stink. But that's just me.

That is because you have never liked Favre. In case you haven't noticed there seems to be an unwritten rule that teammates don't call each other out.

He didn't call him out. Someone asked him what he thought of Favre's play down the stretch. Would you like him to say I thought Favre did a great job on about half of his passes and tried really hard on the other half?Favre stunk. He knows it. Jones knows it. Everyone knows it. Favre is and will always be the first to take responsibility and say he'd old and he stunk (I think he opens every press conference stating his age). It's not exactly a secret.

Hey good buddy,I've said already that it took balls for Thomas Jones to say that publicly, no question. However, that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. In fact, I would say it was very much the wrong thing to do unless Jones was 100% sure that he and/or Favre weren't going to be with the Jets in 2009. It was bad form IMHO, regardless of whether the comment was accurate or not.

Jones is no the only one calling out Favre, Kerry Rohdes has already stated that if Brett comes back he needs to be more part of the team and put the time in that the rest of the team does. Give these two guys credit for not being the unnamed teammate.For throwing a teammate under the bus, it seems like Favre wasn't much of a teammate so why would these guys guard him? Teammates are critical of each other when the team falls apart and the players at the center of it do not stand up and be accountable for their poor performance.

They are throwing Favre under the bus and it's something that isn't done in sports. The anti-Favre crowd didn't want to give him any credit for the Jets going 8-3 but now it is Favre's fault they didn't make the playoffs.

Actually it is done quite often.

Really? Then you shouldn't have a problem giving us examples since you think it happens often.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Maybe I should refine my statement here.

It probably wasn't the smartest thing in the world for Thomas Jones to do, but what's the big deal? This isn't Thomas Jones slashing Brett Favre's first born, he's telling a journalist that Favre stunk down the stretch of the season. I'm sure Brett Favre has thicker skins than most of his supporters here. This doesn't effect the Jets in the W-L column, so farnkly, it doesn't effect me.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

I'm sure Brett Favre has thicker skins than most of his supporters here.

I doubt it.

 

[massraider]

? This isn't Thomas Jones slashing Brett Favre's first born, he's telling a journalist that Favre stunk down the stretch of the season.

he didn't even say that.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Maybe I should refine my statement here.

It probably wasn't the smartest thing in the world for Thomas Jones to do, but what's the big deal? This isn't Thomas Jones slashing Brett Favre's first born, he's telling a journalist that Favre stunk down the stretch of the season. I'm sure Brett Favre has thicker skins than most of his supporters here. This doesn't effect the Jets in the W-L column, so farnkly, it doesn't effect me.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Chase, I think we're dealing with the kind of people who need hand-written invitations to know when it's their turn to go at a 4-way stop. It's probably a battle not worth fighting.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Chase, I think we're dealing with the kind of people who need hand-written invitations to know when it's their turn to go at a 4-way stop. It's probaly a battle not worth fighting.

Do you want to show us where Jones stated Favre "stunk down the stretch".

 

[massraider]

Chase, I think we're dealing with the kind of people who need hand-written invitations to know when it's their turn to go at a 4-way stop. It's probaly a battle not worth fighting.

Do you want to show us where Jones stated Favre "stunk down the stretch".

He "reads between the lines".

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Chase, I think we're dealing with the kind of people who need hand-written invitations to know when it's their turn to go at a 4-way stop. It's probaly a battle not worth fighting.

Do you want to show us where Jones stated Favre "stunk down the stretch".

He "reads between the lines".

Look at that, we finally agree on something.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Chase, I think we're dealing with the kind of people who need hand-written invitations to know when it's their turn to go at a 4-way stop. It's probably a battle not worth fighting.

This coming from the guy that tried to equate Jones comments to somehow making people wonder if Favre was telling the truth in August about his departure from the Packers.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

This coming from the guy that tried to equate Jones comments to somehow making people wonder if Favre was telling the truth in August about his departure from the Packers.

As an aside, I made the point that with three teammates and various anonymous coaches and players coming out with all these comments against Favre it should make more than a few people second guess Favre's version of what went down in August. He doesn't seem like such a stand-up guy afterall. With teammates openly questioning his motives and commitment, it's a fair question. Your goofy interpretation of the point I was making is your own misfortune.Edit to add: It really never ceases to amaze me the lengths people go to maintain this pristine image of Brett Favre they have in their head. You really get nothing but headaches no matter how much logic and how reasoned your argument is against them. Evidence and facts be damned. I guess I'm the real sucker for getting back into this debate after months of avoidance.

 

[Phase of the Game]

This coming from the guy that tried to equate Jones comments to somehow making people wonder if Favre was telling the truth in August about his departure from the Packers.

As an aside, I made the point that with three teammates and various anonymous coaches and players coming out with all these comments against Favre it should make more than a few people second guess Favre's version of what went down in August. He doesn't seem like such a stand-up guy afterall. With teammates openly questioning his motives and commitment, it's a fair question. Your goofy interpretation of the point I was making is your own misfortune.

The misfortune is you taking anything you can find to try and bash Favre. Somehow trying to call Favre a liar now is downright pathetic.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

The misfortune is you taking anything you can find to try and bash Favre. Somehow trying to call Favre a liar now is downright pathetic.

No, I know he is a liar. And the misfortune is that so many people hold him up like a god when in reality he's not that great a guy.

 

[Phase of the Game]

The misfortune is you taking anything you can find to try and bash Favre. Somehow trying to call Favre a liar now is downright pathetic.

No, I know he is a liar. And the misfortune is that so many people hold him up like a god when in reality he's not that great a guy.

You want to tell us all the things he has lied about.

 

[Irish]

The misfortune is you taking anything you can find to try and bash Favre. Somehow trying to call Favre a liar now is downright pathetic.

No, I know he is a liar. And the misfortune is that so many people hold him up like a god when in reality he's not that great a guy.

Favre lovers have blinders on and think all fault lies with the Packers. They do not want to even think for a minute that Favre mishandle the situation also. Favre is not the aw shucks hillbilly that he pretends to be. He has become another primma donna athlete who thinks he did no wrong.