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Do the Bills Have a Chance to Beat the Pats? (1 Viewer)

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Do the Bills really have a chance to beat the Pats? At first glance, no, especially not without M Lynch. I would certainly not claim that the Bills will win ("mark it down" :eek: ), but consider this:

1. In general, I am less surprised when a very good team loses to a weaker team when it's an intra-division game.

2. The game is in Buffalo. The Bills could get blown away, but if somehow they can make it a close game in the first half, the crowd might lift them.

3. Injuries can happen. I am not predicting injury, but Brady being knocked out of the game in the first quarter is not an impossible scenario. The man is not a robot.

4. Special teams. I don't see the Bills having four long sustained drives against the Pats, but the Bills almost won against Dallas based on special teams alone.

5. Lee Evans. Very inconsistent, yes. But a couple of blown coverages and/or good moves with Losman getting "lucky" by hitting him in stride on a bomb could mean a couple of long TDs.

6. Refs. I am not for or against the Pats, but what I saw in Indy made me wonder if the refs are not be more inclined to give some close calls to the home dog rather than the Pats.

7. Turnovers. Brady does not turn the ball over often, but he's had bad games against the weak Dolphins in previous years. Brady could throw 2-3 INTs this weekend, maybe even returned for a TD - it's not impossible.

8. Indy game two weeks ago. The Pats played on the road against possibly the second best team in the league and won, so it's impressive by itself. But for the first time of the season, they were held in check for three quarters. The Bills are not the Colts, but at least it's now conceivable to hold the Pats offense down for a few drives.

9. Let down factor. After a big win, some teams sometimes struggle to stay focused against a lesser opponent in their next game. Usually not the Pats, but letdowns are more frequent after big wins than after "normal" wins.

10. Pats bye week. Usually a bye week is beneficial. I don't think the Pats are the kind of team to come out unprepared after a bye. But historically, we have seen top teams coming out flat after a long rest.

11. Four game win streak for the Bills. The Bills are hot and are not going into the game with a down attitude. They lost two games on the last play (Denver, Dallas) - could be a 7-2 team with some luck. The Bills got blown out by the Steelers and Patriots earlier this year in two road games, but at least those games were not out of hand at halftime (17-7 Pats, 12-0 Steelers and then 12-3 Steelers in the third qtr). The Bills are not an NFL doormat team.

Now of course all those factors taken in isolation are minor, very unlikely, and in some cases they are admittedly major reaches on my part. Anybody could come up with a list of 100+ factors as to why the Pats will crush the Bills, and anybody could easily dismiss all my arguments one by one. But my point is that when you take all factors in combination, one or two of them happening at the same time is not unrealistic. The Vegas line implies that the Bills have a 9% chance of winning and this is probably more than most people would think. In some people's mind, the Bills have less than 1% chance of winning. Don't fall into that trap.

From memory, does anybody remember NFL teams which were underdogs by 16+ and ended up winning the game? What's the biggest upset you can remember? The Pats beating the Rams in the SB is an example, but I think the line was 14.5 so it's not as much as Sunday's game. In college there are several examples of that, but a 16-pt underdog in college is a lot more likely to win than a 16 pt dog in the NFL so we should limit this to the NFL.

 
Do they have a chance? Yes. Of course, anything can happen as you've mentioned in your points above.

Likely? Probably not.

However, let me say that Buffalo strikes me as a team that plays to the level of their competition. Yes, they were blew out by NE earlier in the year, but other than that I don't they really got blown out. (They lost to Pitt bad but that game was 12-3 late 3rq quarter and then Pitt put them away). So I can see them keeping the game close, and if they do that an a bounce or two go their way, it's possible.

I don't think they'll be able to outgun NE (nobody thinks this). Their best plan of attack would be ball control, keep the ball out of NE's hands. That means stockpiling first downs, controlling the clock, eliminating turnovers. And most importantly, stop NE on 3rd down.

Vegas giving them a 9% chance means 10-1 on the money line and in this game I'd rather risk my money on the bills than getting 1-10 on NE.

 
As a Life long Bills fan of 25+ years.........no. I've seen everything a team can do to age me quicker than I'm supposed too. The chance we have will leave when Marshawn is inactive.

But, as always, I will still root and watch, and go to bed disappointed.

 
Any team in the NFL can beat any other team on any given day. Even a great team like the Pats can have a bad day, or have a good day and get beat by a team that plays a great, above-their head type of game.

Obviously the Pats are the much better team going into this game, and are much more likely to win it, but they have to prove it on the field before they can actually get that W.

As a Bills fan, I'm of course hoping for a win, but a game where the Bills are competitive and keep it close that ends in a loss would still make me happy (hopefully not a heartbreaker-type loss though, two in a season is enough). A blowout I think would be a setback for this team that has gained some momentum and is trying to make a playoff push.

 
it's not going to happen unless Brady gets injured or misses the game for some reason. a close game is the best outcome the Bills can realistically hope for.

 
Any team in the NFL can beat any other team on any given day. Even a great team like the Pats can have a bad day, or have a good day and get beat by a team that plays a great, above-their head type of game. Obviously the Pats are the much better team going into this game, and are much more likely to win it, but they have to prove it on the field before they can actually get that W. As a Bills fan, I'm of course hoping for a win, but a game where the Bills are competitive and keep it close that ends in a loss would still make me happy (hopefully not a heartbreaker-type loss though, two in a season is enough). A blowout I think would be a setback for this team that has gained some momentum and is trying to make a playoff push.
I dont think if Buffalo gets blown out it would be a setback. Cleveland lost to NE by 17, and then won their next 3. Dallas lost by 21, then won their next 3 and are steamrolling everyone. The Bills themselves, after losing to NE by 31 in week 3, have won 5 of their last 6. And of course the one point loss to Dallas was the only 'setback'. So, no matter the outcome, the Bills are playing good football right now, and I think it will continue win, lose or draw. jmho.
 
actually, marshawn not being in the lineup puts a little more pressure on the Pats coaching staff from a "game planning" POV. The Bills will have to change their offense to account for the loss of Lynch. Its possible for the Pats to be totally unprepared and could be back on their heals if the Bills can muster a couple of scores, while a Bills defense at home w/ a very loud crowd behind them can cause the Pats offense to stumble a little.

I think the Pats win, but not be 4 TDs ... I say, Pats 24 Bills 13

Whats your opinion on the best way to beat the Pats?

Blitzing the heck out of them doesn't work and neither does having 5 or 6 DBs in at once. My opinion is that the Pats offense is going to march up and down the field and the best way to "stop" them ... if it's possible, is to neutralize Moss (especially the big plays). I think making them march up and down the field in small steps not only gives the Bills more opprotunities to force turnovers and punts, it also reduces the number of offensive possessions the Pats will get. If the Bills can make the Pats hold onto the ball a little longer, while the Bills offense tries to hold onto the ball as well, there's the opprotunity to limit the number of Pats offensive possessions, thereby possibly reducing the possibility of the Pats running up the score.

.... or there's the other option of putting a lead pipe to Brady's knee ala Tanya Harding

 
actually, marshawn not being in the lineup puts a little more pressure on the Pats coaching staff from a "game planning" POV. The Bills will have to change their offense to account for the loss of Lynch. Its possible for the Pats to be totally unprepared and could be back on their heals if the Bills can muster a couple of scores, while a Bills defense at home w/ a very loud crowd behind them can cause the Pats offense to stumble a little. I think the Pats win, but not be 4 TDs ... I say, Pats 24 Bills 13Whats your opinion on the best way to beat the Pats? Blitzing the heck out of them doesn't work and neither does having 5 or 6 DBs in at once. My opinion is that the Pats offense is going to march up and down the field and the best way to "stop" them ... if it's possible, is to neutralize Moss (especially the big plays). I think making them march up and down the field in small steps not only gives the Bills more opprotunities to force turnovers and punts, it also reduces the number of offensive possessions the Pats will get. If the Bills can make the Pats hold onto the ball a little longer, while the Bills offense tries to hold onto the ball as well, there's the opprotunity to limit the number of Pats offensive possessions, thereby possibly reducing the possibility of the Pats running up the score..... or there's the other option of putting a lead pipe to Brady's knee ala Tanya Harding
Buffalo needs to play bend but dont break D. Cover the deep stuff, force NE to execute as many plays, and long drives as possible, and hope the crowd noise can factor in on several of those plays. They'll also need a solid return game in both returning and covering. NE's been killing teams in the field position game. And the Bills simply need to open it up and take several deep shots. Theyve got nothing to lose. NE's scoring 30plus this week. There's no way around that. Buffalo's D ranks low in several areas, and NE played horribly for 3 quarters against the Colts D and still scored 24. Losman needs to take atleast 5 or 6 deep shots to Evans and hope he can come down with a couple. NE wont be overplaying the run at all. But they can be beat down the field. the Bills just need to play a great game, but I think theyre capable. But I expect NE to play a great game, too. So, hopefully both teams play great and we get a shootout we'll all enjoy.
 
FWIW, some hardcore Pats fans I know all told me they believe this is the most dangerous game left on their schedule, more so than the home game vs the Steelers. Looking forward to tomorrow's game!

 
Refs. I am not for or against the Pats, but what I saw in Indy made me wonder if the refs are not be more inclined to give some close calls to the home dog rather than the Pats.
Refs finally balancing it out?!
 
-Marshawn Lynch is out.

-Buffalo is dead last in the NFL in sacks.

It might just get ugly. Drive safely Buffalo fans.

 
This will be moral victory for the Bills if they are within 14 at half and within 21 by the end. But in the end you should expect a 45 to 7 type score.

 

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