Do you agree with Eagles' decision making Vick the starter? (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

I know we have lots of talk on this but wanted to make this a Wednesday Morning Quarterback type poll and get the opinion of the Shark Pool forum.

Real simple: Do you agree with the Eagles' decision to name Vick the starter?

Assume a couple of things:

#1. Assume Kolb is healthy and completely over the concussion.

#2. Assume there is nothing going on behind the scenes we don't know about. No looming trouble for Kolb or anything weird.

#3. Assume you have the best interests of the Eagles at heart.

I may call this thread out in Random Shots tonight so we'll have lots looking. Let's hear it.

J

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

You play to win the game.

Kolb has done nothing in this league to warrant being a guaranteed starter after an injury except deposit a paycheck. If his last name were Manning, Rodgers or Brees it'd be different.

So yes, I agree.

 

[Da Guru]

I know we have lots of talk on this but wanted to make this a Wednesday Morning Quarterback type poll and get the opinion of the Shark Pool forum.Real simple: Do you agree with the Eagles' decision to name Vick the starter?Assume a couple of things:#1. Assume Kolb is healthy and completely over the concussion.#2. Assume there is nothing going on behind the scenes we don't know about. No looming trouble for Kolb or anything weird.#3. Assume you have the best interests of the Eagles at heart.I may call this thread out in Random Shots tonight so we'll have lots looking. Let's hear it.J

Vick made the decision for Reid with his play and command of the offense. I watched the whole Lion-Eagle game and Vick never looked better. Vick is a much more polished QB than he was in his days in Atlanta, Vick waits for the play to develop now and gives his WRs a chance to get into their routes..he never was good at that before. PLus it seems he knows when and how to maximise his running ability. Make no mistake Vick has earned the right to start.

 

[Desert_Power]

With the way Vick is playing, how could you not name him the starter? He still has the athleticism but looks to have figured out the mental and passing components finally.

 

[FUBAR]

I absolutely agree but why would I "love it"?

 

[Desert_Power]

I absolutely agree but why would I "love it"?

You'd love it if you got him off of waivers.

 

[geoff8695]

If Vick's new found accuracy isn't a mirage (105.5 passer rating, 63.8% completions, 7.9 YPA), then the Eagles owe it to themselves and their fans to see what they really have in this "new Mike Vick". The 2010 Eagles aren't the Falcons run based offenses circa 2002-2007, this is a potentially very powerful passing offense with better weapons than Vick has ever played with before. If he really has matured as a passer, while maintaining his freakish athleticism and escapability, then the Eagles just hit the lottery.

It's amazing to me how some Eagles fans are digging their heels in and not wanting to give Vick a chance after what he's shown so far. Kolb isn't Manning, Rodgers, or Brees and doesn't have the resume to justify being handed the job without first seeing if the "new Mike Vick" is the real deal.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I absolutely agree but why would I "love it"?

Good point. I removed the additional words.J

 

[Ray_T]

With the way Vick is playing, how could you not name him the starter? He still has the athleticism but looks to have figured out the mental and passing components finally.

he played one game against a soft defense.I wouldnt get overly excited yet.If he plays 2 or 3 straight games and does well, then I'd consider your statement to be valid. So far all hes proven is that he can light it up against one of the weaker teams in the NFL. All starters and maybe 50% of the backups in the NFL should be able to put up decent numbers against that defense. So all Vick has proven is that he is one of the top 40 QB's in the NFL.I figured he was the best Non Starter going into this NFL season, so this last game has not told me anything I dont already know. I am going to reserve judgement on Vick until I see him against a real Defense.

 

[CentralPA]

I agree with the decision but I also think it shows just how messy things are starting to get with this organization. "Gold Standard" (if they ever were that) they are no longer.

 

[delusional]

Eagles put themselves into this position.

They reached on a small school QB & been overrating him for the past 4 years now. They neglected to fix a HUGE hole in the offensive line, which is another reason Vick is starting. Kolb doesn't have the pocket presence or scrambling/elusive ability that Vick has. That is needed behind this piss poor Oline. They realized if they started Kolb, he would not have lasted to week 6.

There are other reasons why they had to do this too. If they would have brought back Kolb this week & next and he looked like he did in preseason & week 1, there would be more drama. Drama being.."was the Kolb project a failure?".

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

It's certainly a strange turn of events. There's no doubt that Vick has done all he can to win the job, but there's two sides to a QB change and I'm not quite seeing how Kolb lost the job already.

Obviously the team felt strongly enough about Kolb's potential to get rid of McNabb and name Kolb the starter. That's a pretty big commitment, and at some point they need to figure out if that was the right decision or not. Kolb played half a game, in which he was constantly being subbed out for Vick even before he was injured. There's no way to know, based on that one half of play, whether or not Kolb is a viable starter.

Does Vick give the Eagles a better chance at winning right now? Quite possibly. He's looked very good so far. But is that in the best interests of the franchise, long-term? I'm not sure. If the plan is to still hang onto Kolb and eventually hand him the keys to the offense, then probably not. If, on the other hand, the Eagles are willing to completely abandon the Kolb experiment already and want Vick to be their starter for the next five years, then they might as well just do it this way rather than sludge along with a controversial QB committee.

 

[Joe Bryant]

FWIW, Jeff McClane from the Philadelphia Enquirer was on SIRIUS NFL radio this morning and said something that I found surprising.

He said this decision closes the chapter on Kevin Kolb in Philadelphia. Said he didn't expect to ever see Kolb in an Eagles uniform again. I don't know if this is just shock value for the papers or what but that sounded like a strong statement to me.

J

 

[delusional]

FWIW, Jeff McClane from the Philadelphia Enquirer was on SIRIUS NFL radio this morning and said something that I found surprising.He said this decision closes the chapter on Kevin Kolb in Philadelphia. Said he didn't expect to ever see Kolb in an Eagles uniform again. I don't know if this is just shock value for the papers or what but that sounded like a strong statement to me.J

Being from the area, alot of stuff you see in the paper is shock value considering how close the eagles organization keeps things. They have very very few leaks. Ill say this though, I think both Kolb & Reid are gone next season.

 

[Touchdown There]

Look at this like you were Reid. He put himself in a win/win situation, which was not possible if he started Kolb. Two possible outcomes here.

1. Win - Everyone wins if Vick does well.

2. Win - Vick does not do well and he replaces him with Kolb. Kolb has more time to heal the concussion. No one will doubt Reid's coaching decisions in the future and his job is not at stake.

Reid is a smart guy. I think he still wants Kolb and is just going to wait for Vick first stinker of a game to replace him. We will see.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

FWIW, Jeff McClane from the Philadelphia Enquirer was on SIRIUS NFL radio this morning and said something that I found surprising.He said this decision closes the chapter on Kevin Kolb in Philadelphia. Said he didn't expect to ever see Kolb in an Eagles uniform again. I don't know if this is just shock value for the papers or what but that sounded like a strong statement to me.J

I think that's pretty much the way the Eagles would have to do it, though. They can't keep Kolb on the bench behind Vick for the next few years. Right now the franchise needs to decide who their QB of the future is. If it's Kolb, then Kolb should be starting in week 3. If it's Vick, then they should try to move Kolb as quickly as possible. Just make a clean break. Otherwise it's going to be a messy, lingering situation.

 

[Joe Bryant]

How much do they really like Kafka?

More to the point, how comfortable would they be with Kafka as the #2 (behind a running QB?)

If they're pretty comfortable, I'd absolutely see trading Kolb for value. You'd hate it and there are always the folks that will point to Brees / Rivers but in a salary cap league, having 2 NFL starter right now QBs is usually a luxury you can't afford.

J

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I give Reid and the coaching staff credit for not stubbornly sticking with their plan and being willing to admit they were wrong.

 

[Glatty]

Absolutely agree. There's just a certain spark when he's on the field. The offense just seems more motivated to play when he's on the field.

 

[Clifford]

I know we have lots of talk on this but wanted to make this a Wednesday Morning Quarterback type poll and get the opinion of the Shark Pool forum.

Real simple: Do you agree with the Eagles' decision to name Vick the starter?

Assume a couple of things:

#1. Assume Kolb is healthy and completely over the concussion.

#2. Assume there is nothing going on behind the scenes we don't know about. No looming trouble for Kolb or anything weird.

#3. Assume you have the best interests of the Eagles at heart.

I may call this thread out in Random Shots tonight so we'll have lots looking. Let's hear it.

J

Vick made the decision for Reid with his play and command of the offense. I watched the whole Lion-Eagle game and Vick never looked better. Vick is a much more polished QB than he was in his days in Atlanta, Vick waits for the play to develop now and gives his WRs a chance to get into their routes..he never was good at that before. PLus it seems he knows when and how to maximise his running ability. Make no mistake Vick has earned the right to start.

Agree here and think the difference is 100% attitude.

 

[Da Guru]

FWIW, Jeff McClane from the Philadelphia Enquirer was on SIRIUS NFL radio this morning and said something that I found surprising.He said this decision closes the chapter on Kevin Kolb in Philadelphia. Said he didn't expect to ever see Kolb in an Eagles uniform again. I don't know if this is just shock value for the papers or what but that sounded like a strong statement to me.J

After 1/2 of the first game of his starting career?

 

[tangfoot]

I think it's a great move, but it has to be continuously reevaluated. Kolb/Vick will be the weekly Monday Morning QB fodder for the entire Philly area after every game, regardless of whether they win or lose.

 

[Todem]

Pretty much agree. Vick has looked great. I just want to see how he plays against stout defenses. I thought he showed his weaknesses in the GB game. He can be eratic in the short and intermediate passing game. But against Detroit it was vintage Vick.

I am just curious what happened in that 24 hour period that had Reid do an about face.

1) Ownership?

2) Locker Room?

3) Kolb looking putrid in practice.

Very curious. And I don't think this is over yet.

 

[GroveDiesel]

You play to win the game.

Kolb has done nothing in this league to warrant being a guaranteed starter after an injury except deposit a paycheck. If his last name were Manning, Rodgers or Brees it'd be different.

So yes, I agree.

No, you play to win a CHAMPIONSHIP. This team has very little shot at a Super Bowl this year. How does this decision make them a better contender for next year or the year after that? It doesn't. Kolb took 13 snaps before he got the concussion. It's shocking to me that the Eagles would invest so heavily in him as their future only to cut his legs out from under him after 13 snaps.

 

[geoff8695]

I give Reid and the coaching staff credit for not stubbornly sticking with their plan and being willing to admit they were wrong.

I don't for a second believe this was Reid's decision. He was adamant, even after Vick's performance in the win over Detroit, that Kolb would be starting. I can't prove it obviously but I think Reid was ordered to start Vick. After letting McNabb go to division rival Washington (HUGE mistake IMO), and seeing the reaction in Philly after McNabb opened with a win over the Cowboys and Kolb looked abysmal in the Eagles opener, I don't think Eagles brass could stomach the negative reaction if Kolb continued to struggle. Heck even if Kolb did just a servicable job, I think you still have the seeds planted for a full blown QB controversy.

 

[Todem]

You play to win the game.

Kolb has done nothing in this league to warrant being a guaranteed starter after an injury except deposit a paycheck. If his last name were Manning, Rodgers or Brees it'd be different.

So yes, I agree.

No, you play to win a CHAMPIONSHIP. This team has very little shot at a Super Bowl this year. How does this decision make them a better contender for next year or the year after that? It doesn't. Kolb took 13 snaps before he got the concussion. It's shocking to me that the Eagles would invest so heavily in him as their future only to cut his legs out from under him after 13 snaps.

That is why I am wondering where this came from. We know Vick what can do.

 

[jon007]

I give Reid and the coaching staff credit for not stubbornly sticking with their plan and being willing to admit they were wrong.

Good Point.Watching Vick last year and into this year he has been a great team player. You know its hard to be the man at one point in your career and now you are a back up, his attitude has been excellent. Having Vick do spot duty last year with McNabb told me that the Eagles saw enough that they needed to work into the game plan. I believe Vick will seize moment. The Eagles just went from an unproven to a Pro Bowl caliber QB. It sucks for Kolb but he did have plenty of opportunity to seize his moment.

 

[Captain Hook]

I voted "completely agree" above - HC job to select the player(s) at any position he feels will give the team the best chance to win - at least for the upcoming game.

What I think complicates this so much was Reid going out of his way to say that Kolb was the first string QB etc (which would be fine if he was returning completely healthy and ready to perform at a high level). He could have helped when he made the decision to play Vick this week by saying that while Kolb was cleared to play, the thought that for this week Vick was more prepared to lead the team

 

[basher]

This just further proves that the NFL is a win now league. Also, I agree with the decision, clearly they were not absolutely sold on him in the first place otherwise this would never have happened. I would also think this is a locker room decision and methinks Vick is regarded as a guy who can win the most games for them in the locker room.

 

[geoff8695]

You play to win the game.

Kolb has done nothing in this league to warrant being a guaranteed starter after an injury except deposit a paycheck. If his last name were Manning, Rodgers or Brees it'd be different.

So yes, I agree.

No, you play to win a CHAMPIONSHIP. This team has very little shot at a Super Bowl this year. How does this decision make them a better contender for next year or the year after that? It doesn't. Kolb took 13 snaps before he got the concussion. It's shocking to me that the Eagles would invest so heavily in him as their future only to cut his legs out from under him after 13 snaps.

That is why I am wondering where this came from. We know Vick what can do.

Do you really know what Vick can do? He has about 60 passing attempts in less than 2 games, with a passer rating >100 and a completion percentage > 60%. I think his previous high in attempts for an entire 16 game season was only in the 380-390 attempt range, and his completion percentage was closer to 50% than 60%.What if Vick can still do everything with his legs that he used to do, plus he is in a passing offense and has become an accurate enough passer to take advantage of the best supporting cast he's ever seen? Don't you think the Eagles need to have that question answered, or do you insist that it's already been answered?

 

[huthut]

What has Kolb done that has made him look better than Vick? He had a good game last year against a terrible defense and that is about it.

 

[Neo]

I agree with it because with that line, they need a mobile QB to run things. A friend of mine who is a long time Philly fan, watches every down, said to me in the offseason that Kolb would get killed back there and that he couldn't see Kolb lasting long behind that line. He said most people didn't realize how great McNaab was in moving around in the pocket, taking punishment (albeit he always got banged up though) and buying time. Amazing how spot on he was. So from a football stand point, it makes a ton of sense....they need someone to avoid the rush and buy time. Vick is perfect for that while Kolb is really a sitting duck.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I think it's a terrible decision IF Kolb is healthy enough to start. Vick carved up a horrible DET pass defense and a GB defense that was playing prevent because they had the game in hand (kudos to Vick though, for getting them back in to the game).

Kolb is the future of the team, for better or worse. Losing your job after a quarter and a half of work? Absurd......

 

[LHUCKS]

Absolutely Agree

A) Vick is in the type of form right now that can carry a team to the NFC Championship game and maybe even the SuperBowl...the NFL is to competitive to not take that kind of opportunity when you have it.

B) Kolb may or not be the QB of the future for the Eagles, given A) above, I don't see how you can take that kind of gamble with Kolb

Given A and B I think it's an easy decision, though it's interesting to see that some guys like ESPN's John Clayton have openly come out and stated it was a mistake. Mort and other have said the opposite. Everybody has an opinion on this one.

On a related note, I think the majority of NFL fans are excited to watch Vick...I was at a very crowded sports bar here in Orlando and with every game on, most eyes were watching what Vick was doing when he was on the field. Arguably the most electrifying player in the NFL IMHO.

 

[geoff8695]

I think it's a terrible decision IF Kolb is healthy enough to start. Vick carved up a horrible DET pass defense and a GB defense that was playing prevent because they had the game in hand (kudos to Vick though, for getting them back in to the game).Kolb is the future of the team, for better or worse. Losing your job after a quarter and a half of work? Absurd......

Pretend for a second that the 105.5 QB rating, 63.8% completion percentage in about 60 attemtps, 3TDs to 0 turnovers, and 140 rushing yards (behind a poor oline) in less than 2 games had been racked up by an early 20-something like say.... Tim Tebow, rather than a 30 yr. old former convict named Mike Vick...Would that perhaps change your outlook?

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I'm very firmly in the "Hope to see Vick fail" camp. If that makes me a "hater" so be it. I do have a very strong dislike for Mike Vick (and not just for the dogs). I just don't generally root for guys I think are legitimately bad people.

All that said, he WAS given a second chance, he IS in the NFL, and he looks like the best QB on his team right now. If your team is in a position to contend for the playoffs (which the Eagles are), you play your best players. It's that simple.

 

[ponchsox]

This has more to do with Vick resurrecting his career as a QB who can play at a high level in the NFL. If Vick plays great the entire season, you re-sign him. Otherwise, you have Kolb to start next year.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I think it's a terrible decision IF Kolb is healthy enough to start. Vick carved up a horrible DET pass defense and a GB defense that was playing prevent because they had the game in hand (kudos to Vick though, for getting them back in to the game).Kolb is the future of the team, for better or worse. Losing your job after a quarter and a half of work? Absurd......

Pretend for a second that the 105.5 QB rating, 63.8% completion percentage in about 60 attemtps, 3TDs to 0 turnovers, and 140 rushing yards (behind a poor oline) in less than 2 games had been racked up by an early 20-something like say.... Tim Tebow, rather than a 30 yr. old former convict named Mike Vick...Would that perhaps change your outlook?

Do we also get to throw out Kevin Kolb's $12M a year salary for two more years and pretend Vick is signed for beyond this year?

 

[Insein]

Absolutely disagree.

I've made my points pretty clear but Vick is a short term, knee jerk decision. The big picture is that he sets us back another 5 years if we keep him as the starter. If we were going this route then we should have traded Kolb and Vick and kept McNabb while drafting our QB of the future this year.

 

[Adebisi]

Agree with the decision to make Vick the starter (assuming the goal is to win this year; if not, then disagree); disagree with Reid's flip-flopping on the decision.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I think it's a terrible decision IF Kolb is healthy enough to start. Vick carved up a horrible DET pass defense and a GB defense that was playing prevent because they had the game in hand (kudos to Vick though, for getting them back in to the game).

Kolb is the future of the team, for better or worse. Losing your job after a quarter and a half of work? Absurd......

Pretend for a second that the 105.5 QB rating, 63.8% completion percentage in about 60 attemtps, 3TDs to 0 turnovers, and 140 rushing yards (behind a poor oline) in less than 2 games had been racked up by an early 20-something like say.... Tim Tebow, rather than a 30 yr. old former convict named Mike Vick...Would that perhaps change your outlook?

Yeah, if it was a 20 year old Tebow, I'd absolutely go with him over a 30 year old Vick. What's your point?

 

[delusional]

Absolutely disagree.I've made my points pretty clear but Vick is a short term, knee jerk decision. The big picture is that he sets us back another 5 years if we keep him as the starter. If we were going this route then we should have traded Kolb and Vick and kept McNabb while drafting our QB of the future this year.

Goes back to the draft itself, they never should have taken him in the first place. ( Kolb that is )

 

[Touchdown There]

I think it's a terrible decision IF Kolb is healthy enough to start. Vick carved up a horrible DET pass defense and a GB defense that was playing prevent because they had the game in hand (kudos to Vick though, for getting them back in to the game).Kolb is the future of the team, for better or worse. Losing your job after a quarter and a half of work? Absurd......

I agree with you Hermit, but I also voted "pretty much agree" to the poll above. Vick is the best move right now. Do you see all the posts above with statements like "I give Reid and the coaching staff credit for not stubbornly sticking with their plan and being willing to admit they were wrong." Reid read the book "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People" and habit four is Think Win-Win. He wins if Vick wins. He wins if Vick stinks and he gets to put Kolb in.The more I thought about it, it was the only decision he could have made. I do not give credit to Reid for not being stubborn. I give Reid credit for being Captain Smarty Pants.

 

[7 come 11]

I'm very firmly in the "Hope to see Vick fail" camp. If that makes me a "hater" so be it. I do have a very strong dislike for Mike Vick (and not just for the dogs). I just don't generally root for guys I think are legitimately bad people.All that said, he WAS given a second chance, he IS in the NFL, and he looks like the best QB on his team right now. If your team is in a position to contend for the playoffs (which the Eagles are), you play your best players. It's that simple.

Agree completely, Vick is a bad person who was lucky enough to get a 2nd chance on a pass-oriented team with a shaky starting QB. From a football perspective, he is the best QB on the team and should be the starter. However, despite what his apologists say, he will always be a thug at heart and I will root against him for that reason.

 

[Crash Davis]

I went with Pretty much disagree, though I could have gone with "on the fence." I just don't understand the progression here when you take into consideration the trade of McNabb in the off-season, to a division rival no less. Most Eagles fans that live near me (Central NJ) seemed to say at that time that you knew how the McNabb 'story' always ended, either with an injury or falling short of the ultimate prize because this team wasn't ready to be a title contender this year. They rationalized the move to trade him as the chance to let Kolb develop while DeSean Jackson, Maclin, Celek, and McCoy were still young and they could become a young dynamic offense that could compete for years as the defense and O-line retooled.

When I talk to them now, they are perplexed, as am I. If you thought you had a chance to win this year and Kolb wasn't the guy why did you trade McNabb? You are stunting Kolb's growth for Michael Vick. Is he suddenly a complete QB now after almost 3 years removed from his last starting gig? Sure he looked great in limited work so far, but so did Kolb last year in limited duty. To me, you had less to lose and more to gain by letting Kolb get back in there this week against a weaker opponent than he had to face in week one and see if he is what you thought he was. You could always put Vick in the game for a different look and people wouldn't think twice. If the offense continued to operate better with Vick and struggle with Kolb you have your case made for you and the switch is less damaging to the kid as he would have felt like he got a fair shot, or at least more so than he must now. With Vick in there as the starter you aren't going to mix Kolb in there for shotgun or two minute offense. It's the wrong formula for getting the most out of both of them IMO.

The only factors that make sense to me (and I don't think this goes against the spirit of the poll) are that the O-line is terrible right now and Vick clearly has the better skill set to deal with that. You can argue that Kolb getting lit up David Carr style is worse than being benched for Vick. The other factor that has to come into play is the division and their rivals' respective starts. I think they feel they are better than Washington, and with Dallas and NY looking shaky at best perhaps they feel that they can win now. It's one thing to plan to retool and set up for the future, but sometimes when an a perceived opportunity to win now presents itself you have to take it. That's why i'm close to being on the fence, but I don't think Vick leads them to a SuperBowl past the Saints or Packers, so in the end you are back to where you were with McNabb.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

He wins if Vick stinks and he gets to put Kolb in.

I don't see how Reid "wins" in that scenario.

 

[Bushead]

I think it's a terrible decision IF Kolb is healthy enough to start. Vick carved up a horrible DET pass defense and a GB defense that was playing prevent because they had the game in hand (kudos to Vick though, for getting them back in to the game).Kolb is the future of the team, for better or worse. Losing your job after a quarter and a half of work? Absurd......

Pretend for a second that the 105.5 QB rating, 63.8% completion percentage in about 60 attemtps, 3TDs to 0 turnovers, and 140 rushing yards (behind a poor oline) in less than 2 games had been racked up by an early 20-something like say.... Tim Tebow, rather than a 30 yr. old former convict named Mike Vick...Would that perhaps change your outlook?

Do we also get to throw out Kevin Kolb's $12M a year salary for two more years and pretend Vick is signed for beyond this year?

he is really making half of that. 12M is for 2 years - this year and next. He base was $600K before they upped his salary. Really, combine both of their salaries and they paying less than 12M for Vick and Kolb this year

 

[Jason Wood]

In the context of this week? I guess it makes sense. But I can't possibly look at this decision in a vacuum and have to also factor in the fact we decided to trade McNabb, to a division foe, for a 2nd rounder AND passed up on multiple high picks (per DH's contacts) for Kolb this offseason in order to hand the job to Kolb. Would we have still traded McNabb with the idea of Vick being our starter on a one-year deal?

 

[geoff8695]

I think it's a terrible decision IF Kolb is healthy enough to start. Vick carved up a horrible DET pass defense and a GB defense that was playing prevent because they had the game in hand (kudos to Vick though, for getting them back in to the game).

Kolb is the future of the team, for better or worse. Losing your job after a quarter and a half of work? Absurd......

Pretend for a second that the 105.5 QB rating, 63.8% completion percentage in about 60 attemtps, 3TDs to 0 turnovers, and 140 rushing yards (behind a poor oline) in less than 2 games had been racked up by an early 20-something like say.... Tim Tebow, rather than a 30 yr. old former convict named Mike Vick...Would that perhaps change your outlook?

Yeah, if it was a 20 year old Tebow, I'd absolutely go with him over a 30 year old Vick. What's your point?

I think some of the resistance to giving Vick a chance are because of his criminal past, and/or the perception that he's just not a good person. I think some of the resisitance to Vick comes from the fact that he's 30 yrs. old, and since he relies on his legs as a weapon, people apply the same fears they have when it comes to 30+ yr. old RBs. I also think some of the resistance stems from a hope that the Eagles will find a young franchise QB they can plug in for years to come (namely Kolb, or at least find out that Kolb isn't that guy so they can move on).Unfortunately in the NFL, it's very difficult to find a young franchise QB who will give you 10+ years of elite production. Brady, Manning, Rodgers, etc. don't grow on trees. Odds are that Kolb isn't going to turn into one of these guys (although Vick starting in the short term doesn't prevent Kolb from getting another chance). Why cling to the illusion that the Eagles are missing out on a young franchise QB, by accepting ELITE production from Vick right now?!

If you can get even one season of elite QB production from Vick - I believe the correct thing to do is take it and don't look back!

You can't expect that you will ever get even one year of such production from Kolb. There's no evidence to support this belief at this stage. And I really don't get this idea that "Kolb not starting in the short term" = "Eagles throwing away their future"; that just doesn't make any sense.

And throwing away a chance to get elite production from Vick right now in 2010 makes even less sense.

 

[Joe Bryant]

In the context of this week? I guess it makes sense. But I can't possibly look at this decision in a vacuum and have to also factor in the fact we decided to trade McNabb, to a division foe, for a 2nd rounder AND passed up on multiple high picks (per DH's contacts) for Kolb this offseason in order to hand the job to Kolb. Would we have still traded McNabb with the idea of Vick being our starter on a one-year deal?

I hear you Jason.

But I'd ask this - don't you have to look at this in a vacuum? At least for how you got to Kolb? Whether he was the high draft pick or a lowly free agent add, the reality is still the same that you know what you know about Kolb and Vick's on field performance and given that, you have to make a call.

Don't you have to take the emotion out of it?

J