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Do You Believe Titans on Young? (1 Viewer)

Do you think the Titans are being truthful about them taking Young at #3?

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Seems like the Titans are going out of their way to profess their love for Young. Do you think this is legit? Or a smokescreen to try and lure Oakland (or someone else) into a trade?

If the first two picks are non QBs, will the Titans take Young at #3?

J

 
I just don't see them passing on Leinart for Young. It seesm like too much of a fit for Chow. Leinart would be able to move into the system far sooner than Young (assuming Chow is sticking with his style).

 
I don't see the Titans taking Young unless they keep McNair at a lower salary this year. Without McNair taking a cut I don't think the Titans can afford signing their rookies (could be wrong on this) - which would lead to McNair being cut. If he is cut you need a guy that can start latest next year. I don't think VY is that guy. On that basis I doubt the Titans will draft him. Bud Adams could throw a spanner in the works though - although would it really endear him to the fan base in Houston?

That aside the buzz the last few weeks as I remember reading it is that the Titans like all three guys - so if they are talking up VY it is likely to get someone to give them some picks to get him.

 
I don't buy it at all. You don't bring a guy in whose weaknesses play to your offense's strengths.

I have no doubt Young can be an amazing QB in the league. But the team who drafts him will be working him for at least two seasons.

As great a coach as Jeff Fisher is (I think he's probably 2nd only to Belichick), I don't believe the Titans will give him three more seasons to pull this team around.

Leinart I believe can come in and be decent as a rookie, talking close to .500...

I believe that this talk on Young is probably something of a leverage tactic in future contract negotiations, although I wouldn't be able to pinpoint how because I simply haven't been able to follow it the past few weeks.

This has nothing to do with the thread, but LGOA has the best sig ever.

 
Seems like the Titans are going out of their way to profess their love for Young. Do you think this is legit? Or a smokescreen to try and lure Oakland (or someone else) into a trade?

If the first two picks are non QBs, will the Titans take Young at #3?

J
I have the impression they loved Young before the combine. Then the Wunderlic story broke and we all were now wary of him so we assumed Leinart was the #1 QB in everyone's boards. We're now hearing Tennessee loves Young again. Maybe they weren't deterred by the test score and have never wavered. :shrug:
 
I'm suspicious that they may be trying to convince people who want Leinart that they don't have to trade with NO to get him so that Leinart then falls to them at #3. But there is really no way to know for sure. Maybe they just like Vince better.

 
Seems like the Titans are going out of their way to profess their love for Young. Do you think this is legit? Or a smokescreen to try and lure Oakland (or someone else) into a trade?

If the first two picks are non QBs, will the Titans take Young at #3?

J
As you know, I don't often express my opinion :boxing: but I've really been perplexed. The question you ask about the Titans can be asked about the Raiders.It is VY or ML that each team wants?

It is my opinion, feeling, whatever, that the Titans would be happy with any of the 3 QBs if the price was right. If they can get enough, they'll be happy with Cutler -- re: the rumored trade with OAK where the Titans get Porter and a 3rd rounder.

Per your scenario: If the first two picks are non-QBs...I think...if they are forced to maket the pick due to having no dance/trade partners...I think they take Matt Leinart.

My main reason is this: McNair is not going to be around. He's done and we need his money. Therefore, we need a QB that can play the soonest. I think that is Leinart. Vince may end up being the best in the long run, but the Titans need it quickly.

 
If they didn't like Norm Chows offense, why did they hire him as offensive Coordinator? If they are going to run his offense, Leinart is a much better fit, both short and long term.

Young will be a fantastic QB, but he needs an offense that plays to his strengths.

Edit to add, If they think that Young will be the better player in this system, long term, then he should be the pick. They are taking a QB for the next ten years, with the focus being on the entirety of those years, not the next two. I still think Leinart will be a better Long Term QB in this system than Young.

 
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If they didn't like Norm Chows offense, why did they hire him as offensive Coordinator? If they are going to run his offense, Leinart is a much better fit, both short and long term.

Young will be a fantastic QB, but he needs an offense that plays to his strengths.
Chow's offense is designed to exploit a talent like Young. Steve Young was his finest student.
 
I voted a big fat 'yes'. If this was a smokescreen I would first have to conclude the entire organization is on the same page; I understand they are not.

 
Seems like the Titans are going out of their way to profess their love for Young. Do you think this is legit? Or a smokescreen to try and lure Oakland (or someone else) into a trade?

If the first two picks are non QBs, will the Titans take Young at #3?

J
There is a possibility of a smokescreen, here's why:Matt Leinert could easily be there guy......but they also know some other teams behind them, not to far down the list could want Young. So thinking of what the Giants and San Diego did a few years back with Eli Mannning, they could be hoping to make this trade out of that spot, just to fall a few spots. They would get compensated for dropping at get the QB they want all along.

If this doesn't work.........what do they lose, they'll draft whoever they want anyway.

 
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If they didn't like Norm Chows offense, why did they hire him as offensive Coordinator? If they are going to run his offense, Leinart is a much better fit, both short and long term.

Young will be a fantastic QB, but he needs an offense that plays to his strengths.

Edit to add, If they think that Young will be the better player in this system, long term, then he should be the pick. They are taking a QB for the next ten years, with the focus being on the entirety of those years, not the next two. I still think Leinart will be a better Long Term QB in this system than Young.
Au contrere, mon frere. Pragmatically, you are correct. However, the sense here is that Fisher/Reese have a year or two to right the ship. That concerns them much more than stocking the cupboard for the next staff.
 
If they can get enough, they'll be happy with Cutler -- re: the rumored trade with OAK where the Titans get Porter and a 3rd rounder.
I really hope this is the case. Taking Cutler, Porter, and a 3rd rounder will get us alot closer to being where we want to be. :thumbup: Givens, Bennett, Porter, Calico, B Jones, Roby, Roydell Williams, Troupe, Kinney, and Scaife gives Volek/Cutler plenty of weapons going into this season. Use the rest of the draft to shore up an already improved defense, and I think we are looking at a team inching closer to respectability again.

 
colin cowher just read a tease stating a player for the titans is saying the will take VY @ 3.... more after the break

 
If they can get enough, they'll be happy with Cutler -- re: the rumored trade with OAK where the Titans get Porter and a 3rd rounder.
I really hope this is the case. Taking Cutler, Porter, and a 3rd rounder will get us alot closer to being where we want to be. :thumbup: Givens, Bennett, Porter, Calico, B Jones, Roby, Roydell Williams, Troupe, Kinney, and Scaife gives Volek/Cutler plenty of weapons going into this season. Use the rest of the draft to shore up an already improved defense, and I think we are looking at a team inching closer to respectability again.
i'd love to see them move back and get extra picks and end up w/ cutler
 
If they didn't like Norm Chows offense, why did they hire him as offensive Coordinator? If they are going to run his offense, Leinart is a much better fit, both short and long term.

Young will be a fantastic QB, but he needs an offense that plays to his strengths.
Chow's offense is designed to exploit a talent like Young. Steve Young was his finest student.
Hi Chaos,Do you think Chow would rather have the guy he's familiar with and has had great success with in Leinart or would he prefer a talent like Young that has a style closer to Steve Young?

J

 
colin cowher just read a tease stating a player for the titans is saying the will take VY @ 3.... more after the break
Keep us posted cw.I wonder if this is a crap teaser like Kuselius is running where he makes it sound like something has happened but in reality it's just his opinion of a deal they should do.

J

 
It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart. Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there. Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.

 
Hey Joe,

I honestly believe Leinart is their guy, no questions about it. But there's value in leveraging the uncertainty. When push comes to shove, if Leinart is on the board at 3, Tennessee is grabbing him.

 
It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart. Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there. Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.
Volek is ready to go out of the box.They can afford to give VY a LOOOOOOONG couple of years.

 
thinking out of the box here - is the following a possibility?

titans don't want to take a QB at all, but they sure wouldn't mind if bush + a QB are taken ahead of them leaving them with their preferred choice of ferguson or williams or whomever at #3.

giving the impression that they are taking young could increase the odds that a team that covets Young (Oak?) trades with NO (thus eliminating the possibility that their favorite guy goes at #2). If oak wants to give the titans porter as part of a deal, that might be appealing also, but it would be ashame that they spent some money on givens when it could have been better spent towards someone on the other side of the ball.

 
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colin cowher just read a tease stating a player for the titans is saying the will take VY @ 3.... more after the break
last week Keith Bulluck picked him on Cold Pizza...
 
It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart. Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there. Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.
Volek is ready to go out of the box.They can afford to give VY a LOOOOOOONG couple of years.
If you're burning a top 3 pick on a QB...chances are you're going to want him to play sooner rather than later.
 
If they didn't like Norm Chows offense, why did they hire him as offensive Coordinator? If they are going to run his offense, Leinart is a much better fit, both short and long term.

Young will be a fantastic QB, but he needs an offense that plays to his strengths.
Chow's offense is designed to exploit a talent like Young. Steve Young was his finest student.
Hi Chaos,Do you think Chow would rather have the guy he's familiar with and has had great success with in Leinart or would he prefer a talent like Young that has a style closer to Steve Young?

J
I find this question much more difficult than most. I'm not confident in an answer. I believe Chow would be excited to have either. It does appear he favors Leinart. I'm not big on predicting smokescreens, but I agree there's considerable gamesmanship in play this time of year. IF Tennessee takes Young, I'll be surprised if Chow ever claims he was his preference, even if he is. If Tennessee takes Leinart, I would expect Chow to say he was his preference all along, and I would believe that. Make sense? I have a hunch the Titans favor Young for his very high ceiling and ability to open up the playbook and keep defenses honest. So, to give a straight answer, I'll say I think Chow prefers Young's amazing skillset. The quote at USC's Pro Day compelled me: "I love Matt. I loved working with Matt. I would love to work with him again. But this is business now."
 
If they didn't like Norm Chows offense, why did they hire him as offensive Coordinator? If they are going to run his offense, Leinart is a much better fit, both short and long term.

Young will be a fantastic QB, but he needs an offense that plays to his strengths.
Chow's offense is designed to exploit a talent like Young. Steve Young was his finest student.
Hi Chaos,Do you think Chow would rather have the guy he's familiar with and has had great success with in Leinart or would he prefer a talent like Young that has a style closer to Steve Young?

J
I find this question much more difficult than most. I'm not confident in an answer. I believe Chow would be excited to have either. It does appear he favors Leinart. I'm not big on predicting smokescreens, but I agree there's considerable gamesmanship in play this time of year. IF Tennessee takes Young, I'll be surprised if Chow ever claims he was his preference, even if he is. If Tennessee takes Leinart, I would expect Chow to say he was his preference all along, and I would believe that. Make sense? I have a hunch the Titans favor Young for his very high ceiling and ability to open up the playbook and keep defenses honest. So, to give a straight answer, I'll say I think Chow prefers Young's amazing skillset. The quote at USC's Pro Day compelled me: "I love Matt. I loved working with Matt. I would love to work with him again. But this is business now."
Thanks Chaos,I can see that for sure.

Assuming New Orleans doesn't wreck the draft picking a QB, I really think the fork in the road for the first round is with Tennessee. Anxious to see what they do.

J

 
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It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart. Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there. Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.
Volek is ready to go out of the box.They can afford to give VY a LOOOOOOONG couple of years.
If you're burning a top 3 pick on a QB...chances are you're going to want him to play sooner rather than later.
Yeah, kind of like McNair.
 
It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart.  Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there.  Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.
Volek is ready to go out of the box.They can afford to give VY a LOOOOOOONG couple of years.
:goodposting: Volek can play 2006 and maybe 2007. Bennett would be top 20 WR.

 
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McNair has worked with Young plenty already. Leinart of course with Chow. They each seem like an esp good fit. I guess they figure Leinart is gone

 
It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart.  Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there.  Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.
Volek is ready to go out of the box.They can afford to give VY a LOOOOOOONG couple of years.
:goodposting: Volek can play 2005 and maybe 2006. Bennett would be top 20 WR.
Might want to check the years there.Regardless...why on earth do you assume what happened two years ago would happen again?

 
the way i hear it is the front office wants young and the coaching staff wants leinart......if the front office is totally set on young then he is the pick

also, for people saying draft leinart because he is ready to go right away that is just silly. you don't draft a quarterback based on how you think he might perform next year, but in 3-4 years.

 
the way i hear it is the front office wants young and the coaching staff wants leinart......if the front office is totally set on young then he is the pick

also, for people saying draft leinart because he is ready to go right away that is just silly. you don't draft a quarterback based on how you think he might perform next year, but in 3-4 years.
No, what youve said there is just silly. Ideally, in a perfect world, yes, you are right.

However, Reese and Fisher don't have 3-4 years. And they are the ones making the decisions. They have a 1, maybe two year time window to keep their jobs, and if this team goes 4-12, 5-11 again, both will be gone after 2006

 
What happenned to all the rumors that Chow didn't like Leinart? Have those gone away?
A quick read of Leinart's blog diary on ESPN suggests he's got a great relationship with all of the Titans staff and Floyd Reese. He's spent a ton of time with them (and the Jets), so I would be surprised if he's not destined for one of those two teams.
 
It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart.  Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there.  Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.
Volek is ready to go out of the box.They can afford to give VY a LOOOOOOONG couple of years.
:goodposting: Volek can play 2005 and maybe 2006. Bennett would be top 20 WR.
Might want to check the years there.Regardless...why on earth do you assume what happened two years ago would happen again?
First thank you for the year check. We assume all day like Leinart will be ready to go from day 1.
 
the way i hear it is the front office wants young and the coaching staff wants leinart......if the front office is totally set on young then he is the pick

also, for people saying draft leinart because he is ready to go right away that is just silly.  you don't draft a quarterback based on how you think he might perform next year, but in 3-4 years.
No, what youve said there is just silly. Ideally, in a perfect world, yes, you are right.

However, Reese and Fisher don't have 3-4 years. And they are the ones making the decisions. They have a 1, maybe two year time window to keep their jobs, and if this team goes 4-12, 5-11 again, both will be gone after 2006
if you are drafting a qb to save your job next year....well....good luck
 
It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart.  Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there.  Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.
Volek is ready to go out of the box.They can afford to give VY a LOOOOOOONG couple of years.
:goodposting: Volek can play 2005 and maybe 2006. Bennett would be top 20 WR.
Might want to check the years there.Regardless...why on earth do you assume what happened two years ago would happen again?
First thank you for the year check. We assume all day like Leinart will be ready to go from day 1.
Well, as awesome as that reasoning is, why do you assume Bennett will be a top 20 WR just b/c Volek might start a few games in 2006?
 
It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart.  Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there.  Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.
Volek is ready to go out of the box.They can afford to give VY a LOOOOOOONG couple of years.
If you're burning a top 3 pick on a QB...chances are you're going to want him to play sooner rather than later.
Yeah, kind of like McNair.
Apples and oranges.McNair was signed to a very reasonable $ contract, 7

years long and with no voidable years. VY will be $25 mil bonus on a 4 year contract.

 
It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart.  Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there.  Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.
Volek is ready to go out of the box.They can afford to give VY a LOOOOOOONG couple of years.
If you're burning a top 3 pick on a QB...chances are you're going to want him to play sooner rather than later.
Yeah, kind of like McNair.
Apples and oranges.McNair was signed to a very reasonable $ contract, 7

years long and with no voidable years. VY will be $25 mil bonus on a 4 year contract.
i suspect if he is chosen by the Titans he will hae a 6 year deal (max now allowed under the CBA) or a 5 year deal with a team option for a 6th. It is the only way he can get big money guarantees and bonus.When McNair signed the maximum was 7 years. Now its 6. Any top 5 pick will be asked to sign a 6 year or 5+1 deal.

 
It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart.  Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there.  Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.
Volek is ready to go out of the box.They can afford to give VY a LOOOOOOONG couple of years.
If you're burning a top 3 pick on a QB...chances are you're going to want him to play sooner rather than later.
Yeah, kind of like McNair.
Apples and oranges.McNair was signed to a very reasonable $ contract, 7

years long and with no voidable years. VY will be $25 mil bonus on a 4 year contract.
I hate to keep repeating myself, just as Im sure WMI is, about these same issues in basically the same threads over and over, but McNair's situation is completely different from Young/Leinart's. The compensation for a top 5 pick has gone up DRAMATICALLY, and Fisher does not have the job security to sit a top 5 pick for 2 years. Its that simple.

Pretty much, you can assume what happened 11 years ago has no bearing on a decision today, even if the same people are involved.

 
It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart.  Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there.  Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.
Volek is ready to go out of the box.They can afford to give VY a LOOOOOOONG couple of years.
If you're burning a top 3 pick on a QB...chances are you're going to want him to play sooner rather than later.
Yeah, kind of like McNair.
Apples and oranges.McNair was signed to a very reasonable $ contract, 7

years long and with no voidable years. VY will be $25 mil bonus on a 4 year contract.
I hate to keep repeating myself, just as Im sure WMI is, about these same issues in basically the same threads over and over, but McNair's situation is completely different from Young/Leinart's. The compensation for a top 5 pick has gone up DRAMATICALLY, and Fisher does not have the job security to sit a top 5 pick for 2 years. Its that simple.

Pretty much, you can assume what happened 11 years ago has no bearing on a decision today, even if the same people are involved.
I do not believe Fishers Future employment is going to force him to pick Matt over Vince if he thinks Vince is a better long term QB.Fisher knows if the Titans were to let him go he would be able to land any open HC job that will be avail next season.

 
It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart.  Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there.  Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.
Volek is ready to go out of the box.They can afford to give VY a LOOOOOOONG couple of years.
If you're burning a top 3 pick on a QB...chances are you're going to want him to play sooner rather than later.
Yeah, kind of like McNair.
Apples and oranges.McNair was signed to a very reasonable $ contract, 7

years long and with no voidable years. VY will be $25 mil bonus on a 4 year contract.
I hate to keep repeating myself, just as Im sure WMI is, about these same issues in basically the same threads over and over, but McNair's situation is completely different from Young/Leinart's. The compensation for a top 5 pick has gone up DRAMATICALLY, and Fisher does not have the job security to sit a top 5 pick for 2 years. Its that simple.

Pretty much, you can assume what happened 11 years ago has no bearing on a decision today, even if the same people are involved.
I do not believe Fishers Future employment is going to force him to pick Matt over Vince if he thinks Vince is a better long term QB.Fisher knows if the Titans were to let him go he would be able to land any open HC job that will be avail next season.
For $$$ reasons, a top 5 pick is extremely unlikely to sit for 2 years. 1 year at best.Look at the Bengals. Kitna was comeback player of the year, but he was benched in the offseason before year 2. Potential, talent and $$$ were the reasons.

 
It's sheer stupidity if they really do take him over Leinart.  Leinart is ready to go out of the box with Chow there.  Vince Young is going to be a LOOOOOONG term project.
Volek is ready to go out of the box.They can afford to give VY a LOOOOOOONG couple of years.
If you're burning a top 3 pick on a QB...chances are you're going to want him to play sooner rather than later.
Yeah, kind of like McNair.
Apples and oranges.McNair was signed to a very reasonable $ contract, 7

years long and with no voidable years. VY will be $25 mil bonus on a 4 year contract.
I hate to keep repeating myself, just as Im sure WMI is, about these same issues in basically the same threads over and over, but McNair's situation is completely different from Young/Leinart's. The compensation for a top 5 pick has gone up DRAMATICALLY, and Fisher does not have the job security to sit a top 5 pick for 2 years. Its that simple.

Pretty much, you can assume what happened 11 years ago has no bearing on a decision today, even if the same people are involved.
I do not believe Fishers Future employment is going to force him to pick Matt over Vince if he thinks Vince is a better long term QB.Fisher knows if the Titans were to let him go he would be able to land any open HC job that will be avail next season.
Which is great, but Floyd Reese doesnt have that same security, and hes the one making the selection, not Fisher.
 
I dont believe it at all.

Leinart, Cutler.....Young.
You cant be serious .Cutler is way , way , way , way overrated he will be a bust, a cant miss bust .

Let the Jets take him .
Beautiful logic aside, yes, Im serious. And the question was, who do I think the Titans will take, not how do I rank them.

 
I believe in Matt, gave away Mike Williams and both my rookie picks in 2007 for him....used Kevin Jones and both 2006 picks to get reggie

bye bye lions, hello trojans..NOW the lions will be NFC champs

 

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