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Do you feel you witnessed quality football this past weekend? (1 Viewer)
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Every year. The years your teams are more effected it seem worse.
Many of the players getting hurt are older, or were coming off of injury entering the season. Some are new injuries.
Observing it more doesn’t mean it’s more frequent or greater in number. Yet every year about week 4-5 folks start marveling at the number and frequency of injury, I am guilty of this myself. Last year 60% of my team was hurt by week 3 and all I kept thinking was how crazy it was that there were so many injuries.
But reality is that FF is a game of attrition as much as a game of skill, and has been for the decades I’ve played it.
Football is a dangerous sport. Players get hurt.
Every year.
Yes. This many, this severe, and this many skill position players.
Every year. The years your teams are more effected it seem worse.
Many of the players getting hurt are older, or were coming off of injury entering the season. Some are new injuries.
Observing it more doesn’t mean it’s more frequent or greater in number. Yet every year about week 4-5 folks start marveling at the number and frequency of injury, I am guilty of this myself. Last year 60% of my team was hurt by week 3 and all I kept thinking was how crazy it was that there were so many injuries.
But reality is that FF is a game of attrition as much as a game of skill, and has been for the decades I’ve played it.
Football is a dangerous sport. Players get hurt.
Every year.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Maybe its lack of quality control versus lack of quality.
What I mean is that pre-season has be squashed by the CBA so the first 4 games of the season are chaos. Its been that way for the last several years but this year it feels "institutionally true".
I believe there is enough room within the existing model to see a large number of shootouts, a handful of lopsided contents and a sprinkling of best defense wins even in the pass friendly environment that is the nfl...but I also think the end product would be better in the first quarter of the season if preseason was tweaked backwards in time.
Given the player / owner conspiracy to maximize revenue and minimize risk, I'm not sure that things will ever go back again and that we are permanently stuck with bad early season football.
What I mean is that pre-season has be squashed by the CBA so the first 4 games of the season are chaos. Its been that way for the last several years but this year it feels "institutionally true".
I believe there is enough room within the existing model to see a large number of shootouts, a handful of lopsided contents and a sprinkling of best defense wins even in the pass friendly environment that is the nfl...but I also think the end product would be better in the first quarter of the season if preseason was tweaked backwards in time.
Given the player / owner conspiracy to maximize revenue and minimize risk, I'm not sure that things will ever go back again and that we are permanently stuck with bad early season football.
No, and you obviously aren't even reading before commenting because I said "I don't mean just skill position players." Has nothing to do with my players or my team either. Let's just agree to disagree.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
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And I’m saying that every year about this time, people marvel at the number of injuries.
I am guilty of it myself.
If your position is that I’m wrong, then the onus is on you to produce evidence that injuries are in fact greater this year than any other, at this time of year.
Agreeing to disagree is just a passive aggressive way of dismissing my position in favor of yours.
You’re saying there are more injuries. Ok, that’s something that can be proved. Show your work.
read it perfectly.
And I’m saying that every year about this time, people marvel at the number of injuries.
I am guilty of it myself.
If your position is that I’m wrong, then the onus is on you to produce evidence that injuries are in fact greater this year than any other, at this time of year.
Agreeing to disagree is just a passive aggressive way of dismissing my position in favor of yours.
You’re saying there are more injuries. Ok, that’s something that can be proved. Show your work.
My thought - Football is the best it's ever been. Extremely pleased with the current state of the product and the ratings seem to indicate lots of people agree.
I don't think so. Agreeing to disagree is by far the preferred way to end a discussion when it's clear the two sides don't agree. If more people did this, the forum would have way more talk on the topic and way less posters bickering about each other.
Please do more agreeing to disagree.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The football is as good as ever. It is basic physics with injuries. We are watching 250lb-300lb men on defense who can run faster than the RBs and WRs of the 70s. They are bigger strong, faster. We have players on offense who are 180-220 lbs who can run 4.4 40s.
Combine the size and speed on both sides of the ball playing on a turf field with violent collisions and something is going to give. It won`t be the field, it will be brains, bones, tendons and ligaments. The human body was not meant for those type of collisions week in and week out. That is not counting practice.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
We’ll have to agree to disagree about this one. It’s a logical fallacy.
But I will defer to your suggestion.
Dizzy
Footballguy
I only watch for the fantasy aspect. Not sure if it's because I have been playing FF for 30+ years, or the product has gotten worse (maybe both).
I will say this... the camera work is phenomenal now, and that has sucked all of the life out of it for me. The whole "Was it catch or not? ... "Was he over the line before the knee touched?" ... "Did he get that second foot in?" stuff has killed the emotion for me.
It's why I watch the Manning Bros... I like listening to them BS while the game goes on in the background. When it's over just tell me what the stats are.
I will say this... the camera work is phenomenal now, and that has sucked all of the life out of it for me. The whole "Was it catch or not? ... "Was he over the line before the knee touched?" ... "Did he get that second foot in?" stuff has killed the emotion for me.
It's why I watch the Manning Bros... I like listening to them BS while the game goes on in the background. When it's over just tell me what the stats are.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
After seeing ManningCast I cannot imagine why anyone would possibly tune into the regular broadcast. The interview/guests are great, and the Mannings are funny as hell.
I accidentally watched the 1st quarter on ESPN1 on Monday and it was torture to the ears.
I enjoy the product on the field, and the evolution of the game doesn't have me doing the old man shakes fist at cloud as much as it does for some around these parts. It's still football, and there are still good and bad defenses.
I also don't mind replay, as long as at the end of the day they get the calls right. It's the judgement calls that they get wrong that particularly bother me - but that's also because I like to modestly wager on the sport week to week, and bowing a DPI or OPI, or seeing a phantom hold or missing a blatant one can so dramatically effect a game's outcome. I just want the right call to be made.
And with all that great camera work you describe, it seems like those are all calls they should be able to get right every time. I don't care if the Refs go under the hood 20x a game - if they're not sure they have the right call, they should review it themselves, like turnovers and scoring is automatically reviewed. They missed a 12-men on the field penalty in week 4. How do you possibly miss that one when you have line judges? What game were the line judges watching when that happened?!
Ok, /rant
Hard to say if it's as good as ever- we're certainly seeing more of it than ever, and some of it is very good, but there's quite a bit of bad as well.
But yeah, the injuries are perfectly logical, and it doesn't seem like the trajectory is going to change much anytime soon.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I agree, there has always been and always will be some bad football. We are just exposed to many more games now. Fans think that every Monday and Thursday night games should be thrillers or barnburners. That is not reality as every Sunday afternoon has stinkers that are overlooked as there are other games to switch to.
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Capella
Footballguy
Ratings seem to be higher than expected so I’d assume he’s thrilled.
I do find the "lower scores = bad football" argument interesting.
Chemical X
Footballguy
to me, 1/2 the starting qbs in the league are below average. these are regular starters. then mix in the injuries and 2nd and 3rd stringers forced to play and you are seeing some dreadful offencive football. short weeks hurt game planning, making things more vanilla. teams are forced to immediately play young qbs due to the salary cap.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Hard to argue with this.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
On a fantasy football site, there is a selection bias toward people who would prefer to see high-scoring games.
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