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Do you get sick days, if so how many? (1 Viewer)

fantasycurse42 said:
Tech companies are the smartest companies - majority of them offer 'unlimited' time off.

Here is the caveat - studies show employees take less time off in this situation and employees don't acrue time either.
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Funny, I didn't read page 2 responses before responding.  You described us to a T.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
No you should roll over your sick days, that's my point.  How would accruing a bunch of sick days be gaming the system if it counts towards your retirement?  If you have 2087 sick hours at retirement you get 1% added to your annuity, how is that not genius?  If I'm sick I use regular vacation time usually, I only use sick hours for appointments and stuff.
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Some would call this gaming the system because there's a maximum carry over of normal leave but not sick days.  I don't really care as those are your vacation days - if you want to consider being home sick a "vacation" have at it.

Agreed with your point for most people who have a small amount of sick days after many years of federal service but there are exceptions.  For example, one of my employees is a single mom with 3 kids (dad is a scumbag). She takes most of her sick leave every year because of her kids. I try to give her comp time so she can save a few hours but her schedule has limited flexibility.   Two others in our larger office have had long term illnesses (one cancer). 

Right now I get unlimited sick leave and 30 days each year normal leave.  In a few months I'll most likely transition to the federal civilian workforce. 

Eta: if my coworkers are sick, I want them taking the day off.  Don't infect the rest of the team if you can help it and nobody performs at the best when ill.

 
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Technically none. Its all PTO, use it how you wish. I think I get 24 days a year. You can carry up to ten days over.....I never do. If I have time left, I take it off between Christmas and New Year's. I expect to carry over one day this year. 

 
teacher

get 20 sick days and 3 personal days. They roll over every year and max at 200. Ive had 200 sick days for a good 5 years now, probably more

 
Unlimited sick days, haven't taken any in 14 years. If I feel myself starting to get sick I do a special healing meditation 3-4 times a day. Amazing what the mind is capable of. 

 
McGarnicle said:
Unlimited sick days, haven't taken any in 14 years. If I feel myself starting to get sick I do a special healing meditation 3-4 times a day. Amazing what the mind is capable of. 
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Not sure if this is schtick, but I believe in it. I rarely get sick and many times I've "convinced" myself that I wasn't getting sick and felt better by the end of the day. 

 
Dan Lambskin said:
Not even sure we have a formal policy at my new place but my boss is the "just do what you need to do and dont let vacation days hinder you" type of guy 

Previous place used to give 6 PTO that got paid out if unused but then did away with that.  Also instituted a time clock for salary workers...anything over 40 hrs a month was banked for stuff like sick days, appointment,  etc (max 20 hrs a month carryover) 

Rarely sick though... think I've maybe taken 5 sick days in 15 years of professional work
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What do you do if you have a medical or dental appt? 

 
Doctor Detroit said:
What do you do if you have a medical or dental appt? 
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Just go to it.  I'm salary so I still have to get my work done one way or anothet.  Need to leave early, cool.  Need to put in a week of 16 hour days to get some project done, that's expected too.  

That's how most places I've worked has been aside from a year of the time clock 

 
Frostillicus said:
I just had a co-worker tell me he's never used a sick day in 13 years.  No idea why that's something to be proud of.  We have sick days for a reason.  Stay home when you're sick so you don't infect everyone else, ####er.
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So conscientious people that try to take care of themselves: eat right, drink in moderation, don't smoke and get proper rest in order to be a depenble employee are ridiculed?  I want this type of employee if I run a for profit business, work from home when u r not feeling well so not to spread germs but showing up is a big part of life.

 
snogger said:
No sick days.. But really don't need them.

1st reason, I get 5 weeks of vacation a year..

Don't have the money to take 5 vacations, so end up being "forced" to take a day off here and there so I don't Max out.

2nd reason .. I work from home :)

so unless I'm in the hospital what else am I going to do when I'm sick but sit on the computer any ways.
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That's where I'm at as well if you add 9 holidays, but only one wfh day per week.   I hardly take week+ vacations so I pretty much take a day off every other week throughout the year.  If I was taking sick days as well, that might be a little much even for the slacker that I am.   My mentality is to suck as much as I can both written and unwritten from my job, but you still have to be smart about it.  

 
No formal policy, just don't abuse it is what my boss says.  Saying that I haven't had a sick day for two years, not trying to be a hero, just know if I'm not here more work will be there for me when I return...Do use all my vacation days, boss was being a little difficult for the days I wanted to take next week because we are short handed (for some reason can hire sales/marketing people but can't hire engineers/operations people...) but our policy is use the days or lose them.  I asked if I could be paid out if didn't take them and he said no, so I'm taking them...

 
25 generic PTO days. We can carry over up to 5 from year to year and we can also purchase an additional week if we want.

Lots of people end up taking all kinds of random days off at the end of the year  (which is easily the busiest time in my industry ) so that we don't lose days. i didn't take a week long vacation this year so I'm gonna end up not using a couple of days .  stupid on my part but it's just so damn annoying coming back into the office to 2 days worth of missed emails 

 
12 sick 3 personal/ year. Sick rolls over personal doesn't. Can't cash them in or anything at retirement so plan on having a lot of 2-3 day work weeks my last year.

 
Companies not paying you out for unused days seems pretty dumb at face value to me.  I understand you don't want people burning out, but who the hell needs 5 weeks of vacation.  If you have a week left at the end of the year and you'd rather have people working b/c its a busy time, just pay it out.  

 
Raging weasel said:
12 sick 3 personal/ year. Sick rolls over personal doesn't. Can't cash them in or anything at retirement so plan on having a lot of 2-3 day work weeks my last year.
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My dad is a vice principal and he tells me of teachers that literally take their whole last year off b/c they have that many days accrued.   

 
FUBAR said:
Some would call this gaming the system because there's a maximum carry over of normal leave but not sick days.  I don't really care as those are your vacation days - if you want to consider being home sick a "vacation" have at it.

Eta: if my coworkers are sick, I want them taking the day off.  Don't infect the rest of the team if you can help it and nobody performs at the best when ill.
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It's not gaming the system as a fed, it's logic. If someone has a long term illness and runs out of sick leave, they're SOL. 

Agree with your eta

 
Work for a not-for-profit health care system. We get separate buckets for vacation and sick days; holidays (10 a year). The longer you are with the company the more you accrue until 10 years where you max out. I've been here 16 years and accrue 10 sick days and 20 vacation days a year; we also get 1 personal day a year. That's 33 days a year. There are usually about 10 paid holidays a year.

ETA - vacation time is the only time that rolls over and we are capped for sick time at the number of years you've worked for the organization times 20.

 
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elguapo07 said:
So conscientious people that try to take care of themselves: eat right, drink in moderation, don't smoke and get proper rest in order to be a depenble employee are ridiculed?  I want this type of employee if I run a for profit business, work from home when u r not feeling well so not to spread germs but showing up is a big part of life.
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I have no idea how you got that from my post.

 
Officially we are unlimited. However it is closely monitored and if you exceed a complex set of scenarios then you are placed on an Attendance Program. At which point you then need to meet a more stringent set of attendance rules to get off that program. If you don't then you get moved to Level 2 of the Attendance Program...then Level 3....and after that you are risking being terminated.

It sounds harsh when I write it out but in reality since it takes an entire year of poor attendance to move on to the program and then through each level, you could in theory abuse the system for almost 4 years before getting fired.

I work at a Canadian hospital. So that makes me a federal employee.

 
arrow1 said:
bueno said:
Self-employed people don't get to be sick.
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This.  All my sick days and vacation days are unpaid days off.
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Yup. There are upsides and down. I work for myself at home, and can generally do whatever / whenever. Golf on a weekday afternoon when the course is empty? No problem. Doctor's appointments / go to the store? Just go. 

The downside is, I do all the work, and it has to get done, period. If I don't produce, I don't earn. There are no paid sick days / paid vacation / etc.  

 
TLEF316 said:
25 generic PTO days. We can carry over up to 5 from year to year and we can also purchase an additional week if we want.

Lots of people end up taking all kinds of random days off at the end of the year  (which is easily the busiest time in my industry ) so that we don't lose days. i didn't take a week long vacation this year so I'm gonna end up not using a couple of days .  stupid on my part but it's just so damn annoying coming back into the office to 2 days worth of missed emails 
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You serious?  :lmao:

 
Doctor Detroit said:
It's not gaming the system as a fed, it's logic. If someone has a long term illness and runs out of sick leave, they're SOL. 

Agree with your eta
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Maybe, but the leave sharing is supposed to help with that.  I have no idea if it works, as right now I can't contribute even though I get the emails every few weeks. (stupid "Xgroup-all" emails)

 
SkyRattlers said:
Officially we are unlimited. However it is closely monitored and if you exceed a complex set of scenarios then you are placed on an Attendance Program. At which point you then need to meet a more stringent set of attendance rules to get off that program. If you don't then you get moved to Level 2 of the Attendance Program...then Level 3....and after that you are risking being terminated.

It sounds harsh when I write it out but in reality since it takes an entire year of poor attendance to move on to the program and then through each level, you could in theory abuse the system for almost 4 years before getting fired.

I work at a Canadian hospital. So that makes me a federal employee.
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but is there double-secret probation?

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Tech companies are the smartest companies - majority of them offer 'unlimited' time off.

Here is the caveat - studies show employees take less time off in this situation and employees don't acrue time either.
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This is my company.  We have no formal PTO policy.  Except our managers are supposed to make sure we take at least 2 weeks off during the year.  They're actually pretty adamant about it, too.  But we have no distinct "sick" or vacation days.

 
Judge Smails said:
I can't recall ever taking a formal sick day....
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I left Ford and have been on my own for almost 15 years now so any days I am "sick" I can make calls from home for the most part.   When I was at Ford on top of vacation I had 7 sick days a year, in my whole career there I probably was really sick maybe 1-2 days.  When I did miss it was because I was exhausted from a long weekend or really hungover from staying out too late on a week night when I was in my 20s.

They changed the policy to eliminate sick days and just call them personal days to use whenever you wanted and whatever you did not use you got paid at the end of the year. I would only use 1-2 a year for appointments or whatever so it was nice getting another weeks pay between Christmas and New Years.

 
SkyRattlers said:
Officially we are unlimited. However it is closely monitored and if you exceed a complex set of scenarios then you are placed on an Attendance Program. At which point you then need to meet a more stringent set of attendance rules to get off that program. If you don't then you get moved to Level 2 of the Attendance Program...then Level 3....and after that you are risking being terminated.

It sounds harsh when I write it out but in reality since it takes an entire year of poor attendance to move on to the program and then through each level, you could in theory abuse the system for almost 4 years before getting fired.

I work at a Canadian hospital. So that makes me a federal employee.
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At what point do you get put on double secret probation?

edit: GD new page!!!

 
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I have unlimited sick and vacation days.  I work for a private company that supports many federal government agencies.

 
State---Not designated sick time but just called PTO--I get 3 days a month and then 4 hours of extended PTO which goes into a bank in case of something catastrophic---I have like 400 hours in that extended bank. 

 
We earn 1.5 vacation days a month and 1.8 sick days a month.  We can bank up to 35 vacation days before we start losing them and 120 sick days before we start losing them.  We allowed to go over that amount until the end of the calendar year at which point they are erased....so I'm at something like 128 sick days right now., but will lose those 8 on Jan. 1. 

 
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Doctor Detroit said:
I just sent an email to my staff today telling them how to properly use sick leave as a federal employee.  We get 13 days a year and you can carry over every single hour from year to year until you retire. 

I average 28 sick hours per year, or about four days.  This includes dentist appointments, sick kids, my annual contraction of gonorrhea, etc.  I have an employee with 15 years as a fed who has 49 sick hours available, he has accrued 1500+ hours over his career.  That's a dirtbag, that's someone cutting corners.  I can look at an employee's sick hour status, how long they've been in service, and what they are using their sick hours for in the first 6 months I'm their boss and know what kind of employee they are.  If you have 15 years of service and never had cancer, you should have at least 10 weeks of saved sick leave (400 hours).  If you don't, you're a dirtbag. 
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Dirtbag, eh? What do you call an employee with 80K+ posts on a message board?

 
Unlimited paid sick days.  But monitored by management for "abuse".  We won't put a number on the days because then everyone would just "use all their sick days" or we wouldn't be able to offer flexibility in extreme cases.  We are an employee owned company so maybe the atmosphere is different, but no one really abuses it.  I think I average maybe 1 sick day a year.  That being said, we have 100% short term disability and when I tore my knee up very bad I ended up missing 5 out of 6 months due to multiple surgeries, rehab, etc.  I was still paid at 100% for that time period.  That's pretty awesome and saved my family from experieincing any other financial difficulties during that time.  Our medical is still 100% paid by the company.  It's a pretty good company to work for.

 
Judge Smails said:
"Unlimited" sick time/PTO is the new thing.  Companies don't have to carry the accrued liability on their books.
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Never understood this.  It goes from a known liability to an unknown.  I'm not sure how that helps account for it.

We got our yearly carryover cut down and went to PTO instead of vacation+sick leave to reduce the amount of unknown liability from year to year.  We suggested to the CFO that they should just setup a segregated account to hold the known liability associated with carryover and this unknown problem would go away.  Accounting didn't bite on it.

 
Financial services company. We get combined PTO, and then there's a separate short-term disability that kicks in if you exhaust PTO.

I've been here forever, so I'm getting 256 hours/year of PTO, and can carry over up to 80 hours. 

 
heckmanm said:
Financial services company. We get combined PTO, and then there's a separate short-term disability that kicks in if you exhaust PTO.

I've been here forever, so I'm getting 256 hours/year of PTO, and can carry over up to 80 hours. 
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Over 6 weeks? Geeze, how long have you been there? I had no idea people were getting this kind of PTO. What kind of salary are we talking here?

 
sublimeone said:
Over 6 weeks? Geeze, how long have you been there? I had no idea people were getting this kind of PTO. What kind of salary are we talking here?
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Just passed the 27-year mark. From 1-4 years, you get 17 days. From 5-10 you get 22 days, and they add on gradually from there. It maxes out at 32 days after 25 years.

 
NutterButter said:
My dad is a vice principal and he tells me of teachers that literally take their whole last year off b/c they have that many days accrued.   
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My Dad was a fireman - 24 hr. on 48 hr. off - all PTO could be accrued.  Guys would retire 1.5-2 years early since they would have 180-240 days accrued.

 
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