Doctor: Palmer's injury potentially career ending (2 Viewers)

[gbill2004]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-b...ov=ap&type=lgns

Doctor says Palmer's injury 'devastating'

By JOE KAY, AP Sports Writer

January 12, 2006

CINCINNATI (AP) -- Carson Palmer's knee injury was "devastating and potentially career-ending," involving numerous ligament tears, a shredded ligament, damaged cartilage and a dislocated kneecap, his surgeon said Thursday.

 

[redman]

The article in a nutshell:

The team announced that he had torn the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments. The damage was much more extensive and severe, but Dr. Lonnie Paulos said surgery went well and Palmer could be back for the start of the season.

 

[BGP]

I hope not. I'm a Browns fan but that is just horrible, horrible news. I wish him a full recovery. :(And no, he's not on my fantasy team, either.

 

[Garts]

This article contradicts itself...saying his career may be over but he should be back. Whatever.

 

[top dog]

Nothing like leaving out some parts to make it sound worse..From the same article...

The damage was much more extensive and severe, but Dr. Lonnie Paulos said surgery went well and Palmer could be back for the start of the season.

It's not just like it was a torn ACL," Paulos said Thursday, in a phone interview from Houston. "It's a magnitude more difficult to recover from and repair. It can and has ended careers, without a doubt. "However, I feel very comfortable with Carson as an athlete and the heart that he's got. In the end, that's the bottom line. I can see the look in his eye already. He's ready to get going."

Paulos was able to repair the knee without removing pieces of cartilage or soft tissue, a good sign. "The things that were torn could be repaired," he said. "They were not torn beyond repair. So he's got all his parts in there, which is good. We're optimistic, actually." If rehabilitation goes well, Palmer could be running in a couple of months and might be able to play in the first regular season game, Paulos said. The 2006 schedule hasn't been set.

 

[gbill2004]

The article in a nutshell:

The team announced that he had torn the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments. The damage was much more extensive and severe, but Dr. Lonnie Paulos said surgery went well and Palmer could be back for the start of the season.

Obviously you are a Palmer owner, because thats not how I would sum up the article.

 

[redman]

The article in a nutshell:

The team announced that he had torn the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments. The damage was much more extensive and severe, but Dr. Lonnie Paulos said surgery went well and Palmer could be back for the start of the season.

Obviously you are a Palmer owner, because thats not how I would sum up the article.

Nope. I'm also not a Cincy fan.

 

[QuizGuy66]

The article does not contradict itself - the doctor says this type of injury has ended careers but that in Palmer's case the surgery should lead to a recovery in time for next season. Actually this was the rare case of the detailing of an injury like this - instead of the usual "the surgery went well" jazz. Anyhow as a Bengals fan and Palmer owner this is a huge red flag for next season. While I was hoping next season would be the step up to the Super Bowl, my enthusiasms a bit more tempered and I'll feel fortunate with a return to the playoffs. Now for SB XLII, that one we gotta go! Who Dey-QG

 

[Weiner Dog]

This part scares me...



The surgeon said the injury was off the chart. "On a scale of one to three, it was a four," he said. "It was off the chart. It was pretty badly damaged - shredded is the better term." If rehabilitation goes well, Palmer could be running in a couple of months and might be able to play in the first regular season game, Paulos said.

 

[metsjets91]

if this does effect his long term future, the bengals are screwed. I hope theres an injury clause in his contract

 

[Mike Crimes]

The saddest thing to me is that he was a very talented young QB who was already the "latest and greatest" and appeared to have petential to be one of the few greats. Granted, only a season and some change, but he appeared poised to do great things. I hope he will be back in full force in 06.

 

[Weiner Dog]

The saddest thing to me is that he was a very talented young QB who was already the "latest and greatest" and appeared to have petential to be one of the few greats. Granted, only a season and some change, but he appeared poised to do great things.

I hope he will be back in full force in 06.

 

[malaka]

I am sure the Bengals are smart enough, I hate for him to be rushed back. First game of the season might be pushing it. Give him time,he has the heart and the ability to come back just don't rush it.

 

[cstu]

Here's to Palmer taking as long as he needs to come back 100%. As one of the few QB's to come out of the draft the past few years and be very successful, I hope that he makes it back all the way.If there's any good news to take away from his injury, it's that at least he's a QB and doesn't need to run with his legs to make plays.

 

[DrJ]

That sounds painful.

 

[malaka]

Ok, just a heads up Palmer's surgeon on the radio said the surgery went fine, he expects Palmer back on the field. The career ending stuff was taken out of context, he said any knee injury is potential career ending, but its not the case here. Bengal and fantasy owners relax, its going to be a long rehab but its not career ending.

 

[King of the Jungle]

It is a case of a DR trying to make himself look like a hero. Now when Palmer comes back to play next season, the DR will have his name assigned to that success. READ BETWEEN THE LINES.

 

[Gr00vus]

It is a case of a DR trying to make himself look like a hero. Now when Palmer comes back to play next season, the DR will have his name assigned to that success. READ BETWEEN THE LINES.

Bonafide medical doctors ARE heros. Well most of them anyway. I was going to except plastic surgeons, but then I remembered I'm a fan of some of their work too. I don't see where there are lines to read between, the prognosis is the knee was jacked up in just about every way possible. Like CSTU mentioned Palmer's a qb so the knee pretty much just has to be good enough to stand on (somewhat of an understatement I know) for him to be effective - so in some cases (read most other positions) it would be career threatening, in this case it probably isn't.Good thing they hung on to Kitna though eh? Wonder if they'll resign him...

 

[pinequick]

It is a case of a DR trying to make himself look like a hero. Now when Palmer comes back to play next season, the DR will have his name assigned to that success. READ BETWEEN THE LINES.

Other fun quotes from this doctor:"I have an M.D. from Harvard, I am board certified in orthopedic surgery, I have been awarded citations from seven different medical boards in New England, and I am never, ever sick at sea. So I ask you; when someone goes into that chapel and they fall on their knees and they pray to God that their fantasy team's quarterback doesn't miss next season or that their stud running back will be back for their league's playoffs, who do you think they're praying to? Now, go ahead and read your Bible, and you go to your church, and, with any luck, you might win the annual raffle, but if you're looking for God, he was in operating room number two on January 11th, and he doesn't like to be second guessed. You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something: I am God."

 

[Bri]

This part scares me...



The surgeon said the injury was off the chart. "On a scale of one to three, it was a four," he said. "It was off the chart. It was pretty badly damaged - shredded is the better term." If rehabilitation goes well, Palmer could be running in a couple of months and might be able to play in the first regular season game, Paulos said.

they take a piece of his hamstring to replace it anyway. What does it matter what his old ACL looked like?

 

[fruity pebbles]

It is a case of a DR trying to make himself look like a hero.  Now when Palmer comes back to play next season, the DR will have his name assigned to that success. READ BETWEEN THE LINES.

Bonafide medical doctors ARE heros. Well most of them anyway. I was going to except plastic surgeons, but then I remembered I'm a fan of some of their work too. I don't see where there are lines to read between, the prognosis is the knee was jacked up in just about every way possible. Like CSTU mentioned Palmer's a qb so the knee pretty much just has to be good enough to stand on (somewhat of an understatement I know) for him to be effective - so in some cases (read most other positions) it would be career threatening, in this case it probably isn't.Good thing they hung on to Kitna though eh? Wonder if they'll resign him...

A good percentage of surgeons are a-holes as well and act like children in the OR and outside it as well.

 

[gman8343]

It is a case of a DR trying to make himself look like a hero.  Now when Palmer comes back to play next season, the DR will have his name assigned to that success. READ BETWEEN THE LINES.

Bonafide medical doctors ARE heros. Well most of them anyway. I was going to except plastic surgeons, but then I remembered I'm a fan of some of their work too. I don't see where there are lines to read between, the prognosis is the knee was jacked up in just about every way possible. Like CSTU mentioned Palmer's a qb so the knee pretty much just has to be good enough to stand on (somewhat of an understatement I know) for him to be effective - so in some cases (read most other positions) it would be career threatening, in this case it probably isn't.Good thing they hung on to Kitna though eh? Wonder if they'll resign him...

A good percentage of surgeons are a-holes as well and act like children in the OR and outside it as well.

Especially ones that look like Alec Baldwin!

 

[fruity pebbles]

It is a case of a DR trying to make himself look like a hero.  Now when Palmer comes back to play next season, the DR will have his name assigned to that success. READ BETWEEN THE LINES.

Bonafide medical doctors ARE heros. Well most of them anyway. I was going to except plastic surgeons, but then I remembered I'm a fan of some of their work too. I don't see where there are lines to read between, the prognosis is the knee was jacked up in just about every way possible. Like CSTU mentioned Palmer's a qb so the knee pretty much just has to be good enough to stand on (somewhat of an understatement I know) for him to be effective - so in some cases (read most other positions) it would be career threatening, in this case it probably isn't.Good thing they hung on to Kitna though eh? Wonder if they'll resign him...

A good percentage of surgeons are a-holes as well and act like children in the OR and outside it as well.

Especially ones that look like Alec Baldwin!

the stories I could tell

 

[Koya]

Terrible, terrible news.Basically, this was a DISASTROUS injury. CAN someone come back from it? Yes. Is it likely? Well, Palmer has a big heart.That didnt really answer the question, did it?Hopefully Palmer can make it back, and it is certainly possible. But people trying to play this off like it is a routine (even routine severe) knee injury are not being honest with themselves. Right now, there is a significant chance that Palmers career is over, and a more significant chance that the injury is severe enough to need extended rehab with, I suppose, an additional risk that while Palmer might recover, he could be limited short or long term and certainly is at a higher injury risk from here out.I truly hope he beats the odds.

 

[Bri]

I think you're being dramatic and missing the fact that the doctor changed his story and his ego came out. IE BEFORE the surgery it was sort of ordinary. James Andrews, the revered unofficial NFL surgeon has a heart attack. He performs surgery and now if he comes back from this injury it's because he did such a great job on the surgery and....me, me, me.

 

[fruity pebbles]

It'll take time but he'll be fine. He's a pocket passer anyways. Knee will have to hold up to weight transfer and some movement in the pocket but it's not like he's going to have to make full speed cuts on the thing.

 

[SofaKings.]

I felt sick to my stomach watching the play unfold on Sunday. I truly hope he can recover.

 

[BigJim®]

It is a case of a DR trying to make himself look like a hero.  Now when Palmer comes back to play next season, the DR will have his name assigned to that success. READ BETWEEN THE LINES.

Other fun quotes from this doctor:"I have an M.D. from Harvard, I am board certified in orthopedic surgery, I have been awarded citations from seven different medical boards in New England, and I am never, ever sick at sea. So I ask you; when someone goes into that chapel and they fall on their knees and they pray to God that their fantasy team's quarterback doesn't miss next season or that their stud running back will be back for their league's playoffs, who do you think they're praying to? Now, go ahead and read your Bible, and you go to your church, and, with any luck, you might win the annual raffle, but if you're looking for God, he was in operating room number two on January 11th, and he doesn't like to be second guessed. You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something: I am God."

Gotta love the chatty doc who's standing in for Andrews. Just can't wait to tell the world about his conquest. It's not real often a guy gets to read about all the spaghetti inside his star QB's knee. I just wish Andrews could have been playing God instead of Dr. blabbermouth.

 

[fatness]

That sounds painful.

Yeah, it does

"numerous ligament tears, a shredded ligament, damaged cartilage and a dislocated kneecap"

 

[Weiner Dog]

If McGahee (ie. the self-proclaimed best RB in the NFL) can rebound from his knee injury, I would assume a QB could also.

Legs are no higher than 4th on the QB priority scale...

1. Leadership ability

2. Decision-making skills

3. Physical arm strength

4. ???

Palmer's knee injury did not deplete any of the above-listed traits.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Hopefully Palmer's contract from a couple of weeks ago for $118 was signed by all parties.I didn't see it in the link, but I could have sworn they said he dislocated his kneecap on ESPN1000 today.If that's true, it took Marc Colombo over two years to return from that, and he's not the same player anymore...

 

[Guzalot]

If he was a RB or a QB in the mold of Vick I'd be worried; but with his arm, accuracy, and decision making ability he'll do just fine. The last time I checked his arm was just fine. And no, I'm neither a Palmer owner nor a Bengals fan. I do, however, know talent when I see it.

 

[Garts]

Hopefully Palmer's contract from a couple of weeks ago for $118 was signed by all parties.

I didn't see it in the link, but I could have sworn they said he dislocated his kneecap on ESPN1000 today.

If that's true, it took Marc Colombo over two years to return from that, and he's not the same player anymore...

He's an OT who relies on his legs and plays with his knees bent while taking on 300 lb. DL all of the time. A tad different then what Palmer wil have to deal with dropping back topass me thinks.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Kitna will be a free agent. Do they re-sign him, or does he go somewhere else where he could compete for playing time.

 

[jeff_eaglz]

This part scares me...



The surgeon said the injury was off the chart. "On a scale of one to three, it was a four," he said. "It was off the chart. It was pretty badly damaged - shredded is the better term." If rehabilitation goes well, Palmer could be running in a couple of months and might be able to play in the first regular season game, Paulos said.

they take a piece of his hamstring to replace it anyway. What does it matter what his old ACL looked like?

Not to get too medical on ya, but I had an ACL replaced a few years ago. They (at least at that time) took the central third of the tendon between the front of the kneecap and a piece of the fibula, then screw that segment in place of where the old ACL was.And the hamstring is a muscle, not a tendon.

That would hurt like hell and also make the recovery much harder.

My surgery was done by the Ravens' surgeon, who still works the sideline on gamedays.

 

[WhoDat]

Kitna will be a free agent. Do they re-sign him, or does he go somewhere else where he could compete for playing time.

The swiftness with which the Bengals could opt to sign Kitna would be a small indicator of Palmer's situation, opinion, if and when the time comes. I know Kitna wants to shop around but should the Bengals come quickly with a decent offer it would lead me to believe Palmer might have a potentially long rehab. Given the recent financial investment the team made in Palmer, somehow I do not think he is rushed back. As a Palmer owner, this is not the type of post op dialogue I was hoping to hear from the surgeon. The guy's comments are worse than what most politicians throw out. If it is so devastating, then how will Palmer play at the start of the season? Doctor danced a nice jig; got up and is setting on the fence, while enjoying a few of his 15 minutes of fame, opinion. Until the team makes a statement I am going to take the Doctor's response with a grain of salt and wish Palmer the best. The doctor said enough to make himself look good in the case of Palmer recoverying right away or not recovering at all, which is almost as good as saying nothing.

 

[fruity pebbles]

This part scares me...



The surgeon said the injury was off the chart. "On a scale of one to three, it was a four," he said. "It was off the chart. It was pretty badly damaged - shredded is the better term." If rehabilitation goes well, Palmer could be running in a couple of months and might be able to play in the first regular season game, Paulos said.

they take a piece of his hamstring to replace it anyway. What does it matter what his old ACL looked like?

Not to get too medical on ya, but I had an ACL replaced a few years ago. They (at least at that time) took the central third of the tendon between the front of the kneecap and a piece of the fibula, then screw that segment in place of where the old ACL was.And the hamstring is a muscle, not a tendon.

That would hurt like hell and also make the recovery much harder.

My surgery was done by the Ravens' surgeon, who still works the sideline on gamedays.

They can use either the patella or hamstring tendon, actually two tendons from the hamstring I believe. Since he dislocated his knee cap I wouldn't be surprised if they went the hamstring route.

 

[Koya]

Kitna will be a free agent. Do they re-sign him, or does he go somewhere else where he could compete for playing time.

The swiftness with which the Bengals could opt to sign Kitna would be a small indicator of Palmer's situation, opinion, if and when the time comes. I know Kitna wants to shop around but should the Bengals come quickly with a decent offer it would lead me to believe Palmer might have a potentially long rehab. Given the recent financial investment the team made in Palmer, somehow I do not think he is rushed back. As a Palmer owner, this is not the type of post op dialogue I was hoping to hear from the surgeon. The guy's comments are worse than what most politicians throw out. If it is so devastating, then how will Palmer play at the start of the season? Doctor danced a nice jig; got up and is setting on the fence, while enjoying a few of his 15 minutes of fame, opinion.

Until the team makes a statement I am going to take the Doctor's response with a grain of salt and wish Palmer the best. The doctor said enough to make himself look good in the case of Palmer recoverying right away or not recovering at all, which is almost as good as saying nothing.

If they are worried Palmer might be done, they are going to need a lot better than Kitna.

 

[Garts]

If McGahee can come back...and he's a RB, why can't Palmer??

 

[WhoDat]

If they are worried Palmer might be done, they are going to need a lot better than Kitna.

Without a doubt. I am with you but Palmer's contract will see the team let this run a course over 12-18 months. They cannot afford to run right out and sign another A flight QB. The economics of the situation will not let them do so.However, if they take that course of action, I have a number of dynasty teams that are in big trouble, as that will be a HUGE indicator of how bad Palmer's situation really is.

 

[Bri]

kitna's leaving. He said something along the lines of "God told me to" and ...well he's leaving.

 

[Shark Attack]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-b...ov=ap&type=lgns

Doctor says Palmer's injury 'devastating'

By JOE KAY, AP Sports Writer

January 12, 2006

CINCINNATI (AP) -- Carson Palmer's knee injury was "devastating and potentially career-ending," involving numerous ligament tears, a shredded ligament, damaged cartilage and a dislocated kneecap, his surgeon said Thursday.

PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TOP BLOCK THIS GBILL FOR LIFE. PLEASE I AM BEGGING NOW...HE HAS NEVER ONCE MADE A WORHT WHILE POST IMO AND MOST ARE TOTALLY USELESS AND ###-ININE..the first three leters gbill look at them and STOP THE BS!!!

 

[Garts]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-b...ov=ap&type=lgns

Doctor says Palmer's injury 'devastating'

By JOE KAY, AP Sports Writer

January 12, 2006

CINCINNATI (AP) -- Carson Palmer's knee injury was "devastating and potentially career-ending," involving numerous ligament tears, a shredded ligament, damaged cartilage and a dislocated kneecap, his surgeon said Thursday.

PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TOP BLOCK THIS GBILL FOR LIFE. PLEASE I AM BEGGING NOW...HE HAS NEVER ONCE MADE A WORHT WHILE POST IMO AND MOST ARE TOTALLY USELESS AND ###-ININE..the first three leters gbill look at them and STOP THE BS!!!

Fanball is reporting the same thing....it may be career ending.

 

[Keys Myaths]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-b...ov=ap&type=lgns

Doctor says Palmer's injury 'devastating'

By JOE KAY, AP Sports Writer

January 12, 2006

CINCINNATI (AP) -- Carson Palmer's knee injury was "devastating and potentially career-ending," involving numerous ligament tears, a shredded ligament, damaged cartilage and a dislocated kneecap, his surgeon said Thursday.

PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TOP BLOCK THIS GBILL FOR LIFE. PLEASE I AM BEGGING NOW...HE HAS NEVER ONCE MADE A WORHT WHILE POST IMO AND MOST ARE TOTALLY USELESS AND ###-ININE..the first three leters gbill look at them and STOP THE BS!!!

Go to his profile, and select ignore user.And honestly, he's just trying to help. You don't have to read it if you don't want to.

 

[fruity pebbles]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-b...ov=ap&type=lgns

Doctor says Palmer's injury 'devastating'

By JOE KAY, AP Sports Writer

January 12, 2006

CINCINNATI (AP) -- Carson Palmer's knee injury was "devastating and potentially career-ending," involving numerous ligament tears, a shredded ligament, damaged cartilage and a dislocated kneecap, his surgeon said Thursday.

PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TOP BLOCK THIS GBILL FOR LIFE. PLEASE I AM BEGGING NOW...HE HAS NEVER ONCE MADE A WORHT WHILE POST IMO AND MOST ARE TOTALLY USELESS AND ###-ININE..the first three leters gbill look at them and STOP THE BS!!!

What are you getting mad at? He didn't write the story :11:

 

[Shark Attack]

The saddest thing to me is that he was a very talented young QB who was already the "latest and greatest" and appeared to have petential to be one of the few greats.  Granted, only a season and some change, but he appeared poised to do great things. 

I hope he will be back in full force in 06.

He is a drop back QB with a big arm who does not run much at all anyway. RB's have had both knees ripped up and had big years after. McGahee had one of the worst knee injuries ever and is running over guys now. Any of you guys worried about ANYTHING this novice GBill post should be ashamed of yourself. The kid is likely 16 and very immature at that. Palmer is gonna be fine and one of the best QB's in the league for the next 10 years. That was a fluke injury on his follow through leg, if it were his plant leg then maybe it would be more of a concern but the left leg for a righty is not needed so much. Modern surgical techniques now a days can make one as good or even better than you were before surgery. Palmer will be just fine.

 

[The Jerk]

Sounds like the doctor is softening his stance (heard on SportsCenter). The doctor is now saying his statement on the career-threatening nature of the knee injuries suffered by Palmer was meant to describe injuries of this type and severity IN GENERAL, not specifically to Palmer himself at this time. While this is encouraging, it still shows how serious the injury is and how long a recovery will take.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Any of you guys worried about ANYTHING this novice GBill post should be ashamed of yourself.

I apologize in advance...But I'm getting really, really sick of this attitude toward posters who are trying to give us information.

The story is on the front page of MULTIPLE websites, including the 2nd story on ESPN, with the title "Doctor: Palmer injury 'potentially career-ending'".

So, someone tries to give us this information on the message board...but now, he's dismissed as a "novice" because you don't like the article.

Honestly? I think it's a lack of class. Grow up.

Mods, sorry for the diversion from the topic, and the tone, but this has been building up for a while. I don't want this kind of information to *stop* coming because people like GBill see something, but end up afraid to post it, because of some idiots like this.

 

[Bri]

Any of you guys worried about ANYTHING this novice GBill post should be ashamed of yourself.

How the F can you come to a football board and complain about someone re-posting football news?

 

[Bri]

Shocking, I clicked "find members topics" and didn't find any news stories posted by you.