This looks like an admission that the plane was "fully boarded."elbowrm said:
https://twitter.com/RyanRuggiero/status/851577150117425154
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Doctor violently dragged from full United flight (1 Viewer)
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https://twitter.com/RyanRuggiero/status/851577150117425154
Was traveling with three people and we initially got $800 euro's each for the initial volunteering than an additional $600 euro's to volenteer again as well as hotel rooms and meals. And this is when the Euro was closer to $1.30 than $1.00. Sweet deal except cashing a check made out in euro's in the US was an adventure.Christo said:
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Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
Which goes back to my question earlier today ... how can "involuntarily denied boarding" be applied if someone already has boarded?
And the CEO says in his next graph that the passenger already on the plane "was being denied boarding" on a flight that he just admitted was "fully boarded." Yikes!
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
According to a guy that was on the flight, United only ever offered flight vouchers for volunteers to deboard. First $400 and then $800.
By regulation, they are required to offer cash or a check. They'll typically offer flight vouchers first because the cost to them is less than cash, but they're required to offer cash/check of nobody wants to accept voucher.
By regulation, they are required to offer cash or a check. They'll typically offer flight vouchers first because the cost to them is less than cash, but they're required to offer cash/check of nobody wants to accept voucher.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Well he was saying he had patients to see so it's probably a lot more important than a bartender. That makes no difference on the way he was treated but it does give him a stronger case why they should be bumping someone else.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
We both know that you are almost always better off complying with instructions from law enforcement. We also both know that law enforcement.ent frequently oversteps their actual authority and ask people to do things that law enforcement has no right to force them to comply with.Zow said:
This is very possibly one of those situations. Chicago Department of Aviation has already come out and said that multiple policies were violated by at least one officer in this situation and they have suspended an officer. So it's very possible that the officer did NOT have the authority to do what he did.
I was just going to ask this.
Why not do that random pick thingie prior to everyone boarding?
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
If you read the United CEO's memo, it was because the crew needing to get to Louisville didn't approach the gate until the plane was fully boarded.
Oh well, I guess they should have boarded the next one then...
What a bunch of assclowns.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
They should make the passengers pick rocks, like they do on survivor when they can't agree on who to vote off.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
I think this is the issue, everything United did before getting on the plane to remove passengers is where they failed IMO.
SWC
Bromigo
here is what is most stupid about this for united now everyone and i mean everyone who has read this knows that they have to pay you cash for delayed travel who in the world is going to actually volunteer for a stupid voucher now talk about an epic backfire bromigos that right there should get everyone of the dumb employees involved in this canned faster than a tuna take that to the bank bromigos
Righetti
Footballguy
I hate flying United, it's just a crappy all around experience and is the number one reason I still fly Delta even though Newark would be much easier for me. The airplanes are old, the peanuts stale, their flight attendants could star in The Golden Girls and now their overbooked policy sucks
This poor dude who just wanted to go home to see his kids or let his dog out showed up at the airport and figured the hard part was done. But instead of flying the friendly skies, he took an armrest to his face and was dragged off like a WWE heel, as three goons beat the guy to a bloody pulp .
The reaction seems to be hard to justify ehen they turn this poor Asian guy into a piñata because he didn't want to be stuck in their ####ty city for another night
DaVinci
FairTaxguy
They are only required to offer cash or check for involuntary deboardings. If you agree to voluntarily deboard for a bag of peanuts, that's all they have to give you.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
chet
Footballguy
Not to nitpick, but it's involuntary denial of boarding--he had already boarded the plane.
not really... without the blood and/or the old unconscious guy getting dragged off a plane, this story doesn't go viral.
the moops
Footballguy
St. Louis Bob
Footballguy
This makes flying kind of a hassle now.
Reg Lllama of Brixton
Footballguy
Did I ever tell you about the guy that I used to work with that pretty much worshiped The Ultimate Warrior?Warrior said:
chet
Footballguy
Waingro
Footballguy
Reminds me of the Shirley Jackson short story The Lottery.
Details of contemporary small-town American life are embroidered upon a description of an annual ritual known as "the lottery". In a small village of about 300 residents, the locals are in an excited yet nervous mood on June 27. Children gather stones as the adult townsfolk assemble for their annual event, which in the local tradition is practiced to ensure a good harvest (Old Man Warner quotes an old proverb: "Lottery in June, corn be heavy soon"), though there are some rumors that nearby communities in the north are talking about giving up the lottery, and some have done so.
The lottery preparations start the night before with Mr. Summers and Mr. Graves making the paper slips and the list of all the families. Once the slips are finished, they are put into a black box, which is stored overnight in a safe place at the coal company. The story briefly mentions how the ballot box has been stored other years in various places in the town.
On the morning of the lottery, the townspeople gather close to 10 a.m. in order to have everything done in time for lunch. First, the heads of the households draw slips until every head of the household has a slip (for the first round, the men have to be over sixteen years of age). Bill Hutchinson gets the one slip with a black spot, meaning that his family has been chosen. The second round is for the individual family members to draw, no matter their age. Bill's wife Tessie gets the marked slip. After the drawing is over and Tessie is picked, the slips are allowed to fly off into the wind. In keeping with tradition, each villager obtains a stone and begins to surround Tessie. The story ends as Tessie is stoned to death while she bemoans the unfairness of the situation.
The lottery preparations start the night before with Mr. Summers and Mr. Graves making the paper slips and the list of all the families. Once the slips are finished, they are put into a black box, which is stored overnight in a safe place at the coal company. The story briefly mentions how the ballot box has been stored other years in various places in the town.
On the morning of the lottery, the townspeople gather close to 10 a.m. in order to have everything done in time for lunch. First, the heads of the households draw slips until every head of the household has a slip (for the first round, the men have to be over sixteen years of age). Bill Hutchinson gets the one slip with a black spot, meaning that his family has been chosen. The second round is for the individual family members to draw, no matter their age. Bill's wife Tessie gets the marked slip. After the drawing is over and Tessie is picked, the slips are allowed to fly off into the wind. In keeping with tradition, each villager obtains a stone and begins to surround Tessie. The story ends as Tessie is stoned to death while she bemoans the unfairness of the situation.
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St. Louis Bob
Footballguy
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
I saw the video of him running back onto the plane wanting to go home, but I hadn't seen this.
https://twitter.com/kaylyn_davis/status/851471574385307648?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2F2017%2F04%2Fjust-kill-me-disturbing-new-video-shows-removed-united-passenger-with-his-face-covered-in-blood%2F
https://twitter.com/kaylyn_davis/status/851471574385307648?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2F2017%2F04%2Fjust-kill-me-disturbing-new-video-shows-removed-united-passenger-with-his-face-covered-in-blood%2F
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Zegras11
Footballguy
That would delay that flight and those hundreds of passengers several hours and potentially cascade to other flights and many more being impacted. If I was waiting for a crew in Louisville my view of who the ######## was would be very different.
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
DON'T RE-ACCOMMODATE ME, BRO
Snorkelson
Footballguy
We were kicking a guy out of the bar one night, he was grabbing anything he could with one hand while waving his ID yelling "I'm a citizen" until he dropped it, after which he was grabbing anything e could with 2 hands. Tables, chairs, handrail coming down the stairs. This is how I would react if I were on that plane.
We didn't even let this guy in he was so drunk, he went into the alley and waited for someone to take out the trash and snuck in the back door and made it into the dining room. But the image of him holding the handrail while 3 guys have him by the feet and he's stretched out horizontally was priceless.
3C's
Footballguy
chet
Footballguy
Not really. United would have to be completely naive to think that none of their 86,000 employees would share such an asinine memo.
3C's
Footballguy
Ned
Footballguy
3C's
Footballguy
Right. Yes that was covered later in the thread. They're not going to go above $1350 (why would they?) though and one blog mentioned UA never goes above $800 in vouchers on the voluntary side.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Lawyer guys...could any of the other passengers successfully sue the doctor for the 3 hour delay he caused them? Let's say it made them late for a business deal or meth sale or something?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Okay but does being selected at random and dragged from your seat qualify as "voluntary".
