Does anyone conceal carry on a regular basis? (1 Viewer)

[lombardi]

Moved recently from the People's Republic of NJ to North Carolina. I've always had an interest in shooting and began target shooting a little bit with rental guns. I am researching my first handgun purchase for myself and my wife and I was advised that it's easier to just get a CCP than to go out and get a permit every time I want to purchase a gun. That it makes the process easier and you have flexibility if you ever come across a good deal.

So I took my NC CCP safety class last weekend. Spent about 4 hours discussing who I am allowed to shoot and who I am not allowed to shoot. We went through a lot of scenarios, some real and some made up. There was some very interesting legal/moral discussion in the class. I was told it was going to be boring but I really enjoyed it. We covered a lot of things I had never thought about or considered and several people in the class, including the instructor, had been involved in actual defensive shootings in their life. Another hour or so was spent going over other safety issues, procedural things, and then 3 hours on the range as everyone was qualified which was pretty easy at 7 and 10 yards out. So now I have an appointment next week to get fingerprinted, back round checked, and get my permit.

I took the class for more freedom to purchase and I thought the option to carry if I ever felt it necessary would be comforting. However, after shooting a few times and handling firearms a bit I don't know how comfortable I would be walking around with a gun stuck in my waistband all day (properly secured in a good holster of course). Does it eventually start feeling "normal" after a while? It's a pretty big responsibility, I mean if you do forget it's there and accidentally walk in to make a deposit in your bank account you just committed a federal felony. Of course if you ever REALLY need it I'm sure you're very happy it's there and that's probably why most people who carry do it.

I think for now I'm just using it for purchase and I may occasionally carry when I'm on backwoods backpacking trips (where legal) or possibly late night trips into the city, not sure. I guess I'll have to carry a couple times to know how I'll really feel. I certainly wouldn't carry until I'm a bit more proficient. I need more practice and familiarity and with a specific gun I've purchased before I would feel safe walking around with it.

Just a note, I'm not really interested in any anti-gun rhetoric. Really looking for opinions of guys who shoot and carry and their experience.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

24/7, mook.

 

[Treynwreck3]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

 

[Jack White]

You won't hear any anti-gun rhetoric from me.

Self-defense is an unalienable right.

 

[lombardi]

Treynwrecks - that's interested, what was the guy doing? We talked a lot about this in the class. The law, at least in NC, is equal force. You can't shoot someone to defend yourself from a simple assault. Only if you are in imminent danger of death, great bodily harm, or sexual assault and that a person of ordinary firmness would believe deadly force is necessary to prevent [those 3 things]. (Also, you can't be instigator or use excessive force).

The basic line was that if you need to think about if it's ok to shoot this person or not it is NOT ok. Only in a case where you're saving your life or betting beaten to the point of broken bones, lost teeth, unconsciousness or you're being raped or about to be raped. The language in the law has an awful lot of subjectivity and I guess every situation is different.

I mean, you didn't shoot the guy and showing then gun resolved the situation. Did you pull it to scare the guy or were you really ready to shoot? I'm just curious, not criticizing in any way.

 

[[icon]]

Every Day... Glock 26 9mm subcompact in a Kydex IWB from Concealment Express positioned around 4 o'clock on my right side.

Daily carry is an immense responsibility and one that ideally you'll never have to use.

IMO if you're concerned about comfort, start with a good holster. Consider a single stack mag subcompact like a Glock 43 or M&P Shield. It will help with printing as well as the "bulk" feel you're likely concerned about. Downside is you give up capacity. It's highly unlikely you'll ever need more than the 6 or 7 rounds of a single stack subcompact... but you never know.

Practice... practice..... Practice. You started down a good path with the CCW class. Once you purchase, seek out intro ad intermediate level pistol and conceal carry pistol classes from your local range or shooting group. I train with Ronin Combat Strategies as I've found their real world environment stuff to be 10x better than local range training, but anything is better than nothing. Just get familiar with your pistol... shooting, drawing, clearing a round, reloading, etc.

Comfort-wise, you'll always feel a fist sized hunk of steel strapped in your beltline... but with a good holster and time you definitely get used to it.

 

[arrow1]

Ordinary Firmness??

 

[IC FBGCav]

16 in the clip and one in the hole, Chris Cav is about to make some bodies turn cold.

 

[flysack]

My junk count?

 

[timschochet]

Hi lombardi I have some questions in regard to your class:

1. Everything you stated was about YOU being in danger of being maimed, killed, raped, etc. What about other people? If you were to see a woman being raped or about to be raped, for instance, are you allowed to shoot the rapist? Do you have to warn him first? How does this work?

2. Under what conditions are you allowed to show your gun, even if you're not allowed to actually shoot it?

 

[matuski]

No problem with the right to do so.

I consider it an odd path of logic to think you would need to.

 

[lombardi]

Every Day... Glock 26 9mm subcompact in a Kydex IWB from Concealment Express positioned around 4 o'clock on my right side.

Daily carry is an immense responsibility and one that ideally you'll never have to use.

IMO if you're concerned about comfort, start with a good holster. Consider a single stack mag subcompact like a Glock 43 or M&P Shield. It will help with printing as well as the "bulk" feel you're likely concerned about. Downside is you give up capacity. It's highly unlikely you'll ever need more than the 6 or 7 rounds of a single stack subcompact... but you never know.

Practice... practice..... Practice. You started down a good path with the CCW class. Now seem out intro ad intermediate level pistol and conceal carry pistol classes from your local range or shooting group. I train with Ronin Combat Strategies as I've found their real world environment stuff to be 10x better than local range training, but anything is better than nothing. Just get familiar with your pistol... shooting, drawing, clearing a round, reloading, etc.

Comfort-wise, you'll always feel a fist sized hunk of steel strapped in your beltline... but with a good holster and time you definitely get used to it.

Place I went to had NRA Basic Pistol and then went on with other more advanced classes and tactical classes. I'll probably take basic pistol first and see from there.

 

[Scoresman]

concealed carry worked for ice cube in that one scene at the beginning of boyz n the hood where they were on the strip and all he had to do was lift up his shirt to show his gun and the other gangsters took off.

but it came back to bite him when those same gangster ended up shooting his brother.

be careful out there guys.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

concealed carry worked for ice cube in that one scene at the beginning of boyz n the hood where they were on the strip and all he had to do was lift up his shirt to show his gun and the other gangsters took off.

but it came back to bite him when those same gangster ended up shooting his brother.

be careful out there guys.

RIIIIIIIIKKKKKKKYYYYYYYYYYY

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

You would have had to have fought him like a real man?

 

[lombardi]

Ordinary Firmness??

Yeah, I brought that up and class and said it sounds AWFULLY subjective.

Instructor said it is and that most cases are settled on the perceived threat. Was the persons life really in danger (he was ex-police).

He said if you ever find yourself in a post-shooting inteverview "don't ever say the words 'I had to kill him', always say the words 'I had to do something to stop the threat'". Basically he told us to politely decline to say ANYTHING other than immediate details like where a guy ran or where your loaded gun is or things like that. To shut up and wait for your lawyer even if you were completely justified.

 

[lombardi]

My junk count?

Sub compact?

 

[E-Z Glider]

I know 7 people that conceal carry on a regular basis. 4 of them are cops. The other 3 are a little "unstable".

 

[urbanhack]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

You would have had to have fought him like a real man?

Or you could have told him "hey...I'm not the guy you are looking for."

 

[NutterButter]

concealed carry worked for ice cube in that one scene at the beginning of boyz n the hood where they were on the strip and all he had to do was lift up his shirt to show his gun and the other gangsters took off.

but it came back to bite him when those same gangster ended up shooting his brother.

be careful out there guys.

It worked at the strip scene until the one guy started shooting off his uzi and then they all scattered.

 

[NutterButter]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

You would have had to have fought him like a real man?

 

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With regards to purchasing your handgun... do your research and narrow it down to a few that fit your criteria... then SHOOT THEM ALL. Go to a range that allows loaner weapons and has some/most of the pistols you're considering. Test them out. Handguns are a very personal thing... what works for one person may not work for another. So many factors to consider.

I once picked up an M&P Shield 9mm when it was the "hot" gun. Got a great deal on it. Took it home and went to the range. Expected to love it having heard great things. Shot and it just wasn't "Right" for me. Switched back and forth with my Glock and it was night and day with regards to comfort and accuracy. Ended up trading it away.

 

[matuski]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

You would have had to have fought him like a real man?

This is the crap that seems cowardly to me.. you need a gun so you don't have to handle yourself like a normal person? What were you gonna do.. shoot him?

 

[[icon]]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

You would have had to have fought him like a real man?

This is the crap that seems cowardly to me.. you need a gun so you don't have to handle yourself like a normal person? What were you gonna do.. shoot him?

Preface by saying I'm against drawing your carry pistol unless you intend to use it... and only then as an absolute last resort when other attempts to clear things up have failed.

That said... If some crackhead/unstable person is persistently accosting me, why should I be required to engage in a fistfight with him not knowing anything about who he is... what weapons he may have on him...what his intent is...etc? I think anyone persisting beyond repeated attempts to get them to back off... particularly if they're physically attacking/accosting you.

I don't know the exact circumstances of this situation as he was kinda vague. If the guy was just asking him for money or bothering him then it was premature to draw, IMO. IF the guy was engaging him physically and in a threatening manner and ignoring repeated requests / a shove off to stop... well...

I'm not going to get in a fight with a random aggressor and risk getting stabbed or worse. Sorry.

 

[lombardi]

Hi lombardi I have some questions in regard to your class:

1. Everything you stated was about YOU being in danger of being maimed, killed, raped, etc. What about other people? If you were to see a woman being raped or about to be raped, for instance, are you allowed to shoot the rapist? Do you have to warn him first? How does this work?

2. Under what conditions are you allowed to show your gun, even if you're not allowed to actually shoot it?

Everything I learned was specific to NC.

1. Yes, in any place where I'm allowed to shoot to protect myself I am also allowed to shoot when I put myself in the place of someone else. If I intervene and someone is being raped, beaten to gross bodily harm or death, i may shoot. He said that it's subjective but that the best indicator is if you need to think about it or if you have to act "or else". Basically if I'm debating whether this is bad enough I should probalby hold off. If I think something terrible is about to happen or someone is being beaten or hurt mercilessly I can shoot.

Interestinly he laid out a scenario just like that and said you have to be SUPER careful intervening because you don't know the circumstances. You walk into an ally and there is a man beating a woman senselessly or holding a gun to her your inclination could be to shoot but you don't know what just happened. Does she have a gun or weapon in the hand you can't see, was she with someone else who this guy just knocked out behind the wall you can't see. If the person your defending was the aggressor and you shoot the other person there is a good chance you're going to jail.

You don't have to warn someone before you shoot them. If you feel like you're about to die, suffer great bodily harm, or be raped you can just fire away and if someone else is going to suffer those things as well. There is something called force continuum. Verbal Commands, soft hands (grabbing, shoving), hard hands (striking), non lethal (pepper spray), and then deadly force. Police use this. He said people who are trained use this to try to keep form using deadly force bu that for the untrained any kind of hand to hand altercation puts you at risk of losing your weapon. He suggested to not reveal a weapon unless you feel you're going to need it and if you pull it be ready to use it. So you can yell stop I have a gun but you better be in a deadly situation because if the person comes at you you're going to have to shoot them. If it was just a street fight and a simple assault you're going to go to jail if you shoot, if you fight you could lose your gun and get killed so you've put yourself in a really bad position.

Everything changes in your home, workplace, or car. This is a stand your ground/castle state. So if someone breaks into your home or reaches for you in your car the assumption is given to you legally that they're there to do gross bodily harm or worse and you can shoot them with impunity as long as the threat is imminent. As soon as they surrender, stop the aggression, or run away you cannot fire. You can't shoot someone running away with your stuff. That's only for breaking and entering. If someone is just trespassing on your property you may NOT use deadly force. You can use non lethal weapons and hard hands, but not deadly force. So tazer, pepper spray, knock the guy around, but you can't kill him.

2. Showing your gun I think I kind of covered. You can do it but it's not a good idea. There is a law you're breaking, can't remember what it is called, if you start waving your gun around and threatening people if they're not being aggressive or causing an imminent danger to you or someone else. So basically if a drunk takes a swing at you, you certainly can't shoot him and I think it's a crime to pull your heater and stick it in his face. Although I'm not 100% sure.

Keep in mind these answers are the best I can remember them and they're from a legal standpoint, not a moral one. What they told me I legally can and can't do, not what I think you should or shouldn't do.

 

[arrow1]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

You would have had to have fought him like a real man?

Or you could have told him "hey...I'm not the guy you are looking for."

Or hit him with the foaming brush

 

[Brony]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

You would have had to have fought him like a real man?

I bet the guy would have made Treyn take off his shirt and wash his car slowly while his pasty torso glistened with soapy lather. Thank goodness for the gun.

 

[timschochet]

Interesting. Thank you.

 

[[icon]]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

You would have had to have fought him like a real man?

I bet the guy would have made Treyn take off his shirt and wash his car slowly while his pasty torso glistened with soapy lather. Thank goodness for the gun.

Prob woulda had to shoot myself after that, IMO.

 

[Swing 51]

concealed carry worked for ice cube in that one scene at the beginning of boyz n the hood where they were on the strip and all he had to do was lift up his shirt to show his gun and the other gangstas took off.

but it came back to bite him when those same gangstas ended up shooting his brother.

be careful out there guys.

FYP GB

 

[lombardi]

No problem with the right to do so.

I consider it an odd path of logic to think you would need to.

The line in the class was "Sure, I probably will never need this but if I am ever in the situation where I do, I will be sorry if I'm unarmed".

I guess it really depends where you are in life, what your risk is. I was actually shocked at how many people in that class were in shootings or assaulted or victims of home robbery. I live in a town 30m south of Asheville in NC and it's a medium sized, middle class southern town. Seems relatively safe, I've never felt threatened, mostly rural. But a woman was there who works some kind of dispatch and talked about the 13 home invasions in the county over the last 4 months (or something along those lines, can't remember numbers exactly but I was shocked).

The instructor and one of his helpers were both involved in fatal shootings. She was attached by a man and he had a home robbery attempt with his little girl at home. Two women mentioned attempted sexual assaults as reason they were there. Half the class were gun people who moved to the state and needed to certify and were experienced shooters, a couple of them mentioned times where they needed to pull their gun in a serious defensive situation. It was surprising to me.

I've never been in a situation where I would have needed a gun. However, I've had a few scary moments that turned out to be nothing that I thought, what if that was something, what could I have done. If someone broke into my house right now with a weapon I would be absolutely helpless. I could grab a bat or a knife but my kids, my wife, and myself would basically be at an armed intruders mercy. For me, I think that's unacceptable. Out and about? I don't know, we'll see once get more familiar with handguns if I'm comfortable enough carrying one around.

 

[Scoresman]

the counterpoint to what I posted above is that in the movie Swingers, after that one guy flashed his piece at the uppity house of pain looking guys, they all became good buddies and ended up playing NHL 95 on the SNES together. so I'm not sure where I stand on this issue.

 

[lombardi]

I know 7 people that conceal carry on a regular basis. 4 of them are cops. The other 3 are a little "unstable".

Actually I'll bet you know more but don't know it.

Now that I've gotten a little invovled and posted a couple pictures of my son and I at the range I was shocked some of the people I've known for years who have come out of the woodwork as gun owners, shooters, and who carry. Some surprised me, would have never known.

 

[Bucky86]

Hi lombardi I have some questions in regard to your class:

1. Everything you stated was about YOU being in danger of being maimed, killed, raped, etc. What about other people? If you were to see a woman being raped or about to be raped, for instance, are you allowed to shoot the rapist? Do you have to warn him first? How does this work?

2. Under what conditions are you allowed to show your gun, even if you're not allowed to actually shoot it?

Everything I learned was specific to NC.

1. Yes, in any place where I'm allowed to shoot to protect myself I am also allowed to shoot when I put myself in the place of someone else. If I intervene and someone is being raped, beaten to gross bodily harm or death, i may shoot. He said that it's subjective but that the best indicator is if you need to think about it or if you have to act "or else". Basically if I'm debating whether this is bad enough I should probalby hold off. If I think something terrible is about to happen or someone is being beaten or hurt mercilessly I can shoot.

Interestinly he laid out a scenario just like that and said you have to be SUPER careful intervening because you don't know the circumstances. You walk into an ally and there is a man beating a woman senselessly or holding a gun to her your inclination could be to shoot but you don't know what just happened. Does she have a gun or weapon in the hand you can't see, was she with someone else who this guy just knocked out behind the wall you can't see. If the person your defending was the aggressor and you shoot the other person there is a good chance you're going to jail.

You don't have to warn someone before you shoot them. If you feel like you're about to die, suffer great bodily harm, or be raped you can just fire away and if someone else is going to suffer those things as well. There is something called force continuum. Verbal Commands, soft hands (grabbing, shoving), hard hands (striking), non lethal (pepper spray), and then deadly force. Police use this. He said people who are trained use this to try to keep form using deadly force bu that for the untrained any kind of hand to hand altercation puts you at risk of losing your weapon. He suggested to not reveal a weapon unless you feel you're going to need it and if you pull it be ready to use it. So you can yell stop I have a gun but you better be in a deadly situation because if the person comes at you you're going to have to shoot them. If it was just a street fight and a simple assault you're going to go to jail if you shoot, if you fight you could lose your gun and get killed so you've put yourself in a really bad position.

Everything changes in your home, workplace, or car. This is a stand your ground/castle state. So if someone breaks into your home or reaches for you in your car the assumption is given to you legally that they're there to do gross bodily harm or worse and you can shoot them with impunity as long as the threat is imminent. As soon as they surrender, stop the aggression, or run away you cannot fire. You can't shoot someone running away with your stuff. That's only for breaking and entering. If someone is just trespassing on your property you may NOT use deadly force. You can use non lethal weapons and hard hands, but not deadly force. So tazer, pepper spray, knock the guy around, but you can't kill him.

2. Showing your gun I think I kind of covered. You can do it but it's not a good idea. There is a law you're breaking, can't remember what it is called, if you start waving your gun around and threatening people if they're not being aggressive or causing an imminent danger to you or someone else. So basically if a drunk takes a swing at you, you certainly can't shoot him and I think it's a crime to pull your heater and stick it in his face. Although I'm not 100% sure.

Keep in mind these answers are the best I can remember them and they're from a legal standpoint, not a moral one. What they told me I legally can and can't do, not what I think you should or shouldn't do.

So technically treynwreck broke the law?

 

[AcerFC]

I would just tuck in in the back of my pants if I did have one. That is what the cool kids do

 

[Swing 51]

the counterpoint to what I posted above is that in the movie Swingers, after that one guy flashed his piece at the uppity house of pain looking guys

A Boy Named Sue, IIRC

 

[lombardi]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

You would have had to have fought him like a real man?

This is the crap that seems cowardly to me.. you need a gun so you don't have to handle yourself like a normal person? What were you gonna do.. shoot him?

I think it depends on the situation. Don't know the facts.

Your life being in danger is different than my life being in danger.

What if you can't fight or you're weaker or a woman and some absolute beast starts coming at you in a rage. Or someone with some obvious martial arts training and skill that can really, truly deal you some serious damage.

What if your kids are with you and you know if this lunatic knocks you out they're defenseless? Every situation is different.

"being a man" or being "tough" doesn't mean jack to me. I'm over 40, I stopped caring about what people think a long time ago. I would do everything I possibly could not to shoot someone. But if I felt my family was in any kind of serious peril, i would shoot without blinking an eye. A guy doesn't have to be armed to be mortally dangerous. Depends on the situation.

 

[matuski]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

You would have had to have fought him like a real man?

This is the crap that seems cowardly to me.. you need a gun so you don't have to handle yourself like a normal person? What were you gonna do.. shoot him?

I think it depends on the situation. Don't know the facts.

You're life being in danger is different than my life being in danger.

What if you can't fight or you're weaker or a woman and some absolute beast starts coming at you in a rage. Or someone with some obvious martial arts training and skill that can really, truly deal you some serious damage.

What if your kids are with you and you know if this lunatic knocks you out they're defenseless? Every situation is different.

"being a man" or being "tough" doesn't mean jack to me. I'm over 40, I stopped caring about what people think a long time ago. I would do everything I possibly could not to shoot someone. But if I felt my family was in any kind of serious peril, i would shoot without blinking an eye. A guy doesn't have to be armed to be mortally dangerous. Depends on the situation.

Seems to me a lot of highly unlikely factors have to come together just right before a gun makes any sense at all, and only one thing has to go wrong for it to be the worst decision you ever made.

Not about being a man, it is about letting fear dictate your decisions. You have a gun, you get scared.. I'm assuming you plan to pull it. Good luck.

 

[tonydead]

 

[lombardi]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

You would have had to have fought him like a real man?

This is the crap that seems cowardly to me.. you need a gun so you don't have to handle yourself like a normal person? What were you gonna do.. shoot him?

I think it depends on the situation. Don't know the facts.

You're life being in danger is different than my life being in danger.

What if you can't fight or you're weaker or a woman and some absolute beast starts coming at you in a rage. Or someone with some obvious martial arts training and skill that can really, truly deal you some serious damage.

What if your kids are with you and you know if this lunatic knocks you out they're defenseless? Every situation is different.

"being a man" or being "tough" doesn't mean jack to me. I'm over 40, I stopped caring about what people think a long time ago. I would do everything I possibly could not to shoot someone. But if I felt my family was in any kind of serious peril, i would shoot without blinking an eye. A guy doesn't have to be armed to be mortally dangerous. Depends on the situation.

Seems to me a lot of highly unlikely factors have to come together just right before a gun makes any sense at all, and only one thing has to go wrong for it to be the worst decision you ever made.

Actually I think for many people there aren't a lot of factors. Someone comes into your house with a gun. Someone tries to rob you with a gun. For women especially, some doesn't understand that no means no. These are pretty clear cut circumstances and they all happen to people every single day.

I think where you grow up and what you've experienced in your life shape what you think about guns. I'll bet more than half of anti-gun people would start shooting the next day after a serious, close to mortal encounter with someone breaking into their home or trying to rape their daughter or something along those lines. If you've never had need it's probably hard to understand why you would want to walk around with a gun.

If you're someone who has needed to or wished you had one it's probably a no brainer. These are not rare circumstances. They may be rare in my life or in your life, depending on your race, sex, and socio-economic class. But to many people and especially in many places, these things happen every day.

 

[badmojo1006]

concealed carry worked for ice cube in that one scene at the beginning of boyz n the hood where they were on the strip and all he had to do was lift up his shirt to show his gun and the other gangsters took off.

but it came back to bite him when those same gangster ended up shooting his brother.

be careful out there guys.

Or the scene in Men in Black where the tow truck driver showed his piece and the alien shot him anyway

 

[matuski]

Every day. I carry a Glock 22. It takes some getting used to, but I am very comfortable with it now. I do alot of long distance driving and it gives me peace of mind. I have only had to pull it once. I was at a hand carwash and was approached by a man who was aggressive and would not stop despite my verbal order to do so. Once I drew my weapon, he stopped. I don't want to think about what would have happened had I not been carrying. He obviously had mistaken me for somebody else.

You would have had to have fought him like a real man?

This is the crap that seems cowardly to me.. you need a gun so you don't have to handle yourself like a normal person? What were you gonna do.. shoot him?

I think it depends on the situation. Don't know the facts.

You're life being in danger is different than my life being in danger.

What if you can't fight or you're weaker or a woman and some absolute beast starts coming at you in a rage. Or someone with some obvious martial arts training and skill that can really, truly deal you some serious damage.

What if your kids are with you and you know if this lunatic knocks you out they're defenseless? Every situation is different.

"being a man" or being "tough" doesn't mean jack to me. I'm over 40, I stopped caring about what people think a long time ago. I would do everything I possibly could not to shoot someone. But if I felt my family was in any kind of serious peril, i would shoot without blinking an eye. A guy doesn't have to be armed to be mortally dangerous. Depends on the situation.

Seems to me a lot of highly unlikely factors have to come together just right before a gun makes any sense at all, and only one thing has to go wrong for it to be the worst decision you ever made.

Actually I think for many people there aren't a lot of factors. Someone comes into your house with a gun. Someone tries to rob you with a gun. For women especially, some doesn't understand that no means no. These are pretty clear cut circumstances and they all happen to people every single day.

I think where you grow up and what you've experienced in your life shape what you think about guns. I'll bet more than half of anti-gun people would start shooting the next day after a serious, close to mortal encounter with someone breaking into their home or trying to rape their daughter or something along those lines. If you've never had need it's probably hard to understand why you would want to walk around with a gun.

If you're someone who has needed to or wished you had one it's probably a no brainer. These are not rare circumstances. They may be rare in my life or in your life, depending on your race, sex, and socio-economic class. But to many people and especially in many places, these things happen every day.

Please don't put me in the anti gun crowd.

I grew up in a house with several guns, dad in law enforcement, I own 3. The home invasion scenario would be irrelevant in a debate on concealed carry.. unless you sleep with it in your underwear?

As I stated above, I don't argue for a second your right to carry. I have just never heard anyone explain to me a scenario for concealment where it was more likely to turn out right versus wrong. When I think about the topic, it seems obvious that it is more likely for a gun you are carrying to result in poor decision making and or poor results than the other way around.

 

[Bucky86]

Let's say you're walking down a side street and someone comes out of a door way behind you and places a gun into your back. You're carrying. He demands your your wallet.

A. You give it to him?

B. You pull out your gun and try to shoot him first.

If you chose A, are you allowed to shoot him after he's taken your wallet and is walking/running away?

 

[matuski]

Someone comes into your house and you are scared for your family's safety? Shoot them. Shoot them again.

Someone approaches your family threateningly away from home, you have a gun... shoot them? Ok. Good luck protecting your family in the future from a cell.

 

[Treynwreck3]

We were driving home one night from my parents. My infant son had just thrown up in his car seat, so I pulled into this carwash to clean it/him up. A car pulled upand honked. The driver rolled down his window and began yelling obscenities and threats at me. I told him that I didn't even know who the hell he was and that he should leave. He continued to scream obscenities and told me that he was going to kick my ###. Again, I told him that he should leave. Then he got out of his car. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He started towards me, I pulled my weapon. He stopped. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He did. I got in my truck and got the hell out of there before he came back. I would have shot him had he not stopped.

I thought he was an imminent threat. Did I break the law? Not in my mind. I hope that I never have to be in that position again.

 

[Bucky86]

We were driving home one night from my parents. My infant son had just thrown up in his car seat, so I pulled into this carwash to clean it/him up. A car pulled upand honked. The driver rolled down his window and began yelling obscenities and threats at me. I told him that I didn't even know who the hell he was and that he should leave. He continued to scream obscenities and told me that he was going to kick my ###. Again, I told him that he should leave. Then he got out of his car. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He started towards me, I pulled my weapon. He stopped. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He did. I got in my truck and got the hell out of there before he came back. I would have shot him had he not stopped.

I thought he was an imminent threat. Did I break the law? Not in my mind. I hope that I never have to be in that position again.

You seem to have way more "opportunities" to use your weapon than anybody else I know.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

We were driving home one night from my parents. My infant son had just thrown up in his car seat, so I pulled into this carwash to clean it/him up. A car pulled upand honked. The driver rolled down his window and began yelling obscenities and threats at me. I told him that I didn't even know who the hell he was and that he should leave. He continued to scream obscenities and told me that he was going to kick my ###. Again, I told him that he should leave. Then he got out of his car. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He started towards me, I pulled my weapon. He stopped. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He did. I got in my truck and got the hell out of there before he came back. I would have shot him had he not stopped.

I thought he was an imminent threat. Did I break the law? Not in my mind. I hope that I never have to be in that position again.

Yes, the cornerstone of the American justice system.

 

[Das Boot]

 

[matuski]

We were driving home one night from my parents. My infant son had just thrown up in his car seat, so I pulled into this carwash to clean it/him up. A car pulled upand honked. The driver rolled down his window and began yelling obscenities and threats at me. I told him that I didn't even know who the hell he was and that he should leave. He continued to scream obscenities and told me that he was going to kick my ###. Again, I told him that he should leave. Then he got out of his car. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He started towards me, I pulled my weapon. He stopped. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He did. I got in my truck and got the hell out of there before he came back. I would have shot him had he not stopped.

I thought he was an imminent threat. Did I break the law? Not in my mind. I hope that I never have to be in that position again.

Yes, the cornerstone of the American justice system.

"Not in my mind" seems like it would hold up.

 

[Treynwreck3]

Whole lotta fishing going on in here.