Does anyone conceal carry on a regular basis? (1 Viewer)

[Bucky86]

If you chose A, are you allowed to shoot him after he's taken your wallet and is walking/running away?

According to NC law you can NOT shoot him if you do not feel that your have an imminent threat to your life. Once he is running away you may not shoot him legally.

If he places a gun in your back, how is that not an imminent threat to your life?

See bolded.

I read that part - but can you reasonably believe there is an imminent threat to your life while he's pointing a gun at you? Before he takes your wallet and walks away. Do you not have the right to defend yourself before that? Not saying that's the brightest thing to do, but you are within your rights to do so, correct?

You can shoot him while the gun is pointed at you. You can't shoot him if you chase him and shoot him in the back after he's already left.

 

[matttyl]

Nor do I. I don't carry, nor even own a handgun. I do own a shotgun and a rifle. If someone wants to carry a handgun for personal protection, fine with me. I don't feel I have the need to where I live. I don't put myself in dangerous situations, and I'm pretty much a homebody in a very safe neighborhood.

 

[lombardi]

If you chose A, are you allowed to shoot him after he's taken your wallet and is walking/running away?

According to NC law you can NOT shoot him if you do not feel that your have an imminent threat to your life. Once he is running away you may not shoot him legally.

If he places a gun in your back, how is that not an imminent threat to your life?

See bolded.

I read that part - but can you reasonably believe there is an imminent threat to your life while he's pointing a gun at you? Before he takes your wallet and walks away. Do you not have the right to defend yourself before that? Not saying that's the brightest thing to do, but you are within your rights to do so, correct?

If someone is pointing a gun at you, you can shoot them. That's an imminent, mortal threat.

 

[matuski]

Whole lotta fishing going on in here.

No fishing at all. If you had shot that man you would not be there to protect your family next time.

As mentioned above, you and your family seem to find trouble... so what happens next time when you aren't there?

It was a single isolated incident. My family seems to find trouble? Right. Keep fishing Matlock.

Two gun pulling stories by you... which is two more than all the people I know in this world combined.

Your refusal to answer the straight forward question speaks volumes.

Jesus... seriously?

Soo.... notice any similarities between his "two" stories, by chance?

Oops.

Doesn't really change anything with regard to my position.

 

[Bucky86]

Whole lotta fishing going on in here.

No fishing at all. If you had shot that man you would not be there to protect your family next time.

As mentioned above, you and your family seem to find trouble... so what happens next time when you aren't there?

It was a single isolated incident. My family seems to find trouble? Right. Keep fishing Matlock.

Two gun pulling stories by you... which is two more than all the people I know in this world combined.

Your refusal to answer the straight forward question speaks volumes.

Jesus... seriously?

Soo.... notice any similarities between his "two" stories, by chance?

Oops.

Doesn't really change anything with regard to my position.

I'd still find him guilty if he shot the guy. If Treywreck were smart, he'd get back in his car and shoot him from there. At least he could say he tried to retreat and when the guy kept coming at him he had no other choice.

 

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Soo.... notice any similarities between his "two" stories, by chance?

Oops.

Doesn't really change anything with regard to my position.

I hear ya... not sure how I'd handle that situation. that said at night with an infant in the car, I don't fault him for drawing... smart to not fire. If the guy presses on with an aggressive posture in the face of a loaded weapon I don't think there's a jury in this country that would find him guilty given the situation.

Me.. I'd probably ignore the ####### rather than engaging him verbally. If he got out of the car I'd either get back in my car and pull away, or draw as well. Depends on a ton of variables... how easily I can get in the car with the infant safely seated, how aggressive the guy is being, the surroundings, etc. Sadly these scenarios are rarely black/white. If your preference is to hold off and defend yourself via fistfight with your infant kid there, I suppose that's your right.

 

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I'd still find him guilty if he shot the guy. If Treywreck were smart, he'd get back in his car and shoot him from there. At least he could say he tried to retreat and when the guy kept coming at him he had no other choice.

It's pretty obvious you've got next to zero knowledge of the law, ballistics, or firearms in general.

Thankfully our legal system only requires one sensible person to sympathize with a father protecting his infant child to get the shooter off.

 

[Bucky86]

I'd still find him guilty if he shot the guy. If Treywreck were smart, he'd get back in his car and shoot him from there. At least he could say he tried to retreat and when the guy kept coming at him he had no other choice.

It's pretty obvious you've got next to zero knowledge of the law, ballistics, or firearms in general.

It's illegal to shoot a guy for just yelling mean things at you. Treynwreck decided he didnt like those mean words and pulled out a deadly weapon to show the guy who's boss.

ETA. Seems very similar to the guy that got sent to jail for shooting into the SUV full of kids because he didn't like their music.

 

[matuski]

Soo.... notice any similarities between his "two" stories, by chance?

Oops.

Doesn't really change anything with regard to my position.

I hear ya... not sure how I'd handle that situation. that said at night with an infant in the car, I don't fault him for drawing... smart to not fire. If the guy presses on with an aggressive posture in the face of a loaded weapon I don't think there's a jury in this country that would find him guilty given the situation.

Me.. I'd probably ignore the ####### rather than engaging him verbally. If he got out of the car I'd either get back in my car and pull away, or draw as well. Depends on a ton of variables... how easily I can get in the car with the infant safely seated, how aggressive the guy is being, the surroundings, etc. Sadly these scenarios are rarely black/white. If your preference is to hold off and defend yourself via fistfight with your infant kid there, I suppose that's your right.

If you have a gun, a fist fight isn't really an option. Kinda what I think about... seems if you are engaged or engage when you have a gun, you have to pull it. You really don't want to be wrestling with someone with a gun on your hip.

A gun in the car, or within reach.. I'm good with that. If you have a gun on you and get in a true pickle, you get away (my choice 9/10 times), or draw... when I think I'd draw I start to think of all the ways that doesn't go to plan.

In my head, even that 1 of 10 times I still wouldn't require a gun in any likely scenario.

 

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Soo.... notice any similarities between his "two" stories, by chance?

Oops.

Doesn't really change anything with regard to my position.

I hear ya... not sure how I'd handle that situation. that said at night with an infant in the car, I don't fault him for drawing... smart to not fire. If the guy presses on with an aggressive posture in the face of a loaded weapon I don't think there's a jury in this country that would find him guilty given the situation.

Me.. I'd probably ignore the ####### rather than engaging him verbally. If he got out of the car I'd either get back in my car and pull away, or draw as well. Depends on a ton of variables... how easily I can get in the car with the infant safely seated, how aggressive the guy is being, the surroundings, etc. Sadly these scenarios are rarely black/white. If your preference is to hold off and defend yourself via fistfight with your infant kid there, I suppose that's your right.

If you have a gun, a fist fight isn't really an option. Kinda what I think about... seems if you are engaged or engage when you have a gun, you have to pull it. You really don't want to be wrestling with someone with a gun on your hip.

A gun in the car, or within reach.. I'm good with that. If you have a gun on you and get in a true pickle, you get away (my choice 9/10 times), or draw... when I think I'd draw I start to think of all the ways that doesn't go to plan.

In my head, even that 1 of 10 times I still wouldn't require a gun in any likely scenario.

I hear you.

Since we are speaking in hypotheticals. You've got your infant son on the trunk or back seat (not secured in his seat) and this goes down.

How does it play out for you when guy yells at ya.

What if he gets out and is coming toward you yelling and making threatening gestures... What is your plan? Assuming the area is somewhat isolated.

Again, purely hypothetically.... I recognize these types of scenarios are few and far between. Just curious on how you would handle the two inflection points above in Trey's shoes, absent a firearm.

 

[James Daulton]

By the logic provided in here, if everyone carried just about every altercation would end with pieces pulled, or there would be no more altercations.

I vote #1 most likely.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Since we are speaking in hypotheticals. You've got your infant son on the trunk or back seat (not secured in his seat) and this goes down.

How does it play out for you when guy yells at ya.

What if he gets out and is coming toward you yelling and making threatening gestures... What is your plan? Assuming the area is somewhat isolated.

Again, purely hypothetically.... I recognize these types of scenarios are few and far between. Just curious on how you would handle the two inflection points above in Trey's shoes, absent a firearm.

You're assuming that my infant son isn't packing his own piece, Rook.

 

[Bucky86]

Soo.... notice any similarities between his "two" stories, by chance?

Oops.

Doesn't really change anything with regard to my position.

I hear ya... not sure how I'd handle that situation. that said at night with an infant in the car, I don't fault him for drawing... smart to not fire. If the guy presses on with an aggressive posture in the face of a loaded weapon I don't think there's a jury in this country that would find him guilty given the situation.

Me.. I'd probably ignore the ####### rather than engaging him verbally. If he got out of the car I'd either get back in my car and pull away, or draw as well. Depends on a ton of variables... how easily I can get in the car with the infant safely seated, how aggressive the guy is being, the surroundings, etc. Sadly these scenarios are rarely black/white. If your preference is to hold off and defend yourself via fistfight with your infant kid there, I suppose that's your right.

If you have a gun, a fist fight isn't really an option. Kinda what I think about... seems if you are engaged or engage when you have a gun, you have to pull it. You really don't want to be wrestling with someone with a gun on your hip.

A gun in the car, or within reach.. I'm good with that. If you have a gun on you and get in a true pickle, you get away (my choice 9/10 times), or draw... when I think I'd draw I start to think of all the ways that doesn't go to plan.

In my head, even that 1 of 10 times I still wouldn't require a gun in any likely scenario.

I hear you.

Since we are speaking in hypotheticals. You've got your infant son on the trunk or back seat (not secured in his seat) and this goes down.

How does it play out for you when guy yells at ya.

What if he gets out and is coming toward you yelling and making threatening gestures... What is your plan? Assuming the area is somewhat isolated.

Again, purely hypothetically.... I recognize these types of scenarios are few and far between. Just curious on how you would handle the two inflection points above in Trey's shoes, absent a firearm.

Considering my infant son is in more danger if I were to be killed, or knocked unconscious. I would immediately get my kid inside the vehicle, maybe not completely secured, but its far safer that way until I get away from the immediate threat. Meanwhile I'm dialing 911 and giving them a description of the person/vehicle threatening me.

 

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Soo.... notice any similarities between his "two" stories, by chance?

Oops.

Doesn't really change anything with regard to my position.

I hear ya... not sure how I'd handle that situation. that said at night with an infant in the car, I don't fault him for drawing... smart to not fire. If the guy presses on with an aggressive posture in the face of a loaded weapon I don't think there's a jury in this country that would find him guilty given the situation.

Me.. I'd probably ignore the ####### rather than engaging him verbally. If he got out of the car I'd either get back in my car and pull away, or draw as well. Depends on a ton of variables... how easily I can get in the car with the infant safely seated, how aggressive the guy is being, the surroundings, etc. Sadly these scenarios are rarely black/white. If your preference is to hold off and defend yourself via fistfight with your infant kid there, I suppose that's your right.

If you have a gun, a fist fight isn't really an option. Kinda what I think about... seems if you are engaged or engage when you have a gun, you have to pull it. You really don't want to be wrestling with someone with a gun on your hip.

A gun in the car, or within reach.. I'm good with that. If you have a gun on you and get in a true pickle, you get away (my choice 9/10 times), or draw... when I think I'd draw I start to think of all the ways that doesn't go to plan.

In my head, even that 1 of 10 times I still wouldn't require a gun in any likely scenario.

I hear you.

Since we are speaking in hypotheticals. You've got your infant son on the trunk or back seat (not secured in his seat) and this goes down.

How does it play out for you when guy yells at ya.

What if he gets out and is coming toward you yelling and making threatening gestures... What is your plan? Assuming the area is somewhat isolated.

Again, purely hypothetically.... I recognize these types of scenarios are few and far between. Just curious on how you would handle the two inflection points above in Trey's shoes, absent a firearm.

Considering my infant son is in more danger if I were to be killed, or knocked unconscious. I would immediately get my kid inside the vehicle, maybe not completely secured, but its far safer that way until I get away from the immediate threat. Meanwhile I'm dialing 911 and giving them a description of the person/vehicle threatening me.

So... if a guy has parked nearby, is threatening you, and has now gotten out of his car and has started the 5-10 second walk toward you, your first instinct is to take your eyes off him and bury your head in the backseat of your car?

 

[[icon]]

Since we are speaking in hypotheticals. You've got your infant son on the trunk or back seat (not secured in his seat) and this goes down.

How does it play out for you when guy yells at ya.

What if he gets out and is coming toward you yelling and making threatening gestures... What is your plan? Assuming the area is somewhat isolated.

Again, purely hypothetically.... I recognize these types of scenarios are few and far between. Just curious on how you would handle the two inflection points above in Trey's shoes, absent a firearm.

You're assuming that my infant son isn't packing his own piece, Rook.

Valid point here.

 

[Bucky86]

Soo.... notice any similarities between his "two" stories, by chance?

Oops.

Doesn't really change anything with regard to my position.

I hear ya... not sure how I'd handle that situation. that said at night with an infant in the car, I don't fault him for drawing... smart to not fire. If the guy presses on with an aggressive posture in the face of a loaded weapon I don't think there's a jury in this country that would find him guilty given the situation.

Me.. I'd probably ignore the ####### rather than engaging him verbally. If he got out of the car I'd either get back in my car and pull away, or draw as well. Depends on a ton of variables... how easily I can get in the car with the infant safely seated, how aggressive the guy is being, the surroundings, etc. Sadly these scenarios are rarely black/white. If your preference is to hold off and defend yourself via fistfight with your infant kid there, I suppose that's your right.

If you have a gun, a fist fight isn't really an option. Kinda what I think about... seems if you are engaged or engage when you have a gun, you have to pull it. You really don't want to be wrestling with someone with a gun on your hip.

A gun in the car, or within reach.. I'm good with that. If you have a gun on you and get in a true pickle, you get away (my choice 9/10 times), or draw... when I think I'd draw I start to think of all the ways that doesn't go to plan.

In my head, even that 1 of 10 times I still wouldn't require a gun in any likely scenario.

I hear you.

Since we are speaking in hypotheticals. You've got your infant son on the trunk or back seat (not secured in his seat) and this goes down.

How does it play out for you when guy yells at ya.

What if he gets out and is coming toward you yelling and making threatening gestures... What is your plan? Assuming the area is somewhat isolated.

Again, purely hypothetically.... I recognize these types of scenarios are few and far between. Just curious on how you would handle the two inflection points above in Trey's shoes, absent a firearm.

Considering my infant son is in more danger if I were to be killed, or knocked unconscious. I would immediately get my kid inside the vehicle, maybe not completely secured, but its far safer that way until I get away from the immediate threat. Meanwhile I'm dialing 911 and giving them a description of the person/vehicle threatening me.

So... if a guy has parked nearby, is threatening you, and has now gotten out of his car and has started the 5-10 second walk toward you, your first instinct is to take your eyes off him and bury your head in the backseat of your car?

Well, if he's only walking then yes. Maybe he just wants to yell some more and isn't actually interested in attacking me.

 

[[icon]]

Soo.... notice any similarities between his "two" stories, by chance?

Oops.

Doesn't really change anything with regard to my position.

I hear ya... not sure how I'd handle that situation. that said at night with an infant in the car, I don't fault him for drawing... smart to not fire. If the guy presses on with an aggressive posture in the face of a loaded weapon I don't think there's a jury in this country that would find him guilty given the situation.

Me.. I'd probably ignore the ####### rather than engaging him verbally. If he got out of the car I'd either get back in my car and pull away, or draw as well. Depends on a ton of variables... how easily I can get in the car with the infant safely seated, how aggressive the guy is being, the surroundings, etc. Sadly these scenarios are rarely black/white. If your preference is to hold off and defend yourself via fistfight with your infant kid there, I suppose that's your right.

If you have a gun, a fist fight isn't really an option. Kinda what I think about... seems if you are engaged or engage when you have a gun, you have to pull it. You really don't want to be wrestling with someone with a gun on your hip.

A gun in the car, or within reach.. I'm good with that. If you have a gun on you and get in a true pickle, you get away (my choice 9/10 times), or draw... when I think I'd draw I start to think of all the ways that doesn't go to plan.

In my head, even that 1 of 10 times I still wouldn't require a gun in any likely scenario.

I hear you.

Since we are speaking in hypotheticals. You've got your infant son on the trunk or back seat (not secured in his seat) and this goes down.

How does it play out for you when guy yells at ya.

What if he gets out and is coming toward you yelling and making threatening gestures... What is your plan? Assuming the area is somewhat isolated.

Again, purely hypothetically.... I recognize these types of scenarios are few and far between. Just curious on how you would handle the two inflection points above in Trey's shoes, absent a firearm.

Considering my infant son is in more danger if I were to be killed, or knocked unconscious. I would immediately get my kid inside the vehicle, maybe not completely secured, but its far safer that way until I get away from the immediate threat. Meanwhile I'm dialing 911 and giving them a description of the person/vehicle threatening me.

So... if a guy has parked nearby, is threatening you, and has now gotten out of his car and has started the 5-10 second walk toward you, your first instinct is to take your eyes off him and bury your head in the backseat of your car?

Well, if he's only walking then yes. Maybe he just wants to yell some more and isn't actually interested in attacking me.

So your assessment of a situation where a guy is screaming threats at you and had opted to exit his vehicle and is now approaching you while continuing the threats is "Maybe he's not interested in attacking me"? You think maybe he's wanting to sell you some girl scout cookies?

 

[NutterButter]

By the logic provided in here, if everyone carried just about every altercation would end with pieces pulled, or there would be no more altercations.

I vote #1 most likely.

I'm curious what a pro-carry response would be to this.

 

[Bucky86]

Soo.... notice any similarities between his "two" stories, by chance?

Oops.

Doesn't really change anything with regard to my position.

I hear ya... not sure how I'd handle that situation. that said at night with an infant in the car, I don't fault him for drawing... smart to not fire. If the guy presses on with an aggressive posture in the face of a loaded weapon I don't think there's a jury in this country that would find him guilty given the situation.

Me.. I'd probably ignore the ####### rather than engaging him verbally. If he got out of the car I'd either get back in my car and pull away, or draw as well. Depends on a ton of variables... how easily I can get in the car with the infant safely seated, how aggressive the guy is being, the surroundings, etc. Sadly these scenarios are rarely black/white. If your preference is to hold off and defend yourself via fistfight with your infant kid there, I suppose that's your right.

If you have a gun, a fist fight isn't really an option. Kinda what I think about... seems if you are engaged or engage when you have a gun, you have to pull it. You really don't want to be wrestling with someone with a gun on your hip.

A gun in the car, or within reach.. I'm good with that. If you have a gun on you and get in a true pickle, you get away (my choice 9/10 times), or draw... when I think I'd draw I start to think of all the ways that doesn't go to plan.

In my head, even that 1 of 10 times I still wouldn't require a gun in any likely scenario.

I hear you.

Since we are speaking in hypotheticals. You've got your infant son on the trunk or back seat (not secured in his seat) and this goes down.

How does it play out for you when guy yells at ya.

What if he gets out and is coming toward you yelling and making threatening gestures... What is your plan? Assuming the area is somewhat isolated.

Again, purely hypothetically.... I recognize these types of scenarios are few and far between. Just curious on how you would handle the two inflection points above in Trey's shoes, absent a firearm.

Considering my infant son is in more danger if I were to be killed, or knocked unconscious. I would immediately get my kid inside the vehicle, maybe not completely secured, but its far safer that way until I get away from the immediate threat. Meanwhile I'm dialing 911 and giving them a description of the person/vehicle threatening me.

So... if a guy has parked nearby, is threatening you, and has now gotten out of his car and has started the 5-10 second walk toward you, your first instinct is to take your eyes off him and bury your head in the backseat of your car?

Well, if he's only walking then yes. Maybe he just wants to yell some more and isn't actually interested in attacking me.

So your assessment of a situation where a guy is screaming threats at you and had opted to exit his vehicle and is now approaching you while continuing the threats is "Maybe he's not interested in attacking me"? You think maybe he's wanting to sell you some girl scout cookies?

Now he's screaming threats? or is he just making threatening gestures?

 

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By the logic provided in here, if everyone carried just about every altercation would end with pieces pulled, or there would be no more altercations.

I vote #1 most likely.

I'm curious what a pro-carry response would be to this.

Thankfully scenarios like described are few and far between. I've personally never been in that situation. I'd wager most folks haven't either.

 

[[icon]]

So your assessment of a situation where a guy is screaming threats at you and had opted to exit his vehicle and is now approaching you while continuing the threats is "Maybe he's not interested in attacking me"? You think maybe he's wanting to sell you some girl scout cookies?

Now he's screaming threats? or is he just making threatening gestures?

"The driver rolled down his window and began yelling obscenities and threats at me. I told him that I didn't even know who the hell he was and that he should leave. He continued to scream obscenities and told me that he was going to kick my ###. Again, I told him that he should leave. Then he got out of his car. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He started towards me,"

 

[pantherclub]

We were driving home one night from my parents. My infant son had just thrown up in his car seat, so I pulled into this carwash to clean it/him up. A car pulled upand honked. The driver rolled down his window and began yelling obscenities and threats at me. I told him that I didn't even know who the hell he was and that he should leave. He continued to scream obscenities and told me that he was going to kick my ###. Again, I told him that he should leave. Then he got out of his car. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He started towards me, I pulled my weapon. He stopped. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He did. I got in my truck and got the hell out of there before he came back. I would have shot him had he not stopped.

I thought he was an imminent threat. Did I break the law? Not in my mind. I hope that I never have to be in that position again.

Yes, the cornerstone of the American justice system.

"Not in my mind" seems like it would hold up.

lololololololol

 

[Bucky86]

By the logic provided in here, if everyone carried just about every altercation would end with pieces pulled, or there would be no more altercations.

I vote #1 most likely.

I'm curious what a pro-carry response would be to this.

Thankfully scenarios like described are few and far between. I've personally never been in that situation. I'd wager most folks haven't either.

I think based on this thread we know the answer. The pro-carry crowd all for confronting potentially dangerous people. The other crowd is all about finding ways to retreat from the situation.

 

[Bucky86]

So your assessment of a situation where a guy is screaming threats at you and had opted to exit his vehicle and is now approaching you while continuing the threats is "Maybe he's not interested in attacking me"? You think maybe he's wanting to sell you some girl scout cookies?

Now he's screaming threats? or is he just making threatening gestures?

"The driver rolled down his window and began yelling obscenities and threats at me. I told him that I didn't even know who the hell he was and that he should leave. He continued to scream obscenities and told me that he was going to kick my ###. Again, I told him that he should leave. Then he got out of his car. I told him to get back in his car and leave. He started towards me,"

So, if a guy did that to me Im immediately buckling up my kid and getting back in the car. Or i'm grabbing my kid and going into the car wash where the workers are. You can continue to shape the argument in any way possible to leave someone with no other options, but to shoot him, or try to fight him.

 

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So, if a guy did that to me Im immediately buckling up my kid and getting back in the car. Or i'm grabbing my kid and going into the car wash where the workers are. You can continue to shape the argument in any way possible to leave someone with no other options, but to shoot him, or try to fight him.

I'm not shaping the argument, you're refusing to accept the scenario. Where in the scenario did you see anything about there being any employees at the car wash. Pretty much every hand wash type station like this is coin op and unmanned.

Again, if you've got your infant out and you're tending to him and the guy gets out of the car after threatening you, you don't have time to secure your kid and drive away. If you want to re-enact the worst horror movie scenes of all time and scoop the kid up in your arms and run away, leaving your car behind...I guess that's a valid strategy.

 

[James Daulton]

By the logic provided in here, if everyone carried just about every altercation would end with pieces pulled, or there would be no more altercations.

I vote #1 most likely.

I'm curious what a pro-carry response would be to this.

Thankfully scenarios like described are few and far between. I've personally never been in that situation. I'd wager most folks haven't either.

I think based on this thread we know the answer. The pro-carry crowd all for confronting potentially dangerous people. The other crowd is all about finding ways to retreat from the situation.

There are other ways of dealing with it besides either drawing or retreating. People get into fights all the time that sometimes stay verbal and sometimes results in fists flying.

 

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The pro-carry crowd all for confronting potentially dangerous people. The other crowd is all about finding ways to retreat from the situation.

I don't think you've been listening to anything anyone has been saying... or perhaps you're just not very good at reading.

 

[Bucky86]

So, if a guy did that to me Im immediately buckling up my kid and getting back in the car. Or i'm grabbing my kid and going into the car wash where the workers are. You can continue to shape the argument in any way possible to leave someone with no other options, but to shoot him, or try to fight him.

I'm not shaping the argument, you're refusing to accept the scenario. Where in the scenario did you see anything about there being any employees at the car wash. Pretty much every hand wash type station like this is coin op and unmanned.

Again, if you've got your infant out and you're tending to him and the guy gets out of the car after threatening you, you don't have time to secure your kid and drive away. If you want to re-enact the worst horror movie scenes of all time and scoop the kid up in your arms and run away, leaving your car behind...I guess that's a valid strategy.

So, I don't secure my kid and jump in the car with him on my lap and drive away. There. I've extracted my family from a dangerous situation without resorting to pulling out a gun, or getting into a physical altercation with someone that just might be mentally disturbed and does nothing more than yell at people driving silver BMW's.

 

[Bucky86]

The pro-carry crowd all for confronting potentially dangerous people. The other crowd is all about finding ways to retreat from the situation.

I don't think you've been listening to anything anyone has been saying... or perhaps you're just not very good at reading.

I have been listening. You guys just like to live in your fictional world of "what if" scenarios that allow you to use your gun to save the day.

 

[Bucky86]

I'm not even anti-gun. I just find it funny when you gun nuts like to make every situation an opportunity to use your gun.

 

[matuski]

Soo.... notice any similarities between his "two" stories, by chance?

Oops.

Doesn't really change anything with regard to my position.

I hear ya... not sure how I'd handle that situation. that said at night with an infant in the car, I don't fault him for drawing... smart to not fire. If the guy presses on with an aggressive posture in the face of a loaded weapon I don't think there's a jury in this country that would find him guilty given the situation.

Me.. I'd probably ignore the ####### rather than engaging him verbally. If he got out of the car I'd either get back in my car and pull away, or draw as well. Depends on a ton of variables... how easily I can get in the car with the infant safely seated, how aggressive the guy is being, the surroundings, etc. Sadly these scenarios are rarely black/white. If your preference is to hold off and defend yourself via fistfight with your infant kid there, I suppose that's your right.

If you have a gun, a fist fight isn't really an option. Kinda what I think about... seems if you are engaged or engage when you have a gun, you have to pull it. You really don't want to be wrestling with someone with a gun on your hip.

A gun in the car, or within reach.. I'm good with that. If you have a gun on you and get in a true pickle, you get away (my choice 9/10 times), or draw... when I think I'd draw I start to think of all the ways that doesn't go to plan.

In my head, even that 1 of 10 times I still wouldn't require a gun in any likely scenario.

I hear you.

Since we are speaking in hypotheticals. You've got your infant son on the trunk or back seat (not secured in his seat) and this goes down.

How does it play out for you when guy yells at ya.

What if he gets out and is coming toward you yelling and making threatening gestures... What is your plan? Assuming the area is somewhat isolated.

Again, purely hypothetically.... I recognize these types of scenarios are few and far between. Just curious on how you would handle the two inflection points above in Trey's shoes, absent a firearm.

I look to leave. I look to leave again. I make eye contact, read the situation, take inventory of what I have at my disposal, I'd stall him any way I could, prepare to defend myself.... while finding a way to leave. I have a phone, I'd likely start there if leaving wasn't an option (how could leaving a car wash not be an option?).

I'm not saying it would be fun. Honestly sounds like a predicament I wouldn't let myself get into....

 

[Bucky86]

Soo.... notice any similarities between his "two" stories, by chance?

Oops.

Doesn't really change anything with regard to my position.

I hear ya... not sure how I'd handle that situation. that said at night with an infant in the car, I don't fault him for drawing... smart to not fire. If the guy presses on with an aggressive posture in the face of a loaded weapon I don't think there's a jury in this country that would find him guilty given the situation.

Me.. I'd probably ignore the ####### rather than engaging him verbally. If he got out of the car I'd either get back in my car and pull away, or draw as well. Depends on a ton of variables... how easily I can get in the car with the infant safely seated, how aggressive the guy is being, the surroundings, etc. Sadly these scenarios are rarely black/white. If your preference is to hold off and defend yourself via fistfight with your infant kid there, I suppose that's your right.

If you have a gun, a fist fight isn't really an option. Kinda what I think about... seems if you are engaged or engage when you have a gun, you have to pull it. You really don't want to be wrestling with someone with a gun on your hip.

A gun in the car, or within reach.. I'm good with that. If you have a gun on you and get in a true pickle, you get away (my choice 9/10 times), or draw... when I think I'd draw I start to think of all the ways that doesn't go to plan.

In my head, even that 1 of 10 times I still wouldn't require a gun in any likely scenario.

I hear you.

Since we are speaking in hypotheticals. You've got your infant son on the trunk or back seat (not secured in his seat) and this goes down.

How does it play out for you when guy yells at ya.

What if he gets out and is coming toward you yelling and making threatening gestures... What is your plan? Assuming the area is somewhat isolated.

Again, purely hypothetically.... I recognize these types of scenarios are few and far between. Just curious on how you would handle the two inflection points above in Trey's shoes, absent a firearm.

I look to leave. I look to leave again. I make eye contact, read the situation, take inventory of what I have at my disposal, prepare to defend myself.... while finding a way to leave. I have a phone, I'd likely start there if leaving wasn't an option (how could leaving a car wash not be an option?).

I'm not saying it would be fun. Honestly sounds like a predicament I wouldn't let myself get into....

YOU FROZE. YOU'RE DEAD!!

 

[CBusAlex]

What do you do it, instead of an angry dude, it's a pack of genetically mutated wolves with bulletproof skin?

 

[tonydead]

If you shoot this guy dead aren't you putting yourself into the position of proving this guy was an imminent threat? If it turns out this guy isn't even armed isn't that a pretty sticky wicket? Weighing the odds that this stranger is even capable of following through with his threats; I'd at least have see if flight was an option and let it escalate further until I pulled out a gun.

 

[Bucky86]

If you shoot this guy dead aren't you putting yourself into the position of proving this guy was an imminent threat? If it turns out this guy isn't even armed isn't that a pretty sticky wicket? Weighing the odds that this stranger is even capable of following through with his threats; I'd at least have see if flight was an option and let it escalate further until I pulled out a gun.

Agree. Also, what if we pulled out our gun first and then other guy pulled out his. We miss and he shoots and kills us and claims self-defense. Technically he was responding to a threat.

 

[Jobber]

I carry pretty rarely. Mostly road trips, camping, or the mall on occasion. That said, retreating is always the answer. If you can. Certainly a kid in tow changes things.

 

[matuski]

Also, is this guy 5 foot nothing 125 pounds?

 

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The pro-carry crowd all for confronting potentially dangerous people. The other crowd is all about finding ways to retreat from the situation.

I don't think you've been listening to anything anyone has been saying... or perhaps you're just not very good at reading.

I have been listening. You guys just like to live in your fictional world of "what if" scenarios that allow you to use your gun to save the day.

Apparently you haven't been listening very well...

Let me help: We've been discussing an actual (not fictional) scenario where trey actually DID "use" his gun to save the day.

HTH

 

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Also, is this guy 5 foot nothing 125 pounds?

I hope so. Midget tossing is good fun!

 

[jwb]

I carry almost all the time (NY). Usually my LCP 380, because it's so compact. Love this gun for CC.

In a perfect world, nobody in the general public would have guns. But until that world comes, and other people have them, I want one too.

I carry more or less as a defense against the hypothetical "what if". I have no illusions about winning a quick draw/etc (I don't keep my gun racked, so I'm losing any faceoff.) But I do want it for better protection for that "God Forbid" day that my wife and I are at the mall (etc) and shots are fired by some crazy person fed up with life.

 

[captain_amazing]

the counterpoint to what I posted above is that in the movie Swingers, after that one guy flashed his piece at the uppity house of pain looking guys, they all became good buddies and ended up playing NHL 95 on the SNES together. so I'm not sure where I stand on this issue.

Well I know where I stand now. NHL 94 is where it's at.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

The pro-carry crowd all for confronting potentially dangerous people. The other crowd is all about finding ways to retreat from the situation.

I don't think you've been listening to anything anyone has been saying... or perhaps you're just not very good at reading.

I have been listening. You guys just like to live in your fictional world of "what if" scenarios that allow you to use your gun to save the day.

what if you'd had a gun on you when the "mexican" barred his teeth at you and muttered in something in spanish?

 

[Bucky86]

The pro-carry crowd all for confronting potentially dangerous people. The other crowd is all about finding ways to retreat from the situation.

I don't think you've been listening to anything anyone has been saying... or perhaps you're just not very good at reading.

I have been listening. You guys just like to live in your fictional world of "what if" scenarios that allow you to use your gun to save the day.

what if you'd had a gun on you when the "mexican" barred his teeth at you and muttered in something in spanish?

I would've karate chopped him. Kicked out his knee and then jumped on his back and pulled out my gun and put to his head and said, "Don't #### with me hombre.I'm a FBG"

 

[John Bender]

The pro-carry crowd all for confronting potentially dangerous people. The other crowd is all about finding ways to retreat from the situation.

I don't think you've been listening to anything anyone has been saying... or perhaps you're just not very good at reading.

I have been listening. You guys just like to live in your fictional world of "what if" scenarios that allow you to use your gun to save the day.

what if you'd had a gun on you when the "mexican" barred his teeth at you and muttered in something in spanish?

He would post on FBGs for help with what to do next time he was in the situation and then never finish the thread and let us know how it turned out. :(

 

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the counterpoint to what I posted above is that in the movie Swingers, after that one guy flashed his piece at the uppity house of pain looking guys, they all became good buddies and ended up playing NHL 95 on the SNES together. so I'm not sure where I stand on this issue.

Well I know where I stand now. NHL 94 is where it's at.

Do that thing with the thing... make gretsky's head bleed!

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

concealed carry worked for ice cube in that one scene at the beginning of boyz n the hood where they were on the strip and all he had to do was lift up his shirt to show his gun and the other gangsters took off.

but it came back to bite him when those same gangster ended up shooting his brother.

be careful out there guys.

RIIIIIIIIKKKKKKKYYYYYYYYYYY

 

[timschochet]

A well trained gunman with excellent skills faces a martial arts expert. Who wins?

 

[Scoresman]

A well trained gunman with excellent skills faces a martial arts expert. Who wins?

A very similar scenario to this was answered in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

 

[timschochet]

A well trained gunman with excellent skills faces a martial arts expert. Who wins?

A very similar scenario to this was answered in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

That guy was too far away though. Jackie Chan takes on guys with guns all the time.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

concealed carry worked for ice cube in that one scene at the beginning of boyz n the hood where they were on the strip and all he had to do was lift up his shirt to show his gun and the other gangsters took off.

but it came back to bite him when those same gangster ended up shooting his brother.

be careful out there guys.

RIIIIIIIIKKKKKKKYYYYYYYYYYY

I still got one brother left oooochild: