Does Matt Holliday hit .300? (1 Viewer)

[ScottNorwood]

Career .319 hitter overall

Career .280 hitter outside of Coors

 

[MAC_32]

Of the five standard categories in most roto leagues his average is the last cat I'm concerned about.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Of the five standard categories in most roto leagues his average is the last cat I'm concerned about.

.....ok

 

[Wrigley]

Of the five standard categories in most roto leagues his average is the last cat I'm concerned about.

But you're concerned?

 

[MAC_32]

Of the five standard categories in most roto leagues his average is the last cat I'm concerned about.

.....ok

You're not more concerned that Colorado as a team was near the top of the league in SB attempts and Oakland was near the bottom?You're not concerned with his power being sapped away from Coors?You're not concerned his R and RBI totals may dive with the move to 2008's least productive offense?

 

[trogg78]

My biggest concern would be only getting 20-25hrs without any sb's in the second round. I would much rather have Brandon Phillips.

ETA: I think he will stay around .300. I wouldn't worry about his average as much.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Of the five standard categories in most roto leagues his average is the last cat I'm concerned about.

.....ok

You're not more concerned that Colorado as a team was near the top of the league in SB attempts and Oakland was near the bottom?You're not concerned with his power being sapped away from Coors?You're not concerned his R and RBI totals may dive with the move to 2008's least productive offense?

I would say that all those numbers will decline. But that's not what the thread is about

 

[MAC_32]

Of the five standard categories in most roto leagues his average is the last cat I'm concerned about.

.....ok

You're not more concerned that Colorado as a team was near the top of the league in SB attempts and Oakland was near the bottom?You're not concerned with his power being sapped away from Coors?You're not concerned his R and RBI totals may dive with the move to 2008's least productive offense?

I would say that all those numbers will decline. But that's not what the thread is about

Something to keep in mind, his numbers increased towards the end of long road trips away from Coors. This makes sense as he improved after he had time to adjust to the lower altitudes. I wouldn't worry about his avg, it should be north of 300. It's everything else that's a bit dicier.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Holliday's career average includes the developmental years. He has hit over .300 on the road each of the past two seasons.

 

[MrPhoenix]

I'm expecting something like .306 with 26 HRs and 91 RBI.

 

[guru_007]

I'm not crazy about Holliday this year, but I think he'll be okay.

.310/33/100 rbi/90 runs/15 sb's

You can't compare Rockies sb attempts vs A's, because you play the hand you're dealt with. The A's last year had guys like Cust, Barton, Hannahan, Buck, etc....None of these guys is going to run very much. Rocks had younger, speedier players, of course they're going to run.

And while Holliday was certainly more comfortable at home than on the road, he's been pretty stout across the board the past 3 1/2 years and is only 29.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm not crazy about Holliday this year, but I think he'll be okay..310/33/100 rbi/90 runs/15 sb'sYou can't compare Rockies sb attempts vs A's, because you play the hand you're dealt with. The A's last year had guys like Cust, Barton, Hannahan, Buck, etc....None of these guys is going to run very much. Rocks had younger, speedier players, of course they're going to run.And while Holliday was certainly more comfortable at home than on the road, he's been pretty stout across the board the past 3 1/2 years and is only 29.

His 93% SB success rate last year is even more reason for optimism on the basepaths.

 

[Eephus]

Yahoo has Holliday rated at #35 overall and OF#15 which seems ridiculously low. Even if he loses 5% production across the board, he's still a better five category option than someone like Carlos Lee.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

[Eephus]

Grade C prospect.

[/Eephus]

Look, I'm as big of a Holliday honk as there's been since the earliest days, but he's going to be much less valuable in Oakland. His steals are going to disappear, his power numbers will drop, and even his average is in jeopardy. This team sucks hard, and Holliday isn't going to be able to resurrect it. Here is what I expect:

.283 AVG, 23 HR, 85 RBI, 88 R, 6 SB

I think the downside could be even worse, frankly.

 

[Eephus]

[Eephus]Grade C prospect.[/Eephus]Look, I'm as big of a Holliday honk as there's been since the earliest days, but he's going to be much less valuable in Oakland. His steals are going to disappear, his power numbers will drop, and even his average is in jeopardy. This team sucks hard, and Holliday isn't going to be able to resurrect it. Here is what I expect:.283 AVG, 23 HR, 85 RBI, 88 R, 6 SBI think the downside could be even worse, frankly.

I guess we'll find out how much of Holliday's production was due to Coors. I don't think he'll fall off a cliff. The Mausoleum is a pitcher's park but has been around HR neutral for two out of the past three years. The A's aren't a great offense but they're by far the best one in the Bay Area. There will be some guys on base for Holliday and others to knock him in.Even the SB factor is overrated. The A's were at the AL median for SBs in 2008 (they were last in CS). Holliday won't steal 28 again but that was a one year event. I think he's good for 12-15 which is around his pre-2008 level.He's also has a pretty good chance of being dealt at the deadline, and probably not to San Diego.

 

[Balco]

He is going to be a great value pick because people will overstate him leaving Coors.

 

[awesomeness]

He is going to be a great value pick because people will overstate him leaving Coors.

If people think he's going to hit below .290 and steal below 10 bases, this guy is definitely going to be a steal.

 

[awesomeness]

[Eephus]

Grade C prospect.

[/Eephus]

Look, I'm as big of a Holliday honk as there's been since the earliest days, but he's going to be much less valuable in Oakland. His steals are going to disappear, his power numbers will drop, and even his average is in jeopardy. This team sucks hard, and Holliday isn't going to be able to resurrect it. Here is what I expect:

.283 AVG, 23 HR, 85 RBI, 88 R, 6 SB

I think the downside could be even worse, frankly.

There's no way Holliday steals less than 10 bases, and i see no reason why he can't steal 20+ again. The reason the A's had so few SB's is because their team is slow as ####, not because Bob Geren doesn't want to risk anything.

Look at Rajai Davis. The guy had 196 at bats, a .288 OBP, and he ended the year with 25 SB's while being caught 6 times. Geren will send the guys if they got the speed.

 

[Spartans Rule]

He is going to be a great value pick because people will overstate him leaving Coors.

If people think he's going to hit below .290 and steal below 10 bases, this guy is definitely going to be a steal.

Very few people think that. Holliday's ADP is around 15-17. When I look at his road splits from the past few years, he reminds me an awful lot of Nick Markakis, and I expect similar numbers from those two this year. I'd rather draft Markakis a round later.

 

[MrPhoenix]

He is going to be a great value pick because people will overstate him leaving Coors.

If people think he's going to hit below .290 and steal below 10 bases, this guy is definitely going to be a steal.

Very few people think that. Holliday's ADP is around 15-17. When I look at his road splits from the past few years, he reminds me an awful lot of Nick Markakis, and I expect similar numbers from those two this year. I'd rather draft Markakis a round later.

on all counts.Holliday is going to see a dent in his production, but he'll still rake. But I do see Markakis busting out. Actually, I see the Orioles offense surprising a lot of people this year. There's actually some talent there. Huff and Markakis will rake, Roberts will hit, run, and get runs. Mora, Wigginton, and Izturis are decent later round options, and Pie and "the other" Adam Jones will continue to develop for keeper leagues.It's a shame their pitching is a complete utter disaster, and that'll keep them buried in the standings.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

[Eephus]Grade C prospect.[/Eephus]Look, I'm as big of a Holliday honk as there's been since the earliest days, but he's going to be much less valuable in Oakland. His steals are going to disappear, his power numbers will drop, and even his average is in jeopardy. This team sucks hard, and Holliday isn't going to be able to resurrect it. Here is what I expect:.283 AVG, 23 HR, 85 RBI, 88 R, 6 SBI think the downside could be even worse, frankly.

I guess we'll find out how much of Holliday's production was due to Coors. I don't think he'll fall off a cliff. The Mausoleum is a pitcher's park but has been around HR neutral for two out of the past three years. The A's aren't a great offense but they're by far the best one in the Bay Area. There will be some guys on base for Holliday and others to knock him in.Even the SB factor is overrated. The A's were at the AL median for SBs in 2008 (they were last in CS). Holliday won't steal 28 again but that was a one year event. I think he's good for 12-15 which is around his pre-2008 level.He's also has a pretty good chance of being dealt at the deadline, and probably not to San Diego.

He's not going to be drafted anywhere near where he should be. I think the steals disappear. Plenty of guys with marginal speed steal a load of bases in a select season never to repeat. Holliday isn't a stolen base jockey, nor should he be. I have to laugh at you defending him like this. You ragged on this guy up and down mercilessly, and I'll never let you forget it.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I was happy to see him sitting there for me at #20 in my draft last night. He's easily a top 3 outfielder.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

He is going to be a great value pick because people will overstate him leaving Coors.

If people think he's going to hit below .290 and steal below 10 bases, this guy is definitely going to be a steal.

Have either of you looked at the ADP for Holliday? No one thinks this. People are dowgrading him slightly, but I'm expecting him to be pedestrian. All it takes is one guy who thinks he's going to be very good for him to not be a value. I'd be shocked if you found one draft where he was a "value."

 

[Wrigley]

I was happy to see him sitting there for me at #20 in my draft last night. He's easily a top 3 outfielder.

It could be argued.

 

[Limp Ditka]

He is going to be a great value pick because people will overstate him leaving Coors.

If people think he's going to hit below .290 and steal below 10 bases, this guy is definitely going to be a steal.

Have either of you looked at the ADP for Holliday? No one thinks this. People are dowgrading him slightly, but I'm expecting him to be pedestrian. All it takes is one guy who thinks he's going to be very good for him to not be a value. I'd be shocked if you found one draft where he was a "value."

Agreed. 4 of his 5 standard 5X5 numbers fall of a cliff when he's on the roadBA.280 on the road.357 at CoorsRuns per game0.57 on the road0.79 at CoorsRBI per game0.52 on the road0.85 at CoorsHR per game0.13 on the road0.24 at CoorsAdd to that He gets put in the park with the most foul territory, as well as not homer friendly and he has to learn the pitching in a new leagueAll bad signs IMOThe guy has monumental bust written all over him. I wouldn't touch him before about pick 50 overall.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Seriously kids, sell why the name can still garner you something. This isn't going to be pretty.

 

[Eephus]

Seriously kids, sell why the name can still garner you something. This isn't going to be pretty.

Going into today's game, his AVG was .278 (10 for 36). If one of the outs had been a hit he'd be hitting .305 (11 for 36). No SB & no HR, but he's on pace for 162 RBI. In other words, it's still early.

 

[Billy Bats]

Not helping his trade value, I already benched him in week 2 for Cruz. But he'll be back in next week for Rios. I would be happy with .285, 24hrs, 95rbi, 15sb.

 

[cosjobs]

Not helping his trade value, I already benched him in week 2 for Cruz. But he'll be back in next week for Rios. I would be happy with .285, 24hrs, 95rbi, 15sb.

I'm a little late to the party, but I think he'll go about.304, 80R, 92 RBIs, 25 HRs, 9 SBedit to add: about the same as Hunter Pence

 

[Limp Ditka]

Seriously kids, sell why the name can still garner you something. This isn't going to be pretty.

Going into today's game, his AVG was .278 (10 for 36). If one of the outs had been a hit he'd be hitting .305 (11 for 36). No SB & no HR, but he's on pace for 162 RBI. In other words, it's still early.

update?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This guy is killing me. Trade him back to Colorado.

 

[Eephus]

Seriously kids, sell why the name can still garner you something. This isn't going to be pretty.

Going into today's game, his AVG was .278 (10 for 36). If one of the outs had been a hit he'd be hitting .305 (11 for 36). No SB & no HR, but he's on pace for 162 RBI. In other words, it's still early.

update?

He's 22 for 97. If 7 of the outs were converted to hits, Holliday would be batting .298.He's probably going to have to be traded to have any SB value though

 

[Limp Ditka]

Seriously kids, sell why the name can still garner you something. This isn't going to be pretty.

Going into today's game, his AVG was .278 (10 for 36). If one of the outs had been a hit he'd be hitting .305 (11 for 36). No SB & no HR, but he's on pace for 162 RBI. In other words, it's still early.

update?

He's 22 for 97. If 7 of the outs were converted to hits, Holliday would be batting .298.He's probably going to have to be traded to have any SB value though

Thanks for the info Crash Davis

 

[Mr. Pickles]

You were all warned.

 

[Zimm]

I just don't see him doing that well in the AL. And Coors really helped this guy he is a solid player don't get me wrong but he won't put up as good of numbers as he did. And they don't run much out there in Oakland so i think his SB numbers go down as well.

285 15 90

 

[Eephus]

Seriously kids, sell why the name can still garner you something. This isn't going to be pretty.

Going into today's game, his AVG was .278 (10 for 36). If one of the outs had been a hit he'd be hitting .305 (11 for 36). No SB & no HR, but he's on pace for 162 RBI. In other words, it's still early.

update?

He's 22 for 97. If 7 of the outs were converted to hits, Holliday would be batting .298.He's probably going to have to be traded to have any SB value though

Thanks for the info Crash Davis

17 more hits and he'd be batting .400

 

[Limp Ditka]

Been pretty hot over the last 3 weeks or so. Has the average up to .286

 

[Mr. Pickles]

.283 AVG, 23 HR, 85 RBI, 88 R, 6 SBI think the downside could be even worse, frankly.

Projected:.275, 16 HR, 83 RBI, 78 R, 17 SB

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Now that he has Pujols in front of him, I'd say his chances went up about 1000%. He's at .297 right now.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This guy is killing me. Trade him back to Colorado St Louis.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Update:

Since moving to the Cards, Holliday is batting .475 in 80 ABs raising his season average to .320.

Now projected for:

.320, 22 HR, 105 RBI, 95 R, 19 SB

Unbelievable turnaround.

 

[Knightro]

He's hitting .412 this month despite a 5% line drive rate and a 0.11 BB/K. That's just insane

 

[Eephus]

I figured this would be a good time for piling on

 

[Gadfly]

He's .300 on balls hit right to him in left field.

 

[guru_007]

I'm not crazy about Holliday this year, but I think he'll be okay..310/33/100 rbi/90 runs/15 sb's

ended at .313/24/109/94/14looks like I have some tinkering to do with my baseball projection application in the offseason.

 

[Eephus]

I'm not crazy about Holliday this year, but I think he'll be okay..310/33/100 rbi/90 runs/15 sb's

ended at .313/24/109/94/14looks like I have some tinkering to do with my baseball projection application in the offseason.

Got any stock tips?

 

[awesomeness]

You were all warned.

 

[BoulderBob]

If he wants $10 million per year more than Bay, the Red Sox should stick with Bay. I don't think Holliday is that much better, aside from his defense.

 

[Ghost Rider]

If he wants $10 million per year more than Bay, the Red Sox should stick with Bay. I don't think Holliday is that much better, aside from his defense.

Plus, Holliday is an October choker.

 

[Eephus]

If he wants $10 million per year more than Bay, the Red Sox should stick with Bay. I don't think Holliday is that much better, aside from his defense.