Does Rex stay the starter the entire year? (1 Viewer)

[Banger]

As I said in the game day thread, when I watch the Bears I go in knowing that Grossman isn't a good QB but then I see him play and he always amazes me with how frustrating he is to watch. Absolutely zero pocket awareness, mental lapses left and right and he's single handedly a drive killer. I'm just wondering if Lovie sees the same thing as the rest of the world. I would think that he's got to be on a shorter leash this year, right?

I don't think that Griese is some saviour but in my view they really don't need one. They just need someone who can take a snap without fumbling and hand it off and get the offense is some kind of rhythm.

Does Lovie stick by Grossman all season or does he make a switch?

 

[barndog]

If he didn't bench him in the latter half of last season, he just won't.

 

[Banger]

If he didn't bench him in the latter half of last season, he just won't.

I was surprised last season but could understand giving him a shot but I just can't see them wasting another season hoping he sees the light. Whatever ever work he did in the offseason (and I'm sure he worked very hard to correct his problems) seems to have disappeared once he stepped foot into real game action. He looks exactly like the same qb as late last season and this was the vaunted Colts 1st string defense we're talking about here.

 

[PsychoMan]

The only thing more annoying than talking about the Bears QB situation over and over again is ESPNs constant coverage of the Vick story.

Oh, and yes, I think Sexy Rexy will remain the starter the whole season.

By the way, did anyone else see Pep Hamilton (Bears QB coach) ROLLING his eyes several times during the game on camera!?!?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

It amazes me that someone who has played football for such a long time cannot even do the most basic of things correctly (IE take the snap). He should've been broken of that habit by HS at the latest. Just goes to show you how inefficient and stupid the NFL can be sometimes. It's not like they are overlooking it because he puts up Peyton Manning numbers either.

What can you do? There is no accounting for coach/front office/owner stubborness.

In before the "you're a Bears hater and biased" comments.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Also in before the incorrect "he led them to the Super Bowl" comments.

 

[el-gato-grande]

Grossman is a free agent next year and the Bears didn't sign him to a new deal in the offseason. If he doesn't perform this year, then he's gone and Griese is the new Bears QB. Not sure how long of a leash they will give him this year, but like the situation with Tank Johnson, they will likely give him numerous chances to right the ship before moving in another direction.

 

[PsychoMan]

K R S - I don't think anyone can argue your comments above. I threw up in my mouth last night not once, not twice, but FOUR TIMES thanks to sexy rexy.

 

[3C's]

It amazes me that someone who has played football for such a long time cannot even do the most basic of things correctly (IE take the snap). He should've been broken of that habit by HS at the latest.

Seen Culpepper play QB?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

It amazes me that someone who has played football for such a long time cannot even do the most basic of things correctly (IE take the snap). He should've been broken of that habit by HS at the latest.

Seen Culpepper play QB?

He was also putting up crazy Tecmo Bowl numbers at the time. However, I agree that you should not have certain habits and expect to even make it to the NFL, much less be a starter. Some coaches are just willing to let things slide. They need to get the Tuna in there. He'll shape up then.

 

[Warpig]

Jaws (or maybe it was Schefter) was saying that the Falcons should be knocking on the Bears door to get one of their QB's! I wonder which one the Bears would be willing to let go...Grossman?!?!

As a Grossman owner in a 32 team league ( ), when I saw the stat line 9/11 for 56 yds and an INT I didn't think that was bad...then I saw the highlights and that he fumbled 3 TIMES!! WTF is his problem!?

 

[bcr8f]

It amazes me that someone who has played football for such a long time cannot even do the most basic of things correctly (IE take the snap). He should've been broken of that habit by HS at the latest. Just goes to show you how inefficient and stupid the NFL can be sometimes. It's not like they are overlooking it because he puts up Peyton Manning numbers either.What can you do? There is no accounting for coach/front office/owner stubborness.In before the "you're a Bears hater and biased" comments.

I'm a Bears hater and not biased. I think if this continues week 11 they will make a switch.

 

[Banger]

The thing with him is that I think most of it is mental and once he starts making mistakes it all just seems to fall apart for him. When it's rolling good he looks great. Very bi-polar QB.

 

[Power Monster]

Only an injury will keep him out. This is Angelo's manlove project. Angelo has done a great job but this is his undoing. His ego is going to get in the way. You can tell because the rest of the team talks like Rex is the next coming of Joe Montana.

You get in Grossman's face he is done but now he is fumbling snaps and making the same mental mistakes as last year. The Bears are not going to get to their goal with this guy and if Benson is not effective it will be a bitter sweet season....

 

[3C's]

Jaws (or maybe it was Schefter) was saying that the Falcons should be knocking on the Bears door to get one of their QB's! I wonder which one the Bears would be willing to let go...Grossman?!?!As a Grossman owner in a 32 team league ( ), when I saw the stat line 9/11 for 56 yds and an INT I didn't think that was bad...then I saw the highlights and that he fumbled 3 TIMES!! WTF is his problem!?

The first one wasn't his fault. The RT was a revolving door on that play. The other 2 were though. And the int was ugly.

 

[Banger]

The first one wasn't his fault. The RT was a revolving door on that play. The other 2 were though. And the int was ugly.

It was though, it was caused by his lack of pocket presense. He stepped up in the pocket and was holding the ball in front of him and got the ball stripped. He just has no awareness in the pocket and when to tuck the ball away.

 

[Dancing Bear]

Rex Grossman is just plain abysmal, and I am baffled and amazed by the solidarity of the Chicago Bears players with regards to this.

The Bears 13-3 record last year was only the result of the Defense, and they had to work hard at it as Rex was constantly the 12-man working for the opposition.

He had five games last year with 3 or more picks! In 4 of these games he compounded things with at least one additional lost fumble! In all but one of these games he had zero TD's! He actually had one game with 6 turnovers and somehow they still beat the Cardinals. Oh wait, the Defense and Special Teams scored 3 TD's in the 2nd Half ...

It's is simply unimaginable to me that he is still the starter, and with so much Lovie-love for him.

 

[Jason Wood]

I honestly think the Bears coaches very much WANT to stick with Rex, but some of that is premised around the belief that the other parts of the team are (once again) Championship caliber. Whether they DO stick with him is another question. However, let's not pretend that Brian Griese has looked like a world beater this preseason or that Kyle Orton is a better option under center. I think the most likely scenario is Rex starts all season, struggles with his consistency but not enough to keep the Bears from winning big, and then a quick playoff exit leads to the team looking elsewhere for a starter in '08, at least adding someone to compete for the job.

 

[Power Monster]

I honestly think the Bears coaches very much WANT to stick with Rex, but some of that is premised around the belief that the other parts of the team are (once again) Championship caliber. Whether they DO stick with him is another question. However, let's not pretend that Brian Griese has looked like a world beater this preseason or that Kyle Orton is a better option under center. I think the most likely scenario is Rex starts all season, struggles with his consistency but not enough to keep the Bears from winning big, and then a quick playoff exit leads to the team looking elsewhere for a starter in '08, at least adding someone to compete for the job.

As a fan this is a typical Bear's front office move but it is unacceptable. We have no idea what Griese can do w the offensive talent here but I think that if Orton won all the games that he did BG can certainly get the job done. This team needs to go for it all right now and they have the pieces in place. At least we have to only wait until Thursday to see more.....

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

The thing with the Bears QB situation is that the media, fans, and everyone blow the entire thing out of porportion. They focus on it that every week or every play is criticized. Its like Kornheizer(or however you spell it) said pregame.....Manning can do no wrong and Rex can do no right.

NOTE: I AM IN FAVOR OF REX STARTING BUT HE IS NOT MY GUY LIKE BENSON.

The interception was not his fault. It was a man on man coverage and Rashied Davis was running a slant route. If a Wr is running a slant in man coverage, he needs to get inside position on the CB to make the play. Kind of like the NE game last year when Samuel picked it off, Berrian's job was to beat the defender and he simply didn't.

The fumbles were his fault. He needs to feel pressure and step up in the pocket, secure the ball better.

The last fumble I understood b/c being a QB, you want to get out from under center very quickly on pass plays, esp. play action or 3rd down and long. Most QBs will start to lean out of the first step to get that quicker drop. That was simply a case of going too far.

However, Rex gets criticized all the time, even by the ESPN reporters. Did the reporter ask Manning why he turned the ball over on 4th and goal?

They will put whatever perception they want on Rex and that will be the way it is...kind of like TO. The coverage never stops.

Chicago fans should be happy with Rex as their QB. Did they not forget the QB's of the past? Grossman is the best QB since the Erik Kramer season of 95'.

Grossman threw for 3200 yards and 23 TD's last year. Those TD's are better than the Bears QB's from 2005 and 2004 combined!!!!!!!!!!!

Rex won't be the QB chicago wants until they embrace him and not criticize him for every mistake.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Rex Grossman is just plain abysmal, and I am baffled and amazed by the solidarity of the Chicago Bears players with regards to this.The Bears 13-3 record last year was only the result of the Defense, and they had to work hard at it as Rex was constantly the 12-man working for the opposition.He had five games last year with 3 or more picks! In 4 of these games he compounded things with at least one additional lost fumble! In all but one of these games he had zero TD's! He actually had one game with 6 turnovers and somehow they still beat the Cardinals. Oh wait, the Defense and Special Teams scored 3 TD's in the 2nd Half ...It's is simply unimaginable to me that he is still the starter, and with so much Lovie-love for him.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.They won last year just because of the D.....Grossman is horrible lets focus only on five games last year(aren't there 16 in a season?)

 

[Gordo]

What was Urlacher's comment on Grossman when they interviewed him?

Something like "When he is on, there is no one better."

 

[Two Deep]

I certainly hope not. Greise is the best QB they have on roster.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I certainly hope not. Greise is the best QB they have on roster.

Griese doesn't have the arm that Grossman has, but is probably a better decision maker. However being with his 4th team now.....I don't think he is the answer.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I honestly think the Bears coaches very much WANT to stick with Rex, but some of that is premised around the belief that the other parts of the team are (once again) Championship caliber. Whether they DO stick with him is another question. However, let's not pretend that Brian Griese has looked like a world beater this preseason or that Kyle Orton is a better option under center. I think the most likely scenario is Rex starts all season, struggles with his consistency but not enough to keep the Bears from winning big, and then a quick playoff exit leads to the team looking elsewhere for a starter in '08, at least adding someone to compete for the job.

I don't know Jason, if you're smart enough (and I tend to agree with just about all of your points/ideas except that they'll probably stick with him regardless of his inconsistencies) to think like that and see this kind of an ending for the Bears with him in the lineup, so are their coaches.When you have a team that's just went to the SB and probably the team to beat again in the conference, you can't just blow off years and say we'll look for a starter in 08. You have to go after that title now because things change quickly.If he struggles, I definately expect his butt to be sitting down. I'm not saying Griese or Orton will do this or that......if they play poorly in any relief their butts will be sitting. I'd not let any player at any position especially QB be allowed to play poorly and keep their position. He either plays well enough to keep his job or he'll be benched. The Bears know what happened last year with Grossman in the playoffs.I was one that said last year.....you can't bench him this late in the season, you have to go with him and see where you get with the guy that got you there.I'm not on that bandwagon this year........if he struggles early, you find out what those other guys can do. The Bears should be good enough to win the division with any of those 3 QB's so if Grossman slumps early, I'd bench him.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Only an injury will keep him out. This is Angelo's manlove project. Angelo has done a great job but this is his undoing. His ego is going to get in the way. You can tell because the rest of the team talks like Rex is the next coming of Joe Montana.

What does Angelo have to do with who plays?Anyway, I think if Grossman plays anywhere near as poor as he played last night he'll be benched by mid-season (ish).JMO...

 

[BroadwayG]

Is this 2006?

 

[BigRed]

Rex Grossman is just plain abysmal, and I am baffled and amazed by the solidarity of the Chicago Bears players with regards to this.The Bears 13-3 record last year was only the result of the Defense, and they had to work hard at it as Rex was constantly the 12-man working for the opposition.

Not true. He had some excellent games. He's just not exactly the most consistent guy in the whole wide world.

 

[pizzatyme]

If he didn't bench him in the latter half of last season, he just won't.

Word!

 

[pizzatyme]

Is this 2006?

Word word!

 

[Banger]

The thing with the Bears QB situation is that the media, fans, and everyone blow the entire thing out of porportion. They focus on it that every week or every play is criticized. Its like Kornheizer(or however you spell it) said pregame.....Manning can do no wrong and Rex can do no right.NOTE: I AM IN FAVOR OF REX STARTING BUT HE IS NOT MY GUY LIKE BENSON.The interception was not his fault. It was a man on man coverage and Rashied Davis was running a slant route. If a Wr is running a slant in man coverage, he needs to get inside position on the CB to make the play. Kind of like the NE game last year when Samuel picked it off, Berrian's job was to beat the defender and he simply didn't.The fumbles were his fault. He needs to feel pressure and step up in the pocket, secure the ball better.The last fumble I understood b/c being a QB, you want to get out from under center very quickly on pass plays, esp. play action or 3rd down and long. Most QBs will start to lean out of the first step to get that quicker drop. That was simply a case of going too far.However, Rex gets criticized all the time, even by the ESPN reporters. Did the reporter ask Manning why he turned the ball over on 4th and goal? They will put whatever perception they want on Rex and that will be the way it is...kind of like TO. The coverage never stops.Chicago fans should be happy with Rex as their QB. Did they not forget the QB's of the past? Grossman is the best QB since the Erik Kramer season of 95'.Grossman threw for 3200 yards and 23 TD's last year. Those TD's are better than the Bears QB's from 2005 and 2004 combined!!!!!!!!!!!Rex won't be the QB chicago wants until they embrace him and not criticize him for every mistake.

You need to be a little more objective because I think your Bear love is clouding your judgement. Rex is a bad QB and will keep them from the winning the SB again despite having a top defense and special teams. It's not a conspiracy.On football outsiders he was ranked 33rd among qb's (11.2% worse than the average QB). He was a fraction better than Culpepper, A. Smith and B. Johnson.

 

[JohnnyU]

Is this 2006?

Word word!

Forgive my ignorance, but what does saying "word" mean?

 

[pizzatyme]

Is this 2006?

Word word!

Forgive my ignorance, but what does saying "word" mean?

From urbandictionary.com:Word Up

1. A greeting.

2. Another way to say, Yeah! or Damn Right!

3. A song by the band Cameo. The song came out in 1986.

4. A cover by Korn of the song previously mentioned.

1. Hey, Word up man?

2. Word up!

3. Word up! Everybody say, we're about to go down and you know just what to do.

4. Wave your hands in the air like you just don't care.

I agree with their comments!

 

[Yo Eleven]

As a Bear's fan, I am enamored with the idea of McNabb wearing the Bear's number 7 next year!

 

[The Kansas Comet]

The first one wasn't his fault. The RT was a revolving door on that play. The other 2 were though. And the int was ugly.

It was though, it was caused by his lack of pocket presense. He stepped up in the pocket and was holding the ball in front of him and got the ball stripped. He just has no awareness in the pocket and when to tuck the ball away.

That's the thing that bothers me most about Rex - it appears as if he has no idea there are actually many defenders attempting to hit him when he drops back to pass. I was feeling better about his "improvement" after the first game, but after this one, it's back to the wonderful feeling of "Will Grossman suck so much that the rest of the team won't be able to overcome it today?" Such a wonderful feeling.

That said, I don't think Griese is really the answer. His arm is not what it used to be. And who knows about Orton?

 

[Banger]

The first one wasn't his fault. The RT was a revolving door on that play. The other 2 were though. And the int was ugly.

It was though, it was caused by his lack of pocket presense. He stepped up in the pocket and was holding the ball in front of him and got the ball stripped. He just has no awareness in the pocket and when to tuck the ball away.

That's the thing that bothers me most about Rex - it appears as if he has no idea there are actually many defenders attempting to hit him when he drops back to pass. I was feeling better about his "improvement" after the first game, but after this one, it's back to the wonderful feeling of "Will Grossman suck so much that the rest of the team won't be able to overcome it today?" Such a wonderful feeling.

That said, I don't think Griese is really the answer. His arm is not what it used to be. And who knows about Orton?

The funny thing about Grossman is that he's often pretty good until he hits some kind of adversity and once that happens all bets are off. It's really amazing too how quickly the wheels come off and how bad he can look. Simple things like taking a snap or throwing to a back in the backfield can be an absolute adventure. He just seems to totally press or lose confidence once things aren't going well. That's not a good attribute to have as a QB.

 

[JohnnyU]

Does Grossman have small hands like Culpepper? Maybe that's the reason for the fumbled snaps.

 

[Jason Wood]

As a Bear's fan, I am enamored with the idea of McNabb wearing the Bear's number 7 next year!

There will be none of that!

 

[PsychoMan]

Does Grossman have small hands like Culpepper? Maybe that's the reason for the fumbled snaps.

On the radio this morning, they were talking about his small hands so I suppose he does ... though I've never played patty-cake with him or anything so I don't know for sure.

 

[TitusIII]

Yes, barring injury of course. Griese is a hack, and Orton is Orton.

 

[Yenrub]

Is this 2006?

Word word!

Forgive my ignorance, but what does saying "word" mean?

From urbandictionary.com:Word Up

1. A greeting.

2. Another way to say, Yeah! or Damn Right!

3. A song by the band Cameo. The song came out in 1986.

4. A cover by Korn of the song previously mentioned.

1. Hey, Word up man?

2. Word up!

3. Word up! Everybody say, we're about to go down and you know just what to do.

4. Wave your hands in the air like you just don't care.

I agree with their comments!

That is so wrong.

“Word” Is short for an old saying ‘A man’s word is his bond” which at some point was shortened to “word is bond” which now has also been shortened to “word”.

So a conversation between two guys might go like this.

Guy1: You are not going to believe this but last night I hooked up with so and so

Guy2: Stop lying you didn't hook up with so and so

Guy1: Word is bond I hooked up with her

Guy2: Word?

Guy1: Word!

 

[Yo Eleven]

As a Bear's fan, I am enamored with the idea of McNabb wearing the Bear's number 7 next year!

There will be none of that!

It is time for him to bring his Chunky Soup home to Chicago!

 

[Power Monster]

Only an injury will keep him out. This is Angelo's manlove project. Angelo has done a great job but this is his undoing. His ego is going to get in the way. You can tell because the rest of the team talks like Rex is the next coming of Joe Montana.

What does Angelo have to do with who plays?Anyway, I think if Grossman plays anywhere near as poor as he played last night he'll be benched by mid-season (ish).JMO...

The GM has nothing to do with who plays- in Chicago? Are you a Bear's fan or are you from Chicago?

 

[The Kansas Comet]

As a Bear's fan, I am enamored with the idea of McNabb wearing the Bear's number 7 next year!

There will be none of that!

It is time for him to bring his Chunky Soup home to Chicago!

Please oh please, let it be true.One thing that amazes me is how did Grossman survive at Florida being coached by Spurrier? I would have figured the 'Ol Ball Coach would have killed him given his penchant for brain cramps.

 

[Nookular Power]

"We should be beyond that," coach Lovie Smith said of the botched center-quarterback exchanges.

-- from here.

I've been a big supporter of Grossman, and hoped he'd shake those kind of horrific stretches, while giving us more of the "good Rex" we'd seen at the start of last year. Monday night was just plain scary, though, and I'm guessing (reading between the lines in the quote above) that he's on a much shorter leash this year. Getting to the Super Bowl last year was probably a surprise -- this is a team built for a long run, but that run's gotta start sometime, and can't with a QB so prone to monumental collapses. If he has another stretch like Monday night in a regular season game, I'm guessing he's pulled on the spot. While he probably starts the majority of games, he won't finish the ones where he's just bad.

 

[thebestupsman]

I don't know why the have a man crush on Rex. He is just plain terrible. Griese is 10 times the QB Rex will ever be. Griese didn't throw one bad pass the other night. What do they see in sorry ### Rex? Hell I must be blind.

 

[3nOut]

I honestly think the Bears coaches very much WANT to stick with Rex, but some of that is premised around the belief that the other parts of the team are (once again) Championship caliber. Whether they DO stick with him is another question. However, let's not pretend that Brian Griese has looked like a world beater this preseason or that Kyle Orton is a better option under center. I think the most likely scenario is Rex starts all season, struggles with his consistency but not enough to keep the Bears from winning big, and then a quick playoff exit leads to the team looking elsewhere for a starter in '08, at least adding someone to compete for the job.

As a fan this is a typical Bear's front office move but it is unacceptable. We have no idea what Griese can do w the offensive talent here but I think that if Orton won all the games that he did BG can certainly get the job done. This team needs to go for it all right now and they have the pieces in place. At least we have to only wait until Thursday to see more.....

You are absolutely correct, you have no idea. It amazes me to hear that so many people on this board think they know more than the teammates, coaching staff and front office. these guys see him EVERY DAY and know what he is capable of. I'm surprised none of you are employed by any NFL team. Grossman is a skilled QB. He has the talent to be a starter almost anywhere in the league it is just that he is very inconsistent. The interception was forced but he admitted that himself in the live interview. The first fumble wasn't his fault. Like someone said earlier, the O Line was a revolvng door on that play. And yes, he was stepping up in the pocket and holding the ball in front of him, where else is he supposed to hold it, behind him? NO QB tucks the ball when stepping up in the pocket to make a play.

Inconsistency and the play of his O-Line is the key. The fumbles can be corrected. He already has made improvement from last year in that he steps up in the pocket better. When not forcing the ball, his accuracy seems to be pretty good and from what i can see, he throws a very pretty spiral (better than many NFL QBs). I don't understand the hate of Grossman. What has he done to deserve the wrath of every message board member and of the media? You gotta like his story, overcoming two seasons with injuries to become the starter again and take his team to the SB. It would be nice to see him take the Bears there agan and win it.

I personally am rooting for him as i don't want to see yet another QB controversy in Chicago. I want one QB to play in Chicago for a long time. I hope its Grossman. Whether he works out or not is another issue, but I'm pulling for the guy.

 

[zoonation]

if they lose a couple in a row, because of his play, he is gone.

He didn't get yanked last year because they had a cake schedule and won despite him. If they don't win, he is done.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I don't know why the have a man crush on Rex. He is just plain terrible. Griese is 10 times the QB Rex will ever be. Griese didn't throw one bad pass the other night. What do they see in sorry ### Rex? Hell I must be blind.

He is Griese 10 X the QB that Rex will ever be?Lets look at the important categories.Who led he team to the Super Bowl? Rex, even though Griese had some great teams in Denver.Most TD's in a season? Its a tie....23 for both QB's....even though Rex has had one full season starting and Griese has had five and several other seasons when he started part of seasons and couldn't keep the job.Most yards in a season? Griese had 3,214....Grossman in his first full season starting 3,193.Most INT's in a season? Grossman 20....Griese had 19.While Grossman has only had one full season starting he is at or near Griese's highs in most major categories. One could only assume that with experience that the turnovers should subside.

 

[PsychoMan]

I don't know why the have a man crush on Rex. He is just plain terrible. Griese is 10 times the QB Rex will ever be. Griese didn't throw one bad pass the other night. What do they see in sorry ### Rex? Hell I must be blind.

You must have missed the play where Griese missed a wide open Olsen on a should have been TD pass.