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Dolphins Starting QB in 06 (1 Viewer)

mchaps55

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With the news coming out that saban spoke to Gus and told him the will be going another direction and bringing in another vet. Rumor in Miami is that A. Brooks will be that QB. He has ties to Mueller and with Saban saying that they want to find a qb of the future, and that guy might be Cutler. However they might have to trade up to get Cutler and its also been twirled around that he is very High on Alabama's Brodie Croyle.So Brooks in 06 and Croyle the future.My Question is if they did draft Croyle where does he fall rd wise, I know not to early?Just passing it along.

 
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Has Aaron Brooks really deserved another shot at a starting qb spot in the NFL? I definetly don't think so, but maybe Saban is just the coach he needs to get his act together.

 
Has Aaron Brooks really deserved another shot at a starting qb spot in the NFL? I definetly don't think so, but maybe Saban is just the coach he needs to get his act together.
Hes still one of the top 20 QBs in the NFL. He had a bad season playing for a horrible team with no running game and injured WRs, but he had played well enough in the previous 4 seasons to earn another shot at starting. He definitely needs better coaching.

 
Makes sense given Saban told Gus that. I think it's more of the lack of quality QB's in the league rather than what Brooks has shown and now deserves.The Saints did have some mediocre defenses with Brooks, but his constant boneheaded mistakes (putting that kindly) did the defense no favors either.

 
Hes still one of the top 20 QBs in the NFL. He had a bad season playing for a horrible team with no running game and injured WRs, but he had played well enough in the previous 4 seasons to earn another shot at starting.

He definitely needs better coaching.
Agreed on coaching, but what do you base your "still a top 20 QB" comment on? He is in FF, but the guy couldn't lead the weightwatchers club to Burger King.

 
Hes still one of the top 20 QBs in the NFL. He had a bad season playing for a horrible team with no running game and injured WRs, but he had played well enough in the previous 4 seasons to earn another shot at starting.

He definitely needs better coaching.
Agreed on coaching, but what do you base your "still a top 20 QB" comment on? He is in FF, but the guy couldn't lead the weightwatchers club to Burger King.
similar things have been said about V Testaverde, D Bledsoe, M Brunell, J Plummer, etc...through the years. But as you see, these guys can have second or third chances that prove extremely successful both FF and reality.
 
Hes still one of the top 20 QBs in the NFL.  He had a bad season playing for a horrible team with no running game and injured WRs, but he had played well enough in the previous 4 seasons to earn another shot at starting. 

He definitely needs better coaching.
Agreed on coaching, but what do you base your "still a top 20 QB" comment on? He is in FF, but the guy couldn't lead the weightwatchers club to Burger King.
Well, why dont you give me 20 QBs who have proven themselves better over the last 3 or 4 years?Brooks isnt a SB winning QB, but, and I hope this isnt surprising to you, not every NFL team plays for a SB berth every year.

Hes perfectly capable of getting a team like the Dolphins to a 9-7 or 10-6 record.

Hes a guy who can make every throw(including the bad ones) and who can create plays on his own(including the bad ones).

I cant name 20 Qbs in the NFL with his talent.

 
Hes still one of the top 20 QBs in the NFL. He had a bad season playing for a horrible team with no running game and injured WRs, but he had played well enough in the previous 4 seasons to earn another shot at starting.

He definitely needs better coaching.
Agreed on coaching, but what do you base your "still a top 20 QB" comment on? He is in FF, but the guy couldn't lead the weightwatchers club to Burger King.
similar things have been said about V Testaverde, D Bledsoe, M Brunell, J Plummer, etc...through the years. But as you see, these guys can have second or third chances that prove extremely successful both FF and reality.
Fair enough, although Bledsoe for one proved himself before being traded. Brady was more of the reason than a lack of leadership or decision making. Plummer is a fair comparison.
 
Hes still one of the top 20 QBs in the NFL. He had a bad season playing for a horrible team with no running game and injured WRs, but he had played well enough in the previous 4 seasons to earn another shot at starting.

He definitely needs better coaching.
Agreed on coaching, but what do you base your "still a top 20 QB" comment on? He is in FF, but the guy couldn't lead the weightwatchers club to Burger King.
Well, why dont you give me 20 QBs who have proven themselves better over the last 3 or 4 years?Brooks isnt a SB winning QB, but, and I hope this isnt surprising to you, not every NFL team plays for a SB berth every year.

Hes perfectly capable of getting a team like the Dolphins to a 9-7 or 10-6 record.

Hes a guy who can make every throw(including the bad ones) and who can create plays on his own(including the bad ones).

I cant name 20 Qbs in the NFL with his talent.
Physically, I agree - he's in the upper echelon of QBs. That isn't the question."not every NFL team plays for a SB berth every year." - Is this not their goal? You may be right, if all Saban wants is a QB that can fill a spot for a couple years. Just my opinion, maybe Saban disagrees, but Miami could be a playoff contender this year.

21:

Tom Brady NE

Trent Green KC

Brett Favre GB

Carson Palmer CIN

Eli Manning NYG

Kerry Collins OAK

Peyton Manning IND

Drew Bledsoe DAL

Drew Brees SD

Matt Hasselbeck SEA

Jake Delhomme CAR

Jake Plummer DEN

Steve McNair TEN

Mark Brunell WAS

Kurt Warner ARI

Donovan McNabb PHI

David Carr

Michael Vick

Ben Roethlisberger

Marc Bulger

Byron Leftwich

 
21:

Tom Brady NE

Trent Green KC

Brett Favre GB

Carson Palmer CIN

Eli Manning NYG

Kerry Collins OAK

Peyton Manning IND

Drew Bledsoe DAL

Drew Brees SD

Matt Hasselbeck SEA

Jake Delhomme CAR

Jake Plummer DEN

Steve McNair TEN

Mark Brunell WAS

Kurt Warner ARI

Donovan McNabb PHI

David Carr

Michael Vick

Ben Roethlisberger

Marc Bulger

Byron Leftwich
Might even have to cross Vick off.
 
Brett Favre GB

Kerry Collins OAK

Steve McNair TEN

Mark Brunell WAS

Kurt Warner ARI

David Carr

Byron Leftwich

Might even have to cross Vick off.
Ok, Carr I get. IMO his potential exceeds Brooks, but that isn't the point here, so ok.WTF are you thinking on Favre, if we're talking about the past 3 or 4 years?

He won one more game this year, is 10-6 in the previous 2, and 12-4 the 2 years before that. If you're simply saying he won't hit Miami, ok, but that wasn't the question.

Leftwich we could argue either way. I'll take his leadership.

McNair has had back to back disapointing seasons, but part of that is personnel management issues. 12-4 and 11-5 in 2003 and 2002.

Brunell led his team to the playoffs this year and played better than Delhomme against Seattle.

I didn't even list Culpepper.

 
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Brooks is one of my least favorite players in the NFL. It seems everytime they zoom in on him in the 4th quarter when the Saints were getting beat by 21 this year he was laughing and smiling. He has the competetive drive of a tree sloth. I want a guy leading my team that hates to lose.

 
Brett Favre GB

Kerry Collins OAK

Steve McNair TEN

Mark Brunell WAS

Kurt Warner ARI

David Carr

Byron Leftwich

Might even have to cross Vick off.
Ok, Carr I get. IMO his potential exceeds Brooks, but that isn't the point here, so ok.WTF are you thinking on Favre, if we're talking about the past 3 or 4 years?

He won one more game this year, is 10-6 in the previous 2, and 12-4 the 2 years before that. If you're simply saying he won't hit Miami, ok, but that wasn't the question.

Leftwich we could argue either way. I'll take his leadership.

McNair has had back to back disapointing seasons, but part of that is personnel management issues. 12-4 and 11-5 in 2003 and 2002.

Brunell led his team to the playoffs this year and played better than Delhomme against Seattle.

I didn't even list Culpepper.
I actually considered keeping Carr on the list (not crossing him off). I'm talking about qb's who, if I was Miami, I'd rather take instead of Brooks. I would take Brooks before the one's I crossed off.Favre. Almost 30 ints this year. Not interested in mentoring a young qb.

McNair. Not able to stay healthy for a full season. Skills diminishing.

Brunell did not lead the team to the playoffs. The D did. Brunell was this years Dilfer.

Leftwich. I still question his ability to look past the 1st or 2nd receiver.

None of those guys are better than Brooks at this point. Maybe some, like Favre, McNair and Brunell have been in the past. But not now. Carr could be. And probably will be.

 
Croyle?  2nd day..5th or 6th round.
Kiper said yesterday that Croyle has moved up to the 2nd or 3rd round based on Senior Bowl workouts this week.
This is true, but I think the Dolphins have more interest in Charlie Whitehurst, if they don't get Cutler...
 
Brett Favre GB

Kerry Collins OAK

Steve McNair TEN

Mark Brunell WAS

Kurt Warner ARI

David Carr

Byron Leftwich

Might even have to cross Vick off.
Ok, Carr I get. IMO his potential exceeds Brooks, but that isn't the point here, so ok.WTF are you thinking on Favre, if we're talking about the past 3 or 4 years?

He won one more game this year, is 10-6 in the previous 2, and 12-4 the 2 years before that. If you're simply saying he won't hit Miami, ok, but that wasn't the question.

Leftwich we could argue either way. I'll take his leadership.

McNair has had back to back disapointing seasons, but part of that is personnel management issues. 12-4 and 11-5 in 2003 and 2002.

Brunell led his team to the playoffs this year and played better than Delhomme against Seattle.

I didn't even list Culpepper.
I actually considered keeping Carr on the list (not crossing him off). I'm talking about qb's who, if I was Miami, I'd rather take instead of Brooks. I would take Brooks before the one's I crossed off.Favre. Almost 30 ints this year. Not interested in mentoring a young qb.

McNair. Not able to stay healthy for a full season. Skills diminishing.

Brunell did not lead the team to the playoffs. The D did. Brunell was this years Dilfer.

Leftwich. I still question his ability to look past the 1st or 2nd receiver.

None of those guys are better than Brooks at this point. Maybe some, like Favre, McNair and Brunell have been in the past. But not now. Carr could be. And probably will be.
Ok, I read your question: Well, why dont you give me 20 QBs who have proven themselves better over the last 3 or 4 years?
 
Ok, I read your question: Well, why dont you give me 20 QBs who have proven themselves better over the last 3 or 4 years?
Actually it wasn't my question. But you're right, he did say last 3 or 4 years. Therefore, I agree with you about Favre and maybe McNair. Probably not Brunell or Leftwich though.
 
What about Cleo Lemon? Is he in their future plans? Did they trade for him just to be a career backup?

 
Has Aaron Brooks really deserved another shot at a starting qb spot in the NFL? I definetly don't think so, but maybe Saban is just the coach he needs to get his act together.
:rolleyes: is Jim Haslett deserving of another shot at coaching in the NFL??!?!

i don't think so.

how good would ANYONE be, playing under Jim Haslett?!?! Brooks has a lifetime 2:1 td/INT ratio..he is a good player, but he does make bonehead plays occasionally..but is that his fault, or poor offensive play calling coming from the sidelines???

I'd take Brooks' lifetime 2:1 td/int ratio to heart.he can become a very good QB, under the right system/coaching staff..even Joe Montana would have stunk under Jim Haslett..

 
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Has Aaron Brooks really deserved another shot at a starting qb spot in the NFL? I definetly don't think so, but maybe Saban is just the coach he needs to get his act together.
:rolleyes: is Jim Haslett deserving of another shot at coaching in the NFL??!?!

i don't think so.

how good would ANYONE be, playing under Jim Haslett?!?! Brooks has a lifetime 2:1 td/INT ratio..he is a good player, but he does make bonehead plays occasionally..but is that his fault, or poor offensive play calling coming from the sidelines???

I'd take Brooks' lifetime 2:1 td/int ratio to heart.he can become a very good QB, under the right system/coaching staff..even Joe Montana would have stunk under Jim Haslett..
Has NO ever had a defense?
 
As a life long Dolphin fan I'd rather have Frerotte or Cleo Lemon start for the Dolphins next year as opposed to the waste of space known as Aaron Brooks.Laughing on the sidelines when his team is getting blown out is not my idea of a winner.The thought of trading players and/or draft picks for Aaron Brooks would make me want to rip my eyeballs out of my skull.NO THANKS !!!I'd even start Brock Berlin over that loser.

 
Has Aaron Brooks really deserved another shot at a starting qb spot in the NFL? I definetly don't think so, but maybe Saban is just the coach he needs to get his act together.
:rolleyes: is Jim Haslett deserving of another shot at coaching in the NFL??!?!

i don't think so.

how good would ANYONE be, playing under Jim Haslett?!?! Brooks has a lifetime 2:1 td/INT ratio..he is a good player, but he does make bonehead plays occasionally..but is that his fault, or poor offensive play calling coming from the sidelines???

I'd take Brooks' lifetime 2:1 td/int ratio to heart.he can become a very good QB, under the right system/coaching staff..even Joe Montana would have stunk under Jim Haslett..
Before this year his 3rd down % was pretty solid and he had amassed a decent amount of 4th quarter comebacks. But he smiles, so he sucks. Also keep in mind that Brooks never had 1st and 10. It was usually more like 1st and 20 or 30 due to pre snap penalties. :shrug:

 
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Hes still one of the top 20 QBs in the NFL.  He had a bad season playing for a horrible team with no running game and injured WRs, but he had played well enough in the previous 4 seasons to earn another shot at starting. 

He definitely needs better coaching.
Agreed on coaching, but what do you base your "still a top 20 QB" comment on? He is in FF, but the guy couldn't lead the weightwatchers club to Burger King.
Well, why dont you give me 20 QBs who have proven themselves better over the last 3 or 4 years?Brooks isnt a SB winning QB, but, and I hope this isnt surprising to you, not every NFL team plays for a SB berth every year.

Hes perfectly capable of getting a team like the Dolphins to a 9-7 or 10-6 record.

Hes a guy who can make every throw(including the bad ones) and who can create plays on his own(including the bad ones).

I cant name 20 Qbs in the NFL with his talent.
Physically, I agree - he's in the upper echelon of QBs. That isn't the question."not every NFL team plays for a SB berth every year." - Is this not their goal? You may be right, if all Saban wants is a QB that can fill a spot for a couple years. Just my opinion, maybe Saban disagrees, but Miami could be a playoff contender this year.

21:

Tom Brady NE

Trent Green KC

Brett Favre GB

Carson Palmer CIN

Eli Manning NYG

Kerry Collins OAK

Peyton Manning IND

Drew Bledsoe DAL

Drew Brees SD

Matt Hasselbeck SEA

Jake Delhomme CAR

Jake Plummer DEN

Steve McNair TEN

Mark Brunell WAS

Kurt Warner ARI

Donovan McNabb PHI

David Carr

Michael Vick

Ben Roethlisberger

Marc Bulger

Byron Leftwich
You lost me at Warner and Brunell.Yes Brooks is not the greatest QB, but he is a average qb which most of the the Qb's are in the NFL. IF you put him on a decent team Heck if you put him in Washington I think they may have done just as well.

 
Has Aaron Brooks really deserved another shot at a starting qb spot in the NFL? I definetly don't think so, but maybe Saban is just the coach he needs to get his act together.
:rolleyes: is Jim Haslett deserving of another shot at coaching in the NFL??!?!

i don't think so.

how good would ANYONE be, playing under Jim Haslett?!?! Brooks has a lifetime 2:1 td/INT ratio..he is a good player, but he does make bonehead plays occasionally..but is that his fault, or poor offensive play calling coming from the sidelines???

I'd take Brooks' lifetime 2:1 td/int ratio to heart.he can become a very good QB, under the right system/coaching staff..even Joe Montana would have stunk under Jim Haslett..
Before this year his 3rd down % was pretty solid and he had amassed a decent amount of 4th quarter comebacks. But he smiles, so he sucks. Also keep in mind that Brooks never had 1st and 10. It was usually more like 1st and 20 or 30 due to pre snap penalties. :shrug:
You can keep Brooks then. Have him QB your teAm for the next 5 years.Once a loser always a loser.

I couldn't agree more with Native. I'd also rather have Mel or Garth Brooks than Aaron Brooks

 
Has Aaron Brooks really deserved another shot at a starting qb spot in the NFL? I definetly don't think so, but maybe Saban is just the coach he needs to get his act together.
:rolleyes: is Jim Haslett deserving of another shot at coaching in the NFL??!?!

i don't think so.

how good would ANYONE be, playing under Jim Haslett?!?! Brooks has a lifetime 2:1 td/INT ratio..he is a good player, but he does make bonehead plays occasionally..but is that his fault, or poor offensive play calling coming from the sidelines???

I'd take Brooks' lifetime 2:1 td/int ratio to heart.he can become a very good QB, under the right system/coaching staff..even Joe Montana would have stunk under Jim Haslett..
Before this year his 3rd down % was pretty solid and he had amassed a decent amount of 4th quarter comebacks. But he smiles, so he sucks. Also keep in mind that Brooks never had 1st and 10. It was usually more like 1st and 20 or 30 due to pre snap penalties. :shrug:
You can keep Brooks then. Have him QB your teAm for the next 5 years.Once a loser always a loser.

I couldn't agree more with Native. I'd also rather have Mel or Garth Brooks than Aaron Brooks
Look, I just think given the right situation he could do pretty well. What is your plan? If you were GM who QB's for Miami next year?
 
Has Aaron Brooks really deserved another shot at a starting qb spot in the NFL? I definetly don't think so, but maybe Saban is just the coach he needs to get his act together.
:rolleyes: is Jim Haslett deserving of another shot at coaching in the NFL??!?!

i don't think so.

how good would ANYONE be, playing under Jim Haslett?!?! Brooks has a lifetime 2:1 td/INT ratio..he is a good player, but he does make bonehead plays occasionally..but is that his fault, or poor offensive play calling coming from the sidelines???

I'd take Brooks' lifetime 2:1 td/int ratio to heart.he can become a very good QB, under the right system/coaching staff..even Joe Montana would have stunk under Jim Haslett..
Before this year his 3rd down % was pretty solid and he had amassed a decent amount of 4th quarter comebacks. But he smiles, so he sucks. Also keep in mind that Brooks never had 1st and 10. It was usually more like 1st and 20 or 30 due to pre snap penalties. :shrug:
You can keep Brooks then. Have him QB your teAm for the next 5 years.Once a loser always a loser.

I couldn't agree more with Native. I'd also rather have Mel or Garth Brooks than Aaron Brooks
Look, I just think given the right situation he could do pretty well. What is your plan? If you were GM who QB's for Miami next year?
I have confidence that Nick Saban & Randy Mueller will find a QB.Maybe I'm being to harsh on Brooks but as a Dolphin fan I want no part of him whatsoever.

 
Once a loser always a loser.
And what winner is going to QBing the Dolphins next year?
Im hoping its Patrick Ramsey. He may not be a "winner" yet, but at least hes not a proven loser.
Ramsey is 10-13. To get that, I took all his starts expect for the game @ MIA in 2003 and against CHI in 2005 where he left early with injuries. And, I included @ TEN in 2002 when Danny Wuerfell left the game very early and Ramsey led them to victory in his first NFL action.I'm guessing that's about even with Brooks' career.

I'm not saying Ramsey would be horrible, but Brooks is no more a proven loser than Ramsey. They both possess good passing skills. Brooks has much better mobility. Either guy can do well, in my opinion.

 
What about Cleo Lemon? Is he in their future plans? Did they trade for him just to be a career backup?
He could be the QB of our future, but I think he needs more time to develop before he's ready to take over the reins of the team.My guess is the plan is to have Frerotte (if he restructures), or some veteran brought in (perhaps Brooks) to start this year, and then in '07, have Lemon and either Cutler or Whitehurst fight it out for the starting job.

I'd be very surprised if we sign Brooks to anything more than a 1 year contract.

 
While I am tepid to the idea of Brooks, He is better than Kordell Stewart, the last QB Mularkey made an all pro out of.While I like Gus, I believe the dolphin O wants to have an athletic, mobile QB. If the dolphins were at the top of the draft, I see them going young before leinart for this very reason. Cutler is athletic as well, and if he is there, I see us taking him. First day of the draft doesn't end without a new QB on the dolphin roster.

 
If Vince Young ends up a Titan, and my other two favorite NFL players end up on the same team (Brooks and Ricky), I will officially call this "The Greatest Offseason Ever."

 
With the news coming out that saban spoke to Gus and told him the will be going another direction and bringing in another vet. Rumor in Miami is that A. Brooks will be that QB.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NOand that is my opinion!

 
If Vince Young ends up a Titan, and my other two favorite NFL players end up on the same team (Brooks and Ricky), I will officially call this "The Greatest Offseason Ever."
Just wondering Colin, as you generally seem to have your head on straight.Why on God's green earth are Brooks and Ricky two of your favorite players?

 
Has Aaron Brooks really deserved another shot at a starting qb spot in the NFL? I definetly don't think so, but maybe Saban is just the coach he needs to get his act together.
:rolleyes: is Jim Haslett deserving of another shot at coaching in the NFL??!?!

i don't think so.

how good would ANYONE be, playing under Jim Haslett?!?! Brooks has a lifetime 2:1 td/INT ratio..he is a good player, but he does make bonehead plays occasionally..but is that his fault, or poor offensive play calling coming from the sidelines???

I'd take Brooks' lifetime 2:1 td/int ratio to heart.he can become a very good QB, under the right system/coaching staff..even Joe Montana would have stunk under Jim Haslett..
Before this year his 3rd down % was pretty solid and he had amassed a decent amount of 4th quarter comebacks. But he smiles, so he sucks. Also keep in mind that Brooks never had 1st and 10. It was usually more like 1st and 20 or 30 due to pre snap penalties. :shrug:
Aaron Brooks is horrible, and has shown few signs he could ever be better than horrible.The Saints were 3-10 this year with Brooks starting and 38-44 since he became the starter. He threw 17 interceptions and only 13 touchdown passes this season and his quarterback rating was only 70.0. This marks two years running that Brooks’ completion percentage has gone down, his quarterback rating has gone down, his interceptions have gone up, and three years running that his touchdowns have gone down. That folks is a trend, not an anomaly. Brooks is not the answer for anbody at QB and I can't believe Saban would want this tunrover waiting to happen in charge of his offense.

 
Has Aaron Brooks really deserved another shot at a starting qb spot in the NFL? I definetly don't think so, but maybe Saban is just the coach he needs to get his act together.
He's still one of the top 20 QBs in the NFL. He had a bad season playing for a horrible team with no running game and injured WRs, but he had played well enough in the previous 4 seasons to earn another shot at starting. He definitely needs better coaching.
I agree. Plus he might have been top ten the last 4-5 years or so. I do't follow QB rating so much, fairly certain he was in FF scoring.IMO He focuses on one WR too much but has gotten a ton better at it. I mean it was painfully obvious a few years ago and well Horn was just special to come down with the ball so often.

Hopefully Saban or some fines will set him straight.

He's a talent. His foot in his mouth often takes the attention away from what he's done in NO. He's a very good QB IMO. Chambers value would be "thru the roof" if he goes there. I even think it would help Brown out some if Ds are worried about the pass to Chris.

 
can you please edit this thread title to include a question mark? i keep seeing it and thinking it's fact.
the topic isn't Brooks though.If you throw another name into the mix(as was probably expected) it'll make sense.

 
Dolphins | Saban may look to trade up in the NFL DraftSun, 29 Jan 2006 07:45:15 -0800Barry Jackson, of the Miami Herald, reports an <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/77/nfl">NFL person in contact with Miami Dolphins head coach Nick Saban expects Miami to aggressively explore moving up from 16th in the draft to select a quarterback, which will be very difficult. That person said Saban would be willing to open next season with QB Gus Frerotte if he can somehow achieve his goal of moving up.

 

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