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Domanick Davis Degenerative knee?!? (1 Viewer)

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This is from their message baord about 10 minutes agao, so take it for what it's worth.....610 is our local sports radio here.

Listening to 610 just a few minutes ago, they said that information has filtered down today that DD's condition is unfortunately a "DEGENERATIVE THING" and that he may never come back. As I've pointed out in the past, it sounded that his signs and symptoms were pointing more and more to degenerative arthritic (bone on bone) changes in the knee.........this doesn't improvement with time , and certainly not with continued trauma.............and it doesn't improve with more surgery. This only confirms to me that DD's knee will only worsen and become more painful with time and use..........and no one should be asking him to play through such a condition which can only lead to the need for knee replacement. DD is not a sloucher or afraid of pain. This condition can be unrelenting and excrutiatingly painful. There is no future for him if he can no longer walk let alone run. If he indeed the facts are what they seem and he sees retirement this year, rather than criticizing him as "dogging it" we should all wish him well in making a wise decision.

 
Bet Houston would like a do-over at 1.01 right about now.
Which year?
:goodposting:option a: Julius Peppers + Reggie Bushoption b: David Carr + Mario Williams
best option: Julius Peppers + Mario Williams
We will see if you're still saying this mid season. I have seen the response that the Texans did not pass on Bush, but rather they chose Williams several times on this board. However, there has never been a more clear cut number 1 pick than Reggie Bush, and the Texans will end up regretting this decision. At the very least you have to trade down. I think the Texans were worried when they couldn't get Bush signed, and they made a poor decision.
 
Big bump for Vernand Morency Owners.

There has been a lot of talk about his knee in the past. It's a damn shame too. He was a pretty good RB.

 
This is from their message baord about 10 minutes agao, so take it for what it's worth.....610 is our local sports radio here. Listening to 610 just a few minutes ago, they said that information has filtered down today that DD's condition is unfortunately a "DEGENERATIVE THING" and that he may never come back. As I've pointed out in the past, it sounded that his signs and symptoms were pointing more and more to degenerative arthritic (bone on bone) changes in the knee.........this doesn't improvement with time , and certainly not with continued trauma.............and it doesn't improve with more surgery. This only confirms to me that DD's knee will only worsen and become more painful with time and use..........and no one should be asking him to play through such a condition which can only lead to the need for knee replacement. DD is not a sloucher or afraid of pain. This condition can be unrelenting and excrutiatingly painful. There is no future for him if he can no longer walk let alone run. If he indeed the facts are what they seem and he sees retirement this year, rather than criticizing him as "dogging it" we should all wish him well in making a wise decision.
This sounds like quite a bit of speculation without much to back it up. I'm not saying it isn't true. The facts do seem to be pointing to something more serious. But I doubt he's going to retire. That said, I don't see why anyone should be drafting this guy at his current ADP until more information is known. He's a huge risk at this point.
 
For his own health, I hope he pulls out ok...

But as a selfish fantasy footballer, I can say THANK GOD I DIDN'T DRAFT HIM! Not in a single league, methinks... :excited:

 
i don't think the bone on bone thing is anything new, is it? this isn't breaking news. that isn't a degenerative condition either, is it? they just took cartilage out of his knee to the point where there isn't enough to cushion it, which means every time he uses it, it will be sore and inflamed possibly. that isn't degenerative. it's just that there isn't a way to make it better. this is what is going on with curtis martin also.

is this a dumb idea or could dom davis be used as a really good 3rd down back? let morency (smith, please...) be the power runner and bring in davis on passing downs?

 
i don't think the bone on bone thing is anything new, is it? this isn't breaking news. that isn't a degenerative condition either, is it? they just took cartilage out of his knee to the point where there isn't enough to cushion it, which means every time he uses it, it will be sore and inflamed possibly. that isn't degenerative. it's just that there isn't a way to make it better. this is what is going on with curtis martin also.is this a dumb idea or could dom davis be used as a really good 3rd down back? let morency (smith, please...) be the power runner and bring in davis on passing downs?
People have been calling him a career 3rd down back for years now, so I don't see why not. But at this point if his knee is healthy enough to come in on 3rd downs then there won't be any reason not to be using him on 1st & 2nd.
 
i don't think the bone on bone thing is anything new, is it? this isn't breaking news. that isn't a degenerative condition either, is it? they just took cartilage out of his knee to the point where there isn't enough to cushion it, which means every time he uses it, it will be sore and inflamed possibly. that isn't degenerative. it's just that there isn't a way to make it better. this is what is going on with curtis martin also.is this a dumb idea or could dom davis be used as a really good 3rd down back? let morency (smith, please...) be the power runner and bring in davis on passing downs?
As someone who has severe arthritis in his knee,theres NO way DD makes it thru the year in the pain he will be having.......period
 
Bet Houston would like a do-over at 1.01 right about now.
Which year?
:goodposting:option a: Julius Peppers + Reggie Bushoption b: David Carr + Mario Williams
best option: Julius Peppers + Mario Williams
We will see if you're still saying this mid season. I have seen the response that the Texans did not pass on Bush, but rather they chose Williams several times on this board. However, there has never been a more clear cut number 1 pick than Reggie Bush, and the Texans will end up regretting this decision. At the very least you have to trade down. I think the Texans were worried when they couldn't get Bush signed, and they made a poor decision.
The Texans have been a chronic overpayers for contracts during thier short time in the league. Pure money was not an issue unless the Bush camp said something crazy in talks. The Texans started legimately talking about Williams early in the process and everyone ignored them (including Williams' agent). I know people don't want to believe that Texans selected williams over Bush but that's what they did. If you take what they said about Bush at face value, their description of Bush was as a much better Tatum Bell..ie. 12-15 carry explosive guy that they would need sidekick with. After the 4 seasons of both poor and unexciting football that they have given Texans fans, the easy choice would have just been to select Bush and the hype. They not only did not take Bush, but allowed Young to go to the Titans(ex-Houston). in terms of PR, they took the hardest road and long term better correct. As for trading down, I am willing to bet that someone the same people who are saying they should have taken Bush, would go they should not have traded down and taken Bush. BTW, none of the teams at the top of the draft should have been willing to part with anything significant to trade up with Houston(and they were not).
 
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i don't think the bone on bone thing is anything new, is it? this isn't breaking news. that isn't a degenerative condition either, is it? they just took cartilage out of his knee to the point where there isn't enough to cushion it, which means every time he uses it, it will be sore and inflamed possibly. that isn't degenerative. it's just that there isn't a way to make it better. this is what is going on with curtis martin also.is this a dumb idea or could dom davis be used as a really good 3rd down back? let morency (smith, please...) be the power runner and bring in davis on passing downs?
Not a doctor, but I do have the same condition with my knee, and did a lot of research on the diagnosis and prognosis before and after surgery. This condition does not improve. You can manage the pain with surgery and rehab, but the padding between the two bones is gone and will never return. I can't see a player returning from this condition to any semblance of previous form. Shame for DD and Curtis Martin, but they are not fighting injury anymore. This is a "condition".
 
Canuckleheads said:
zoos said:
i don't think the bone on bone thing is anything new, is it? this isn't breaking news. that isn't a degenerative condition either, is it? they just took cartilage out of his knee to the point where there isn't enough to cushion it, which means every time he uses it, it will be sore and inflamed possibly. that isn't degenerative. it's just that there isn't a way to make it better. this is what is going on with curtis martin also.is this a dumb idea or could dom davis be used as a really good 3rd down back? let morency (smith, please...) be the power runner and bring in davis on passing downs?
Not a doctor, but I do have the same condition with my knee, and did a lot of research on the diagnosis and prognosis before and after surgery. This condition does not improve. You can manage the pain with surgery and rehab, but the padding between the two bones is gone and will never return. I can't see a player returning from this condition to any semblance of previous form. Shame for DD and Curtis Martin, but they are not fighting injury anymore. This is a "condition".
I'm curious to know how many cortizone injuections Davis Martin and Faulk have had in the spand of their career. It's OK to have them evrynow and then, but a shot once a month can cause knee degerneration as well.
 
Canuckleheads said:
zoos said:
i don't think the bone on bone thing is anything new, is it? this isn't breaking news. that isn't a degenerative condition either, is it? they just took cartilage out of his knee to the point where there isn't enough to cushion it, which means every time he uses it, it will be sore and inflamed possibly. that isn't degenerative. it's just that there isn't a way to make it better. this is what is going on with curtis martin also.is this a dumb idea or could dom davis be used as a really good 3rd down back? let morency (smith, please...) be the power runner and bring in davis on passing downs?
Not a doctor, but I do have the same condition with my knee, and did a lot of research on the diagnosis and prognosis before and after surgery. This condition does not improve. You can manage the pain with surgery and rehab, but the padding between the two bones is gone and will never return. I can't see a player returning from this condition to any semblance of previous form. Shame for DD and Curtis Martin, but they are not fighting injury anymore. This is a "condition".
I'm curious to know how many cortizone injuections Davis Martin and Faulk have had in the spand of their career. It's OK to have them evrynow and then, but a shot once a month can cause knee degerneration as well.
Look at Faulk now. During his latest surgery his knee was deemed irrepairable. He'll be a prime candidate for total knee replacements down the road.
 
stupid team drafting a DE and passing on Bush.

i'll say hindsight is 20-20, but reggie would be a nice fit right about now.

 
coolnerd said:
imeimex said:
PahtyTom said:
pelland said:
Texican said:
dickey moe said:
Bet Houston would like a do-over at 1.01 right about now.
Which year?
:goodposting:option a: Julius Peppers + Reggie Bushoption b: David Carr + Mario Williams
best option: Julius Peppers + Mario Williams
We will see if you're still saying this mid season. I have seen the response that the Texans did not pass on Bush, but rather they chose Williams several times on this board. However, there has never been a more clear cut number 1 pick than Reggie Bush, and the Texans will end up regretting this decision. At the very least you have to trade down. I think the Texans were worried when they couldn't get Bush signed, and they made a poor decision.
The Texans have been a chronic overpayers for contracts during thier short time in the league. Pure money was not an issue unless the Bush camp said something crazy in talks. The Texans started legimately talking about Williams early in the process and everyone ignored them (including Williams' agent). I know people don't want to believe that Texans selected williams over Bush but that's what they did. If you take what they said about Bush at face value, their description of Bush was as a much better Tatum Bell..ie. 12-15 carry explosive guy that they would need sidekick with. After the 4 seasons of both poor and unexciting football that they have given Texans fans, the easy choice would have just been to select Bush and the hype. They not only did not take Bush, but allowed Young to go to the Titans(ex-Houston). in terms of PR, they took the hardest road and long term better correct. As for trading down, I am willing to bet that someone the same people who are saying they should have taken Bush, would go they should not have traded down and taken Bush. BTW, none of the teams at the top of the draft should have been willing to part with anything significant to trade up with Houston(and they were not).
As I mentioned I have heard this arguement from many on this board before. I am a big fan of Mario Williams and watched nearly every game he played last year. However, there were several games where Mario was nearly invisible, he is not good on run defense, and he played with McCargo and Lawson so he wasn't seeing double teams at all times. While Bush also played with very talented players, the one thing you can say about him is he never was invisible in any game. Hype is hype, but I'm not sure there is a more sure fire thing than Reggie Bush in the last ten years of the draft. I also believe that offensive line and defensive line are the most important positions in football, and as an owner of Dom Davis in dynasty leagues I was happy to see them pass on Bush. Only time will tell, but if I had to lay money on who is going to make a more significant dent in the league the easy money is Bush.
 
I don't blame Houston for not taking Bush, but they should've traded down, IMO. Why pass on Bush? Because he's simply not a good fit in a one-cut scheme. That's like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Even if Bush could make the adjustment, you would be taking away one of his greatest assets (improvising).

Kubiak simply couldn't justify shelving his system for one player, no matter how good he is. I'm convinced that's the reason they passed on him, but like I said, the Texans should've played it differently.

 
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I don't blame Houston for not taking Bush, but they should've traded down, IMO. Why pass on Bush? Because he's simply not a good fit in a one-cut scheme. That's like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Even if Bush could make the adjustment, you would be taking away one of his greatest assets (improvising).

Kubiak simply couldn't justify shelving his system for one player, no matter how good he is. I'm convinced that's the reason they passed on him, but like I said, the Texans should've played it differently.
very interesting
 
I don't blame Houston for not taking Bush, but they should've traded down, IMO. Why pass on Bush? Because he's simply not a good fit in a one-cut scheme. That's like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Even if Bush could make the adjustment, you would be taking away one of his greatest assets (improvising).

Kubiak simply couldn't justify shelving his system for one player, no matter how good he is. I'm convinced that's the reason they passed on him, but like I said, the Texans should've played it differently.
:goodposting: You have to figure with an ex Denver GM and OC, that Houston will adopt a similar philsophy to Denver's under Shanahan.

 
Will someone please tell me why if Kubiak has this super offensive scheme that can take mere mortal running backs and turns them into superheroes, why no one else can do this and never have to draft a Reggie Bush or any other top runningback.

Does he have a patent on it, or is it just another urban legend/wives tale kind of thing.

Even if DD was 100% it was STILL one of the stupidest draft picks in recent memory.

As a Texans fan watching Mario is a knife to the heart every time he walks out on the field.

We wont even get into the Rudy Gay and Stromile Swift for Battier draft day trade.

Houston drafts make me want to go :banned: and :wall: :tfp: and :jawdrop:

 
Will someone please tell me why if Kubiak has this super offensive scheme that can take mere mortal running backs and turns them into superheroes, why no one else can do this and never have to draft a Reggie Bush or any other top runningback.Does he have a patent on it, or is it just another urban legend/wives tale kind of thing.Even if DD was 100% it was STILL one of the stupidest draft picks in recent memory.As a Texans fan watching Mario is a knife to the heart every time he walks out on the field.We wont even get into the Rudy Gay and Stromile Swift for Battier draft day trade.Houston drafts make me want to go :banned: and :wall: :tfp: and :jawdrop:
A big part of Denver's running success has been their offensive line. If it was easy to just plug in running backs as many in this thread would lead you to believe, we would never see a RB drafted until the late rounds. I don't see Mario being a complete failure, but I find it hard to believe that he will ever impact the league the way that Bush does.
 
Will someone please tell me why if Kubiak has this super offensive scheme that can take mere mortal running backs and turns them into superheroes, why no one else can do this and never have to draft a Reggie Bush or any other top runningback.Does he have a patent on it, or is it just another urban legend/wives tale kind of thing.Even if DD was 100% it was STILL one of the stupidest draft picks in recent memory.As a Texans fan watching Mario is a knife to the heart every time he walks out on the field.We wont even get into the Rudy Gay and Stromile Swift for Battier draft day trade.Houston drafts make me want to go :banned: and :wall: :tfp: and :jawdrop:
still, remember that Sanders primarily played on losing teams . . . and Rudy Gay is overrated . . .
 
Didn't the team/doctors say recently that Davis' condition is that he will have a sore knee (or a painful one) and he just needs to deal with it? I also thought they said that there was not a severe physical issue . . . it was a pain management/tolerance issue. What changed from the other day?

 
Didn't the team/doctors say recently that Davis' condition is that he will have a sore knee (or a painful one) and he just needs to deal with it? I also thought they said that there was not a severe physical issue . . . it was a pain management/tolerance issue. What changed from the other day?
The reason that he will have pain and swelling is that he does not have a normal amount of cartiledge(sp) remaining in his knee. From what I can tell from the Texan sources it is not totally bone on bone, but clearly short of normal. Unfortunately, you having to piece together the information on his condition from various sources. Just for information sake, the poster quoted in post #1 here is the medical profession and often comments on these type of issues on the Texans boards.
 
Didn't the team/doctors say recently that Davis' condition is that he will have a sore knee (or a painful one) and he just needs to deal with it? I also thought they said that there was not a severe physical issue . . . it was a pain management/tolerance issue. What changed from the other day?
Yudkin,Didn't you wonder what it was, that would be causing the permanet pain in Dom's knee?I don't think anything has changed, except that we now know what it is.
 
Didn't the team/doctors say recently that Davis' condition is that he will have a sore knee (or a painful one) and he just needs to deal with it? I also thought they said that there was not a severe physical issue . . . it was a pain management/tolerance issue. What changed from the other day?
Yudkin,Didn't you wonder what it was, that would be causing the permanet pain in Dom's knee?I don't think anything has changed, except that we now know what it is.
Still doesn't fully answer the question if Davis can play. From what I read, they were saying it is what it is and it will be sore but it should be playable. I guess the other question is if Davis will suck it up and play when it hurts.I've never had knee injuries, so I can't relate to the playing in pain in that regard. But I did play several sports with terrible ankles (one that was broken and never healed right, the other that has damage to some of the ligaments). It always hurt. And sometimes it REALLY hurt. But I could always play and only on rare occasion did I have to shut things down.
 
I don't blame Houston for not taking Bush, but they should've traded down, IMO. Why pass on Bush? Because he's simply not a good fit in a one-cut scheme. That's like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Even if Bush could make the adjustment, you would be taking away one of his greatest assets (improvising).

Kubiak simply couldn't justify shelving his system for one player, no matter how good he is. I'm convinced that's the reason they passed on him, but like I said, the Texans should've played it differently.
Everyone throws out trading down without every thinking about how hard it is to really do in the NFL. How often do we EVER see the #1 pick traded or even some of the other top 10 picks? This isn't fantasy. It takes someone wanting to move UP for a team to trade down.
 
Didn't the team/doctors say recently that Davis' condition is that he will have a sore knee (or a painful one) and he just needs to deal with it? I also thought they said that there was not a severe physical issue . . . it was a pain management/tolerance issue. What changed from the other day?
Yudkin,Didn't you wonder what it was, that would be causing the permanet pain in Dom's knee?I don't think anything has changed, except that we now know what it is.
Still doesn't fully answer the question if Davis can play. From what I read, they were saying it is what it is and it will be sore but it should be playable. I guess the other question is if Davis will suck it up and play when it hurts.
I'm thinking Dom might follow the same path Dorsey Levens did.Oh! Not trying to be rude by editing out part of your post Yudkin, just wanted to address the meat and potatoes of it.
 
I don't blame Houston for not taking Bush, but they should've traded down, IMO. Why pass on Bush? Because he's simply not a good fit in a one-cut scheme. That's like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Even if Bush could make the adjustment, you would be taking away one of his greatest assets (improvising).

Kubiak simply couldn't justify shelving his system for one player, no matter how good he is. I'm convinced that's the reason they passed on him, but like I said, the Texans should've played it differently.
Everyone throws out trading down without every thinking about how hard it is to really do in the NFL. How often do we EVER see the #1 pick traded or even some of the other top 10 picks? This isn't fantasy. It takes someone wanting to move UP for a team to trade down.
Eli Manning???& if you are suggesting that teams would not have been interested in trading up to get a player with the highest scouting grade ever, than I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Just as an example I bet that the Jets would have given Abraham and the 1.04 pick for the rights to draft Bush, and if the Texans were content with Dom Davis, wouldn't their team look a lot better with Abraham and D'Brickshaw?

 
Will someone please tell me why if Kubiak has this super offensive scheme that can take mere mortal running backs and turns them into superheroes, why no one else can do this and never have to draft a Reggie Bush or any other top runningback.Does he have a patent on it, or is it just another urban legend/wives tale kind of thing.
Atlanta also runs a zone blocking scheme and has led the NFL in rushing the past two seasons. From what I understand: The system relies on mobile linemen who make precision type blocks and take certain angles. Denver is at least partly successful because they've been able to target and coach up linemen that fit the system. (See Greg Eslinger this year) I would guess there would eventually be a diminishing return if more teams adopt the scheme and target certain linemen types. Houston and Green Bay are also now running the zone scheme. Theoretically, if 25 clubs adopted it, it would leave a lot of top quality power blocking OL for the remaining teams and then they would likely form some dominant OLs.Also, maybe there's only be a limited number of OL who really know how to coach the system effectively at this time.
 
How about straight from Kubiak? (quote below) Dom had what was supposed to be a small procedure on his knee last December. It still isn't right.

The Texans really didn't want to spend 7-9 mil a year on a cap hit for a running back on a rebuilding (or in this case building) team. Look at Denver, they traded Portis after his salary became too large. Either way, they knew Dom had issues early on and tried to move up in the draft to grab a back, so it's not like they are shocked about this. After watching the running game roll this last Saturday the Texans have much larger problems on defense and a QB who isn't very good in the pocket. Morency will start this week and the RB picture will start to clear up a bit. I still like Morency when all the smoke clears. Lundy was impressive in his debut though....but I think the rookie will handle kicks and punts and play in spot duty. I can't see this team running A Smith out as the feature back...just can't see it.

(on how much work Domanick will be able to handle when he comes back) “Well, you’d like to have a lot, that’s just part of football. It’s hard to go out and play without the work. With his situation, we have to do what’s right. We want to get something out of this year. We have to do what we have to do to get him to that point, and we’re not going to hurt him in the preseason because I think he needs the extra reps. We’re going to be smart with that. If Domanick is full strength for this football team, be it in week four, week five or week six he’s going to help this football team win, so we have to be smart with that.” http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.p...20Latest%20News
 
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August 15, 2006, 08:49 Texans :: RBRB D. Davis' Knee May Never Return To Form?John McClain, Houston Chronicle - [Full Article]Why the meeting with RB Domanick Davis? "We wanted to express to him that we're patient and not trying to dictate anything and that the lines of communication are open," GM Rick Smith said. "We needed to know how he feels. We wanted to get his perspective and see where Domanick is in his mind. "Obviously, he doesn't feel comfortable and will continue with his rehabilitation. We got a good picture of where he is right now, but there's a chance his knee may never feel like it did before the injury." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------August 15, 2006, 08:45 Texans :: RBRB Morency To See Action SaturdayJohn McClain, Houston Chronicle - [Full Article]RB Vernand Morency, who is playing in his second season, will see his first action Saturday at St. Louis. RB Antowain Smith, who has the most experience, started against the Chiefs and might not get many, if any, reps against the Rams. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------August 15, 2006, 08:40 Texans :: RBNo Timetable For RB D. Davis ReturnJohn McClain, Houston Chronicle - [Full Article]Another day, another missed practice for RB Domanick Davis, who is nursing a knee injury that has reduced him to spectator since last season. HC Gary Kubiak and GM Rick Smith had a meeting with Davis to find out where he stands in his rehabilitation. There's no timetable for Davis to return to practice, much less play in a game. When Davis will return is the question no one can answer. "I just need time to heal," he said. "I just want my knee to feel good. When it feels good again, I'll be ready to play."
 

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