Domanick Davis (1 Viewer)

[Blackjacks]

Hollings shouldn't have even been on the field last year. He was suppose to let his knee rest for a whole year so the Holllings you saw last year and the 1 you'll see this year will be 2 different rb's. In my opinion Tony will have that job by week 6.

 

[Marc Levin]

Hollings shouldn't have even been on the field last year. He was suppose to let his knee rest for a whole year so the Holllings you saw last year and the 1 you'll see this year will be 2 different rb's. In my opinion Tony will have that job by week 6.

On what basis do you make that assertion?Is it the same one that automatically shoves capable starters aside based on draft position, or ois there some ability Tony has that DD doesn't?From what I saw of DD last year he had two things that are difficultto teach and help make a good NFL back - incredible balance and excellent instincts towards the hole - overall good vision. Plus, he already knows how to play in the passing game as he demonstarted excellent receiving ability.If there is a reason you see Hollings replacing him as a starter by week 6, rather than simply earning PT, or creating a RBBC situation, I'm listening.

 

[Phlash]

Exactly. Coaches play the guy who's proven to be consistent. That's why Garrison Hearst played instead of Barlow. Now that Barlow has proven himself to the team, HE gets the starting gig.

 

[Jetdoc]

Holy crap - there is some serious blatant homerism and on the other side some fervent Hollings owners that really blow this topic out of hand.Being a Houston local (and a fervent Jet fan - so don't think I'm blinded by homerism), I can give you following takes on Davis:1. Domanick Davis has lockgrip on the starting RB gig in Houston. Even if Davis gets injured, Hollings will not "steal" the job away from him at any point in 2005.2. It is highly likely that JJ Moses will return to Houston, or they will comb the FA market for a return specialist. Hollings is currently the emergency plan regarding kick returning duties - I would highly doubt that you'd see him out there when the season rolls around, though.3. Dom Capers has made it relatively clear in his local sportstalk radio show that he plans on getting the ball into Davis' hands around 60% of all offensive plays. Although his YPC may go down with teams focusing on him, his overall yardage should increase. Does that mean he'll get 2,000 yards? I seriously doubt it. Does that mean you can take his average from 10 games last year and extrapolate it to 16 games? I doubt it as well.Overall, I expect a very solid year from Mr. Davis, and he'll make an excellent #2 RB in most fantasy scoring schemes. I would be very secure taking him in the mid second round of most drafts this year.

 

[Janus3]

last i heard, vontez duff was drafted to be teh kr/pr. then again that's what DD was drafted for last year and we know how that turned out.

 

[Colin Dowling]

1. Domanick Davis has lockgrip on the starting RB gig in Houston. Even if Davis gets injured, Hollings will not "steal" the job away from him at any point in 2005.

Your post makes a lot of sense, but starting it with something you cannot possibly be sure of was a bad idea. Stacey Mack was brought in to be the starter. He performed poorly. He got hurt. Davis outplayed him and took his job. 4 of Davis's last 6 games were "Mack-ish" - low YPC, little effectiveness. If he were to get hurt (he was hurt twice last year) or play poorly for a long stretch, Hollings will certainly cut into his workload, and could possibly take his job in a similar fashion.Colin

 

[PhinsFan]

Everyone's a critic. I wonder how many guys here could cut it as an NFL QB :rotflmao: Yes, I know I wouldn't make it either

 

[Colin Dowling]

Everyone's a critic. I wonder how many guys here could cut it as an NFL QB :rotflmao: Yes, I know I wouldn't make it either

The point of these boards is to discuss, and often criticize, players in an attempt to find the best players possible for fantasy drafting.Colin

 

[dcball]

4 of Davis's last 6 games were "Mack-ish" - low YPC, little effectiveness.

Does the fact that Carr missed 3 of those 4 games and the other was against the league's No. 1 ranked run defense not have anything to do with that?

 

[BigJim®]

Holy crap - there is some serious blatant homerism and on the other side some fervent Hollings owners that really blow this topic out of hand.1. Domanick Davis has lockgrip on the starting RB gig in Houston. Even if Davis gets injured, Hollings will not "steal" the job away from him at any point in 2005.

I like Dom Davis... a lot in fact. I agree with Levin that he showed intangibles last year which give reason to believe he has "a lockhold on the job" using your own terminology. I may very well draft him again this year in my local redraft, and I may even use a 2nd rounder to do it depending on my draw. What bother me about your post is how you talk in absolutes. There are certain RB situations which deserve absolute opinions... Priest Holmes, Marshall Faulk, a former Eddie George, a former Emmitt Smith, and I could go on and on with a list of proven players in great situations with little to no job competition... can't miss, lockhold on the position RBs. Dom Davis simply is not an open/shut lockgrip absolute, as good as he looked last year, any more than Mike Anderson was, any more than Anthony Thomas was, any more than William Green was... these backs also flashed for a portion of 1 season the intangibles Levin speaks of, which made their owners drool in anticipation of what was to come. Who doesn't remember reading the posts regarding those players the year after... projecting out 1800 yard seasons based on how they performed during a segment of the prior season. It's never that simple, I'd aver particularly with a guy seemingly prone to getting dinged, with another former blue-chip prospect who's waiting for an opening in the wings. I'm not saying DD can't become the best thing since sliced bread... he very well may and hopefully he's on my team when he does. I'm just shocked when I read posts like yours suggesting its unworthy of discussion. This is a guy people very well may be relying upon as a #1 RB if he's going early 2nd, just as they did in drafting Mike Anderson, William Green and Anthony Thomas; that is most certainly a risk in my opinion.

 

[AB in DC]

In his six games he started behind David Carr, Davis averaged 124.2 combined yards and 1 TD.In his nine games he started behind Carr or Banks, Davis averaged 113.2 combined yards and 0.9 TD.Counting all ten starts it's 107.7/0.8.Even in the four games he didn't start he racked up good numbers: 4.9 YPC, an average of 3/33 receiving out of the backfield.I really don't know what else he could have done to convince people here that he's a top back.It's not like he's the only starter with a high draft pick as a backup. Fred Taylor, Rudi Johnson, Marshall Faulk, Travis Henry, and Stephen Davis are all projected within 1 ppg of Davis by Footballguys and they've all got the same situation to deal with. Why have doubts about Dominic Davis and not these other guys?

 

[noleboy]

In his six games he started behind David Carr, Davis averaged 124.2 combined yards and 1 TD.In his nine games he started behind Carr or Banks, Davis averaged 113.2 combined yards and 0.9 TD.Counting all ten starts it's 107.7/0.8.Even in the four games he didn't start he racked up good numbers: 4.9 YPC, an average of 3/33 receiving out of the backfield.I really don't know what else he could have done to convince people here that he's a top back.It's not like he's the only starter with a high draft pick as a backup. Fred Taylor, Rudi Johnson, Marshall Faulk, Travis Henry, and Stephen Davis are all projected within 1 ppg of Davis by Footballguys and they've all got the same situation to deal with. Why have doubts about Dominic Davis and not these other guys?

Agreed, he has looked great and the evidence shows that he should be a top 10 or so running back. The reason why people doubt DD is that so far, to date, he's still a one year wonder until he proves otherwise. And he's still on a high risk, high reward team fantasywise.And people here in the FF business know that one year wonders kill otherwise perfect drafts.To me, he is the spitting image of Anthony Thomas. DD will be drafted early 2nd round when there are much better, safer options available. Take a reach for your players with upside at later points in the draft. No way I would burn a early 2nd on him. Maybe late 2nd, feel better about drafting in the 3rd tho, esp as my RB3.

 

[Janus3]

In his six games he started behind David Carr, Davis averaged 124.2 combined yards and 1 TD.In his nine games he started behind Carr or Banks, Davis averaged 113.2 combined yards and 0.9 TD.Counting all ten starts it's 107.7/0.8.Even in the four games he didn't start he racked up good numbers: 4.9 YPC, an average of 3/33 receiving out of the backfield.I really don't know what else he could have done to convince people here that he's a top back.It's not like he's the only starter with a high draft pick as a backup.  Fred Taylor, Rudi Johnson, Marshall Faulk, Travis Henry, and Stephen Davis are all projected within 1 ppg of Davis by Footballguys and they've all got the same situation to deal with.  Why have doubts about Dominic Davis and not these other guys?

of all the guys you mentioned, i'd only take taylor, everyone else is a gamble, and it's been announced in car that davis will split carries with foster 50/50. as for the rankings, i find them a joke when it comes to rb. i found it ridiculous that jamal and ahman were ranked behind henry, taylor and alexander and one spot in front of dillon. i guess that benefits me, cuz i was able to take green and jamal in almost every league i was in with a pick an the end of teh first. looks like teh same thign is happening this year. ricky williams ranked 6th/9th? it seems football guys rely entirly to much on last years performance when it comes to projections and rankings. marshall faulk is old, but 12th? when it comes to drafting, in the end i go with my gut, and i'd feel better drafting a good player with my gut and there had been somone better later than going with what's teh flavor of teh week and him being a bust or no value at the pick which is why i won't be drafting dd any time in teh 2nd.

 

[H.K.]

of all teh guys you mentioned, i'd only take taylor, everyone else is a gamble, and it's been announced in car that davis will split carries with foster 50/50. as for the rankings, i find them a joke when it comes to rb. i found it reidiculous that jamal and ahman were ranked behind henry, taylor and alexander and one spot in front of dillon. i guess that benefits for me, cuz i was able to take green and jamal in almost every league i was in with a pick an the end of teh first. looks like teh same thign is happening this year. ricky williams ranked 6th/9th? it seems football guys rely entirly to much on last years performance when it comes to projections and rankings. marshall faulk is old, but 12th? when it comes to drafting, in the end i got with gut, and i'd feel better drafting a good player with my gut and there had been somone better later than going with what's teh flavor of teh week and him being a bust.

I respect the fact that you have strong opinions and stand by them, that is the whole point to FF, living and dying with your rankings. Just curious, but I'd like to see your top 20 RB list if you don't mind sharing it...it may help others understand your view better.

 

[Janus3]

of all teh guys you mentioned, i'd only take taylor, everyone else is a gamble, and it's been announced in car that davis will split carries with foster 50/50.  as for the rankings, i find them a joke when it comes to rb.  i found it reidiculous that jamal and ahman were ranked behind henry, taylor and alexander and one spot in front of dillon.  i guess that benefits for me, cuz i was able to take green and jamal in almost every league i was in with a pick an the end of teh first.  looks like teh same thign is happening this year.  ricky williams ranked 6th/9th?  it seems football guys rely entirly to much on last years performance when it comes to projections and rankings.  marshall faulk is old, but 12th?  when it comes to drafting, in the end i got with gut, and i'd feel better drafting a good player with my gut and there had been somone better later than going with what's teh flavor of teh week and him being a bust.

I respect the fact that you have strong opinions and stand by them, that is the whole point to FF, living and dying with your rankings. Just curious, but I'd like to see your top 20 RB list if you don't mind sharing it...it may help others understand your view better.

sure, this is this year, no keepers intended btw1. LT2. Deuce3. Ahman4. Priest5. Ricky6. Jamal (pending)7. Shaun8. Edge9. Portis10. Faulk11. Fred12. Barlow13. Shipp14. Dillon15. Tiki16. DD17. Henry18. Kevin Jones19. Rudi20. Bennettif eddie winds up with the raiders i'd rank him 11, foster and davis will split carries 50/50, which is why they aren't ranked. i'd prefer foster of teh 2. i'm also pretty high on thomas jones, i think he'll be big in chi town, pending on any news he may break my top 20.

 

[H.K.]

Looks like you have Shipp in the spot many people have DDavis slotted. Compare Shipp's 2002 numbers to DDavis' 2003 stats and there are some similarities, thanks for sharing.

 

[Colin Dowling]

if eddie winds up with the raiders i'd rank him 11, foster and davis will split carries 50/50, which is why they aren't ranked. i'd prefer foster of teh 2. i'm also pretty high on thomas jones, i think he'll be big in chi town, pending on any news he may break my top 20.

Surely you are kidding. Colin

 

[Janus3]

Looks like you have Shipp in the spot many people have DDavis slotted. Compare Shipp's 2002 numbers to DDavis' 2003 stats and there are some similarities, thanks for sharing.

this is true, teh difference is shipp had to give teh ball to emmitt to put people in the seats. shipp never had a full season to himself.

 

[Janus3]

if eddie winds up with the raiders i'd rank him 11, foster and davis will split carries 50/50, which is why they aren't ranked. i'd prefer foster of teh 2. i'm also pretty high on thomas jones, i think he'll be big in chi town, pending on any news he may break my top 20.

Surely you are kidding. Colin

actually i'm not, eddie would fit in perfectly in norv turner's offense. also, the fact that this year they'll have one of the best o-lines in the league doesn't hurt either.

 

[Colin Dowling]

if eddie winds up with the raiders i'd rank him 11, foster and davis will split carries 50/50, which is why they aren't ranked. i'd prefer foster of teh 2. i'm also pretty high on thomas jones, i think he'll be big in chi town, pending on any news he may break my top 20.

Surely you are kidding. Colin

actually i'm not, eddie would fit in perfectly in norv turner's offense. also, the fact that this year they'll have one of the best o-lines in the league doesn't hurt either.

I'm guessing the fact that Eddie would be the 3rd best workhorse on the team and they already have one of the best goalline backs in the league didn't factor into the picture..COlin

 

[grouse]

yes they are talking about the new triplets carr/davis/johnson and it just might happen this year.carr is more confident than ever in his ability, davis is striving to be the best in the league, and aj...well...aj is just plain special...with a supporting cast which includes free agent acquisitions Todd Wade and Marc Bruener, along with Chester Pitts moving back to his natural position which made him a 2nd round pick, the offense could be the most explosive in recent historyBy the way, Corey Bradford in a contract year, seems extremely motivated to have a good year and is working out every day down at Reliant Park.Dont listen to Janus, if you want info on the texans come to me...

1. David Carr is never going to be more than an average quarterback.2. Domanick David didn't average 100 yards a game in his starts. He averaged 110 yards in his 4 best games. He averaged 69 yards per game in his other 6 starts. He averaged 5.47ypc in his best 4 games. He averaged 3.79 ypc in his other 6 starts. Colin

Carr not going to be more than an average qb? what tells you that. the last two years, he's complained that palmer has been holding him back like crazy...this year palmer is handing the controls to qb coach greg roman and if roman says hes good to go, carr will pass around 35 times a game...everyone can have their opinons on it i guess, i just wouldnt want to be wrong...

David Carr needs to show the following things before I give him a chance to be a top-tier QB..1. Touch - He has none. Short balls are ducks, long balls are bullets, mid-range passes are either too light (intercepted) or too hard (incomplete).2. Leadership - We may well disagree here, but I don't like Carr's attitude. I've pointed out plenty of examples and I'll do so again if necessary, but I don't see the same things in Carr's personality as I do in other young QBs. I remeber one Sunday in November, I saw post-game interviews with Carr and with Leftwich. Both had lost that day. Leftwich was visibly pissed and said something to the affect of, "If I don't throw the pick there, we win the game. Its my fault and I'm going to do every thing I can to make sure that doesn't happen again. We should have won today." Carr's response after losing to the Titans, "well, we've made some progress. We're getting better and trying to make things happen."Their statlines were nearly identical, the results the same. Leftwich shouldered it and said, "I'll fix it." Carr sought the moral victory. Thats just one example. I can give you at least half a dozen more.3. Patience - This one is as important as 1 and 2. I think Carr got sacked so much his first year that he became trigger happy last year, unloading the ball too early. He can't be blamed, but he's going to need to fix it. Particularly in mid-season, Carr was taking the snap, looking at his primary receiver and either throwing it or dumping it off to Davis. Period. There is NO WAY that DD was the 2nd receiver on those plays. He never looked at Gaffney, Bradford, Miller, or Johnson if they weren't the primary. I applaud the fact that he wanted to complete a pass and move the ball, but there's no point in running a 3 wide set if the QB looks at 1 WR before hitting his outlet. He needs to learn to stay put, trust his line (they ARE much improved) and complete his reads.There are other things, but I'd be nitpicking. THe 3 I listed are things that Carr will need to fix if he is to ever be a special QB. To be fair, they ARE fixable, but I just don't see it happening, at least not in the short term.Colin

the whole problem with david has been not enough time in the pocket...when you dont have time you have to rush things, and thats been his problem. now he has a solid front in front of him and the only problem that might occur is Seth Wand, the new left tackle might not be able to hold his own, in which case Brad Lekerkerker would fill in, otherwise, he should have more time to let things happen.the leadership thing, we didnt play the titans in november....if you're thinking about december...theres nothing he could do about that. it wasnt his fault, marcus coleman fell down and it left drew bennett wide open in the endzone for the score...maybe he should have been pissed at his team for costing him a win, but thats not david, hes a team player and while he expects to be the best, hes not going to jump on people for wrong doingalso, another sign of leadership, november 30th i believe, not too sure against the Atlanta Falcons, Tony Banks leaves at halftime with a broken hand, (tony is one of the best backups in the league by the way), everyone suspected Ragone was coming in....nope it was david carrDavid took this team on his shoulders and got them a win...he couldnt throw the ball more than 5 yards, but he was out there fighting every down, I gained all my respect for him after that.#3 deals with the oline and getting too excited...the problem looks to be fixed as hes only thrown 1 int. through the mini camps to dunta robinsonEvery qb has their problems and i think most people forget hes still only had 2 years in the nfl...do you remember aikmans woes?has joey harrington really had much more success than he has?i dont know maybe i'm defending him too much, but from what i've seen, hes determined and due for a good year

Correct, it was December - my mistake. However, do you remeber how that game ended? David Carr threw an interception to Samari Rolle. Thats what I'm referring to.Secondly, your statement about Banks leads me to Carr's postgame comments after Banks led the Texans to a win over the Bills, "Tony did what the coaches told him to do. When we do what we are supposed to, we can win." No, "Tony played great." No, "I'm sure glad that Tony was here today." Nothing. You want to suggest Carr is a team player, I'd like to see some examples, because everything I've seen (there's plenty more) suggests he's sour grapes when the credit isn't due to him.Your statement about minicamps is a little misleading. There is no QN pressure in mini-camp. THe entire problem I sighted is that he throwes the ball too soon after the snap because he's anticipating the pass-rush, thus forcing things that aren't there are resorting to his outlet too soon. He's not going to improve on this one until he figures out how to deliver a good pass with the knowledge that the moment the ball is gone, Mike Peterson or Keith Bulluck is going to plant him in the turf.(I'm not saying Harrington's any better.)Colin

"Secondly, your statement about Banks leads me to Carr's postgame comments after Banks led the Texans to a win over the Bills, "Tony did what the coaches told him to do. When we do what we are supposed to, we can win." No, "Tony played great." No, "I'm sure glad that Tony was here today." Nothing. You want to suggest Carr is a team player, I'd like to see some examples, because everything I've seen (there's plenty more) suggests he's sour grapes when the credit isn't due to him."What kind of gibberish is this? Who cares? Since when did embracing your backup's success become a barometer for greatness in the NFL? This league is littered both past and present with great players who were selfish, self-loving bastards. Some of your points are valid, but this particular one is completely irrelevant.

 

[Colin Dowling]

What kind of gibberish is this? Who cares? Since when did embracing your backup's success become a barometer for greatness in the NFL? This league is littered both past and present with great players who were selfish, self-loving bastards. Some of your points are valid, but this particular one is completely irrelevant.

You're welcome to your opinion. I was specifically refuting the claim that Carr is a team-player. He's not.Colin

 

[texansfan88]

if he wasnt a team player colin, how come he demanded he come in and stay in the 2nd half of the falcons game when he could barely throw the ball, yet still found a way to get it to his teammates?

 

[Colin Dowling]

if he wasnt a team player colin, how come he demanded he come in and stay in the 2nd half of the falcons game when he could barely throw the ball, yet still found a way to get it to his teammates?

Because he was sick of Tony Banks outplaying him.Have a nice day. Colin

 

[Janus3]

if eddie winds up with the raiders i'd rank him 11, foster and davis will split carries 50/50, which is why they aren't ranked. i'd prefer foster of teh 2. i'm also pretty high on thomas jones, i think he'll be big in chi town, pending on any news he may break my top 20.

Surely you are kidding. Colin

actually i'm not, eddie would fit in perfectly in norv turner's offense. also, the fact that this year they'll have one of the best o-lines in the league doesn't hurt either.

I'm guessing the fact that Eddie would be the 3rd best workhorse on the team and they already have one of the best goalline backs in the league didn't factor into the picture..COlin

you can't honestly think if eddie was on that team he wouldn't start? if went to the raidders he'd be at least a 1000 yard back with 8 td's.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Hollings shouldn't have even been on the field last year. He was suppose to let his knee rest for a whole year so the Holllings you saw last year and the 1 you'll see this year will be 2 different rb's. In my opinion Tony will have that job by week 6.

And I was very impressed with Hollings last year when I saw him play in the preseason. Excellent quickness and vision. If he's better this year, it will be hard to keep him on the bench.I won't end up with D.Davis on any of my teams this year. He's currently my 16th-ranked running back, but in the drafts I've seen so far he's gone in the early second round.

 

[Colin Dowling]

if eddie winds up with the raiders i'd rank him 11, foster and davis will split carries 50/50, which is why they aren't ranked. i'd prefer foster of teh 2. i'm also pretty high on thomas jones, i think he'll be big in chi town, pending on any news he may break my top 20.

Surely you are kidding. Colin

actually i'm not, eddie would fit in perfectly in norv turner's offense. also, the fact that this year they'll have one of the best o-lines in the league doesn't hurt either.

I'm guessing the fact that Eddie would be the 3rd best workhorse on the team and they already have one of the best goalline backs in the league didn't factor into the picture..COlin

you can't honestly think if eddie was on that team he wouldn't start? if went to the raidders he'd be at least a 1000 yard back with 8 td's.

Janus, you've lost it. 1. Eddie wouldn't start. Why? Because he would have the worst YPC of the 4 (Amos, Wheatley, Hambrick) with no sign that he was getting better. Big play ability? Even Wheatley had two carries over 30 yards last season. Hambrick had two also. Eddie hasn't had a carry over 30 yards since November of 2002. Al Davis loves speed. Eddie doesn't have any speed.

2. Eddie wouldn't score 8 TDs. He was terrible - TERRIBLE - from the goalline last season converting a mere 4 times in 17 attempts from inside the 5. Zack Crockett was 7 for 12, Wheatley 2 for 2.

Colin

 

[gman8343]

Eddie George???? He's old, slow, and washed up, and he was never that great to begin with. A solid back in his prime, but certainly not great.To think he could bounce back with a top 10 season with the Raiders is laughable.

 

[Janus3]

well i'll guess we'll never know unless it happens.

 

[Colin Dowling]

No, I can be pretty sure Eddie George is never going to go for 1,000/8 again except on my Playstation version of Madden 2000 (which I play often for the exclusive purpose of beating the Rams in the Super Bowl with the Titans)Colin

 

[steeler fan 3]

In Davis's best games against the Colts, Jets,and Falcons which were all by hte way in the bottom quarter of teams against the run he was very effective against teams that stopped the run he was an afterthought and averaged about 3 ypc. I will go out on record right now and say that Tony Hollings will be the starter in Houston by half way through the season and is in fact the better running back. The two biggest wastes of picks in redrafts will be both Davis boys Stephen and especially Domanick. Let someone else make that mistake and take Hollings in a late round, you won't be sorry.

 

[Long Snapper]

Might be over-analyzing this one fellow sharks. Stats from last year may or may not indicate this years Dub D performance. Take his pass recpts. Carr got in the habit of dumping off to Dom when under pressure. He got lots of catches in some games, much fewer in others could be a significant drop off in catches if D's keep him covered knowing Carr's tendencies. Teams kept outside containment on running plays eventualy to prevent him from breaking those long sideline dashes. Still he has the same perceived upside as LTII or Duce McCallister did after their first year as a starter and second year rb's with upside and fresh legs (none fresher than Davis as he was a back-up in college) are the stuff of dreams in keeper or deep fantasy leagues. My last point alone may explain the mock positions he's garnering.

 

[Kiddnets]

Just got an offer from the Davis owner in my league - can get him for a reasonable #2 RB price but the kciker is he is dirt cheap next year (#4RB money) - figured it was a no brainer as I would have enough cash to pair him with a Taylor, SA or Edge type RB and hope to have a #1 stud next year for cheap. After reading this thread I just don't know - is it really a risk to grab him as your #2 RB? I wouldn't count on him as my #1 but I don't want to invest a decent amount of money and have a RBBC by week 4 either! Maybe I can grab him and cover my bets by drafting Hollings! So is he a above averge #2 like I think he is?

 

[joffer]

In Davis's best games against the Colts, Jets,and Falcons which were all by hte way in the bottom quarter of teams against the run he was very effective against teams that stopped the run he was an afterthought and averaged about 3 ypc. I will go out on record right now and say that Tony Hollings will be the starter in Houston by half way through the season and is in fact the better running back. The two biggest wastes of picks in redrafts will be both Davis boys Stephen and especially Domanick. Let someone else make that mistake and take Hollings in a late round, you won't be sorry.

I have no idea what your first sentence is trying to say, but as far as Hollings being a better RB, is there anything other than Hollings being faster in the 40 that makes you believe that?

 

[Janus3]

Just got an offer from the Davis owner in my league - can get him for a reasonable #2 RB price but the kciker is he is dirt cheap next year (#4RB money) - figured it was a no brainer as I would have enough cash to pair him with a Taylor, SA or Edge type RB and hope to have a #1 stud next year for cheap. After reading this thread I just don't know - is it really a risk to grab him as your #2 RB? I wouldn't count on him as my #1 but I don't want to invest a decent amount of money and have a RBBC by week 4 either! Maybe I can grab him and cover my bets by drafting Hollings! So is he a above averge #2 like I think he is?

if you're going ot get davis, it's mandatory tto get hollings, just to be safe.

 

[Irish]

Count me as being on the DD bandwagon. He has tremondous lower body strength to break tackles and showed good vision. There are no guaranteed starting gigs in the NFL. I don't care who you are if you don't perform, you don't start. I have confidence in DD's ability to perform and keep his starting job the entire season. Now durability might become an issue until he proves he can hold up an entire season being the main ball carrier. I just don't understand the talk of Davis failing because he might be a one year wonder and praising Hollings as the better back. If I'm not mistaken, Hollings only played rb for 4 games in college before blowing out his knee. So their reasoning is questions about Davis being a 1 yr wonder yet Hollings hasn't even performed well in 1 game in the NFL, and questions about Davis' durability yet Hollings is coming back from a severe knee injury and hasn't proved himself to be any more durable than Davis.

 

[dparker713]

What I find funny about this is that the Hollings supporters point out DDs lack of an extended track record. Yet Hollings has no real track record in the NFL. Having watched a bunch of Texans games last year (damn no Ticket on cable!), I'd have to say that Hollings looked decent in his preseason games. He obviously plays fast, but I did not see the incredible balance that DD displayed. DD had alot of RAC in the games that I watched while Hollings didn't seem to have much at all. Additionally, DD was often able to make a cut to make the first tackler miss, a skill a starting RB absolutely must have. Now, if Hollings is even faster this year, he may have the same ability, but there is no reason to believe that he'll have a shot at the starting job absent a significant injury to DD. Basically, DD is a risk, but Hollings is pure speculation.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Basically, DD is a risk, but Hollings is pure speculation.

Yeah, but nobody's drafting Hollings in the first half of the second round. I really don't like the RBs around there (after Barlow and Faulk) -- D.Davis, S.Davis, T.Henry, C.Dillon, T.Barber, R.Johnson . . . all have more risk than I'd like with such an early pick.I'd rather take Moss/Harrison/Holt there and come back with Curtis Martin in the third.

 

[Janus3]

Basically, DD is a risk, but Hollings is pure speculation.

Yeah, but nobody's drafting Hollings in the first half of the second round. I really don't like the RBs around there (after Barlow and Faulk) -- D.Davis, S.Davis, T.Henry, C.Dillon, T.Barber, R.Johnson . . . all have more risk than I'd like with such an early pick.I'd rather take Moss/Harrison/Holt there and come back with Curtis Martin in the third.

ditto, but i, on the other hand, like dillon as well, i'll take him at the end of the 2nd.

 

[dparker713]

With all the turnover this year its not like there are many backs out there that aren't a significant risk. A WR is always a good idea at the top of the second, but if you choose to go another route I think DD is a great RB2. Myself, I'd rather take DD then someone like Barlow or Dillion after having seen both DD and AJohnson alot last year. Both have the potential to be special players. Meanwhile, the most talented person we've heard about in SF is Rattay, and he's injured, and then Dillion is a headcase on a team that has a doghouse that's easy to get into and hard to get out of. I personally don't doubt DDs talent, I doubt his durability - but all RBs are injury risks. I'm not advocating DD as a surefire pick, I just don't see the seemingly otherworldly ability that others see in Hollings. Then again, DD helped me win a couple of leagues last year including Unlucky's Alpha, so maybe some people aren't as partial to DD as I am. In the end, I see Hollings having much the same impact as Lamont Jordan, i.e. causing alot of worry but not doing anything.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

There are some general misconceptions about Davis/Hollings that get repeated ad nausem on this board:1) He is smallReality, he is an inch shorter at 5'9 than some would like him to be. However, it is not as if there have not been a great number of highly productive backs between 5' 9" and 5' 10". He is very solidly build.2)He was injury prone in college.He most certainly was not. Even if you coun't missing halves, he missed about 4.5 games in his 4 year college career.3)How good can you be if you can't beat out Toefield?Toefield, before his injuries, was a tremendous rb. 18td's as a sophomore in the SEC is serious. He was a better back than Toe in his senior year.4)The Texans didn't waste a second round pick on Hollings to keep him on the bench.I don't even know where to begin with this one. It was the Raiders second round pick coming off their Superbowl loss. I did not see one publication that predicted the Raiders to miss the playoffs. It was expected to be a very late second. The Texans had multiple picks. The 2004 senior rb crop looked very weak at the time of the supplemental draft. Hollings was a gamble worth taking on a team that had no established rb. Second round picks don't get paid much at all. They get small signing bonuses. Hollings is slated to average about 500,000 per under his contract. It is not a burden to let him sit on the bench until needed.The reason I really like him is that he looked so much better than the other Texans backs. After game three last year, many intelligent people thought that there was simply no way anyone could run behind that line. There is a reason Davis was the teams first 100 yard rusher in a game. He was their best runner. Mack, who had looked competent in Jax, could do nothing. The line just was not good at opening large holes.The team, from Casserly to specific players on the O-line gushed at length about Davis. In addition to production, he brings them effort and energy. He has one year of proven production. I don't think any back is going to outplay him enough to take the job from him unless he has a serios injury that lessens his abilities.

 

[dgrooves]

Meanwhile, the most talented person we've heard about in SF is Rattay

Kevan Barlow

Career: 471 attempts, 2211 yards, 4.7 per

2003: 201 attempts, 1024 yards, 5.1 per

2003 Starts:

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSH   YD   |  RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| 14  ari  |   18   154  |    23  |  1 || 15  cin  |   18    85  |    66  |  2 || 16  phi  |   30   154  |    33  |  2 || 17  sea  |   14    40  |    38  |  0 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+

 

[firecrackerfreakshow]

What kind of gibberish is this? Who cares? Since when did embracing your backup's success become a barometer for greatness in the NFL? This league is littered both past and present with great players who were selfish, self-loving bastards. Some of your points are valid, but this particular one is completely irrelevant.

You're welcome to your opinion. I was specifically refuting the claim that Carr is a team-player. He's not.Colin

based on this one comment he isn't a team player? The guy suffered through 76 sacks as a rookie and got up for everyone of them, to help his team..that is a team playergenius

 

[dparker713]

Meanwhile, the most talented person we've heard about in SF is Rattay

Kevan Barlow

Career: 471 attempts, 2211 yards, 4.7 per

2003: 201 attempts, 1024 yards, 5.1 per

2003 Starts:

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSH   YD   |  RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| 14  ari  |   18   154  |    23  |  1 || 15  cin  |   18    85  |    66  |  2 || 16  phi  |   30   154  |    33  |  2 || 17  sea  |   14    40  |    38  |  0 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+

In context, I meant other than Barlow.

 

[railman305]

wait how did hollings do in his one game started... im sick of hollings, the job is davis's to lose, as long as he does his job, why would hollings get in there

 

[Janus3]

wait how did hollings do in his one game started... im sick of hollings, the job is davis's to lose, as long as he does his job, why would hollings get in there

cuz he's good davis is a great back and like i said, as a houstonian he repeats his performance, btu as long as a talented back like hollings is waiting for his turn, i'd b ereluctant to draft him so high.

 

[Colin Dowling]

What kind of gibberish is this? Who cares? Since when did embracing your backup's success become a barometer for greatness in the NFL? This league is littered both past and present with great players who were selfish, self-loving bastards. Some of your points are valid, but this particular one is completely irrelevant.

You're welcome to your opinion. I was specifically refuting the claim that Carr is a team-player. He's not.Colin

based on this one comment he isn't a team player? The guy suffered through 76 sacks as a rookie and got up for everyone of them, to help his team..that is a team playergenius

Did you read hthe whole thread, or just chime in when it was conventient? I said that was "one example and I'll be happy to give more." You are welcome to hold any opinion of David Carr that you wish, as am I, but lets try not to presume too much about what I've said here. I gave one example - and as I said before - I will gladly give more if you require. And when I do, you're welcome to try and refute them any way you choose.And to be clear, David Carr suffered through 76 sacks as a rookie and got up after every one of them so he could take a snap and get sacked again. Colin

 

[TheFanatic]

No, I can be pretty sure Eddie George is never going to go for 1,000/8 again except on my Playstation version of Madden 2000 (which I play often for the exclusive purpose of beating the Rams in the Super Bowl with the Titans)Colin

Talk about sour grapes. Hey, don't stress it. 2nd place isn't all that bad!!!

 

[Colin Dowling]

No, I can be pretty sure Eddie George is never going to go for 1,000/8 again except on my Playstation version of Madden 2000 (which I play often for the exclusive purpose of beating the Rams in the Super Bowl with the Titans)Colin

Talk about sour grapes. Hey, don't stress it. 2nd place isn't all that bad!!!

:cX:

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Davis seemed to come in and do a very good job when given the opportunity in 2003. However, in his last 6 games, his YPC dropped from 5.15 over his first 8 games to 3.58 over his last 6 games. Now you could attribute that drop to a couple of other factors excluding fatigue.1) The QB situation was in chaos with Carr & Banks getting hurt forcing the Texans to play an overmatched Dave Ragone.2) Davis got nicked up himself.But it would be tough to deny that Davis has not proven himself over the course of a 16 game schedule and the Texans might see a need at this point to monitor his workload. If this is the case, then he is overvalued and it would make sense that the Texans would give opportunities to Hollings to see if he could carry a percentage of the workload. The key question though is that Hollings is unproven. In fact, his high draft status was based on his performance in 5 college game before he blew out his knee. If I remember correctly, Hollings had only recently switched position to RB before becoming the starter at Georgia Tech.I probably won't look into drafting Davis, but he seems to be a good in-season trade for candidate. IMO, the Texans won't feed him the ball 20-25 times/game right off the bat as they determine what level of workload Davis should have placed on his shoulders. Unless he performs lights out in the passing game, I could see some owners looking to cut their losses around week 3-4 as he underperforms based on their initial expectations...