Dominic Rhodes? (1 Viewer)

[PublicEnemy#1]

Still tryng to figure out what is going to happen with this situation/ Looks like Jordan is out, do you think Rhodes will be the feature back or will they lean on Fargas.

I am looking to maybe add him to my team but I would have to cut somebody, is it worth it.

Here are the possible cut players:

Morency - right now leaning this way

Kenton Keith - think I want to hold on to him just in case

 

[PublicEnemy#1]

bump

 

[Tanner9919]

bump

I'm a newbie here, what does it mean when you use the 'bump' reply?!

 

[MDSkinner]

bump

I'm a newbie here, what does it mean when you use the 'bump' reply?!

Bump just means that he is brining it to the top of the page.As for Rhodes, I am pretty sure that your guess is as good as anyone else's. No one seems completely sure with what they will do with Rhodes/Fargas this week. The fact that Rhodes has been out up to this game makes it even more sketchy as to whether or not he is in game shape. Most seem to expect Fargas to get a good share of the carries (perhaps even 50%) but no one is certain at this stage. All speculation.

 

[FFChick32]

As a L Jordan and Rhodes owner, they are both on my bench this week. I wouldn't have a problem starting Rhodes with Jordan out if it weren't for my worries of Culpepper stealing all the rushing tds....so, I'm thinking Rhodes and Fargas will split and Culp will steal tds, leaving not many points for the rbs.....just my opinion.....

(And believe me, it's not because I don't need one of them this week!)

 

[BroadwayG]

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[FFdork]

Still tryng to figure out what is going to happen with this situation/ Looks like Jordan is out, do you think Rhodes will be the feature back or will they lean on Fargas.

This is a legit shark pool question

I am looking to maybe add him to my team but I would have to cut somebody, is it worth it.Here are the possible cut players:Morency - right now leaning this wayKenton Keith - think I want to hold on to him just in case

This belongs in the AC forum.

 

[North]

This week may be iffy for starting Rhodes as a #1 with Jordan out b/c he isn't in game shape. I think he and Fargas will share carries 50/50. Next week however if Jordan is still out I think that Rhodes becomes the #1 guy and Fargas assumes his role as backup, just as he was doing with Jordan in there.

 

[Chaka]

Still tryng to figure out what is going to happen with this situation/ Looks like Jordan is out, do you think Rhodes will be the feature back or will they lean on Fargas.

This is a legit shark pool question

Everything I have read from Kiffin this weeks indicates they want to limit Rhodes touches as he gets into game shape, during suspension a player is not allowed to practice with the team, I am pretty sure they cannot even show up at the facility either (anyone want to verify this?). So at first blush I would say this should bump Fargas.The only caveat is with Jordan's injury being worse than feared (doubtful on the injury report) can Fargas handle the whole load vs a still dangerous SD run defense? He probably is not the type of back to wear them out so the team may need to feed Rhodes more than they want to.

I still see Fargas as the better play this week

I am looking to maybe add him to my team but I would have to cut somebody, is it worth it.

Here are the possible cut players:

Morency - right now leaning this way

Kenton Keith - think I want to hold on to him just in case

This belongs in the AC forum.

Threads that are asking for advice on how you should draft or manage your team belong in The Assistant Coach forum.

 

[kilrb]

With a four game suspension Rhodes could work out at the facility but not practice with the team. I say they limit his touches, especially with fargas looking great.

 

[Chaka]

Why is everyone so sure Rhodes is so much better than Fargas that he would definitely assume the starting gig full time ala Lamont Jordan if LJ cannot play?

Rhodes had a great rookie year on a very good team and then blew out an ACL. After the ACL he has averaged 3.7 yards per carry on 317 carries on equally good Indy teams.

Fargas has averaged 3.9 ypc on 258 carries (excluding this season in case the Miami game is an aberration, which it likely is) on perhaps the worst team in the league over the last five seasons.

I know they brought Rhodes in this year but is anyone certain that was not an Al Davis move instead of a Lane Kiffin decision? (Spare me press clippings, what is the HC gonna say? "I didn't want this guy."? I doubt it).

I'm just saying.

 

[Chaka]

With a four game suspension Rhodes could work out at the facility but not practice with the team. I say they limit his touches, especially with fargas looking great.

You sure about that? I am seeing conflicting reports.

The Cowboys or any team would be able to sign Tank Johnson during his suspension but he cannot work out or have contact with a team until he serves his suspension in its entirety. Since Johnson is suspended, such meetings would have to take place away from the team's Valley Ranch facility.

But Jonathan Joseph

Per NFL rules, Joseph may not attend practices this week, but will be allowed to attend meetings and to work out individually at team facilities.

 

[kilrb]

Positive about him being able to workout at the facility. That changes though they get a year suspension. Tank has been working out at the Cowboys facility.

 

[PatrickT]

I dropped Wynn and picked up Rhodes, basically for next week on. Kiffen is on record (read it on thread here) saying that Rhodes is not up to speed on the offense yet, so counting on him this week is not wise, IMO. I have Jason Wright covering this week, then Henry is back. I'm hoping Rhodes takes it over by the time Henry is suspended, which I think is likely. If not, I still have Henry.

If Jordan's back is really that bad, I think it's likely Rhodes will take the feature role over. It is possible, tho, that they start giving Bush some looks, which would destroy my master plan.

 

[qimqam]

With a four game suspension Rhodes could work out at the facility but not practice with the team. I say they limit his touches, especially with fargas looking great.

Thank you Fargas owner ... And let's just disregard the first 4 years of his career if it makes you feel better.

 

[MCguidance]

I cannot find the link but I know that if a player is suspended for anything less than one year, he is allowed to attend the team facility and participate in team drills. Anything overa year you must stay away from the team (unless specified to see a team dr or treatment specialist) for the duration of the suspension. I have also read that Kiffin and other media types, have said that Rhodes is in excellent shape. Whether that is "game" shape, however, remains to be seen.

 

[Big Score]

Raiders Coach Lane Kiffin wants to be careful with Rhodes. The idea of moving him around on the field to create mismatches is tempting, but not at the risk of compromising the offense.

"The guy hasn't played yet and so the last thing we want to do is put a bunch on him and try to do too much," Kiffin said. "He's not even right yet with just the basic stuff."

www.mercurynews.com

RB Doubtful Oct 12 back Likely will not play

Latest News:

LaMont Jordan (back) is listed as doubtful for Week 6. This basically puts an end to any hope Jordan may have had of playing at San Diego. We suspect Dominic Rhodes will start and share carries with Justin Fargas. Neither would be a good fantasy play in a difficult matchup.

From Rotoworld

 

[rckstr]

With all the speculation as to how much Rhodes will be used this week, I don't see any way to predict his statline. There is nothing to base his production on. The pre-season is out because he hasn't seen game speed in 6 weeks. You just have to look at him as one of those high risk, high reward players heading into thisweek. Most drafted him at the bottom of their RB pool in hopes that he could be a bye week filler, which is exactly what he is. It can be assumed he isn't going to carry the load anytime soon, but he hasn't been banged up for the first 6 weeks of the season either, so he could come out fresh and break a big play here or there. It is just as likely he could have 6 carries for 6 yards. There are definitely more reliable options out there until he proves his worth.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

With all the speculation as to how much Rhodes will be used this week, I don't see any way to predict his statline. There is nothing to base his production on. The pre-season is out because he hasn't seen game speed in 6 weeks. You just have to look at him as one of those high risk, high reward players heading into thisweek. Most drafted him at the bottom of their RB pool in hopes that he could be a bye week filler, which is exactly what he is. It can be assumed he isn't going to carry the load anytime soon, but he hasn't been banged up for the first 6 weeks of the season either, so he could come out fresh and break a big play here or there. It is just as likely he could have 6 carries for 6 yards. There are definitely more reliable options out there until he proves his worth.

This is week 6, there is not that many more options out there for RB's.

 

[Rovers]

Based on Kiffen's comments (posted in the Lamont Jordan thread) I will be starting Fargas over Ward as my #3 RB. I think Rhodes will get spot duty this week. Sure, if he has some quality carries he could supplant Fargas, but I don't see that happening. The fact that Kiffen said Rhodes didn't know all the offensive plays yet tells me this may be the one week it could pay off to start Fargas. I think they will try to ease Rhodes into the rotation. Let's face it, the guy hasn't taken a snap as an Oakland Raider yet. If you were Kiffen, would you put all your eggs in that basket? Knowing how well Fargas played two weeks ago?

 

[rckstr]

With all the speculation as to how much Rhodes will be used this week, I don't see any way to predict his statline. There is nothing to base his production on. The pre-season is out because he hasn't seen game speed in 6 weeks. You just have to look at him as one of those high risk, high reward players heading into thisweek. Most drafted him at the bottom of their RB pool in hopes that he could be a bye week filler, which is exactly what he is. It can be assumed he isn't going to carry the load anytime soon, but he hasn't been banged up for the first 6 weeks of the season either, so he could come out fresh and break a big play here or there. It is just as likely he could have 6 carries for 6 yards. There are definitely more reliable options out there until he proves his worth.

This is week 6, there is not that many more options out there for RB's.

I hear you, more teams on a bye this week than ever before. But there seems to be a lot of fillers stepping up because of injuries; Jason Wright, DeShawn Wynn, Earnest Graham, Sammy Morris, Derrick Ward, Brian Leonard. I play in a couple of leagues where at least one of these guys is still available so it depends on the depth and size (of course). In a 14 team league where you draft 5 RB's, I don't expect any of these guys to be available, but in a 10 team league more likely.I am simply stating that Rhodes seems to be more of a "wait and see" player at this point rather than a viable bye week replacement.

 

[Big Score]

Based on Kiffen's comments (posted in the Lamont Jordan thread)

The Kiffen comments you're talking about, are they the same ones in this thread just three posts above yours? Or they different comments? If they're different comments from Kiffen than those in this thread, could you link us or copy & paste them, so we don't have to wade through the 4 pages of the Lamont Jordan thread to find them?TIA

 

[Chaka]

Based on Kiffen's comments (posted in the Lamont Jordan thread)

The Kiffen comments you're talking about, are they the same ones in this thread just three posts above yours? Or they different comments?

If they're different comments from Kiffen than those in this thread, could you link us or copy & paste them, so we don't have to wade through the 4 pages of the Lamont Jordan thread to find them?

TIA

How about linking to the free news page on the FBG home page?Fine here it is.

And if you select the Oakland Raiders link here you can read all about that team.

Oh and here is the link you are looking for.

And in case that is to difficult to navigate here is the quote you are looking for

Rhodes catching up: Running backs Dominic Rhodes and Justin Fargas split first-team snaps when starter LaMont Jordan could not continue with back problems Tuesday.

Rhodes joined the 53-man roster last week after serving a four-week suspension, and coach Lane Kiffin doesn't want to rush him back after not practicing for a month.

"You don't want to do too much with him too fast," Kiffin said. "The last thing we want to do is put a bunch on him ... and he's not even right yet with the basic stuff. So we'll take it slow in that way."

This took me under 90 seconds to accomplish. You're welcome.

 

[Raiders Fan]

I would love to see Rhodes get the ball 20+ times. That is why they got him.. If something happened to Jordan he would be the guy.. Fargas is nothing more then a scat back.. Yet this week looks to be a split. Of the 2 Rhodes has the better chance to get goalline. I will be starting Rhodes as a flex in 1 league and have not even tried to pick up Fargas..

 

[spurs44]

I would love to see Rhodes get the ball 20+ times. That is why they got him.. If something happened to Jordan he would be the guy.. Fargas is nothing more then a scat back.. Yet this week looks to be a split. Of the 2 Rhodes has the better chance to get goalline. I will be starting Rhodes as a flex in 1 league and have not even tried to pick up Fargas..

Fargas ran pretty good last week. Rhodes first game back. Depends on the way the game is going in my opinion. If the Raiders game plan uses alot of screen or dump off passes to rb's, then I see Fargas as the one to target. Otherwise, I see it as 60-40 with Fargas with 60 percent. By the way, he is listed as 222 lb's, kinda big for a scat back wouln't you agree?

 

[MCguidance]

I would love to see Rhodes get the ball 20+ times. That is why they got him.. If something happened to Jordan he would be the guy.. Fargas is nothing more then a scat back.. Yet this week looks to be a split. Of the 2 Rhodes has the better chance to get goalline. I will be starting Rhodes as a flex in 1 league and have not even tried to pick up Fargas..

Fargas ran pretty good last week. Rhodes first game back. Depends on the way the game is going in my opinion. If the Raiders game plan uses alot of screen or dump off passes to rb's, then I see Fargas as the one to target. Otherwise, I see it as 60-40 with Fargas with 60 percent. By the way, he is listed as 222 lb's, kinda big for a scat back wouln't you agree?

I was under the assumption that Rhodes is the better receiver out of the backfield (not including Lamont)?

 

[Chief]

not to HIJACK, but what happens when Michael Bush comes available after week 7??

has anyone heard?

 

[Chaka]

I would love to see Rhodes get the ball 20+ times. That is why they got him.. If something happened to Jordan he would be the guy.. Fargas is nothing more then a scat back.. Yet this week looks to be a split. Of the 2 Rhodes has the better chance to get goalline. I will be starting Rhodes as a flex in 1 league and have not even tried to pick up Fargas..

Again I ask, why would you say this?What has Rhodes done in his career that would inspire such faith?People are putting to much faith into a marginal talent like Rhodes.

 

[The Mechanic]

Well sometimes you got to go with your gut feeling. In my Felx position I'm starting Rhodes.

Fresh legs, eager to show his talent & Oakland is in first place in their devision.

Stranger things have happened & my gut tells me Rhodes will get the goaline carries.

It's a roll the dice situation and I'm hoping for a big win with double 6's to come out.

Go Dominic!

 

[RoosterScott]

It'd be nice to hear from a source close to the team. We'll have to cross our fingers for something on pregames. I'm just interested in how many touches they think he can handle.

 

[PublicEnemy#1]

Ahmen there, I am still up in the air on what to do with this one

 

[3C's]

I would love to see Rhodes get the ball 20+ times. That is why they got him.. If something happened to Jordan he would be the guy.. Fargas is nothing more then a scat back.. Yet this week looks to be a split. Of the 2 Rhodes has the better chance to get goalline. I will be starting Rhodes as a flex in 1 league and have not even tried to pick up Fargas..

Fargas scatback and Rhodes goalline? Fargas is 220+ and Rhodes is 205. Not sure I see it the same way but I'm not a Raider fan.

 

[prosopis]

I am starting Graham over him. I want to take a wait and see approach. I feel Graham will have more opportunity today.

 

[Raiders Fan]

I would love to see Rhodes get the ball 20+ times. That is why they got him.. If something happened to Jordan he would be the guy.. Fargas is nothing more then a scat back.. Yet this week looks to be a split. Of the 2 Rhodes has the better chance to get goalline. I will be starting Rhodes as a flex in 1 league and have not even tried to pick up Fargas..

Again I ask, why would you say this?What has Rhodes done in his career that would inspire such faith?People are putting to much faith into a marginal talent like Rhodes.

2001 had 1104 yards with only 233 carries.. 4.7YPCMy guess is you discount past... If that is the case what faith do you have in a 5 year back that hit his first 100 yard game?? Lets go into contracts.. Rhodes signed a 2 year 7.5 mil contract and Fargas is making 800K. Hmmmm I guess they wanted to pay Rhodes that much to sit around.. My guess is you have Fargas..

 

[Raiders Fan]

I would love to see Rhodes get the ball 20+ times. That is why they got him.. If something happened to Jordan he would be the guy.. Fargas is nothing more then a scat back.. Yet this week looks to be a split. Of the 2 Rhodes has the better chance to get goalline. I will be starting Rhodes as a flex in 1 league and have not even tried to pick up Fargas..

Fargas scatback and Rhodes goalline? Fargas is 220+ and Rhodes is 205. Not sure I see it the same way but I'm not a Raider fan.

Rhodes is 5'8 and 208 and Fargas is 6'1 and 220.. If you look at them you would see that Rhodes is built stronger for his weight.. Don't forget the height difference.. As you get taller you are naturally heavier. That doesn't mean your more solid because you hare heavier..

 

[Big Score]

Based on Kiffen's comments (posted in the Lamont Jordan thread)

The Kiffen comments you're talking about, are they the same ones in this thread just three posts above yours? Or they different comments?

If they're different comments from Kiffen than those in this thread, could you link us or copy & paste them, so we don't have to wade through the 4 pages of the Lamont Jordan thread to find them?

TIA

How about linking to the free news page on the FBG home page?Fine here it is.

And if you select the Oakland Raiders link here you can read all about that team.

Oh and here is the link you are looking for.

And in case that is to difficult to navigate here is the quote you are looking for

Rhodes catching up: Running backs Dominic Rhodes and Justin Fargas split first-team snaps when starter LaMont Jordan could not continue with back problems Tuesday.

Rhodes joined the 53-man roster last week after serving a four-week suspension, and coach Lane Kiffin doesn't want to rush him back after not practicing for a month.

"You don't want to do too much with him too fast," Kiffin said. "The last thing we want to do is put a bunch on him ... and he's not even right yet with the basic stuff. So we'll take it slow in that way."

This took me under 90 seconds to accomplish. You're welcome.

Your search & link skills are awesome Chaka, but you might want to brush up on your reading comprehension a bit.Only wanted a link to the Kiffen comments Rovers was referring to if they were different to the Kiffen comments already in this very thread right...

here

This took me under 5 seconds to accomplish. You're welcome.

 

[Big Score]

I would love to see Rhodes get the ball 20+ times. That is why they got him.. If something happened to Jordan he would be the guy.. Fargas is nothing more then a scat back.. Yet this week looks to be a split. Of the 2 Rhodes has the better chance to get goalline. I will be starting Rhodes as a flex in 1 league and have not even tried to pick up Fargas..

Again I ask, why would you say this?What has Rhodes done in his career that would inspire such faith?

People are putting to much faith into a marginal talent like Rhodes.

2001 had 1104 yards with only 233 carries.. 4.7YPCMy guess is you discount past... If that is the case what faith do you have in a 5 year back that hit his first 100 yard game?? Lets go into contracts.. Rhodes signed a 2 year 7.5 mil contract and Fargas is making 800K. Hmmmm I guess they wanted to pay Rhodes that much to sit around.. My guess is you have Fargas..

I see lots of people pointing at Rhodes $7.5 million dollar contract & saying "See he's the guy. They're not gonna pay him $7.5 million and then not use him."But lets take a deeper look at this $7.5 million dollar contract that Rhodes has...

To be accurate, even if the Raiders were paying Rhodes his full salary this year + his signing bonus, it's only $2.5 million, not $7.5 million.

But with no game checks for Rhodes during his 4 game suspension, the Raiders are paying him just a little over $2 million this year & with the $1 million bonus no doubt being spread over the two years of his contract, he would show on the Raiders books for just a tad over $1.5 million this year.

The Raiders are sure to approach Rhodes about restructuring his contract next year (no way they pay him $5 million). If Rhodes refuses to renegotiate, they'll simply cut him & carry the small cap charge of 1/2 a million from spreading his bonus. Or even better for the Raiders, just wait till after June to cut him & then only carry a 1/4 million cap charge for 2008 / 2009.

IMO, Rhodes contract is not the determining factor regarding his playing time.

Now lets take a look at this..."2001 had 1104 yards with only 233 carries.. 4.7YPC"

That was 6 years ago & before he tore up his knee.

So wouldn't a more accurate measuring stick be to look at how Rhodes has done since his reconstructive knee surgery?

And to be completely fair, we'll look at his production a couple of years after his reconstructive knee surgery when we know it's had plenty of time to heal.

Lets take a look.

+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2005 ind | 13 | 40 118 3.0 4 | 13 88 6.8 0 || 2006 ind | 16 | 187 641 3.4 5 | 36 251 7.0 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+Hmmmm.....A 3.0 & 3.4 ypc with Manning at QB & WR / TE threats like Harrison, Wayne & Clark to make sure he's never facing 8 in the box.Now Rhodes still could be the man for the Raiders if Jordan is unable to fight through his back issue, but your argument for Rhodes being the man because of his contract & what he did stat wise in 2001 pre-knee injury, isn't very convincing.