Donovan McNabb says RGIII will fail (1 Viewer)

[TheFanatic]

I would say Cutler progressed quite well under Shanahan and his "terrible system". The football people I respect the knowledge of (not the mouth pieces) on NFL radio and ESPN all indicate RGIII style fits perfectly with the Shanahan system - lots of roll out/boot legs which appear to be a strength of RGIII.

It is just McNabb being McNabb. Whether you agreed with him at the time or not, look back at the carnage this guy has left with different people throughout his career. And as always, it is someone else's fault for any lack of success by McNabb. It is never any short comings of McNabbs.

But Cutler was already an established.... Oh, wait....

 

[Dought Man]

I agree with CSTU and I'm the Scientist.People used to refer to Shanahan as some type of genius but, minus one HOF and arguable top 10 QB to ever play in the history of the league, and Shanahan teams have looked lost and listless and haven't accomplished anything.On the other hand, Donovan McNabb, who several here are calling a failure, is a 6 time pro-bowler, made the Eagles relevant after a decade of mediocrity, went to the playoffs 7 times and has a winning record in the playoffs (look it up and take a look for yourself how many NFL teams have winning playoff records...you might be surprised). How many playoff games have the Eagles won since McNabb left? His level of "fail" exceeds about 85% of the players in the league.For RG III, I believe there has to be a beeter organizational vision and coaching both for him to have real success. I don't get that vibe from the Skins.

Exactly...its fun to hate..but if McNabb is the face of failure...there aren't many successful NFL players outside of the top 10%.

 

[Sidewinder16]

People used to refer to Shanahan as some type of genius but, minus one HOF and arguable top 10 QB to ever play in the history of the league, and Shanahan teams have looked lost and listless and haven't accomplished anything.On the other hand, Donovan McNabb, who several here are calling a failure, is a 6 time pro-bowler, made the Eagles relevant after a decade of mediocrity, went to the playoffs 7 times and has a winning record in the playoffs (look it up and take a look for yourself how many NFL teams have winning playoff records...you might be surprised). How many playoff games have the Eagles won since McNabb left? His level of "fail" exceeds about 85% of the players in the league.

So Elway made Shanahan and McNabb made Reid?

 

[rizzler]

Did anyone in this forum happen to see what the Skins gave up to get RG3?

He is already the centerpiece of this team. And let's face it, the Skins, who I loathe for stealing him from the Browns, have done a decent job of surrounding him with some talent so far. Nothing extraordinary, but still better than what the Browns would have had for him.

Josh Morgan and Pierre Garcon, both pieces who could flourish in a new system, Fred Davis who is a monster when healthy, and whoever else they bring in come April.

The only advantage the Browns would have offered is the O-Line.

At present time, he ended up in a better landing spot than where he could have gone. Will he sink? Maybe. Only time will tell, but the fact remains that McNabb is a sloppy can of spam and dove into anonymity faster than Right Said Fred.

 

[Buck Stop]

the fact remains that McNabb is a sloppy can of spam and dove into anonymity faster than Right Said Fred.

 

[Fat Nick]

People used to refer to Shanahan as some type of genius but, minus one HOF and arguable top 10 QB to ever play in the history of the league, and Shanahan teams have looked lost and listless and haven't accomplished anything.On the other hand, Donovan McNabb, who several here are calling a failure, is a 6 time pro-bowler, made the Eagles relevant after a decade of mediocrity, went to the playoffs 7 times and has a winning record in the playoffs (look it up and take a look for yourself how many NFL teams have winning playoff records...you might be surprised). How many playoff games have the Eagles won since McNabb left? His level of "fail" exceeds about 85% of the players in the league.

So Elway made Shanahan and McNabb made Reid?

And if so...then WHO CARES who the coach is, RGIII can "make" Shanahan in DC...

 

[Shutout]

People used to refer to Shanahan as some type of genius but, minus one HOF and arguable top 10 QB to ever play in the history of the league, and Shanahan teams have looked lost and listless and haven't accomplished anything.On the other hand, Donovan McNabb, who several here are calling a failure, is a 6 time pro-bowler, made the Eagles relevant after a decade of mediocrity, went to the playoffs 7 times and has a winning record in the playoffs (look it up and take a look for yourself how many NFL teams have winning playoff records...you might be surprised). How many playoff games have the Eagles won since McNabb left? His level of "fail" exceeds about 85% of the players in the league.

So Elway made Shanahan and McNabb made Reid?

Didn't say that. Just pointing out that sometimes being an NFL coach is kind of like being a craftsman. Whether its stone, metal, wood, etc, the quality of your product sometimes is largely dependent on the quality of the stock you start with.I don't think its any great secret that an all-time top 10 franchise QB could go a LONG way in making those around him (players AND coaches) look better.So, take away that one great player, after the fact, and go back to the original thought: Is this going to be a good fit? Is Shanahan going to set the player up and will it be successful? well, there remains a lot to be seen because unless RG III is an elite player, then Shanahan hasn't shown the ability to do that. And of course, if he turns out to be an all time great, i guess it doesn't matter; you or I could be the coach and look decent under that scenario, huh?But I guess the real difference is we are talking about a situation where people talk as if Shanahan is down in his mad scientist lab mixing up stuff and he is going to use RG III as this catalyst that is going to be awesome. But has he ever really shown that he is a "molder of men"? That HE (the coach) is the difference-maker? No, not really. He has shown to be pretty good when he is handed the best materials, but that's about it.A guy like Bill parcells, on the other hand, has made a career out of reviving down trodden franchises. He has shown that he can take whatever material, put it in a pot, and make it nice. Shanahan hasn't. And that is kind of the point McNabb is making. He is saying that shanahan hasn't shown an ability to do ALL the things (have flexibility, make things gel, etc).So, to me, this is a situation where if you told me almost any QB was going to a Parcells team, or a coach like the Packers or ravens coach, I would be more inclined to think that those guys would know how to make it work best moreso than Shanahan.

 

[Amused to Death]

People used to refer to Shanahan as some type of genius but, minus one HOF and arguable top 10 QB to ever play in the history of the league, and Shanahan teams have looked lost and listless and haven't accomplished anything.

On the other hand, Donovan McNabb, who several here are calling a failure, is a 6 time pro-bowler, made the Eagles relevant after a decade of mediocrity, went to the playoffs 7 times and has a winning record in the playoffs (look it up and take a look for yourself how many NFL teams have winning playoff records...you might be surprised). How many playoff games have the Eagles won since McNabb left? His level of "fail" exceeds about 85% of the players in the league.

So Elway made Shanahan and McNabb made Reid?

Didn't say that. Just pointing out that sometimes being an NFL coach is kind of like being a craftsman. Whether its stone, metal, wood, etc, the quality of your product sometimes is largely dependent on the quality of the stock you start with.I don't think its any great secret that an all-time top 10 franchise QB could go a LONG way in making those around him (players AND coaches) look better.

So, take away that one great player, after the fact, and go back to the original thought: Is this going to be a good fit? Is Shanahan going to set the player up and will it be successful? well, there remains a lot to be seen because unless RG III is an elite player, then Shanahan hasn't shown the ability to do that. And of course, if he turns out to be an all time great, i guess it doesn't matter; you or I could be the coach and look decent under that scenario, huh?

But I guess the real difference is we are talking about a situation where people talk as if Shanahan is down in his mad scientist lab mixing up stuff and he is going to use RG III as this catalyst that is going to be awesome. But has he ever really shown that he is a "molder of men"? That HE (the coach) is the difference-maker? No, not really. He has shown to be pretty good when he is handed the best materials, but that's about it.

A guy like Bill parcells, on the other hand, has made a career out of reviving down trodden franchises. He has shown that he can take whatever material, put it in a pot, and make it nice. Shanahan hasn't. And that is kind of the point McNabb is making. He is saying that shanahan hasn't shown an ability to do ALL the things (have flexibility, make things gel, etc).

So, to me, this is a situation where if you told me almost any QB was going to a Parcells team, or a coach like the Packers or ravens coach, I would be more inclined to think that those guys would know how to make it work best moreso than Shanahan.

So are you also suggesting that McNabb made Reid? According to Mike Greenberg, Reid's a HOF coach.

 

[Ghost Rider]

McNabb has been on ESPN a lot lately, and he comes off like a major d-bag who is incapable of grasping the idea that other players might do things differently that the exact way he thinks they should be done. Plus, he was emphatic this morning that he is the most criticized QB of all-time. Boo-freaking-hoo, Donovan. Somebody get that guy a pacifier.

 

[cstu]

So are you also suggesting that McNabb made Reid? According to Mike Greenberg, Reid's a HOF coach.

He hasn't won a playoff game since McNabb left.

 

[Amused to Death]

So are you also suggesting that McNabb made Reid? According to Mike Greenberg, Reid's a HOF coach.

He hasn't won a playoff game since McNabb left.

IMO, they needed each other. Neither has been the same without the other.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

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Posted by Michael David Smith on March 30, 2012, 2:52 PM EDTGetty ImagesFormer Eagles, Redskins and Vikings quarterback Donovan McNabb made another appearance on ESPN First Take on Friday, and just as he did on Thursday by questioning whether Robert Griffin III can fit with the Redskins, McNabb made a comment that will surely raise eyebrows.This time, McNabb proclaimed himself the most unfairly maligned quarterback in NFL history, saying that no other passer has ever had to deal with the same stuff that he has.It started with McNabb criticizing Tim Tebow and First Take provocateur Skip Bayless stepping in to say Tebow receives more criticism than he deserves.“Tim Tebow,” Bayless said, “is the most unfairly, over-criticized quarterback in the history of this league.”With that, McNabb interjected, “Negative — I am.”“I am,” McNabb continued. “Nobody has been criticized as much as I have.”McNabb has faced plenty of criticism, although whether that criticism is unfair is a matter of opinion. It was surely unfair when McNabb was booed on draft day in 1998, and Rush Limbaugh once offered a dumb assessment of McNabb, but for the most part the amount of criticism he has received has mirrored the quality of his play. When McNabb played well, he was rewarded with cheers, Pro Bowls and endorsements.And when McNabb played poorly, he was booed, traded and finally released. There’s nothing unfair about that.

 

[rizzler]

IMO, they needed each other. Neither has been the same without the other.

They're both still fat knuckleheads.Consistent in that regard.

 

[Shutout]

People used to refer to Shanahan as some type of genius but, minus one HOF and arguable top 10 QB to ever play in the history of the league, and Shanahan teams have looked lost and listless and haven't accomplished anything.

On the other hand, Donovan McNabb, who several here are calling a failure, is a 6 time pro-bowler, made the Eagles relevant after a decade of mediocrity, went to the playoffs 7 times and has a winning record in the playoffs (look it up and take a look for yourself how many NFL teams have winning playoff records...you might be surprised). How many playoff games have the Eagles won since McNabb left? His level of "fail" exceeds about 85% of the players in the league.

So Elway made Shanahan and McNabb made Reid?

Didn't say that. Just pointing out that sometimes being an NFL coach is kind of like being a craftsman. Whether its stone, metal, wood, etc, the quality of your product sometimes is largely dependent on the quality of the stock you start with.I don't think its any great secret that an all-time top 10 franchise QB could go a LONG way in making those around him (players AND coaches) look better.

So, take away that one great player, after the fact, and go back to the original thought: Is this going to be a good fit? Is Shanahan going to set the player up and will it be successful? well, there remains a lot to be seen because unless RG III is an elite player, then Shanahan hasn't shown the ability to do that. And of course, if he turns out to be an all time great, i guess it doesn't matter; you or I could be the coach and look decent under that scenario, huh?

But I guess the real difference is we are talking about a situation where people talk as if Shanahan is down in his mad scientist lab mixing up stuff and he is going to use RG III as this catalyst that is going to be awesome. But has he ever really shown that he is a "molder of men"? That HE (the coach) is the difference-maker? No, not really. He has shown to be pretty good when he is handed the best materials, but that's about it.

A guy like Bill parcells, on the other hand, has made a career out of reviving down trodden franchises. He has shown that he can take whatever material, put it in a pot, and make it nice. Shanahan hasn't. And that is kind of the point McNabb is making. He is saying that shanahan hasn't shown an ability to do ALL the things (have flexibility, make things gel, etc).

So, to me, this is a situation where if you told me almost any QB was going to a Parcells team, or a coach like the Packers or ravens coach, I would be more inclined to think that those guys would know how to make it work best moreso than Shanahan.

So are you also suggesting that McNabb made Reid? According to Mike Greenberg, Reid's a HOF coach.

Again, no. This isn't about McNabb, per se. Its about RG III and Shanahan and the fit. But Mcnabb is a multi-pro bowler, winning playoff record, and all that stuff.

maybe its better to look at it like this:

A good chef (coach) will make a better tasting steak when his ingredients are good to start with. We all know Elway was a filet mignon. And its likely that McNabb was at least a ribeye.

Put a good chef and a filet or ribeye together and both sides (chef and the steak) are going to come out better than if they were alone or with inferior cooks or meat.

With Shanahan, he has burnt every piece of meat he has worked with except the filet mignon. He burned the bottom round (Beck), the T-bone (Grossman), and on and on. So, for RG III's sake; he better hope he's a cut of filet mignon.

 

[rizzler]

With Shanahan, he has burnt every piece of meat he has worked with except the filet mignon. He burned the bottom round (Beck), the T-bone (Grossman), and on and on. So, for RG III's sake; he better hope he's a cut of filet mignon.

Grossman was a T-Bone???That's a damn good cut of steak, son. Grossman was no more than a flank steak.

 

[Ksquared]

People used to refer to Shanahan as some type of genius but, minus one HOF and arguable top 10 QB to ever play in the history of the league, and Shanahan teams have looked lost and listless and haven't accomplished anything.

On the other hand, Donovan McNabb, who several here are calling a failure, is a 6 time pro-bowler, made the Eagles relevant after a decade of mediocrity, went to the playoffs 7 times and has a winning record in the playoffs (look it up and take a look for yourself how many NFL teams have winning playoff records...you might be surprised). How many playoff games have the Eagles won since McNabb left? His level of "fail" exceeds about 85% of the players in the league.

So Elway made Shanahan and McNabb made Reid?

Didn't say that. Just pointing out that sometimes being an NFL coach is kind of like being a craftsman. Whether its stone, metal, wood, etc, the quality of your product sometimes is largely dependent on the quality of the stock you start with.I don't think its any great secret that an all-time top 10 franchise QB could go a LONG way in making those around him (players AND coaches) look better.

So, take away that one great player, after the fact, and go back to the original thought: Is this going to be a good fit? Is Shanahan going to set the player up and will it be successful? well, there remains a lot to be seen because unless RG III is an elite player, then Shanahan hasn't shown the ability to do that. And of course, if he turns out to be an all time great, i guess it doesn't matter; you or I could be the coach and look decent under that scenario, huh?

But I guess the real difference is we are talking about a situation where people talk as if Shanahan is down in his mad scientist lab mixing up stuff and he is going to use RG III as this catalyst that is going to be awesome. But has he ever really shown that he is a "molder of men"? That HE (the coach) is the difference-maker? No, not really. He has shown to be pretty good when he is handed the best materials, but that's about it.

A guy like Bill parcells, on the other hand, has made a career out of reviving down trodden franchises. He has shown that he can take whatever material, put it in a pot, and make it nice. Shanahan hasn't. And that is kind of the point McNabb is making. He is saying that shanahan hasn't shown an ability to do ALL the things (have flexibility, make things gel, etc).

So, to me, this is a situation where if you told me almost any QB was going to a Parcells team, or a coach like the Packers or ravens coach, I would be more inclined to think that those guys would know how to make it work best moreso than Shanahan.

So are you also suggesting that McNabb made Reid? According to Mike Greenberg, Reid's a HOF coach.

Again, no. This isn't about McNabb, per se. Its about RG III and Shanahan and the fit. But Mcnabb is a multi-pro bowler, winning playoff record, and all that stuff.

maybe its better to look at it like this:

A good chef (coach) will make a better tasting steak when his ingredients are good to start with. We all know Elway was a filet mignon. And its likely that McNabb was at least a ribeye.

Put a good chef and a filet or ribeye together and both sides (chef and the steak) are going to come out better than if they were alone or with inferior cooks or meat.

With Shanahan, he has burnt every piece of meat he has worked with except the filet mignon. He burned the bottom round (Beck), the T-bone (Grossman), and on and on. So, for RG III's sake; he better hope he's a cut of filet mignon.

Again, Cutler down? How about Plummer or Griese. Did all of this lead to wins, not necessarily. But followers of Shanahan have complained about the inability to get a quality defense the last 10 seasons or so, the offense has not been the problem.

 

[thayman]

People used to refer to Shanahan as some type of genius but, minus one HOF and arguable top 10 QB to ever play in the history of the league, and Shanahan teams have looked lost and listless and haven't accomplished anything.

On the other hand, Donovan McNabb, who several here are calling a failure, is a 6 time pro-bowler, made the Eagles relevant after a decade of mediocrity, went to the playoffs 7 times and has a winning record in the playoffs (look it up and take a look for yourself how many NFL teams have winning playoff records...you might be surprised). How many playoff games have the Eagles won since McNabb left? His level of "fail" exceeds about 85% of the players in the league.

So Elway made Shanahan and McNabb made Reid?

Didn't say that. Just pointing out that sometimes being an NFL coach is kind of like being a craftsman. Whether its stone, metal, wood, etc, the quality of your product sometimes is largely dependent on the quality of the stock you start with.I don't think its any great secret that an all-time top 10 franchise QB could go a LONG way in making those around him (players AND coaches) look better.

So, take away that one great player, after the fact, and go back to the original thought: Is this going to be a good fit? Is Shanahan going to set the player up and will it be successful? well, there remains a lot to be seen because unless RG III is an elite player, then Shanahan hasn't shown the ability to do that. And of course, if he turns out to be an all time great, i guess it doesn't matter; you or I could be the coach and look decent under that scenario, huh?

But I guess the real difference is we are talking about a situation where people talk as if Shanahan is down in his mad scientist lab mixing up stuff and he is going to use RG III as this catalyst that is going to be awesome. But has he ever really shown that he is a "molder of men"? That HE (the coach) is the difference-maker? No, not really. He has shown to be pretty good when he is handed the best materials, but that's about it.

A guy like Bill parcells, on the other hand, has made a career out of reviving down trodden franchises. He has shown that he can take whatever material, put it in a pot, and make it nice. Shanahan hasn't. And that is kind of the point McNabb is making. He is saying that shanahan hasn't shown an ability to do ALL the things (have flexibility, make things gel, etc).

So, to me, this is a situation where if you told me almost any QB was going to a Parcells team, or a coach like the Packers or ravens coach, I would be more inclined to think that those guys would know how to make it work best moreso than Shanahan.

So are you also suggesting that McNabb made Reid? According to Mike Greenberg, Reid's a HOF coach.

Again, no. This isn't about McNabb, per se. Its about RG III and Shanahan and the fit. But Mcnabb is a multi-pro bowler, winning playoff record, and all that stuff.

maybe its better to look at it like this:

A good chef (coach) will make a better tasting steak when his ingredients are good to start with. We all know Elway was a filet mignon. And its likely that McNabb was at least a ribeye.

Put a good chef and a filet or ribeye together and both sides (chef and the steak) are going to come out better than if they were alone or with inferior cooks or meat.

With Shanahan, he has burnt every piece of meat he has worked with except the filet mignon. He burned the bottom round (Beck), the T-bone (Grossman), and on and on. So, for RG III's sake; he better hope he's a cut of filet mignon.

Again, Cutler down? How about Plummer or Griese. Did all of this lead to wins, not necessarily. But followers of Shanahan have complained about the inability to get a quality defense the last 10 seasons or so, the offense has not been the problem.

Shanny's big criticisim has always been his defensive evaluation not offense.

 

[GroveDiesel]

He's right.

I think he is right as well.

Either of you care to explain? Is RGIII overrated or is it the system/personnel in Wash?

Nothing to do with RGIII, just that if Shanahan doesn't mold the offense around his skills he could screw him up. He's not a pocket passer yet and trying to make him one from the beginning would be huge mistake. Shanahan has hardly been a QB-friendly coach but maybe he'll change it up for him.

Um, what? Griffin very much IS a pocket passer. Just because he's black and athletic doesn't mean he's not a pocket passer. Way to be racist dude. When Greg Cossel broke down tape, he said that Griffin consistently threw from the pocket. Much more than Luck did actually.

 

[rizzler]

He's right.

I think he is right as well.

Either of you care to explain? Is RGIII overrated or is it the system/personnel in Wash?

Nothing to do with RGIII, just that if Shanahan doesn't mold the offense around his skills he could screw him up. He's not a pocket passer yet and trying to make him one from the beginning would be huge mistake. Shanahan has hardly been a QB-friendly coach but maybe he'll change it up for him.

Um, what? Griffin very much IS a pocket passer. Just because he's black and athletic doesn't mean he's not a pocket passer. Way to be racist dude. When Greg Cossel broke down tape, he said that Griffin consistently threw from the pocket. Much more than Luck did actually.

WOW... How did I even miss that criticism?

Probably because I skip over pure hate postings.

Well, congrats Diesel on calling out one hell of a #### criticism. At least ATTEMPT to be accurate when you're gonna knock a player.

 

[cstu]

He's right.

I think he is right as well.

Either of you care to explain? Is RGIII overrated or is it the system/personnel in Wash?

Nothing to do with RGIII, just that if Shanahan doesn't mold the offense around his skills he could screw him up. He's not a pocket passer yet and trying to make him one from the beginning would be huge mistake. Shanahan has hardly been a QB-friendly coach but maybe he'll change it up for him.

Um, what? Griffin very much IS a pocket passer. Just because he's black and athletic doesn't mean he's not a pocket passer. Way to be racist dude. When Greg Cossel broke down tape, he said that Griffin consistently threw from the pocket. Much more than Luck did actually.

 

[cstu]

He's right.

I think he is right as well.

Either of you care to explain? Is RGIII overrated or is it the system/personnel in Wash?

Nothing to do with RGIII, just that if Shanahan doesn't mold the offense around his skills he could screw him up. He's not a pocket passer yet and trying to make him one from the beginning would be huge mistake. Shanahan has hardly been a QB-friendly coach but maybe he'll change it up for him.

Um, what? Griffin very much IS a pocket passer. Just because he's black and athletic doesn't mean he's not a pocket passer. Way to be racist dude. When Greg Cossel broke down tape, he said that Griffin consistently threw from the pocket. Much more than Luck did actually.

WOW... How did I even miss that criticism?

Probably because I skip over pure hate postings.

Well, congrats Diesel on calling out one hell of a #### criticism. At least ATTEMPT to be accurate when you're gonna knock a player.

What is wrong with you guys? Any criticism of RG3 and you people freak out. What I meant about 'pocket passer' is that he doesn't have a lot of experience with taking the ball under center and dropping back to pass. Shanahan shouldn't force him into the traditional QB role until he's ready for it. Letting him work out of the shotgun and make plays happen will help him be successful early.

 

[Hang 10]

It's easy to knock Shanahan for never winning anything without Elway but what coach has replaced a HOF QB and still got back on top? Anyone?

 

[shredhead]

He's right.

I think he is right as well.

Either of you care to explain? Is RGIII overrated or is it the system/personnel in Wash?

Shanahan did pretty well with another mobile QB. I think his offense doesn't really get going until there is a strong running game, but if they can find that, I don't see why RGIII can't do well in that O. Remember, Cam was going to be a huge bust. Comments about him not being mature enough or being able to handle complicated offenses, etc. I'm optimistic that RGIII will do very well in terms of fantasy. 40-50 yards rushing and a handful of rushing TD's can push him from top 15 into the top 10 over less mobile QB's.

I assume you're talking about Elway, but by the time Shanahan coached him he had already developed as a passer.

Steve Young was pretty mobile too.

Young did have his best years with Shanahan as OC but he was 31. He hasn't had much success developing young QB's but he has done well with veteran ones. It will be interesting to see how RG3's career plays out.

Oh really? Elway was drafted in 1983. Shanahan was QB coach and then Offensive Coordinator for the Broncos between 1984 and 1987. The Broncos went to 2 superbowls with a young quarterback in those years. Yep, I guess you're right.

 

[fatness]

This is my point about Cam. Up until Cam started lighting it up, most felt like the PAnthers took him because they had to and were saddled with a guy that was a project. Many thought he would be a huge bust.

This is quite true.

 

[fatness]

With Shanahan, he has burnt every piece of meat he has worked with except the filet mignon. He burned the bottom round (Beck), the T-bone (Grossman), and on and on. So, for RG III's sake; he better hope he's a cut of filet mignon.

Grossman was a T-Bone???That's a damn good cut of steak, son. Grossman was no more than a flank steak.

Grossman was a wandering cow nobody wanted.

 

[GroveDiesel]

He's right.

I think he is right as well.

Either of you care to explain? Is RGIII overrated or is it the system/personnel in Wash?

Nothing to do with RGIII, just that if Shanahan doesn't mold the offense around his skills he could screw him up. He's not a pocket passer yet and trying to make him one from the beginning would be huge mistake. Shanahan has hardly been a QB-friendly coach but maybe he'll change it up for him.

Um, what? Griffin very much IS a pocket passer. Just because he's black and athletic doesn't mean he's not a pocket passer. Way to be racist dude. When Greg Cossel broke down tape, he said that Griffin consistently threw from the pocket. Much more than Luck did actually.

WOW... How did I even miss that criticism?

Probably because I skip over pure hate postings.

Well, congrats Diesel on calling out one hell of a #### criticism. At least ATTEMPT to be accurate when you're gonna knock a player.

What is wrong with you guys? Any criticism of RG3 and you people freak out. What I meant about 'pocket passer' is that he doesn't have a lot of experience with taking the ball under center and dropping back to pass. Shanahan shouldn't force him into the traditional QB role until he's ready for it. Letting him work out of the shotgun and make plays happen will help him be successful early.

STOP TRYING TO HIDE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE A RACIST! Now that I can agree with. But that's a whole lot different than saying he's not a pocket passer. And honestly, I don't see that as even being a big deal anymore. Lots of teams are putting their QBs in the shotgun a huge percentage of the time. It's a passing league now and the faster you can setup your passers and protect your QB, the more successful your offense is going to be. The Patriots' offense has been almost totally out of the shotgun for a few years now, and I doubt a single person would say that he's not a pocket passer or somehow limited as a traditional QB.

 

[southeastjerome]

I agree with CSTU and I'm the Scientist.People used to refer to Shanahan as some type of genius but, minus one HOF and arguable top 10 QB to ever play in the history of the league, and Shanahan teams have looked lost and listless and haven't accomplished anything.On the other hand, Donovan McNabb, who several here are calling a failure, is a 6 time pro-bowler, made the Eagles relevant after a decade of mediocrity, went to the playoffs 7 times and has a winning record in the playoffs (look it up and take a look for yourself how many NFL teams have winning playoff records...you might be surprised). How many playoff games have the Eagles won since McNabb left? His level of "fail" exceeds about 85% of the players in the league.For RG III, I believe there has to be a beeter organizational vision and coaching both for him to have real success. I don't get that vibe from the Skins.

Ok, so since Shanahan didn't turn a washed up McNabb, then Grossman and Beck into pro bowl QB's, that means RG3 will fail despite being one of the best QB prospects to come out in the last decade or so. Got it.

 

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Posted by Michael David Smith on March 30, 2012, 2:52 PM EDTGetty ImagesFormer Eagles, Redskins and Vikings quarterback Donovan McNabb made another appearance on ESPN First Take on Friday, and just as he did on Thursday by questioning whether Robert Griffin III can fit with the Redskins, McNabb made a comment that will surely raise eyebrows.This time, McNabb proclaimed himself the most unfairly maligned quarterback in NFL history, saying that no other passer has ever had to deal with the same stuff that he has.It started with McNabb criticizing Tim Tebow and First Take provocateur Skip Bayless stepping in to say Tebow receives more criticism than he deserves.“Tim Tebow,” Bayless said, “is the most unfairly, over-criticized quarterback in the history of this league.”With that, McNabb interjected, “Negative — I am.”“I am,” McNabb continued. “Nobody has been criticized as much as I have.”McNabb has faced plenty of criticism, although whether that criticism is unfair is a matter of opinion. It was surely unfair when McNabb was booed on draft day in 1998, and Rush Limbaugh once offered a dumb assessment of McNabb, but for the most part the amount of criticism he has received has mirrored the quality of his play. When McNabb played well, he was rewarded with cheers, Pro Bowls and endorsements.And when McNabb played poorly, he was booed, traded and finally released. There’s nothing unfair about that.

Rumors are going around that ESPN was excited about the buzz that McNabb's comments have generated on First Take, and have asked him to come back for the next show. But then McNabb started to throw up.

 

[Ghost Rider]

It's easy to knock Shanahan for never winning anything without Elway but what coach has replaced a HOF QB and still got back on top? Anyone?

Shanahan has more playoff success and a better overall winning percentage without Elway than Belichick does without Tom Brady.

 

[fatness]

Interview with Casey Rabach

"There’s definitely some strong egos in the NFL, and there [were] three of the strongest egos right there in Redskins Park. So it’s hard to fit all that together, and build a cohesion in such a short time. But definitely wish it would have went the other way.”

On the sour coach-quarterback relationship: “I think they asked Donovan to do a lot of things that he wasn’t comfortable with, and it was never a give-and-take kind of relationship. It was Mike and Kyle’s way, and only that way. I think Donovan wanted to change a few things to his strengths, and do things he knew he was good at. Mike and Kyle had one way of doing it, and Donovan had another way of doing it, and they just butted heads, and nobody was gonna give.”

 

[Wadsworth]

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Former NFL quarterback Jake Plummer, who once played for Mike Shanahan, agrees with Donovan McNabb regarding RG3′s fit in D.C.

 

[rizzler]

^^^

McNabb AND Plummer?

Sorry Griff... but when two of the greatest QBs of the last few years say you're going down.... you're going down.

 

[GroveDiesel]

^^^

McNabb AND Plummer?

Sorry Griff... but when two of the greatest QBs of the last few years say you're going down.... you're going down.

Seriously. And both guys have serious axes to grind with Shannahan too. The truth is that Griffin has little in common with either of those guys. He's pinpoint accurate, something neither of those guys could ever dreamed of being.

 

[nxmehta]

I agree with CSTU and I'm the Scientist.People used to refer to Shanahan as some type of genius but, minus one HOF and arguable top 10 QB to ever play in the history of the league, and Shanahan teams have looked lost and listless and haven't accomplished anything.On the other hand, Donovan McNabb, who several here are calling a failure, is a 6 time pro-bowler, made the Eagles relevant after a decade of mediocrity, went to the playoffs 7 times and has a winning record in the playoffs (look it up and take a look for yourself how many NFL teams have winning playoff records...you might be surprised). How many playoff games have the Eagles won since McNabb left? His level of "fail" exceeds about 85% of the players in the league.For RG III, I believe there has to be a beeter organizational vision and coaching both for him to have real success. I don't get that vibe from the Skins.

McNabb in general is an idiot, but I'd rather have him in his prime than Shanahan. I don't trust Shanahan or the Skins, so I'd be worried about RG3's development there. That said, RG3 will be about 2x better than McNabb ever was.

 

[Shutout]

I agree with CSTU and I'm the Scientist.People used to refer to Shanahan as some type of genius but, minus one HOF and arguable top 10 QB to ever play in the history of the league, and Shanahan teams have looked lost and listless and haven't accomplished anything.On the other hand, Donovan McNabb, who several here are calling a failure, is a 6 time pro-bowler, made the Eagles relevant after a decade of mediocrity, went to the playoffs 7 times and has a winning record in the playoffs (look it up and take a look for yourself how many NFL teams have winning playoff records...you might be surprised). How many playoff games have the Eagles won since McNabb left? His level of "fail" exceeds about 85% of the players in the league.For RG III, I believe there has to be a beeter organizational vision and coaching both for him to have real success. I don't get that vibe from the Skins.

Ok, so since Shanahan didn't turn a washed up McNabb, then Grossman and Beck into pro bowl QB's, that means RG3 will fail despite being one of the best QB prospects to come out in the last decade or so. Got it.

I don't think you "got it". I didn't say RG III would fail as a QB. I said I agreed that it may not be a good fit. Got it?

 

[Shutout]

With Shanahan, he has burnt every piece of meat he has worked with except the filet mignon. He burned the bottom round (Beck), the T-bone (Grossman), and on and on. So, for RG III's sake; he better hope he's a cut of filet mignon.

Grossman was a T-Bone???That's a damn good cut of steak, son. Grossman was no more than a flank steak.

While I question your palet's ability to discern good taste is steak, I whole-heartedly agree with your Arian Foster support.

 

[southeastjerome]

I agree with CSTU and I'm the Scientist.People used to refer to Shanahan as some type of genius but, minus one HOF and arguable top 10 QB to ever play in the history of the league, and Shanahan teams have looked lost and listless and haven't accomplished anything.On the other hand, Donovan McNabb, who several here are calling a failure, is a 6 time pro-bowler, made the Eagles relevant after a decade of mediocrity, went to the playoffs 7 times and has a winning record in the playoffs (look it up and take a look for yourself how many NFL teams have winning playoff records...you might be surprised). How many playoff games have the Eagles won since McNabb left? His level of "fail" exceeds about 85% of the players in the league.For RG III, I believe there has to be a beeter organizational vision and coaching both for him to have real success. I don't get that vibe from the Skins.

Ok, so since Shanahan didn't turn a washed up McNabb, then Grossman and Beck into pro bowl QB's, that means RG3 will fail despite being one of the best QB prospects to come out in the last decade or so. Got it.

I don't think you "got it". I didn't say RG III would fail as a QB. I said I agreed that it may not be a good fit. Got it?

Ok. RG3 won't have "real success" because Shanahan failed to turn a washed up McNabb, then Grossman and Beck into top level QB's. Yes, got it. I just don't see it as fair at all to judge one player based on a coach's experience with other players. Especially considering none of the above mentioned are near the QB prospect that RG3 is.

 

[Johnny Ice]

He's right.

I think he is right as well.

Either of you care to explain? Is RGIII overrated or is it the system/personnel in Wash?

Think about why you feel he will succeed in that offense. I disagree with you on all of those points. As for the system/personnel in Wash....I don't feel like they actually have much of a system. Every year they overpay for low tier free agents or over the hill players. You can't sign a bunch of #### and expect a Super Bowl. You build from the draft, you build with a system and players that have played in that system. Washington will never be good with Snyder involved as he is.

This is the typical Redskins slander every year with no facts to back it up. Who has Allen grossly overpaid or what splashy over the hill signing have we had after Cerrato.

 

[southeastjerome]

He's right.

I think he is right as well.

Either of you care to explain? Is RGIII overrated or is it the system/personnel in Wash?

Think about why you feel he will succeed in that offense. I disagree with you on all of those points. As for the system/personnel in Wash....I don't feel like they actually have much of a system. Every year they overpay for low tier free agents or over the hill players. You can't sign a bunch of #### and expect a Super Bowl. You build from the draft, you build with a system and players that have played in that system. Washington will never be good with Snyder involved as he is.

This is the typical Redskins slander every year with no facts to back it up. Who has Allen grossly overpaid or what splashy over the hill signing have we had after Cerrato.

It wasn't a signing, but McNabb was Cerrato-like. Luckily, that's really been it. Last year trading back and back to accumulate more picks was the anti Cerrato.

 

[cstu]

 

[lod01]

Nice dig. Good solid reading.

 

[fatness]

Interview with Casey Rabach

On the sour coach-quarterback relationship: “I think they asked Donovan to do a lot of things that he wasn’t comfortable with, and it was never a give-and-take kind of relationship. It was Mike and Kyle’s way, and only that way. I think Donovan wanted to change a few things to his strengths, and do things he knew he was good at. Mike and Kyle had one way of doing it, and Donovan had another way of doing it, and they just butted heads, and nobody was gonna give.”

We'll be happy to watch Shanahan drive away in less than 3 weeks.

 

[CentralPA]

In all fairness. I'd like to see what RG3 does once fully healthy. But for this year McNabb prognostication skills are slightly better.

 

[Shutout]

People used to refer to Shanahan as some type of genius but, minus one HOF and arguable top 10 QB to ever play in the history of the league, and Shanahan teams have looked lost and listless and haven't accomplished anything. On the other hand, Donovan McNabb, who several here are calling a failure, is a 6 time pro-bowler, made the Eagles relevant after a decade of mediocrity, went to the playoffs 7 times and has a winning record in the playoffs (look it up and take a look for yourself how many NFL teams have winning playoff records...you might be surprised). How many playoff games have the Eagles won since McNabb left? His level of "fail" exceeds about 85% of the players in the league.

So Elway made Shanahan and McNabb made Reid?

So, a year and a half later, McNabb is still right.

 

[cstu]

In all fairness. I'd like to see what RG3 does once fully healthy. But for this year McNabb prognostication skills are slightly better.

Note that McNabb didn't say RG3's career would be a failure, only under Shanahan.