Donovan McNabb (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

McNabb put up a lot of fantasy points yesterday. I'm trying to decide if he is QB1 material again. I would like to know what the sharks project he will be for the rest of the year: Will McNabb continue to put up prolific numbers with his new offense? Or was yesterday an unusual circumstance? What's your opinion?

 

[Jason Wood]

Anytime both QBs throw for 400+ yards, it's "unusual circumstances." That said, the fact he was able to put up those kinds of numbers in spite of a castoff of characters at WR is a) a testament to the fact he's got QB1 value this year when healthy and b) nothing we Eagles fans haven't seen him do a million times.

 

[thehornet]

McNabb put up a lot of fantasy points yesterday. I'm trying to decide if he is QB1 material again. I would like to know what the sharks project he will be for the rest of the year: will McNabb continue to put up prolific numbers with his new offense? Or was yesterday an unusual circumstance? What's your opinion?

Tim, in my opinion, yeah. I posted about this somewhere preseason. Everyone was hyping Kolb so hard and I said the real talent just left the building and not to be surprised when McNabb goes for over 4200 and 24+ scores in Washington with very few weapons. I think everyone came back with your run of the mill rebuttal. "He isnt in the west coast offense anymore", "he's old", "he has no weapons"

 

[TankRizzo]

I was never a fan of McNabb's game until the year with Kevin Kurtis.

Now, after having endured nearly a decade of anemic offensive football, I LOVE the guy!

 

[TommyGilmore]

You use the phrase "continue to be prolific" as if he has done it for more than 1 game. He hasn't.

 

[renesauz]

McNabb's been consistantly ranked right on the QB1 bubble all off-season.

 

[Kiddnets]

I drafted him to be in a QBBC with Eli - so happy with him thus far that I dealt Eli and am comfortable just going with McNabb....if they ever added a legit WR Like V Jax he would really light it up.

 

[DLR]

Like you said the "knocks" against him in the off/preseason were - age, new system, weapons, and he's not that good to begin with.

I think the only valid issues, which you could be rightfully concerned about, were system.

He's older, sure, but hes not that old. You may not like him or think he was very good. I'm not claiming that he is an elite like Brees or Manning but McNabb (when healthy which should be the other biggest concern) has produced well in his career. Especially on a ppg basis, not a stay healthy and win total season points basis. Many of those years when he was putting up good numbers gets us to issue 3, weapons. Sans the TO year and the recent emergence of Desean his weapons were Westbrook and garbage. I almost feel like Moss, Galloway, Cooley can be considered an upgrade to some of the WR Philly trotted out for McNabb in the past. At the very least it is a push.

If he could put up productive numbers with Westy plus garbage I think he can do ok with what he has now. The first 2 games aren't really a good example of what he can do. I think there are too many factors to get a good idea of what we are dealing with yet, but I think there is more good that we have seen than bad considering new system, ankle injury, etc.. I wouldn't get too hyped up on the Texan game though because I think their pass D is rotten.

I just went back and looked at his stats a little bit. I'm not a McNabb or Eagles historian so I’m guessing a little bit here. It looks like he officially took over as the starter in 2000, maybe lat 99, but I’m just gonna pull his stats from 2000 onward. His totals over 10 years then look like 31,925 passing yards and 208 touchdowns through 136 games. I don’t want to skew stats too greatly but it looked like he missed at least a game or more in 6 seasons we means he probably went out early with an injury in 6 of those 136 games played. If we knock that down to 133 (to be accurate on time played) it looks like he averages 240 yards per game and 1.6 TDs per game throughout his career. He also averaged about 22 yards rushing and .2 rushing TDs a game.

So his average game breakdown would be about 240 Passing – 22 rushing – and 1.8 TDs (rushing/passing combined). We score high for QB’s in my league (6 point passing TD) so I combined them. In my league that averages out to about 22.4 points per game. Not too bad.

I’m happy that some people slept on McNabb in my league to hit on more en vogue up and comers like Kolb, Henne, Stafford, Flacco, Eli, etc… as their QB1. It left McNabb for me as a very solid backup to Schaub for little cost, and maybe even trade bait later in the year.

It seems like if he can get the new system and offense down (looks like he’s on his way) and can stay healthy (that’s more troubling) I think he can start putting up those career average ppg numbers this year once he gets a bit more comfortable in a few games from now.

 

[SSOG]

I've got him as a top-10 QB in my rankings... and my rankings are for dynasty, which should tell you all you need to know. I think Donovan McNabb is one of the most talented QBs in the league, and I think that Mike Shanahan is the best offensive mind in the NFL today.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Don't know where he'll finish, but with no running game in sight I see more big numbers next week vs. STL

 

[DLR]

I've got him as a top-10 QB in my rankings... and my rankings are for dynasty, which should tell you all you need to know. I think Donovan McNabb is one of the most talented QBs in the league, and I think that Mike Shanahan is the best offensive mind in the NFL today.

Its funny that you mention dynasty. Our league is 2 keepers not full dynasty but I may have a decision on my hands next year depending on how he performs. I kept Schaub for a 5th and Arian Foster for a 16th this year, but value-wise I may have to think about him at 11 next year instead of Schaub. If he catches on at Washington or moves to another good situation, Vikings maybe?

 

[Nightly Mistake]

I've owned McNabb for seven years on one of my dynasty teams.

His PPG numbers are almost always borderline elite; it's the fact that he loses games to injury every year that's the killer, and he'll also have the occasional stinker more than many QB's in his rankings peer group. In other words, he'll play 12 games, have 9-10 very good our outstanding outings, a 2-3 below average to awful, and of course lose the last 4 to injury.

 

[SSOG]

I've owned McNabb for seven years on one of my dynasty teams. His PPG numbers are almost always borderline elite; it's the fact that he loses games to injury every year that's the killer, and he'll also have the occasional stinker more than many QB's in his rankings peer group. In other words, he'll play 12 games, have 9-10 very good our outstanding outings, a 2-3 below average to awful, and of course lose the last 4 to injury.

Fun fact: Peyton Manning has never finished as the #1 QB in the NFL on a PPG basis. Donovan McNabb has done it three times (2002, 2005, 2006). McNabb has been top-10 in PPG for 9 of the past 10 seasons.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I've owned McNabb for seven years on one of my dynasty teams.

His PPG numbers are almost always borderline elite; it's the fact that he loses games to injury every year that's the killer, and he'll also have the occasional stinker more than many QB's in his rankings peer group. In other words, he'll play 12 games, have 9-10 very good our outstanding outings, a 2-3 below average to awful, and of course lose the last 4 to injury.

Fun fact: Peyton Manning has never finished as the #1 QB in the NFL on a PPG basis.

What about 2004? http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2004/fantasy.htm

 

[gheemony]

I have loved getting him as the second half of my QBBC in more than one league. He's perfect in QBBC because of the high PPG and the ability to "sub" him out when he has a tough matchup and when/if he gets hurt.

I think he'll be undervalued for the rest of his career. He's a good buy low.

 

[Vicktimized]

I've owned McNabb for seven years on one of my dynasty teams.

His PPG numbers are almost always borderline elite; it's the fact that he loses games to injury every year that's the killer, and he'll also have the occasional stinker more than many QB's in his rankings peer group. In other words, he'll play 12 games, have 9-10 very good our outstanding outings, a 2-3 below average to awful, and of course lose the last 4 to injury.

Fun fact: Peyton Manning has never finished as the #1 QB in the NFL on a PPG basis.

What about 2004? http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2004/fantasy.htm

I think even that year, he finished second to Culpepper, who scored a ton of TDs and ran for extra yards. Maybe not in every system though.

 

[SSOG]

I've owned McNabb for seven years on one of my dynasty teams.

His PPG numbers are almost always borderline elite; it's the fact that he loses games to injury every year that's the killer, and he'll also have the occasional stinker more than many QB's in his rankings peer group. In other words, he'll play 12 games, have 9-10 very good our outstanding outings, a 2-3 below average to awful, and of course lose the last 4 to injury.

Fun fact: Peyton Manning has never finished as the #1 QB in the NFL on a PPG basis.

What about 2004? http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2004/fantasy.htm

I think PFR changed their default scoring system at one point, because they used to have Culpepper listed as #1 that season. Manning was tops in 6-per-TD leagues, while C'Pep led the way in 4-per-TD leagues.

 

[thecardiackid]

I've got him as a top-10 QB in my rankings... and my rankings are for dynasty, which should tell you all you need to know. I think Donovan McNabb is one of the most talented QBs in the league, and I think that Mike Shanahan is the best offensive mind in the NFL today.

though, i don't know about #10 overall in dynasty.rat face has done a lot w/ several qbs who have way less talent than mcnabb. anyone know if a shanny coached qb has ever finished lower than #12ish? iirc, he got both griese and plummer to the pro bowl.i took mcnabb as qb2 (behind rodgers), and looking to move him now for upgrades elsewhere.

 

[SSOG]

I've got him as a top-10 QB in my rankings... and my rankings are for dynasty, which should tell you all you need to know. I think Donovan McNabb is one of the most talented QBs in the league, and I think that Mike Shanahan is the best offensive mind in the NFL today.

though, i don't know about #10 overall in dynasty.rat face has done a lot w/ several qbs who have way less talent than mcnabb. anyone know if a shanny coached qb has ever finished lower than #12ish? iirc, he got both griese and plummer to the pro bowl.i took mcnabb as qb2 (behind rodgers), and looking to move him now for upgrades elsewhere.

Some Shanny QBs have had sub-top-12 finishes, but Shanahan QBs finish in the top 12 at a rate three times higher than the league average, and every single QB Shanahan has ever worked with (Elway, Young, Brister, Griese, Frerotte, Plummer, Cutler) has had his best season as a pro under Mike Shanahan.

 

[CaptainHook]

McNabb put up a lot of fantasy points yesterday. I'm trying to decide if he is QB1 material again. I would like to know what the sharks project he will be for the rest of the year: will McNabb continue to put up prolific numbers with his new offense? Or was yesterday an unusual circumstance? What's your opinion?

Tim, in my opinion, yeah. I posted about this somewhere preseason. Everyone was hyping Kolb so hard and I said the real talent just left the building and not to be surprised when McNabb goes for over 4200 and 24+ scores in Washington with very few weapons. I think everyone came back with your run of the mill rebuttal. "He isnt in the west coast offense anymore", "he's old", "he has no weapons"

washington is utilizing his talents way better than the west coast offense does. the west coast offense is literally exactly what you would design and force on him if you wanted him to fail.

 

[delusional]

McNabb put up a lot of fantasy points yesterday. I'm trying to decide if he is QB1 material again. I would like to know what the sharks project he will be for the rest of the year: will McNabb continue to put up prolific numbers with his new offense? Or was yesterday an unusual circumstance? What's your opinion?

Tim, in my opinion, yeah. I posted about this somewhere preseason. Everyone was hyping Kolb so hard and I said the real talent just left the building and not to be surprised when McNabb goes for over 4200 and 24+ scores in Washington with very few weapons. I think everyone came back with your run of the mill rebuttal. "He isnt in the west coast offense anymore", "he's old", "he has no weapons"

washington is utilizing his talents way better than the west coast offense does. the west coast offense is literally exactly what you would design and force on him if you wanted him to fail.

half of philly been #####ing about this for a few years

 

[thehornet]

cannot wait for week 4 matchup.