This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Anderson sure looked ineffective converting that 3rd-and-2.I can see Shanny's thought process. "Well, Anderson just converted third and short, which was our #1 priority from the running game this season... but I suppose he did it in a disappointing fashion. Yeah, he's an underperformer, let's put in Dayne!"
Why do you think Anderson came out after converting the 3rd and 2? What was Shanahan thinking, in your opinion?Please do not say "carry count" if you can help it, and please use as many caps as possible. TIA.
For the record, are you saying that 15 carries for 49 yards and a 3.3 YPC is preforming to the expectations of Shanny?
CARRY COUNT.Did I do this right?
This strikes me as more likely.
BTW, this was funny...good job. I hope you aren't taking any of this too seriously. You seem a little intense on this discussion.
No, losing fumbles is not acceptable, period.edit for terrible spelling and grammar here.
no but a fumble in the closing moments of the 4th are more detrimental than in the 2nd quarter
Okay, so we can pretty much toss out the "flak jacket fumble" theory. I actually find the "CARRY COUNT" argument laughable. This is the NFL, and not Pop Warner FB, right?That leads me to thinking that the offense was in a huge rut, wasn't moving meaningfully all day after the first drive, and Shanahan was looking for a spark with a RB whom he thought was very capable.Not to make a parallel comparison, because the actors involved are very different, but this reminds me a lot of the Gary/Portis situation in '02, where Shanahan didn't know if he could trust Portis going into the regular season so he fell back on his less talented but more reliable back - kind of a comfort level decision - until the new guy proved he could handle the load.
This is clearly another possibility. I'm sure you know I was just suggesting that "flak jacket fumble" theory was more likely than "carry count" theory, btw.
What makes me seem intense, exactly?Sorry, I mean WHAT, EXACTLY, MAKES ME SEEM INTENSE?!?!!!!?!!!1!!1!!!1!one!
I appreciate your conviction, but what grave error do you think we're going to make? I don't believe anyone is saying we should cut (or even trade) Anderson. I think the only potential mistake is in NOT picking up Dayne. Even if there's only a slight chance of him becoming the #1 back, why not add him to the roster as insurance?Do you think it's a grave error for owners to sit Anderson on the bench until he has a productive game? That's probably what I'll do.
I've seen several people advocate just that strategy. One person cut Mike Anderson instead of Ricky Williams.Also, picking up Dayne off of waivers in most leagues is one thing (smart move
), but trading for Dayne is quite another, as is grabbing Dayne in a league with a limited number of transactions. If you're going to trade for Dayne, don't overestimate his value. I see him as very comparable to a Derrick Blaylock at the moment. If your league has a limited number of transactions, I'd sit back and wait a couple of weeks before making a move and potentially wasting a transaction, unless you're really hurting and you don't think he'll last.
I'm curious where everyone gets this idea that Shanahan has this huge ego to stoke. Could someone please give me an example of Shanahan doing something, ANYTHING, simply to please his ego?If Shanny's Ego is such a big deal, why did he cut Maurice Clarett and call drafting him a mistake? The safer move would have been to stash Clarett on the practice squad and cut him in a year or so. He certainly would get far less criticism for it, and his ego wouldn't suffer such a blow. But he didn't do that, now did he? Because he's not concerned with stroking his ego, he's concerned with doing what gives his football team the best chance of winning.
Dumping Deltha O'NealDrafting Clarett in rd 3Cutting Mauck & keeping BVP as Plummer's backup (and only other) QB on the rosterDrafting Willie Middlebrooks & then wasting a roster spot on him for -what - 4 years?Not re-signing Bert BerrySigning Jerry Rice and wasting time & a roster spot on him.Not admitting that he has been a huge failure as a GMI could think of a ton more given time.
He admitted that his first round pick at CB was an utter failure. I don't see how this classifies as an ego stroke.
Parcells said he would have taken him in the fourth, so this is just like reaching a bit on a player in fantasy because you like him and know he won't fall to your next pick.The ego stroke move would be NOT admitting that it was a mistake afterwards.
I know you're the founding member of the Matt Mauck fan club, but how is keeping one 7th round QB over another 7th round QB an ego stroke? And how is only keeping 2 QBs on the roster an ego stroke? Shanahan has gone that 2-QB-only route for 3 straight seasons now, and you aren't calling the other two times he did it an ego stroke. To me, it just looks like a gamble (get an extra roster spot, but sacrifice depth at QB). I make similar gambles in fantasy football. For instance, in a Yahoo league, I have 6 backup RBs and 0 backup QBs. That's not me stroking me ego, that's just me deciding the best distribution of my roster spaces.
So... wait, holding on to Middlebrooks was an ego stroke, but letting go of O'Neal was also an ego stroke? From the sound of it, Shanahan making bad decisions in the draft is an ego stroke. He reaches on Clarett, ego stroke. He drafts O'Neal and dumps him, ego stroke. He drafts Middlebrooks and keeps him, ego stroke.
Why would he resign Bert Berry when he had Reggie Hayward on the roster and ready to shine for 1/5th the cost?
This one... possibly. I look at it as getting some veteran depth to a receiving corps that, before last season, had a combined six receptions outside of its two main guys. And it didn't work out, and Rice moved on. And he picked up David Terrell. Is that an ego stroke, too?
Has he been a huge failure as a GM? Denver has more players that it drafted prior to 2001 still on its roster than any other team in the league, so it looks like he's had more long-term successes in the draft than any other GM in the league (and he's been able to manage the cap to keep them around, unlike the Ravens and Titans). He's had ridiculous success drafting RBs and LBs. He's had no success with CBs and little success with QBs or DEs. His free agency record is spotted, producing such busts as Daryl Gardner as well as such steals as Eddie McCaffrey, Rod Smith, Lenny Walls, Kelly Herndon, Marco Coleman, Donnie Spragan, and Reuben Droughns. Has he been the best GM in the league? Absolutely not. I would contend that he's been in the top 50%, though, which is a far cry from "huge failure".Besides, he's not even the GM. Ted Sundquist has been the GM since 2001. And, coincidentally, Denver's GM record was REMARKABLY better prior to 2001 than it has been since 2001. Prior to 2001 when he was the GM, he landed Trevor Pryce, Al Wilson, Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, etc. etc. etc., with Dale Carter being his only notable whiff. Most of the memorable Denver failures have come since Sundquist took over... so are you so sure it's Shanny that's the problem?
I'll give you the time. For now, it just looks like every move that didn't work out you are automatically labeling as an ego stroke. Well, Bellichick drafted 7 consecutive players in the 2001 draft that are no longer in the NFL. Was that an ego stroke? He picked up David Terrell and then released him (and took a bigger cap hit than Denver did when it released Clarett), was that an ego stroke?Again, if Shanahan were they type to stroke his ego, why would he try to switch O'Neal to WR? Why would he cut Clarett and call the selection a mistake? How do those two moves stroke his ego in any way?
