Don't sleep on Donte Moncrief: Draft Day steal (1 Viewer)

[thekidd2009]

Anyone have the courage to start Moncrief if Wayne sits?

Absolutely. I would put him in the flex over Kenny Stills and Martavis Bryant in a heartbeat under those circumstances.

I'm desperate for a flex and am debating between Moncrief, stills, and bryant. I'm leaning Moncrief if Wayne sits.

 

[ninogaggi]

IF Wayne sits, I'm leaning towards starting Moncrief over JMatthews at the Flex this week.

 

[need2know]

I am starting him regardless of waynes status

 

[zamboni]

I am starting him regardless of waynes status

Could work out, but still a risk if Wayne plays. Somehow they still seem to get Wayne 8 targets a game or so.

 

[SCT]

The NFL really isn't loaded with 220 pound WRs who can run 4.40 and jump out of the gym. There are lots of "good" athletes, but that's another level and those guys don't grow on trees. There's almost nobody out there who combines the speed and the size of Moncrief, so he's in rare company.

I don't think Moncrief is one of the best WRs in this class in terms of intangibles and WR skills. He drops too many balls, isn't particularly elusive, and just doesn't seem to have the "it" factor for working in tight spaces and making things happen. However, he's not as bad as people make him out to be. People talk about him like he's some total workout warrior with zero football skills. I don't think that's very accurate. He wasn't a dominant player in college, but he wasn't bad either. 900+ yards each of his final two seasons in something like 13 games. While he isn't consistent, he has at least flashed the ability to do a lot of the "skill" things that a WR needs to do. I've seen him make leaping catches over defenders, catch the ball away from his frame, run crisp routes to get separation, and contort his body to catch poorly thrown balls. He might not be an A+ from a skill standpoint, but he's not an F either. More like a B or B-. When you combine that with his off the charts physical qualities, it will probably be enough to achieve considerable success at the next level.

I said it earlier in this thread, but I doubt that he has the football skill or athletic skill to become a jack-of-all-trades #1 like VJax, Demaryius, or Marshall. However, I think he compares pretty favorably to guys like Torrey Smith and Mike Wallace who have flawed football skills and even flawed physical skills, but have still been able to make a pretty significant impact because they have physical traits that are hard for defenders to cope with. I think Moncrief might even be better than both of those guys in terms of his overall athleticism/skill combo. So while he doesn't warrant the Demaryius comparisons, he could still end up giving you a nice return on your investment for the late 1st-early 2nd round rookie pick he's likely to cost.

Nice post.He can't work all over the field, a deep threat only. He doesn't look interested in contact to me. He dances around when it's time to block and he seems to curl up before any hit or just run out of bounds. Maybe that's not much of a knock for a WR, but it turned me off. At best he's Robert Meachem in his early Saints days. Another bigger WR that plays small. His athleticism is worth being in the league. I think he's going to be a let down in the long-run. Maybe he'll be Josh Gordon/Cordarrelle Patterson-like where I underrate his athleticism and he's catching 80 yard slants for a TD every week while I'm here saying 'I don't get it' like a idiot.

Sounds like you two are describing Kelvin Benjamin but with less opportunity so far.

 

[packer_junkie]

Bump Fleener like crazy if wayne sits

 

[ryno1980]

Bump Fleener like crazy if wayne sits

Or Dwayne Allen, Moncrief and I guess Fleener. Why Fleener like crazy?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Bump Fleener like crazy if wayne sits

Or Dwayne Allen, Moncrief and I guess Fleener. Why Fleener like crazy?

he's probably thinking fleener will inherit wayne's slot targets, but they'll move hilton to the slot maybe the third of the game they're in 3 wide, leaving moncrief as the only legit downfield guy.

the bulk of the game where they're in 12 it'd just be a wayne for moncrief swap on the outside without much else changing.

I think his snaps could bump 50% if wayne's out, and his targets could double.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Reggie Wayne, WR: -5.0

Breakdown: Wayne’s performance on Sunday was about as bad as you will see from a wide receiver. Wayne dropped three passes, which was the first time for him in the eight seasons of PFF data. In all, he managed just one catch for 5 yards on eight targets.

Signature Stat: Prior to Sunday’s game, Wayne had dropped five passes on 59 catchable passes for an 8.47% Drop Rate. After dropping three of four catchable passes yesterday, he now has a 12.70% Drop Rate, fifth-highest among wide receivers with at least 50 catchable targets.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/08/refo-colts-browns-week-14/

 

[NajehHejan]

My ESPN league has news for Moncrief saying that Wayne's torn biceps injury has thrust him into a starting role. I know there is a good chance of this (better than 50%) but they claim it like it's 100%. Just found that sort of irresponsible since it's not official yet.

 

[NajehHejan]

From an Indy Star write up I found, sorry can't link via phone. Would be dumb to not play Moncrief and trot a hurt Wayne out there due to a record.

Pagano was noncommittal on whether he'd continue to play Wayne, but he does have one potential option. Wayne is scheduled to play in his 209th game when the Colts meet the Houston Texans on Sunday. It would put him ahead of Peyton Manning for the most games played of any Colt in franchise history. The Colts would then have two regular-season games remaining. Perhaps Pagano would consider sitting Wayne at that point, though he wouldn't entertain that possibility on Monday.

 

[need2know]

Even if Wayne still starts I would bet moncrief starts to out target wayne. It's pretty obvious hilton, moncrief, fleener, allen are all better options at this point

 

[packer_junkie]

I say bump Fleener cause its pretty obvious he has Luck's trust. Hence the combined 28 targets for him & TY on sunday. I know Moncreif will get a bump in snaps, and probably targets-- but I stand by my opinion that Fleener is the biggest beneficiary of this.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

How many targets did fleener get Vs Pittsburg when Wayne was out and Moncrief got 12 targets?

 

[packer_junkie]

Moncreif sure has done a lot since than

 

[shadyridr]

What makes people think Wayne is out?

 

[Braktastic]

What makes people think Wayne is out?

Apart from the fact that he's been stinking up the joint, this:

Reggie Wayne - WR - Colts

Coach Chuck Pagano was noncommittal Monday when asked if the Colts might shut down Reggie Wayne (torn triceps) for the season.

It sounds like there's a real chance Wayne is shut down, at least for awhile. If so, playing time would open for impressive rookie Donte Moncrief, whose physical 27-yard catch-and-run in the fourth quarter Sunday set up T.Y. Hilton's game-winning one-yard TD. Despite seeing 22 targets over the past three weeks, Wayne has managed receiving lines of 3-10-0, 4-31-0, and 1-5-0.

Source: Stephen Holder on Twitter Dec 8 - 4:14 PM

 

[shadyridr]

What makes people think Wayne is out?

Apart from the fact that he's been stinking up the joint, this:

Reggie Wayne - WR - Colts

Coach Chuck Pagano was noncommittal Monday when asked if the Colts might shut down Reggie Wayne (torn triceps) for the season.

It sounds like there's a real chance Wayne is shut down, at least for awhile. If so, playing time would open for impressive rookie Donte Moncrief, whose physical 27-yard catch-and-run in the fourth quarter Sunday set up T.Y. Hilton's game-winning one-yard TD. Despite seeing 22 targets over the past three weeks, Wayne has managed receiving lines of 3-10-0, 4-31-0, and 1-5-0.

Source: Stephen Holder on Twitter Dec 8 - 4:14 PM

Thanks, I thought it was all wild speculation.

 

[Gvindy]

From an Indy Star write up I found, sorry can't link via phone. Would be dumb to not play Moncrief and trot a hurt Wayne out there due to a record.

Pagano was noncommittal on whether he'd continue to play Wayne, but he does have one potential option. Wayne is scheduled to play in his 209th game when the Colts meet the Houston Texans on Sunday. It would put him ahead of Peyton Manning for the most games played of any Colt in franchise history. The Colts would then have two regular-season games remaining. Perhaps Pagano would consider sitting Wayne at that point, though he wouldn't entertain that possibility on Monday.

I could see a courtesy start for Wayne, and then Moncrief outsnaps him, maybe by alot. This is risky, but Houston has been so generous to WR and I'm going up against Luck. He's in...

 

[LittlePhatty]

What makes people think Wayne is out?

Apart from the fact that he's been stinking up the joint, this:

Reggie Wayne - WR - Colts

Coach Chuck Pagano was noncommittal Monday when asked if the Colts might shut down Reggie Wayne (torn triceps) for the season.

It sounds like there's a real chance Wayne is shut down, at least for awhile. If so, playing time would open for impressive rookie Donte Moncrief, whose physical 27-yard catch-and-run in the fourth quarter Sunday set up T.Y. Hilton's game-winning one-yard TD. Despite seeing 22 targets over the past three weeks, Wayne has managed receiving lines of 3-10-0, 4-31-0, and 1-5-0.

Source: Stephen Holder on Twitter Dec 8 - 4:14 PM

Thanks, I thought it was all wild speculation.

It is speculation at this point, but with the torn muscle I'd say it is well-founded speculation.

 

[Braktastic]

I could see a courtesy start for Wayne, and then Moncrief outsnaps him, maybe by a lot.

Yeah, a courtesy start is the worst-case scenario. I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be rolling the dice on Moncrief in the flex in that situation.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

If Wayne is out, I think you have to consider Moncrief's one start as a baseline for expectations, though that might be his ceiling. I have consider rolling with him over my current WR#3 Charles Johnson, but that might be a tough call.

 

[LordHusker]

If Wayne is out, I think you have to consider Moncrief's one start as a baseline for expectations, though that might be his ceiling. I have consider rolling with him over my current WR#3 Charles Johnson, but that might be a tough call.

It doesn't look like Wayne has any intention of sitting out. He's saying that the drops had nothing to do with the triceps injury and were a result of lack of concentration.

Ugh.

I lost Brandon Marshall and need to pick up a WR2 off the wire (and will be settling for a WR3). I was hoping that Moncrief might be a sneaky steal, but it's looking way too risky. Argh. Pierre Garcon, here I come.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Moncreif sure has done a lot since than

Wayne missed that game and played since than

 

[Jack White]

From an Indy Star write up I found, sorry can't link via phone. Would be dumb to not play Moncrief and trot a hurt Wayne out there due to a record.

Pagano was noncommittal on whether he'd continue to play Wayne, but he does have one potential option. Wayne is scheduled to play in his 209th game when the Colts meet the Houston Texans on Sunday. It would put him ahead of Peyton Manning for the most games played of any Colt in franchise history. The Colts would then have two regular-season games remaining. Perhaps Pagano would consider sitting Wayne at that point, though he wouldn't entertain that possibility on Monday.

I could see a courtesy start for Wayne, and then Moncrief outsnaps him, maybe by alot. This is risky, but Houston has been so generous to WR and I'm going up against Luck. He's in...

You're starting him because your opponent has Andrew Luck?

 

[Gvindy]

From an Indy Star write up I found, sorry can't link via phone. Would be dumb to not play Moncrief and trot a hurt Wayne out there due to a record.

Pagano was noncommittal on whether he'd continue to play Wayne, but he does have one potential option. Wayne is scheduled to play in his 209th game when the Colts meet the Houston Texans on Sunday. It would put him ahead of Peyton Manning for the most games played of any Colt in franchise history. The Colts would then have two regular-season games remaining. Perhaps Pagano would consider sitting Wayne at that point, though he wouldn't entertain that possibility on Monday.

I could see a courtesy start for Wayne, and then Moncrief outsnaps him, maybe by alot. This is risky, but Houston has been so generous to WR and I'm going up against Luck. He's in...

You're starting him because your opponent has Andrew Luck?

That was my thought process, if Wayne sat, maybe offset some of the damage and demoralize my opponent haha. Also I like the upside and the matchups. I realize this is a disputed strategy, but I like it.

 

[McGarnicle]

Starting him with confidence.

 

[Jack White]

From an Indy Star write up I found, sorry can't link via phone. Would be dumb to not play Moncrief and trot a hurt Wayne out there due to a record.

Pagano was noncommittal on whether he'd continue to play Wayne, but he does have one potential option. Wayne is scheduled to play in his 209th game when the Colts meet the Houston Texans on Sunday. It would put him ahead of Peyton Manning for the most games played of any Colt in franchise history. The Colts would then have two regular-season games remaining. Perhaps Pagano would consider sitting Wayne at that point, though he wouldn't entertain that possibility on Monday.

I could see a courtesy start for Wayne, and then Moncrief outsnaps him, maybe by alot. This is risky, but Houston has been so generous to WR and I'm going up against Luck. He's in...

You're starting him because your opponent has Andrew Luck?

That was my thought process, if Wayne sat, maybe offset some of the damage and demoralize my opponent haha. Also I like the upside and the matchups. I realize this is a disputed strategy, but I like it.

Ha, OK, as long as you concede it's an emotional decision rather than a logical one, I'll allow it.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

With TEs doing it tough against Hou D does that mean less targets for them? TY will go off again if his history against Hou is anything to go by. Will DM be next inline?

 

[urbanhack]

How many snaps is this guy playing this week?

 

[BeTheMatch]

How many snaps is this guy playing this week?

37.

 

[packer_junkie]

42

 

[pizzatyme]

A lot. The only thing holding him back is JJ Watt. I think it's quite likely the Colts employ 2 TEs to help on Watt which means TY and Wayne get the snaps.

 

[need2know]

A lot. The only thing holding him back is JJ Watt. I think it's quite likely the Colts employ 2 TEs to help on Watt which means TY and Wayne get the snaps.

Unless wayne finally starts losing snaps to moncrief

 

[pizzatyme]

A lot. The only thing holding him back is JJ Watt. I think it's quite likely the Colts employ 2 TEs to help on Watt which means TY and Wayne get the snaps.

Unless wayne finally starts losing snaps to moncrief

I would not bank on that. The Colts are loyal to a fault. Read: Trent Richardson and Hakeen Nicks.

 

[need2know]

A lot. The only thing holding him back is JJ Watt. I think it's quite likely the Colts employ 2 TEs to help on Watt which means TY and Wayne get the snaps.

Unless wayne finally starts losing snaps to moncrief

I would not bank on that. The Colts are loyal to a fault. Read: Trent Richardson and Hakeen Nicks.

Do you feel like moncrief is worth a start this week?

 

[zamboni]

A lot. The only thing holding him back is JJ Watt. I think it's quite likely the Colts employ 2 TEs to help on Watt which means TY and Wayne get the snaps.

That's a very good point about keeping the extra blocker.

 

[pizzatyme]

A lot. The only thing holding him back is JJ Watt. I think it's quite likely the Colts employ 2 TEs to help on Watt which means TY and Wayne get the snaps.

Unless wayne finally starts losing snaps to moncrief

I would not bank on that. The Colts are loyal to a fault. Read: Trent Richardson and Hakeen Nicks.

Do you feel like moncrief is worth a start this week?

I think it depends on your situation. It's a risk/reward play. I'd be using him as my last flex at best. I could see 5/75/0.5 TDs Good luck!

 

[zftcg]

A lot. The only thing holding him back is JJ Watt. I think it's quite likely the Colts employ 2 TEs to help on Watt which means TY and Wayne get the snaps.

Unless wayne finally starts losing snaps to moncrief

I would not bank on that. The Colts are loyal to a fault. Read: Trent Richardson and Hakeen Nicks.

Do you feel like moncrief is worth a start this week?

I think it depends on your situation. It's a risk/reward play. I'd be using him as my last flex at best. I could see 5/75/0.5 TDs Good luck!

I could not see any scenario in which Moncreif scores 0.5 TDs.

 

[Gvindy]

A lot. The only thing holding him back is JJ Watt. I think it's quite likely the Colts employ 2 TEs to help on Watt which means TY and Wayne get the snaps.

Unless wayne finally starts losing snaps to moncrief

I would not bank on that. The Colts are loyal to a fault. Read: Trent Richardson and Hakeen Nicks.

Do you feel like moncrief is worth a start this week?

I think it depends on your situation. It's a risk/reward play. I'd be using him as my last flex at best. I could see 5/75/0.5 TDs Good luck!

I could not see any scenario in which Moncreif scores 0.5 TDs.

Field-goal perhaps I think he played some kicker in college

 

[BobbyLayne]

Tremendous athlete, clear #3 on Indy and the future #2. Hilton has a history of abusing HOU, and I could see Moncrief making some big plays while the Texans are focused on T.Y.

The snaps are there and I'm sure the targets will follow. But I don't think he has enough rapport with Luck to start him with confidence but my other options are Gordon & Hopkins. He's def a great flex play this week because of the big play potential.

 

[Jack White]

I started him last week in place of the injured DeSean, but it sounds like he'll be back this week.

I could also take a gamble and bench Wallace.

 

[just_want_2_win]

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttttttttttttttttt! Goose egg.

 

[jerry jones]

Ugh...probably just cost me my spot in the Super Bowl....zilch??

 

[Captain Crunk]

Ugh...probably just cost me my spot in the Super Bowl....zilch??

Me too. After the Julio news it was either Moncrief or Douglas. My opponent has Luck so I chose Moncreif....ahh!

Luck kept feeding Wayne and Nicks when I was watching.

Too bad the TD he had was called back on a penalty.

 

[Faust]

Good grief, Moncrief!

Rotoworld:

Donte Moncrief caught zero passes on four targets in Sunday's 17-10 Week 15 win over the Texans.

It was an extremely frustrating day for Andrew Luck, Moncrief and the entire Colts pass game. Luck was not sharp, generating just two scoring drives on 14 possessions. Moncrief was the No. 3 wideout ahead of Hakeem Nicks, but was not on the field when Nicks caught a 26-yard TD pass in the second quarter. Moncrief also had Danieal Manning beat deep for a bomb, but Luck overthrew him by a half-yard. Later, Moncrief had a 48-yard TD off a deflection called back by a holding call drawn by J.J. Watt. The physically freakish rookie's usage was reasonable in this one, but showed today he needs Reggie Wayne to really be a safe fantasy play. There are just too many mouths to feed in Indy.

Dec 14 - 4:11 PM

 

[Jack White]

Ugh...probably just cost me my spot in the Super Bowl....zilch??

Me too. After the Julio news it was either Moncrief or Douglas. My opponent has Luck so I chose Moncreif....ahh!

Luck kept feeding Wayne and Nicks when I was watching.

Too bad the TD he had was called back on a penalty.

Please learn a lesson from this: who your opponent's QB is has ZERO to do with who you start!

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Ugh...probably just cost me my spot in the Super Bowl....zilch??

Me too. After the Julio news it was either Moncrief or Douglas. My opponent has Luck so I chose Moncreif....ahh! Luck kept feeding Wayne and Nicks when I was watching.

Too bad the TD he had was called back on a penalty.

Have you not paid attention to what Douglas has done every single time Julio or White is out?

 

[just_want_2_win]

Ugh...probably just cost me my spot in the Super Bowl....zilch??

Me too. After the Julio news it was either Moncrief or Douglas. My opponent has Luck so I chose Moncreif....ahh!

Luck kept feeding Wayne and Nicks when I was watching.

Too bad the TD he had was called back on a penalty.

I don't understand giving the nod to DM when HD always plays well when in for JJ and had a better matchup. DM gets so few targets. Who cares if Luck was the opponent's QB -- I don't like the offset theory unless it's a very high volume WR likely to wrap up a huge amount of the passing game. DM is hardly that.

 

[Captain Crunk]

Ugh...probably just cost me my spot in the Super Bowl....zilch??

Me too. After the Julio news it was either Moncrief or Douglas. My opponent has Luck so I chose Moncreif....ahh!

Luck kept feeding Wayne and Nicks when I was watching.

Too bad the TD he had was called back on a penalty.

I don't understand giving the nod to DM when HD always plays well when in for JJ and had a better matchup. DM gets so few targets. Who cares if Luck was the opponent's QB -- I don't like the offset theory unless it's a very high volume WR likely to wrap up a huge amount of the passing game. DM is hardly that.

Well, with DM I was favored by 20 points to win. However, a few of my studs have under-performed and now I am in a dog fight. It is dead even by projections....so there is still a chance.