Doug Martin 2014 (3 Viewers)

[SameSongNDance]

I put him on par with Lacy in the 5-6 range. 2 stud WRs. Improved TE play with Sefarian-Jenkins (who can actually block). Competent QB play. Adding Mankins gives them an elite run blocking OG.

Fair enough. I'm personally projection ~310 touches and ~8 TDs but for him to sneak into the top 12 in PPR for me I would have to be extremely generous with his YPC and YPR rates. I think if he falls to the 3rd it's great value but I'm not exactly expecting him to outproduce any top 12 pick (this obviously isn't taking into account the inevitable injuries).

 

[Beerguzzler]

Those touches seem low to me. He won't run it 300 times, but I wouldn't be surprised with 290 carries and 45-50 receptions. Hard to predict then TDs till I really see that offense play. 8 seems reasonable.

 

[steveski]

Damnit...now I'm seriously considering taking him at 1.12/2.01 assuming all the RB's except Gio/Bell/Foster are gone. I like Martin more than all of those guys this year now that Sims is out for a while and an improved offensive line. Gio, Bell and Foster are all have major question marks by their name.

Taking him at the turn is a reach given his ADP, but if I like him more than the RB's available and I like the WR's available at the 3/4 turn, I might have to do it.

Plus, I owe it to him for giving me a championship a couple years ago.

 

[VaTerp]

Doug Martin is a guy where I need to try to put my personal bias aside in ranking him. I thought he was terribly overvalued last year and lucked into being right. And for some reason I just have a very negative association when I think of him.

But I've been slowly moving him up my board as my drafts approach next week with the biggest concern being a poor O-line. The addition on Mankins is a huge upgrade and Martin inches closer to top 10 RB range now IMO.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Those touches seem low to me. He won't run it 300 times, but I wouldn't be surprised with 290 carries and 45-50 receptions. Hard to predict then TDs till I really see that offense play. 8 seems reasonable.

Yeah, were not very far off at all. I actually just double checked my projections and I have him at 288 @ 4.5YPC (288/1224/8) and 40 @9YPR (40/320/0). It makes him RB13 on my list. Without Sims stealing 3rd down work my reception projections may indeed be a bit on the low side.

 

[Beerguzzler]

The TD's are what could vault him Into the top 10 IMO. With the additions they have made, they could very well improve their TD potential dramatically.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Damnit...now I'm seriously considering taking him at 1.12/2.01 assuming all the RB's except Gio/Bell/Foster are gone. I like Martin more than all of those guys this year now that Sims is out for a while and an improved offensive line. Gio, Bell and Foster are all have major question marks by their name.

Taking him at the turn is a reach given his ADP, but if I like him more than the RB's available and I like the WR's available at the 3/4 turn, I might have to do it.

Plus, I owe it to him for giving me a championship a couple years ago.

I think the turn is a very reasonable spot for him. Agree with liking him over all 3 RBs you listed.

 

[Shawn]

Choo chooo!!!

 

[Ilov80s]

All aboard

Doug Martin is a guy where I need to try to put my personal bias aside in ranking him. I thought he was terribly overvalued last year and lucked into being right. And for some reason I just have a very negative association when I think of him.

But I've been slowly moving him up my board as my drafts approach next week with the biggest concern being a poor O-line. The addition on Mankins is a huge upgrade and Martin inches closer to top 10 RB range now IMO.

I felt the same way. I hated him last year, thought it was way way to high. This year, I just pretty much ignored him and accepted all the talk about RBBC. In my draft he fell pretty far and the guy that took him seemed very reluctant about it. When I saw Simms hurt and the offense look pretty good this weekend, I was able to totally rob the owner who took him and had buyers remorse. Now they add a high quality guard, I think Martin could shoot back to elite fantasy status. All aboard!

 

[Leonidas]

I'm regretting not taking him in the late second this year. I got used to mocking him early 3rd but with the injury and Lovie's comment with the word Bellcow his price shot up and I was too slow to react. Should have known better. Only got him in 1/5 leagues (3.03).

I wouldn't mind taking him in the early 2nd right now. Not at all.

 

[TartanLion]

I'm interested now after the upgrade to the O line.

Already drafted and light at RB whilst being stacked At WR. The Martin owner has Charles and is light at WR.

I drafted him in the first round last year which was a big bust obviously, but all the omens are pointing up the way this year. Always hard removing bias after being stung but I'm sorely tempted to make a hard play for him

 

[Judge Smails]

Went up half a round overnight with the Mankins signing.

 

[Phenomena]

He's still the same guy that had a pedestrian rookie year and horrible sophemore year outside of two games. He's basically Richardson if TRich had a 50-point game on his resume. I don't understand how he's worth a 2nd rounder at all. I might be willing to gamble on him since he's the bellcow back, but not until the mid 3rd.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

what rb do you take ahead of him 18-30?

 

[Bojang0301]

He's still the same guy that had a pedestrian rookie year and horrible sophemore year outside of two games. He's basically Richardson if TRich had a 50-point game on his resume. I don't understand how he's worth a 2nd rounder at all. I might be willing to gamble on him since he's the bellcow back, but not until the mid 3rd.

The hell you say? He was the #2 overall back in 2012. Pedestrian? Sure buddy.

 

[Ghost Rider]

He's still the same guy that had a pedestrian rookie year and horrible sophemore year outside of two games. He's basically Richardson if TRich had a 50-point game on his resume. I don't understand how he's worth a 2nd rounder at all. I might be willing to gamble on him since he's the bellcow back, but not until the mid 3rd.

Yeah, a guy who had 1,929 combined yards, 49 catches and 12 touchdowns had a pedestrian rookie year.

FYI, Martin had 100 years combined in 10 of his 16 games in 2012, so he was not just a two-game wonder.

 

[Limp Ditka]

He's still the same guy that had a pedestrian rookie year and horrible sophemore year outside of two games. He's basically Richardson if TRich had a 50-point game on his resume. I don't understand how he's worth a 2nd rounder at all. I might be willing to gamble on him since he's the bellcow back, but not until the mid 3rd.

In 2012 he scored TDs in 7 different games. He also topped 100 total yards 10 games and had 98 in another.

That's not a horrible season by any stretch of the imagination

 

[FreeBaGeL]

He's still the same guy that had a pedestrian rookie year outside of two games. He's basically Richardson if TRich had a 50-point game on his resume. I don't understand how he's worth a 2nd rounder at all. I might be willing to gamble on him since he's the bellcow back, but not until the mid 3rd.

Can we do this the other way too? Because he was actually pretty decent last year (in his "horrible year") if you take out his two worst games, which were really bad.

Fun fact for a guy that wasn't any good outside of two games. Martin eclipsed 100 total yards in 11 of his 16 games as a rookie. He also scored in two of the five that he didn't eclipse 100 yards in, so he only had 3 games all year that he didn't either reach 100 yards or score a TD, which is pretty dang impressive. In Jamaal Charles' huge season last year he did the same thing (failed to reach 100 yards or score a TD) the same three times. LeSean McCoy did it three times. Adrian Peterson did it five times.

With the injuries to his backups, Martin is a pretty good deal. Tampa was a mess early last year, and Martin suffered for it like everyone else. A few games after he went out with the injury Tampa started getting things in order and everything started clicking, including the running game (people are quick to point out the backups' success but forget about their failures before Tampa figured things out). If Martin hadn't gotten hurt last year he would have been the benefit of the Tampa resurgence instead of James/Rainey and he'd be a 1st round pick right now.

He was a solid value play because of that until RBBC entered the picture. With that now gone, he returns to that value play. If Tampa can stay in order the way they finished last year then Martin could represent massive value as a 3rd rounder.

 

[Phenomena]

I see this is the Doug Martin butt-buddy thread. Enjoy wasting your second round picks this year.

 

[cvnpoka]

this guy falls to the mid and late 3rd often enough. seems crazy. dont see any reason to burn rb picks in the 2nd when this guy is around for your next pick. hes a 300+ touch lock with big play ability playing for a coach that likes to run.

 

[steveski]

I see this is the Doug Martin butt-buddy thread. Enjoy wasting your second round picks this year.

You got burned last year because he got hurt and that's your reasoning for not drafting him this year, right? It's funny how easy it is to spot the people that are terrible at fantasy on these boards. If you don't like a guy because he burned you in the past then at least make up something to defend yourself. Say something to back yourself up.

Every player thread on here goes through the same crap. The regulars that are high on the player stay in there and randoms come in and say something stupid and then the regulars post stats to debunk the stupid statement. Then repeat.

Martin finished #2 overall in his rookie year and last year he started off "slow" behind a bad offensive line. This year his offensive line is improved and even if he played at the same pace as he did last year before getting hurt, he's worth a 2nd round pick. His poor start to last year was:

1) 64 yards 1 TD 2 catches

2) 144 yards

3) 108 yards 2 catches

4) 61 yards 3 catches

5) 91 yards

Is that really terrible? Sure it's disappointing if it's your early 1st round pick. He's going in the 2nd round!

 

[Leonidas]

He's still the same guy that had a pedestrian rookie year and horrible sophemore year outside of two games. He's basically Richardson if TRich had a 50-point game on his resume. I don't understand how he's worth a 2nd rounder at all. I might be willing to gamble on him since he's the bellcow back, but not until the mid 3rd.

Pedestrian rookie year?

I want some of what you're smoking

FWIW I got burned bad by Martin last year, I took him in several leagues, between #2 and #4 overall.

I wish I drafted him in more leagues this year. My drafts were this past weekend and I only got him in 1/5.

I believe in him and his ability, and I have since his rookie season. He gets a bum rap for last season, he was not that bad, even on a dumpster fire of a team early on, and I am positive that barring the injury he would have been an every week fantasy starter.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I see this is the Doug Martin butt-buddy thread. Enjoy wasting your second round picks this year.

 

[Ilov80s]

4.6 YPC vs 3.6 YPC

 

[Ghost Rider]

I see this is the Doug Martin butt-buddy thread. Enjoy wasting your second round picks this year.

What a fantastic contributor you are to the Shark Pool.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I see this is the Doug Martin butt-buddy thread. Enjoy wasting your second round picks this year.

What a fantastic contributor you are to the Shark Pool.

Don't you love when they make it easy to block them?

 

[packer_junkie]

If they sign incognito to man the other guard spot, look out! Dougie gonna be the steal of 2014!!

 

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I see this is the Doug Martin butt-buddy thread. Enjoy wasting your second round picks this year.

Some hard hitting analysis here.. Color me shocked this guy has under a year under his belt here.

 

[Ilov80s]

If they sign incognito to man the other guard spot, look out! Dougie gonna be the steal of 2014!!

I think is already a huge steal. He is going in the 3rd round. This a 3 down RB with the GL job that is in his absolute prime and has a career average of 14.5 standard fantasy points per game.

 

[IHEARTFF]

I think is already a huge steal. He is going in the 3rd round. This a 3 down RB with the GL job that is in his absolute prime and has a career average of 14.5 standard fantasy points per game.

yep

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

I want to post before the season starts that I wholeheartedly agree with Tefertiller on Doug Martin. The addition of Logan Mankins will solidify the interior of the line and help the Bucs pound the football which Lovie Smith lovie to do and they also have a strong defense that will give them opportunities to cash in. Lovie Smith is a huge upgrade over Schiano. I have firm faith in Martin this season and think it is absolute grand larceny picking him up in the middle of the 3rd which I witnessed last night in the FFPC. You are guaranteed barring injury of about 320-350 touches depending on reception totals. He was a stud his rookie season and had monster games that reminded everyone of the good old days and that's what you are bringing with Doug Martin. Unleash the cannons and grab me a sword baby because I'm all in pre-flop here and I smell a tale of the high seas.

His rookie year he racked up 368 touches including almost 50 receptions with about 1,900+ total yards and 12 TDs to boot, this guy has stud written all over him so pick him up. Need I mention book end 6 foot 5 WRs that are complete mismatches and are going to terrorize the hell out of opposing DBs, doubtful they can peer into the backfield, so you can see that Martin will not be facing 7 and 8 man fronts for long. Those two are going to be a nightmare and they are going to stretch the field, that 99.9% means that running lanes will be open in the 2nd half of these ball games and Martin will be breaking off 30 yd scampers to the house, it's gonna happen. One last thing if this matter but I feel strongly the Bucs are a playoff team, they will be fighting it out for a wildcard spot with 1-2 teams in the NFC North is my guess with Sea/SF/NO assumed in already.

You were told, weather you choose to examine it further is your call. But I did leave some reasoning as to my high expectations.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm not sure that Mankins is going to have the immediate impact on the line that people are expecting. Adding a player to an offensive line seems to rarely make a tangible difference in the short-term even when that player is a top 3 lineman in his prime. I'm not counting on an aging and declining vet to do better than that.

That said, for the reasons mentioned up the page a little ways I already think Martin is a steal and I will continue to contend that had he not gotten hurt last year and been around to benefit from the Bucs finally getting things together, he would have been a 1st round pick this year.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

I'm not sure that Mankins is going to have the immediate impact on the line that people are expecting. Adding a player to an offensive line seems to rarely make a tangible difference in the short-term even when that player is a top 3 lineman in his prime. I'm not counting on an aging and declining vet to do better than that.

That said, for the reasons mentioned up the page a little ways I already think Martin is a steal and I will continue to contend that had he not gotten hurt last year and been around to benefit from the Bucs finally getting things together, he would have been a 1st round pick this year.

Agree and I believe he will be a 1st round pick in 2015.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I have one last shot to grab this mofo in my last draft tomorrow night. I was sitting at 3.04 tonight and had my cursor over his name, ready to pounce but the dude who had already drafted two RBs in the first two rounds took him at 3.03. I might have to "reach" at 2.07 tomorrow but #### it I need a piece of this!

 

[Tanner9919]

he's going to be a guy who needs volume work to produce fantasy stats..we're talking 30 carries/gm type of stuff.I doubt his ypc avg is above 3.4..

Buc start out with 2 incredibly tough games, Panthers, Rams, then two weeks later, @Steelers,@Saints, Ravens..can't get all excited about that schedule..and then there's the issue of McCown - does he play well or do teams just stack the box and dare him to throw? Will he stay healthy? who's next up , Glennon? yikes..

Bucs play Panthers week 15 - basically a fantasy point killer and a deal breaker, IMO..

Mankins is not Walter Jones.he's a decent pick up, but he isn't a great o-lineman..

for my money, I'm more interested in Ray Rice in Kubiak's offense, or Chris Johnson , than I am in a guy like Martin..and I'd rather have either of those guys..

Bucs have a bottom 5 O-line that isn't suddenly going to become a top 10 unit with Mankins onboard.

he makes them marginally better..like now they might be a bottom 7 O-line..

 

[Reegus]

he's going to be a guy who needs volume work to produce fantasy stats..we're talking 30 carries/gm type of stuff.I doubt his ypc avg is above 3.4..

Buc start out with 2 incredibly tough games, Panthers, Rams, then two weeks later, @Steelers,@Saints, Ravens..can't get all excited about that schedule..and then there's the issue of McCown - does he play well or do teams just stack the box and dare him to throw? Will he stay healthy? who's next up , Glennon? yikes..

Bucs play Panthers week 15 - basically a fantasy point killer and a deal breaker, IMO..

Mankins is not Walter Jones.he's a decent pick up, but he isn't a great o-lineman..

for my money, I'm more interested in Ray Rice in Kubiak's offense, or Chris Johnson , than I am in a guy like Martin..and I'd rather have either of those guys..

Bucs have a bottom 5 O-line that isn't suddenly going to become a top 10 unit with Mankins onboard.

he makes them marginally better..like now they might be a bottom 7 O-line..

Never go full #######

 

[Bojang0301]

he's going to be a guy who needs volume work to produce fantasy stats..we're talking 30 carries/gm type of stuff.I doubt his ypc avg is above 3.4..

Buc start out with 2 incredibly tough games, Panthers, Rams, then two weeks later, @Steelers,@Saints, Ravens..can't get all excited about that schedule..and then there's the issue of McCown - does he play well or do teams just stack the box and dare him to throw? Will he stay healthy? who's next up , Glennon? yikes..

Bucs play Panthers week 15 - basically a fantasy point killer and a deal breaker, IMO..

Mankins is not Walter Jones.he's a decent pick up, but he isn't a great o-lineman..

for my money, I'm more interested in Ray Rice in Kubiak's offense, or Chris Johnson , than I am in a guy like Martin..and I'd rather have either of those guys..

Bucs have a bottom 5 O-line that isn't suddenly going to become a top 10 unit with Mankins onboard.

he makes them marginally better..like now they might be a bottom 7 O-line..

Never go full #######

I'm a big Martin supporter and hate Ray Rice but that was a pretty thought out post.

 

[Ilov80s]

he's going to be a guy who needs volume work to produce fantasy stats..we're talking 30 carries/gm type of stuff.I doubt his ypc avg is above 3.4..

Buc start out with 2 incredibly tough games, Panthers, Rams, then two weeks later, @Steelers,@Saints, Ravens..can't get all excited about that schedule..and then there's the issue of McCown - does he play well or do teams just stack the box and dare him to throw? Will he stay healthy? who's next up , Glennon? yikes..

Bucs play Panthers week 15 - basically a fantasy point killer and a deal breaker, IMO..

Mankins is not Walter Jones.he's a decent pick up, but he isn't a great o-lineman..

for my money, I'm more interested in Ray Rice in Kubiak's offense, or Chris Johnson , than I am in a guy like Martin..and I'd rather have either of those guys..

Bucs have a bottom 5 O-line that isn't suddenly going to become a top 10 unit with Mankins onboard.

he makes them marginally better..like now they might be a bottom 7 O-line..

Never go full #######

I'm a big Martin supporter and hate Ray Rice but that was a pretty thought out post.

I agree, it's a great post.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

he's going to be a guy who needs volume work to produce fantasy stats..we're talking 30 carries/gm type of stuff.I doubt his ypc avg is above 3.4..

Buc start out with 2 incredibly tough games, Panthers, Rams, then two weeks later, @Steelers,@Saints, Ravens..can't get all excited about that schedule..and then there's the issue of McCown - does he play well or do teams just stack the box and dare him to throw? Will he stay healthy? who's next up , Glennon? yikes..

Bucs play Panthers week 15 - basically a fantasy point killer and a deal breaker, IMO..

Mankins is not Walter Jones.he's a decent pick up, but he isn't a great o-lineman..

for my money, I'm more interested in Ray Rice in Kubiak's offense, or Chris Johnson , than I am in a guy like Martin..and I'd rather have either of those guys..

Bucs have a bottom 5 O-line that isn't suddenly going to become a top 10 unit with Mankins onboard.

he makes them marginally better..like now they might be a bottom 7 O-line..

Hey, remember when going into last year Atlanta and Houston were considered tough match-ups?

When you watch Martin he just looks good. Everything else will work itself out IMO

 

[Ilov80s]

he's going to be a guy who needs volume work to produce fantasy stats..we're talking 30 carries/gm type of stuff.I doubt his ypc avg is above 3.4..

Buc start out with 2 incredibly tough games, Panthers, Rams, then two weeks later, @Steelers,@Saints, Ravens..can't get all excited about that schedule..and then there's the issue of McCown - does he play well or do teams just stack the box and dare him to throw? Will he stay healthy? who's next up , Glennon? yikes..

Bucs play Panthers week 15 - basically a fantasy point killer and a deal breaker, IMO..

Mankins is not Walter Jones.he's a decent pick up, but he isn't a great o-lineman..

for my money, I'm more interested in Ray Rice in Kubiak's offense, or Chris Johnson , than I am in a guy like Martin..and I'd rather have either of those guys..

Bucs have a bottom 5 O-line that isn't suddenly going to become a top 10 unit with Mankins onboard.

he makes them marginally better..like now they might be a bottom 7 O-line..

Hey, remember when going into last year Atlanta and Houston were considered tough match-ups?

When you watch Martin he just looks good. Everything else will work itself out IMO

I agree that projecting to week 15 is tough due to the unpredictable nature of injuries, but no doubt Martin has a tough early schedule.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

he's going to be a guy who needs volume work to produce fantasy stats..we're talking 30 carries/gm type of stuff.I doubt his ypc avg is above 3.4..

Buc start out with 2 incredibly tough games, Panthers, Rams, then two weeks later, @Steelers,@Saints, Ravens..can't get all excited about that schedule..and then there's the issue of McCown - does he play well or do teams just stack the box and dare him to throw? Will he stay healthy? who's next up , Glennon? yikes..

Bucs play Panthers week 15 - basically a fantasy point killer and a deal breaker, IMO..

Mankins is not Walter Jones.he's a decent pick up, but he isn't a great o-lineman..

for my money, I'm more interested in Ray Rice in Kubiak's offense, or Chris Johnson , than I am in a guy like Martin..and I'd rather have either of those guys..

Bucs have a bottom 5 O-line that isn't suddenly going to become a top 10 unit with Mankins onboard.

he makes them marginally better..like now they might be a bottom 7 O-line..

Hey, remember when going into last year Atlanta and Houston were considered tough match-ups?

When you watch Martin he just looks good. Everything else will work itself out IMO

I agree that projecting to week 15 is tough due to the unpredictable nature of injuries, but no doubt Martin has a tough early schedule.

The only one I agree being tough, at the moment, is in week 1. I personally don't try to project past that unless something changes. For all we know the TB OL looks awesome and the Rams lose a couple defenders for week 2, etc. It could very well end up that ATL, NO, PIT and BALT end up as favorable, who knows.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

he's going to be a guy who needs volume work to produce fantasy stats..we're talking 30 carries/gm type of stuff.I doubt his ypc avg is above 3.4..

Buc start out with 2 incredibly tough games, Panthers, Rams, then two weeks later, @Steelers,@Saints, Ravens..can't get all excited about that schedule..and then there's the issue of McCown - does he play well or do teams just stack the box and dare him to throw? Will he stay healthy? who's next up , Glennon? yikes..

Bucs play Panthers week 15 - basically a fantasy point killer and a deal breaker, IMO..

Mankins is not Walter Jones.he's a decent pick up, but he isn't a great o-lineman..

for my money, I'm more interested in Ray Rice in Kubiak's offense, or Chris Johnson , than I am in a guy like Martin..and I'd rather have either of those guys..

Bucs have a bottom 5 O-line that isn't suddenly going to become a top 10 unit with Mankins onboard.

he makes them marginally better..like now they might be a bottom 7 O-line..

So last year's 2nd, 9th, 11th, 19th, and 21st ranked run defenses. It's not ideal but I wouldn't exactly call it a gauntlet.

And that's disregarding that these things change wildly from year to year. For instance, in 2012 the 2nd, 9th, and 11th ranked run defenses were Pittsburgh, New England, and Minnesota. They finished 21st, 30th, and 16th the following year.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

he's going to be a guy who needs volume work to produce fantasy stats..we're talking 30 carries/gm type of stuff.I doubt his ypc avg is above 3.4..

Buc start out with 2 incredibly tough games, Panthers, Rams, then two weeks later, @Steelers,@Saints, Ravens..can't get all excited about that schedule..and then there's the issue of McCown - does he play well or do teams just stack the box and dare him to throw? Will he stay healthy? who's next up , Glennon? yikes..

Bucs play Panthers week 15 - basically a fantasy point killer and a deal breaker, IMO..

Mankins is not Walter Jones.he's a decent pick up, but he isn't a great o-lineman..

for my money, I'm more interested in Ray Rice in Kubiak's offense, or Chris Johnson , than I am in a guy like Martin..and I'd rather have either of those guys..

Bucs have a bottom 5 O-line that isn't suddenly going to become a top 10 unit with Mankins onboard.

he makes them marginally better..like now they might be a bottom 7 O-line..

So last year's 2nd, 9th, 11th, 19th, and 21st ranked run defenses. It's not ideal but I wouldn't exactly call it a gauntlet.

And that's disregarding that these things change wildly from year to year. For instance, in 2012 the 2nd, 9th, and 11th ranked run defenses were Pittsburgh, New England, and Minnesota. They finished 21st, 30th, and 16th the following year.

Exactley. I just bet on the talent and Martin (IMHO) looks legit to me.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The Rams D isn't a difficult matchup for a RB. Their pass rush is fierce, but they aren't that good at stopping the run.

 

[cvnpoka]

he's going to be a guy who needs volume work to produce fantasy stats..we're talking 30 carries/gm type of stuff.I doubt his ypc avg is above 3.4..

Buc start out with 2 incredibly tough games, Panthers, Rams, then two weeks later, @Steelers,@Saints, Ravens..can't get all excited about that schedule..and then there's the issue of McCown - does he play well or do teams just stack the box and dare him to throw? Will he stay healthy? who's next up , Glennon? yikes..

Bucs play Panthers week 15 - basically a fantasy point killer and a deal breaker, IMO..

Mankins is not Walter Jones.he's a decent pick up, but he isn't a great o-lineman..

for my money, I'm more interested in Ray Rice in Kubiak's offense, or Chris Johnson , than I am in a guy like Martin..and I'd rather have either of those guys..

Bucs have a bottom 5 O-line that isn't suddenly going to become a top 10 unit with Mankins onboard.

he makes them marginally better..like now they might be a bottom 7 O-line..

Never go full #######

I'm a big Martin supporter and hate Ray Rice but that was a pretty thought out post.

I agree, it's a great post.

not really. he didnt provide any evidence for his claims.

he may be right about the blocking, he may not be. they were graded very poorly last year but martin ran for 76 yards a game and the rbs combined for nearly 1500 yards. none of that matters bc the entire offensive line is different. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/11/envisioning-change-buccaneers-offense/

he may be right about the schedule, he may not be. i do know that the steelers and saints were merely average against the run. the ravens and rams were decent but certainly not roadblocks. the rams in particular i remember getting torched a few times. im not gonna bother with the rest of the schedule. im not gonna avoid a guy in the late 3rd round bc he might face a tough defense in week 15 or faces the 20th and 22nd best in rush yards against.

 

[Ilov80s]

he's going to be a guy who needs volume work to produce fantasy stats..we're talking 30 carries/gm type of stuff.I doubt his ypc avg is above 3.4..

Buc start out with 2 incredibly tough games, Panthers, Rams, then two weeks later, @Steelers,@Saints, Ravens..can't get all excited about that schedule..and then there's the issue of McCown - does he play well or do teams just stack the box and dare him to throw? Will he stay healthy? who's next up , Glennon? yikes..

Bucs play Panthers week 15 - basically a fantasy point killer and a deal breaker, IMO..

Mankins is not Walter Jones.he's a decent pick up, but he isn't a great o-lineman..

for my money, I'm more interested in Ray Rice in Kubiak's offense, or Chris Johnson , than I am in a guy like Martin..and I'd rather have either of those guys..

Bucs have a bottom 5 O-line that isn't suddenly going to become a top 10 unit with Mankins onboard.

he makes them marginally better..like now they might be a bottom 7 O-line..

Never go full #######

I'm a big Martin supporter and hate Ray Rice but that was a pretty thought out post.

I agree, it's a great post.

not really. he didnt provide any evidence for his claims.

he may be right about the blocking, he may not be. they were graded very poorly last year but martin ran for 76 yards a game and the rbs combined for nearly 1500 yards. none of that matters bc the entire offensive line is different. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/11/envisioning-change-buccaneers-offense/

he may be right about the schedule, he may not be. i do know that the steelers and saints were merely average against the run. the ravens and rams were decent but certainly not roadblocks. the rams in particular i remember getting torched a few times. im not gonna bother with the rest of the schedule. im not gonna avoid a guy in the late 3rd round bc he might face a tough defense in week 15 or faces the 20th and 22nd best in rush yards against.

I hate everything changed year to year, but he had good points. I'm a Martin owner so I am pretty optimistic, but he brought up some legit reasons for concern.

 

[EBF]

Well Dougie served up a turdburger for a couple of my teams today. Got injured to boot. Fun stuff.

Let's just hope it's not something that will linger or keep him out for a long time.

I think he briefly returned to the game after he got injured, which suggests it probably isn't a season-ending type of deal.

 

[Xue]

He has a great BMI. How is it possible he got injured?

 

[Ilov80s]

I'm not too surprised by today. The Panthers front 7 pretty much stifles every offense. Doug's schedule improves from here on out. I'll have my fingers crossed on Doug and Mankin's injuries.

 

[Zyphros]

Really rough day for me pairing Charles/Martin in a couple places. Hoping they turn it around.

To keep it about Martin, I think this is more of a tribute to how good Carolina's D actually is. Not too concerned, but concerned enough to make the questions come up.