Doug Martin as #1 pick in PPR (1 Viewer)

[fantasycurse42]

I would like to know why Doug Martin isn't getting more love as a potential #1 pick in PPR drafts. Peterson is seen as a lock at #1 (and everyone acts as if it's unthinkable that you could draft anyone else) but he only finished around 3 points per game ahead of Martin in PPR scoring, while having the second best rushing season in history, that he has little chance of repeating. People point to big games skewing Martin's stats, but he also didn't really get going until about week 5 or 6 last year, so you could say that it basically evened out over the course of the season. Plus it was his rookie year, Tampa's offensive line is improved and he has no competition for carries, so it's safe to assume he will show improvement in his second year.

We assume that Peterson will be as dominant as last year, but why couldn't it be that this year he performs closer to any number of other previous seasons when he was an excellent fantasy back, but not ranked first overall, and wasn't a consensus #1 in fantasy drafts. Also, because Peterson is such a freak, no one makes mention of his advancing age or injury history as a concern, when such things factor heavily into our assessment of other players.

Peterson is great and he looks like a very safe pick, but I think Martin has both the highest floor and highest ceiling of any back in PPR leagues this year, making him a strong candidate for the #1 pick. Why is it crazy to consider not picking Peterson at #1?

Ouch! Surprised I haven't seen this bumped earlier.

 

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Condolences to Martin owners, if his season is indeed over. Sucks royally.

Here's why fantasy football is so frustrating, and this is not to play Monday Morning QB... just stating facts. You could have made a fair case in August for Peterson, Martin or Charles to go 1.01. Even before Martin got hurt Sunday, these RBs had more points than him on the season in a PPR:

Charles

Forte

Lynch

McCoy

Moreno

Bush

F. Jackson

Peterson

Foster

Gore

Woodhead

Murray

Bernard

Bell

Sproles

C. Johnson

J. Rodgers

Morris

Mathews

Rice

P. Thomas

Like... WTF! So what have we learned here? RBs are now a dime a dozen? Wait on them like never before? Don't trust a guy with only one season under his belt? Don't trust anyone who plays for Greg Schiano? I dunno. It's a never-ending puzzle, this hobby of ours.

I actually think you CAN learn something from this.One thing I have been relatively big on is avoiding sophomore QBs. This season I broke that by going with Luck and it's worked out great (7-0)

I think the same can be said for *most* RBs

Foster... Great rookie year but what has he done since

Martin

Ridley

RichardsonChris Johnson (not much after his second season)

Maybe I'm wrong but I know I'll probably avoid sophomore RBs from now on (can mark Lacy off my board next year), but at the very least we can learn what we already knew: RB has a very short life span. I think I read somewhere that the average RB has a 3 year life span in the nfl. Of course there are those that beat the odds: Emmit smith, Marshall Faulk, LT, AP, I'm sure I've missed others. But MOST RBs have a year or two and that's it.

Maybe that's the lesson to take from this. RBs are one of the biggest turn over positions in the NFL

Uh...what?1,460+ yards from scrimmage 5 years in a row isn't doing much? What have you been smoking?

I'm talking FANTASY stats. Real life, yeah those stats look good, but look at the trend:

2008d (rookie year): 4 games over 100. Correct me if I'm wrong but he was sharing the load with Len-Whale that year.

2009: (his big year) : 12 games over 100 yards rushing, the others two were over 80.

2010: 8 games over 100 yards rushing. The other games failed to crack 70. Not real great for what many thought could be the #1 RB

2011: 4 games over 100 yards rushing. Again, the other games failed to crack 70

2012: 5 games over 100 yards rushing, cracked over 70 only 3 others

2013: 0 games over 100 yards rushing.

The guy is the Chad Johnson of RBs. Scores points barely enough for starting most weeks, but every so often he goes crazy with 120+ yards and a score or two so you have to start him. Boom or bust.

Sorry, but I would rather have someone more consistent as my RB 1. After his second full season with TN people were bonkers over him.

I'm not saying he's a bust, but he leaves a LOT to be desired most of the weeks he plays. The trend is not friendly: went from 12 to 8 to 4.5 games over 100. Yards. He has 9 games left. That means half of his remaining games need to be 100 plus to maintain his last two years. Think that's going to happen?

I'm talking fantasy stats too.Rushing yards and receiving yards count for fantasy

1,460+ YFS in real life is 1,460 YFS in fantasy.

And there is a huge difference between not living up to a 2,000 yard rushing season, or not living up to #1 overall RB expectation, and "not doing much"

Talk to any Chris Johnson owner and they'll say they struggle with the question on of they should drop him... That's not a rb1.

Like I said, he's the chad Johnson of running backs. He will always have a sucker that bites.

If you want to split hairs over a few words I said, please be my guest. That's the epitome of why I stay away from these boards so much: you disagree with someone's opinion and they take it as a personal attack, or if you use the words "not doing much" instead of "not living up to rb1 expectations" and someone jumps down your throat.

I don't consider being drafted as a rb1 and performing to expectations only 4-5 games a year doing much. Your opinion may be different, that's great, but I'm not going to break down yor posts word for word and try to find one bad thing you may have mistyped. I've grown up past those days

1. I am a Chris Johnson owner, I am aware. (not in my main league, RB2 in another league)2. I never said anything about him being an RB1. You don't have to be an RB1 to "do something". RB2's are pretty damn important to fantasy football, you know?

3. Only a moron, or a person in a 6 man league, would drop Chris Johnson.

4. We are talking about more than one season here. You are talking about YEARS here. YEARS IN A ROW where he had 1,460+ YFS

Didn't mean drop. I meant bench. Yes, no one would drop him

And my point was, the stay at the top as a rb1 is short lived. He had one ONE great season. Since then he is not in the discussion for rb1 or elite back status. Same with a lot of backs out there I mentioned. They all make great rb2s. Even Martin was putting up decent rb2 numbers all things considered before his injury.

You never said rb1, but that's what I was talking about. You decide to debate if Chris Johnson is an effective rb. Maybe I didn't convey my original posting very well, but I can do that now:

What we can learn from all of this is that the stay at the top is very short lived. Many running backs are there for a season or two, and then they can't be counted on. Not all, but I'd say it's more the rule with a few running backs being the exception.

I would have thought martins descent to rb2 would have been shorter.i guess not. He may be considered untouchable like foster for me. But I think he could bring huge value as a rb2 next season

 

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Condolences to Martin owners, if his season is indeed over. Sucks royally.

Here's why fantasy football is so frustrating, and this is not to play Monday Morning QB... just stating facts. You could have made a fair case in August for Peterson, Martin or Charles to go 1.01. Even before Martin got hurt Sunday, these RBs had more points than him on the season in a PPR:

Charles

Forte

Lynch

McCoy

Moreno

Bush

F. Jackson

Peterson

Foster

Gore

Woodhead

Murray

Bernard

Bell

Sproles

C. Johnson

J. Rodgers

Morris

Mathews

Rice

P. Thomas

Like... WTF! So what have we learned here? RBs are now a dime a dozen? Wait on them like never before? Don't trust a guy with only one season under his belt? Don't trust anyone who plays for Greg Schiano? I dunno. It's a never-ending puzzle, this hobby of ours.

I actually think you CAN learn something from this.One thing I have been relatively big on is avoiding sophomore QBs. This season I broke that by going with Luck and it's worked out great (7-0)

I think the same can be said for *most* RBsFoster... Great rookie year but what has he done since

Martin

Ridley

Richardson

Chris Johnson (not much after his second season)

Maybe I'm wrong but I know I'll probably avoid sophomore RBs from now on (can mark Lacy off my board next year), but at the very least we can learn what we already knew: RB has a very short life span. I think I read somewhere that the average RB has a 3 year life span in the nfl. Of course there are those that beat the odds: Emmit smith, Marshall Faulk, LT, AP, I'm sure I've missed others. But MOST RBs have a year or two and that's it.

Maybe that's the lesson to take from this. RBs are one of the biggest turn over positions in the NFL

What? He followed up his rookie season with a Top 5 and a Top 3 finish.

Again, I guess I didn't relay my message very well. I guess I need to proof read. That entire post was meant to say that RBs seem to have a good 1-2 seasons as elite status and then fall to rb2 status. Foster is still considered a rb1 I think, but there's a lot of risk. You can't say you were absolutely thrilled to take him on your draft day unless you grabbed him round 2Heading off for the night, if there is any other confusion on what I meant, I guess I'll just save you the posting time and say, yup what on earth was I thinking I'm a complete moron all of the RBs I mentioned are amazing. Or I can say I didn't word my posting well and please read my follow up posts to clarify what I was talking about. I never meant to say that a rb has one good year and then takes a dump.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Condolences to Martin owners, if his season is indeed over. Sucks royally.

Here's why fantasy football is so frustrating, and this is not to play Monday Morning QB... just stating facts. You could have made a fair case in August for Peterson, Martin or Charles to go 1.01. Even before Martin got hurt Sunday, these RBs had more points than him on the season in a PPR:

Charles

Forte

Lynch

McCoy

Moreno

Bush

F. Jackson

Peterson

Foster

Gore

Woodhead

Murray

Bernard

Bell

Sproles

C. Johnson

J. Rodgers

Morris

Mathews

Rice

P. Thomas

Like... WTF! So what have we learned here? RBs are now a dime a dozen? Wait on them like never before? Don't trust a guy with only one season under his belt? Don't trust anyone who plays for Greg Schiano? I dunno. It's a never-ending puzzle, this hobby of ours.

I actually think you CAN learn something from this.One thing I have been relatively big on is avoiding sophomore QBs. This season I broke that by going with Luck and it's worked out great (7-0)

I think the same can be said for *most* RBs

Foster... Great rookie year but what has he done since

Martin

Ridley

Richardson

Chris Johnson (not much after his second season)

Maybe I'm wrong but I know I'll probably avoid sophomore RBs from now on (can mark Lacy off my board next year), but at the very least we can learn what we already knew: RB has a very short life span. I think I read somewhere that the average RB has a 3 year life span in the nfl. Of course there are those that beat the odds: Emmit smith, Marshall Faulk, LT, AP, I'm sure I've missed others. But MOST RBs have a year or two and that's it.

Maybe that's the lesson to take from this. RBs are one of the biggest turn over positions in the NFL

What? He followed up his rookie season with a Top 5 and a Top 3 finish.

Forgive him. He just started playing FF this season.

 

[Chaka]

Condolences to Martin owners, if his season is indeed over. Sucks royally.

Here's why fantasy football is so frustrating, and this is not to play Monday Morning QB... just stating facts. You could have made a fair case in August for Peterson, Martin or Charles to go 1.01. Even before Martin got hurt Sunday, these RBs had more points than him on the season in a PPR:

Charles

Forte

Lynch

McCoy

Moreno

Bush

F. Jackson

Peterson

Foster

Gore

Woodhead

Murray

Bernard

Bell

Sproles

C. Johnson

J. Rodgers

Morris

Mathews

Rice

P. Thomas

Like... WTF! So what have we learned here? RBs are now a dime a dozen? Wait on them like never before? Don't trust a guy with only one season under his belt? Don't trust anyone who plays for Greg Schiano? I dunno. It's a never-ending puzzle, this hobby of ours.

I actually think you CAN learn something from this.

One thing I have been relatively big on is avoiding sophomore QBs. This season I broke that by going with Luck and it's worked out great (7-0)

I think the same can be said for *most* RBs

Foster... Great rookie year but what has he done since

Martin

Ridley

Richardson

Chris Johnson (not much after his second season)

Maybe I'm wrong but I know I'll probably avoid sophomore RBs from now on (can mark Lacy off my board next year), but at the very least we can learn what we already knew: RB has a very short life span. I think I read somewhere that the average RB has a 3 year life span in the nfl. Of course there are those that beat the odds: Emmit smith, Marshall Faulk, LT, AP, I'm sure I've missed others. But MOST RBs have a year or two and that's it.

Maybe that's the lesson to take from this. RBs are one of the biggest turn over positions in the NFL

If that is true it's a misleading stat at best as the vast majority of those RBs were never starters to begin with. The end of the roster, special teams types who are lucky to be on a roster in the first place outnumber the true starter quality players and inflate that stat.

And which Foster are you talking about? DeShaun?