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Dr. Gobbler welched out on his bet from year ago in this thread (1 Viewer)
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timschochet
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Yes the Lakers desperately need a point guard. I won't argue it. But I do love Fish, and I love seeing him have big games like he did tonight. 
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Son, I've seen more Lakers games in person than you bandwagoners combined. Way before you moved to Cali and hopped jumped aboard, I was at showtime.Sorry Sonny, another Laker win.
drummer
Footballguy
Son, I've seen more Lakers games in person than you bandwagoners combined. Way before you moved to Cali and hopped jumped aboard, I was at showtime.Sorry Sonny, another Laker win.
LOOK AT BWRONG!!!
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Son, I've seen more Lakers games in person than you bandwagoners combined. Way before you moved to Cali and hopped jumped aboard, I was at showtime.Sorry Sonny, another Laker win.
How about:
Lakers get: K. Lowry, A. Blatche and N. Young.
Houston gets: P. Gasol
Washington gets: K. Martin and a couple of #1's. Think I read losing Blatche's contract would be a plus for them.
This is the type of deal the Lakers are probably looking at. Not sure I do it.
Lowry
Kobe
Barnes
Blatche
Bynum
Blake, McRoberts and N. Young lead a revamped bench. Still have Odom trade-exception to potentially snag an impact player.
Lakers get: K. Lowry, A. Blatche and N. Young.
Houston gets: P. Gasol
Washington gets: K. Martin and a couple of #1's. Think I read losing Blatche's contract would be a plus for them.
This is the type of deal the Lakers are probably looking at. Not sure I do it.
Lowry
Kobe
Barnes
Blatche
Bynum
Blake, McRoberts and N. Young lead a revamped bench. Still have Odom trade-exception to potentially snag an impact player.
timschochet
Footballguy
It's not enough. You can't give up Gasol unless you get a star in return.How about:Lakers get: K. Lowry, A. Blatche and N. Young.Houston gets: P. GasolWashington gets: K. Martin and a couple of #1's. Think I read losing Blatche's contract would be a plus for them.This is the type of deal the Lakers are probably looking at. Not sure I do it.LowryKobeBarnesBlatcheBynumBlake, McRoberts and N. Young lead a revamped bench. Still have Odom trade-exception to potentially snag an impact player.
JMon348
Footballguy
I was all for trading Pau, but these last few games have me questioning it again. He's been playing great, especially last night. He and Andrew work very well in the low post together, but it's still a bit redundant having them both. I don't think the Lakers should do a deal trading Pau for 2 or 3 players, if you can't get a star back, just keep him, and roll the dice on one more playoff run. If you keep Pau, do everything to get Sessions/Beasley type players to fill out the team a little better. If you trade Pau, get a Rondo, Deron Williams back.How about:Lakers get: K. Lowry, A. Blatche and N. Young.Houston gets: P. GasolWashington gets: K. Martin and a couple of #1's. Think I read losing Blatche's contract would be a plus for them.This is the type of deal the Lakers are probably looking at. Not sure I do it.LowryKobeBarnesBlatcheBynumBlake, McRoberts and N. Young lead a revamped bench. Still have Odom trade-exception to potentially snag an impact player.
JMon348
Footballguy
Lowry is a great player, and would love to get him, but Gasol is a bit better than him. Blatche and Young are cancerous nothings, who shouldn't ever be considered. They are negatives to this deal.Lowry and Scola makes me think, and think, and think, and think until I go crazy.It's not enough. You can't give up Gasol unless you get a star in return.How about:Lakers get: K. Lowry, A. Blatche and N. Young.Houston gets: P. GasolWashington gets: K. Martin and a couple of #1's. Think I read losing Blatche's contract would be a plus for them.This is the type of deal the Lakers are probably looking at. Not sure I do it.LowryKobeBarnesBlatcheBynumBlake, McRoberts and N. Young lead a revamped bench. Still have Odom trade-exception to potentially snag an impact player.
drummer
Footballguy
Gasol is hard to trade now. A playoff early exit with he playing lost again makes his value worse. He is getting softer by the week.I was all for trading Pau, but these last few games have me questioning it again. He's been playing great, especially last night. He and Andrew work very well in the low post together, but it's still a bit redundant having them both. I don't think the Lakers should do a deal trading Pau for 2 or 3 players, if you can't get a star back, just keep him, and roll the dice on one more playoff run. If you keep Pau, do everything to get Sessions/Beasley type players to fill out the team a little better. If you trade Pau, get a Rondo, Deron Williams back.How about:Lakers get: K. Lowry, A. Blatche and N. Young.Houston gets: P. GasolWashington gets: K. Martin and a couple of #1's. Think I read losing Blatche's contract would be a plus for them.This is the type of deal the Lakers are probably looking at. Not sure I do it.LowryKobeBarnesBlatcheBynumBlake, McRoberts and N. Young lead a revamped bench. Still have Odom trade-exception to potentially snag an impact player.
JMon348
Footballguy
Simmons latest article has him begging the Celtics to do Rondo for Gasol, I'd do it if I were the Lakers. It wouldn't be the perfect match, but I still think it's a necessary change.Gasol is hard to trade now. A playoff early exit with he playing lost again makes his value worse. He is getting softer by the week.I was all for trading Pau, but these last few games have me questioning it again. He's been playing great, especially last night. He and Andrew work very well in the low post together, but it's still a bit redundant having them both. I don't think the Lakers should do a deal trading Pau for 2 or 3 players, if you can't get a star back, just keep him, and roll the dice on one more playoff run. If you keep Pau, do everything to get Sessions/Beasley type players to fill out the team a little better. If you trade Pau, get a Rondo, Deron Williams back.How about:Lakers get: K. Lowry, A. Blatche and N. Young.Houston gets: P. GasolWashington gets: K. Martin and a couple of #1's. Think I read losing Blatche's contract would be a plus for them.This is the type of deal the Lakers are probably looking at. Not sure I do it.LowryKobeBarnesBlatcheBynumBlake, McRoberts and N. Young lead a revamped bench. Still have Odom trade-exception to potentially snag an impact player.
Doubtful the Rockets make that trade now. If I'm the Lakers I do that in a second.'8ebok24 said:Lowry is a great player, and would love to get him, but Gasol is a bit better than him. Blatche and Young are cancerous nothings, who shouldn't ever be considered. They are negatives to this deal.Lowry and Scola makes me think, and think, and think, and think until I go crazy.'timschochet said:It's not enough. You can't give up Gasol unless you get a star in return.'Daywalker said:How about:Lakers get: K. Lowry, A. Blatche and N. Young.Houston gets: P. GasolWashington gets: K. Martin and a couple of #1's. Think I read losing Blatche's contract would be a plus for them.This is the type of deal the Lakers are probably looking at. Not sure I do it.LowryKobeBarnesBlatcheBynumBlake, McRoberts and N. Young lead a revamped bench. Still have Odom trade-exception to potentially snag an impact player.
the moops
Footballguy
NJ in about .2 secondsedit - Not t mention that Deron and Humphries make 24 million combined and Bynum makes 14 million
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Williams is going to leave. Will be crushing for NJ if they end up with nothing. Going forward with two bigs in Bynum and Lopez is not a bad position to be in.
EZD222
Footballguy
NJ will not move Deron unless they know they are 100% out of the Howard running.
Which is very likely. Unless you think B. Lopez will fetch D. Howard which it won't. Orlando would rather make a run in the playoffs with Howard then do a Lopez deal. New Jersey is going to have to seriously consider moving Deron because he's gone if he hits FA. We've been talking Howard for Bynum trade scenario's for months. The whole league has. D. Williams/Humphries for Bynum is an even closer deal in terms of value.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Does NJ take Gasol for Deron straight up if the Lakers get Howard from Orlando for Bynum? I could see those deals going down within minutes of each other.
timschochet
Footballguy
I know this will sound like heresy to my fellow Laker fans, but what if we keep Gasol and Bynum and try to deal Kobe for an elite point guard and some other good players? Is such a thing remotely possible?
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Not possible, though I wouldn't necessarily be opposed if the trade was in the Lakers favor. It's the front of the jersey that matters. Rubio, Derrick Williams, and two #1's. Done.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Kobe has a no trade clause. Somehow you missed me bemoaning that over the course of the season in your very own Laker thread.
timschochet
Footballguy
You're right. I sort of overlooked it before because I never really thought about it. Oh well.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Or a package 3way dealing kobe anf bynum and getting back d-will and howard .....
timschochet
Footballguy
Let's face it. The most likely result is that there's not going to be any trade at all. These big trades that get talked about almost never happen.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
True. And i didnt realize the no-trade clause.
Dr. Gobbler
Footballguy
Wait, LOL, Wait, LOL. How does someone so knowledgeable about the Lakers not know that Kobe has a "No-Trade" clause in his contract?Wait, LOL, Wait, LOL. How does someone who has gone on record as saying "Kobe is the greatest Laker ever" propose that the Lakers trade him?Whatever little credibility you had Tim is now gone!!!You obviously have no faith in the Lakers and you're so desperate to find a fix that you offer up Kobe!!!???You are the typical "New Laker" fan, bandwagoner, jackhole that has no business being a Laker fan. The rest of the Laker fans in this thread should be bombing on you right about now because you are the type of "fan" that gets the rest of Laker fans heckled unmercifully. If Chick Hearn were still alive he would #####-slap you!!!WHAT AN ABOMINATION!!!!!
timschochet
Footballguy
1. I love Kobe Bryant.2. I love the Lakers more.3. I didn't pay attention to the no trade clause because I frankly never considered trading him. 4. I've been a Laker fan since I was 9 years old. For 37 years. I'm not sure what you mean by claiming I have no credibility. I want the Lakers to win; I want more championships. Whatever gets us there is what I want. That's the whole of my credibility.ETA- And I never said Kobe was the greatest Laker ever. I said he should be considered for it, but I would go with Magic. You have me confused with someone else.
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drummer
Footballguy
5. You dunno a troll when you see one.
timschochet
Footballguy
He's not a troll. Well, he maybe a troll in this thread...
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Anyone play NBA2k12?
I was playing against the Lakers. Doris Burke, the sideline reporter came on and said: I had a chance to talk with Pau Gasol. He said the Lakers offense flows best when we make a lot of passes and everyone gets their shots. We get bogged down when we stand around waiting for Kobe to shoot.
Oof.
I was playing against the Lakers. Doris Burke, the sideline reporter came on and said: I had a chance to talk with Pau Gasol. He said the Lakers offense flows best when we make a lot of passes and everyone gets their shots. We get bogged down when we stand around waiting for Kobe to shoot.
Oof.
No, they would not because the trade exception is not an asset that can be traded. It is merely an opening that the Lakers could use to slide in an acquired salary. For the actual trade, a pick or player would need to be used.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
How did the Mavs trade it for Odom then?'Shrugs said:
Kev4029
Footballguy
You don't "trade" a trade exception, you use it. The trade exception doesn't go to the other team, its just used to absorb a salary. And in the NBA a trade has to involve at least a pick or a player from each team, so the Lakers would have to include something. Usually when a salary dump arises, like this pretend Ariza for nothing deal, the pick will be a 2nd round well into the future that is protected to the point that the receiving team will never get it.
The Mavs didn't trade it for Odom. They didn't have it to begin with. Trading away Odom opened up the exception for the Lakers. You ever notice how the Lakers' trade exception is $8.9 million, the exact amount Odom was to earn for the year? Trading Odom created an $8.9 million void that the Lakers are allowed to fill under the salary cap.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
My bad. I always read the trade as a draft pick and trade exemption for Odom as if two assets moved from dallas to la.
JMon348
Footballguy
All Star records that could fall tonight:
Points
Michael Jordan 262
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 251
Oscar Robertson 246
Kobe Bryant 244
FGM
Michael Jordan 110
Kareem Abdul Jabbar 105
Kobe Bryant 102
Oscar Robertson 88
Shaquille O'Neal 87
3PM
Ray Allen 22
Kobe Bryant 19
Lebron James 14
Tracy McGrady 13
Jason Kidd 11
Steals
Michael Jordan 37
Kobe Bryant 33
Isiah Thomas 31
Jason Kidd 24
Larry Bird 23
Points
Michael Jordan 262
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 251
Oscar Robertson 246
Kobe Bryant 244
FGM
Michael Jordan 110
Kareem Abdul Jabbar 105
Kobe Bryant 102
Oscar Robertson 88
Shaquille O'Neal 87
3PM
Ray Allen 22
Kobe Bryant 19
Lebron James 14
Tracy McGrady 13
Jason Kidd 11
Steals
Michael Jordan 37
Kobe Bryant 33
Isiah Thomas 31
Jason Kidd 24
Larry Bird 23
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
All Star records that could fall tonightoints Michael Jordan 262 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 251 Oscar Robertson 246 Kobe Bryant 244 FGM Michael Jordan 110 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 105 Kobe Bryant 102 Oscar Robertson 88 Shaquille O'Neal 87 3PM Ray Allen 22 Kobe Bryant 19 Lebron James 14 Tracy McGrady 13 Jason Kidd 11 Steals Michael Jordan 37 Kobe Bryant 33 Isiah Thomas 31 Jason Kidd 24 Larry Bird 23
Very cool - hope Kobe breaks all these.
timschochet
Footballguy
Listened to an NBA guy (don't remember his name) on the radio before yesterday's game, and he suggested that the Lakers are interested in acquiring Raymond Felton and Michael Beasley before the trade deadline. They could get these guys without having to break up the big 3. Both guys would become immediate starters.
As far as the big three- according to this guy, the Nets won't trade Deron Williams to the Lakers unless they can get both Bynum AND Gasol. The Magic won't trade Howard to the Lakers unless they can get Bynum AND Gasol, and only then if Howard agrees (and apparently he's not especially interested.) In fact, it looks like Dwight Howard will not be traded this season. In any case, the Lakers are not trading both Bynum and Gasol.
As far as the big three- according to this guy, the Nets won't trade Deron Williams to the Lakers unless they can get both Bynum AND Gasol. The Magic won't trade Howard to the Lakers unless they can get Bynum AND Gasol, and only then if Howard agrees (and apparently he's not especially interested.) In fact, it looks like Dwight Howard will not be traded this season. In any case, the Lakers are not trading both Bynum and Gasol.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Love the chatter re: Felton and Beasley. Both have serious warts, but both would be serious upgrades.I don't doubt that the Nets and Magic are staking that position, but we'll see if they blink on 3/14 when they're faced with taking either Bynum or Gasol for 2 months of their superstars services. It's a good game of chicken.
the moops
Footballguy
I am trying to figure out how they can make this happen, but cant find a way. Those guys make a combined 14 million
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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I haven't delved into the rumors, but at first glance I'd guess Felton would be a virtual salary dump for Portland with the Lakers sending them a worthless pick and taking on his salary for the rest of the year. Maybe a future first rounder to Minny for Beasley, along with filler like Kapono, Murphy, McRoberts to make the salary work.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
He seems to really want to go to the Nets. It'd suck if he and Williams ended up in Dallas though.
EYLive
Footballguy
I heard the same report. But I don't think it was as definitive as him stating that he would not sign an extension. It sounded more like he would not commit to an extention right away.
