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Not sure what he meant there. He had a suspension in 2007, but will not have one this year.Edit: Ah. He had a 4 game suspension that was cut down to 2 in 2007.
That was last season. It reads funny to me, too.
they are playoff team but their lacking at QB will be their downfall in the playoffs IMO
Giants lacked a QB too until after 3/4 of the season last year.I would rank the NFC top 6 like this: 1. Dallas2. New Orleans3. Seattle4. New York5. Minnesota6. Carolina/Philly
no GB??you think the division is a slam dunk for Minny? Did the vikes secondary get light years better this off season.Right now I'd take Rodgers over Tavaris
as would I
GB's defensive line is really going to let them down.And yes, the Vikes secondary got light years better this offseason. It happened the exact moment they signed Jared Allen. No defensive backfield in the league could perform with the amount of time the opposing QB was getting in the face of the Vikings poor pass rush.
And why do you say this. Statements are free but with nothing to back it up they are meaningless.I am not picking on you, I disagree with almost every post in this thread. I disagree so much it doesn't pay for me to comment. At least will will know after week one if Minn. is a seriuos contender.
That is too high for Seattle.
Because:- KGB had ACL surgery (and wasn't great to begin with)
I only know what I read. If my statement was too strong for you, I'm sorry, but it looks like the defensive line is a real concern.
I didn't mean to bust your chops and you do bring up some good points but:- If KGB wasn't that great this is a none issueBecause:- KGB had ACL surgery (and wasn't great to begin with)
- They traded away Corey Williams
- Justin Harrell is well on his way to being a 1st round bust
- other assorted injuries
- They've kicked the Jason Taylor tires
The coach himself is worried.
I only know what I read. If my statement was too strong for you, I'm sorry, but it looks like the defensive line is a real concern.
I don't see why you'd put them even with Dallas or Green Bay, or maybe even the Giants, but otherwise yes.
I'd agree with Dallas being the cream of the crop. But then they were last year too. Didn't quite work out.The Vikings have a better defense than the Packers and are about equal on offense.I still think the Giants run was smoke and mirrors.
Defense might be better but they are very weak against the Pass (I know, I know Jared Allen...save it). And the Packers offense was about 70 points better than the Vikes last season. Not sure how the Vikings gained 5 full games worth of wins in the offseason. But time will tell.Actually the Packers had a better defense as far as points as well if I am reading NFL.com correctly. Who knew? Vikes might get into the playoffs with a 9-7 or 10-6 but they don't have the juice to overtake Green Bay (one of the youngest teams in the NFL) just yet.I'd agree with Dallas being the cream of the crop. But then they were last year too. Didn't quite work out.The Vikings have a better defense than the Packers and are about equal on offense.
I still think the Giants run was smoke and mirrors.
key wordsDefense might be better but they are very weak against the Pass (I know, I know Jared Allen...save it). And the Packers offense was about 70 points better than the Vikes last season. Not sure how the Vikings gained 5 full games worth of wins in the offseason. But time will tell.Actually the Packers had a better defense as far as points as well if I am reading NFL.com correctly. Who knew? Vikes might get into the playoffs with a 9-7 or 10-6 but they don't have the juice to overtake Green Bay (one of the youngest teams in the NFL) just yet.I'd agree with Dallas being the cream of the crop. But then they were last year too. Didn't quite work out.The Vikings have a better defense than the Packers and are about equal on offense.
I still think the Giants run was smoke and mirrors.
Green Bay drinks their milkshake!
If Eli can win one...
Too much Haterade being consumed too.
Please don't tell me you think Eli and Jackson have equal talent.If Eli can win one...
Everyone seems to forget how many questions were swirling around Eli even as late as going into the playoffs.Please don't tell me you think Eli and Jackson have equal talent.If Eli can win one...
Talent doesn't win Super Bowls. Performance does.I don't think Eli's performance was something Tarvaris Jackson couldn't achieve, especially when you consider Jackson's rushing ability.Please don't tell me you think Eli and Jackson have equal talent.If Eli can win one...
It might be closer than you think. Tarvaris did not have a reciever on par with Burress or Shockey last year, his first as a starter. With more playing time under his belt, Rice a year older and the addition of Berrian I believe Tarvaris will improve considerably from last year. Eli had quite a schizophrenic year last year. He's still not a clear ubertalent despite the Giants playoff run.Please don't tell me you think Eli and Jackson have equal talent.If Eli can win one...
I agreed with you until the very last thing you said. Week one wins and losses do not equate to being a contender or pretender. IMO we will need at least a few weeks to determine that, oft times even more.
Well the Giants D only allowed 45 points in week one last year. That was a pretty good sign.
And Eli Manning threw four picks, three for TDs, against the Vikings in week 12 last year. I'm just sayin'.
You knocked out GB because of D-line yet you put NO at 2 with that D-line? (and secondary)? 'Splain please.
Depending on injuries...the line would let GB down.But I doubt it.
Why is showing interest in one of the best DE's in the game a bad thing?Because:- KGB had ACL surgery (and wasn't great to begin with)
- They traded away Corey Williams
- Justin Harrell is well on his way to being a 1st round bust
- other assorted injuries
- They've kicked the Jason Taylor tires
The coach himself is worried.
If it's not, they're going to be pretty good.
I put the Packer's overall D better than Minny'sthe offense too if Rodgers is merely average.I'd agree with Dallas being the cream of the crop. But then they were last year too. Didn't quite work out.The Vikings have a better defense than the Packers and are about equal on offense.I still think the Giants run was smoke and mirrors.
He still does not have a wr as good as burress or shockey.It might be closer than you think. Tarvaris did not have a reciever on par with Burress or Shockey last year, his first as a starter. With more playing time under his belt, Rice a year older and the addition of Berrian I believe Tarvaris will improve considerably from last year. Eli had quite a schizophrenic year last year. He's still not a clear ubertalent despite the Giants playoff run.Please don't tell me you think Eli and Jackson have equal talent.If Eli can win one...
Yes, what Andy said....not to mention the additions of Madieu Williams and Tyrell Johnson, along with a healthy Antoine Winfield. ABSOLUTELY YES...the Vikings secondary DID get light years better in the off-season...
Line by line no, I agree that the Vikes recieving unit doesn't have an equal to Burress or Shockey, but I do think that with more experience Jackson can shore up his game enough to atleast match the good we've seen out of Eli. Eli having a Burress and Shockey should have made his transition easier as a QB, my point was Jackson didn't have that benefit last year. I don't think that anyone who looks at the lineup of last years WR corp and compares it to this years lineup can argue that it didn't improve enough to talk about. Wade in the slot instead of end, Rice is a burgeoning talent that hasn't seen his ceiling for talent yet, and Berrian is a vast upgrade from Williamson as a starter. Eli Manning has game, but he often mirrors Grossman with the amount of mistakes he makes. Last year was Tarvaris' first as a starter, I think he's better than he showed, especially with the new lineup.He still does not have a wr as good as burress or shockey.It might be closer than you think. Tarvaris did not have a reciever on par with Burress or Shockey last year, his first as a starter. With more playing time under his belt, Rice a year older and the addition of Berrian I believe Tarvaris will improve considerably from last year. Eli had quite a schizophrenic year last year. He's still not a clear ubertalent despite the Giants playoff run.Please don't tell me you think Eli and Jackson have equal talent.If Eli can win one...
I understand the questions around Tarvaris and he is the key to the Vikings season, but let's not give Rodgers a free ride either. We don't know what he can do. Maybe he will be a good quarterback, but he is replacing the best QB in NFL history (IMHO). I don't think that point can be ignored at all. I am in love with Greg Jennings and think he is a top flight WR but we don't know how much Favre had to do with the success of the WRs in Green Bay and how much his being there helped Grant have the big season. Obviously I am a Viking homer, but I see the Vikings have improved themselves by leaps and bounds - in the areas they needed help. The Packers lost the one of the best players in history - I think that can make up the five full game difference. I don't see how Tarvaris gets thrown aside and Rodgers gets the free pass.
I like the Williams pick up...other than that...meh.Winfield is a good tackler for sure...coverage...not so much.Yes, what Andy said....not to mention the additions of Madieu Williams and Tyrell Johnson, along with a healthy Antoine Winfield. ABSOLUTELY YES...the Vikings secondary DID get light years better in the off-season...
The problem is...Jackson does not yet have that talent either.And I don't think Berrian is that much of an upgrade...ask the Bears about that. They overpaid for a glorified #2 or #3 WR who has issues with the dropsies (sound like Williamson much?)Better than he has showed? Why would anyone think that at this point. Because he has shown so little?Talk about mistakes...Tarvaris made plenty of those himself.Line by line no, I agree that the Vikes recieving unit doesn't have an equal to Burress or Shockey, but I do think that with more experience Jackson can shore up his game enough to atleast match the good we've seen out of Eli. Eli having a Burress and Shockey should have made his transition easier as a QB, my point was Jackson didn't have that benefit last year. I don't think that anyone who looks at the lineup of last years WR corp and compares it to this years lineup can argue that it didn't improve enough to talk about. Wade in the slot instead of end, Rice is a burgeoning talent that hasn't seen his ceiling for talent yet, and Berrian is a vast upgrade from Williamson as a starter. Eli Manning has game, but he often mirrors Grossman with the amount of mistakes he makes. Last year was Tarvaris' first as a starter, I think he's better than he showed, especially with the new lineup.He still does not have a wr as good as burress or shockey.It might be closer than you think. Tarvaris did not have a reciever on par with Burress or Shockey last year, his first as a starter. With more playing time under his belt, Rice a year older and the addition of Berrian I believe Tarvaris will improve considerably from last year. Eli had quite a schizophrenic year last year. He's still not a clear ubertalent despite the Giants playoff run.Please don't tell me you think Eli and Jackson have equal talent.If Eli can win one...
Troy Williamson, 38 Targets, 4 Dropshttp://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/players...183&team=30
I remember them well. None of the questions consisted of whether he'd remain the starter, or even be on the roster the following year. Jackson was brought into the league as a marginal NFL talent on the hope that he might develop, and was started by a team out of desperation because it had no other options worth pursuing. You couldn't have a different entering posture in the league than the ones that Jackson and Eli had.Everyone seems to forget how many questions were swirling around Eli even as late as going into the playoffs.Please don't tell me you think Eli and Jackson have equal talent.If Eli can win one...
How important is the secondary anyways? Giants beat Green Bay in the NFC championship with an injury depleted secondary. On paper it was a total mismatch if you disregard the Giants pass rush. And yes the Vikings sack numbers have been terrible for several years. I still cringe at the though of the way Tom Brady picked them apart a couple years back. The Vikings were unable to generate any real pressure on him.
If you don't remember the questions of him remaining the starter, you don't remember them "very well".After the Vikings game, they were ready to send him out on a rail.
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