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Dracula's tomb found? (1 Viewer)

GregR

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Didn't find a thread on this.

So they think they found the tomb belonging to Vlad Tepes III. Aka Vlad the Implaer. Aka Dracula. And they plan to open the tomb up.

Sounds like a plan. What could possibly go wrong?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2655354/Is-Draculas-final-resting-place-16th-century-headstone-unearthed-Naples-belong-Vlad-Impaler.html

Is this Dracula's final resting place? 16th century headstone unearthed in Naples could belong to Vlad the Impaler
  • Headstone found in same graveyard in which Dracula's daughter is buried
  • Grave is covered in images and symbols of the House of the Transylvanian
  • Count Vlad Tepes, the so-called Dracula, was thought to have died in battle
  • But researchers now suspect he was taken prisoner, ransomed to his daughter, by then safe in Italy, and buried in a church in Naples
By Hannah Roberts

Published: 13:34 EST, 11 June 2014 | Updated: 04:38 EST, 12 June 2014

He has cast a shadow over the craggy Transylvanian Alps for centuries.

But the remains of the real-life Dracula are today to be found not in the Romanian Alps but in Italy, according to new research.

Count Vlad Tepes, the so-called Dracula, was thought to have died in battle. But scholars from the University of Tallinn say they have discovered documentary evidence that he was in fact taken prisoner, ransomed to his daughter - by then safe in Italy - and buried in a church in Naples.


The remains of the real-life Dracula are today to be found not in the Romanian Alps but in tomb in Italy (pictured), according to new research
SAVING VLAD THE IMPALER Born in 1431, Count Vlad Tepes was part of a noble family that was itself part of the Order of the Dragon, which was engaged in fighting the expansion of the Ottoman Empire into Europe. His father was nicknamed Dracul, meaning 'Dragon' so the young Vlad became Dracula, or 'son of Dragon'.

In 1476 Dracula disappeared in battle. While some sources have claimed that he died, the researchers claim he was in fact imprisoned by the Turks, who hauled him away in chains. His daughter Maria was meanwhile brought to the Neapolitan court, whose ruling family was allied with her own family, where she was adopted and eventually married to a Neapolitan nobleman.

Documents show that Maria in fact paid a ransom to the Turks for her father, who was then brought to Naples, the historians say. And a newly uncovered headstone in Naples' Piazza Santa Maria La Nova, in the same graveyard as his daughter and son-in-law, could be his final resting place, they say.

Student Erika Stella, investigating the cloister of Santa Maria Nova in Naples for her thesis, discovered the incongruous grave and returned with historians who undertook months of research.

Medieval history scholar Raffaello Glinni said that the 16th century tomb is covered in images and symbols of the House of the Transylvanian 'Carpathians', not in keeping with the tomb of an Italian nobleman.

‘When you look at the bas-relief sculptures the symbolism is obvious’, he told Neapolitan newspaper Il Mattino.

'The dragon means Dracula and the two opposing sphinxes represent the city of Thebes also called Tepes. In these symbols, Dracula Tepes, the very name of the count is written,’ he said.

The researchers have now applied for official permission to investigate the grave.

Scholars from the University of Tallinn say they have discovered documentary evidence that the so-called Dracula was in fact taken prisoner, ransomed to his daughter - by then safe in Italy - and buried in a church in Naples (marked)
Medieval history scholar Raffaello Glinni said that the 16th century tomb (pictured) is covered in images and symbols of the House of the Transylvanian 'Carpathians', not in keeping with the tomb of an Italian nobleman
 
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It's never been entirely clear why Stoker choose Vlad to be the vampire. Dracula just really means son of Dracul which is translated to dragon. Tepes was never associated with vampires in Eastern Europe where the myths originate. He was actually closely aligned with the church. In fact he is still celebrated as a national hero for asserting Romanian autonomy and his work defending against the Turks. Stoker wrote his book after there was a hysteria in Eastern Europe over alleged vampiric infestation. He may have gotten the name from a Hungarian history professor he was friends with. Also not clear is why he moved the story from Wallachia to northern Transylvania. Generally thought to be because that part of the world was still very medieval even in Stoker's time.

 
They should put a group of half a dozen or so 20-something, good-looking grad students to work on this. The group should include three men and three women. Two of the women should be slutty, while the third should be a virgin. One of the men should be a jock, one should be a happy-go-lucky stoner, and one should be a black guy. They should arrange to excavate the grave site just as night falls.

 
They should put a group of half a dozen or so 20-something, good-looking grad students to work on this. The group should include three men and three women. Two of the women should be slutty, while the third should be a virgin. One of the men should be a jock, one should be a happy-go-lucky stoner, and one should be a black guy. They should arrange to excavate the grave site just as night falls.
Shouldn't there also be a mysterious older guy that warns them and in the end comes to their aid only to be killed in the process?

 
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They should put a group of half a dozen or so 20-something, good-looking grad students to work on this. The group should include three men and three women. Two of the women should be slutty, while the third should be a virgin. One of the men should be a jock, one should be a happy-go-lucky stoner, and one should be a black guy. They should arrange to excavate the grave site just as night falls.
Don't forget the talking dog.

"And I would have had my way if it weren't for you meddling kids!"

 
It's never been entirely clear why Stoker choose Vlad to be the vampire. Dracula just really means son of Dracul which is translated to dragon. Tepes was never associated with vampires in Eastern Europe where the myths originate. He was actually closely aligned with the church. In fact he is still celebrated as a national hero for asserting Romanian autonomy and his work defending against the Turks. Stoker wrote his book after there was a hysteria in Eastern Europe over alleged vampiric infestation. He may have gotten the name from a Hungarian history professor he was friends with. Also not clear is why he moved the story from Wallachia to northern Transylvania. Generally thought to be because that part of the world was still very medieval even in Stoker's time.
[/vampire apologist]

 
It's never been entirely clear why Stoker choose Vlad to be the vampire. Dracula just really means son of Dracul which is translated to dragon. Tepes was never associated with vampires in Eastern Europe where the myths originate. He was actually closely aligned with the church. In fact he is still celebrated as a national hero for asserting Romanian autonomy and his work defending against the Turks. Stoker wrote his book after there was a hysteria in Eastern Europe over alleged vampiric infestation. He may have gotten the name from a Hungarian history professor he was friends with. Also not clear is why he moved the story from Wallachia to northern Transylvania. Generally thought to be because that part of the world was still very medieval even in Stoker's time.
[/vampire apologist]
Vampires were people to my friend.

 
It's never been entirely clear why Stoker choose Vlad to be the vampire. Dracula just really means son of Dracul which is translated to dragon. Tepes was never associated with vampires in Eastern Europe where the myths originate. He was actually closely aligned with the church. In fact he is still celebrated as a national hero for asserting Romanian autonomy and his work defending against the Turks. Stoker wrote his book after there was a hysteria in Eastern Europe over alleged vampiric infestation. He may have gotten the name from a Hungarian history professor he was friends with. Also not clear is why he moved the story from Wallachia to northern Transylvania. Generally thought to be because that part of the world was still very medieval even in Stoker's time.
[/vampire apologist]
Vampires were people to my friend.
I've never seen you post from outside during the day, so I must conclude you are a vampire yourself.

After consulting a few websites that seem like specialists on the subject, it seems we are now supposed to use steaks on you. The woman at Omaha Steaks wasn't sure which cut is best to order for vampires, so you get a reprieve until they get back to me.

 
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It's never been entirely clear why Stoker choose Vlad to be the vampire. Dracula just really means son of Dracul which is translated to dragon. Tepes was never associated with vampires in Eastern Europe where the myths originate. He was actually closely aligned with the church. In fact he is still celebrated as a national hero for asserting Romanian autonomy and his work defending against the Turks. Stoker wrote his book after there was a hysteria in Eastern Europe over alleged vampiric infestation. He may have gotten the name from a Hungarian history professor he was friends with. Also not clear is why he moved the story from Wallachia to northern Transylvania. Generally thought to be because that part of the world was still very medieval even in Stoker's time.
[/vampire apologist]
Vampires were people to my friend.
I've never seen you post from outside during the day, so I must conclude you are a vampire yourself.

After consulting a few websites that seem like specialists on the subject, it seems we are now supposed to use steaks on you. The woman at Omaha Steaks wasn't sure which cut is best to order for vampires, so you get a reprieve until they get back to me.
Whatever you do don't go with Prime Rib I would really hate that.

 
If the grave is empty then what?
That would be pretty interesting. Given his close ties to the church and Italian monarchy of the time there would be no reason to do a deceptive burial.
Thats not what I mean.If its empty do they send a hunter squad out to find him?
Well if he is a vampire he's been successfully hidden for over 600 years. Where do you look first?
Congress

 
They should put a group of half a dozen or so 20-something, good-looking grad students to work on this. The group should include three men and three women. Two of the women should be slutty, while the third should be a virgin. One of the men should be a jock, one should be a happy-go-lucky stoner, and one should be a black guy. They should arrange to excavate the grave site just as night falls.
Don't forget the talking dog."And I would have had my way if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
Beat me to it. On a side note, I never understood why they wait until just before sunset to attack the vampire. Seems like a thing that could be knocked out right after breakfast and checked off the to do list. Granted, in Stoker's novel, Dracula was at best mildly inconvenienced by the sun, in some cases rendering him almost mortal, but far from destroying him.

 
The worst that could happen is they find him all glitzed-up with a hipster haircut.

:shudder:

 
They should put a group of half a dozen or so 20-something, good-looking grad students to work on this. The group should include three men and three women. Two of the women should be slutty, while the third should be a virgin. One of the men should be a jock, one should be a happy-go-lucky stoner, and one should be a black guy. They should arrange to excavate the grave site just as night falls.
Don't forget the talking dog."And I would have had my way if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
Beat me to it.On a side note, I never understood why they wait until just before sunset to attack the vampire. Seems like a thing that could be knocked out right after breakfast and checked off the to do list. Granted, in Stoker's novel, Dracula was at best mildly inconvenienced by the sun, in some cases rendering him almost mortal, but far from destroying him.
Yeah the burnup in the sun thing isn't part of the original legends. They were just weaker. Still it would seem like a good idea to attack before your enemy was going to power up.

 
They should put a group of half a dozen or so 20-something, good-looking grad students to work on this. The group should include three men and three women. Two of the women should be slutty, while the third should be a virgin. One of the men should be a jock, one should be a happy-go-lucky stoner, and one should be a black guy. They should arrange to excavate the grave site just as night falls.
Don't forget the talking dog."And I would have had my way if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
Beat me to it.On a side note, I never understood why they wait until just before sunset to attack the vampire. Seems like a thing that could be knocked out right after breakfast and checked off the to do list. Granted, in Stoker's novel, Dracula was at best mildly inconvenienced by the sun, in some cases rendering him almost mortal, but far from destroying him.
Yeah the burnup in the sun thing isn't part of the original legends. They were just weaker. Still it would seem like a good idea to attack before your enemy was going to power up.
Exactly. But the main thing nobody who likes those vampire romances wants you to know is that a vampire is just a zombie with a better marketing firm. After all, the creature is almost always considered undead (or at least not human), the condition is often spread by bite, and in many movies, there are so many running around that one couldn't swing a bat without hitting (and subsequently being attacked by) one of them.
 
They should put a group of half a dozen or so 20-something, good-looking grad students to work on this. The group should include three men and three women. Two of the women should be slutty, while the third should be a virgin. One of the men should be a jock, one should be a happy-go-lucky stoner, and one should be a black guy. They should arrange to excavate the grave site just as night falls.
Don't forget the talking dog."And I would have had my way if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
Beat me to it.On a side note, I never understood why they wait until just before sunset to attack the vampire. Seems like a thing that could be knocked out right after breakfast and checked off the to do list. Granted, in Stoker's novel, Dracula was at best mildly inconvenienced by the sun, in some cases rendering him almost mortal, but far from destroying him.
Yeah the burnup in the sun thing isn't part of the original legends. They were just weaker. Still it would seem like a good idea to attack before your enemy was going to power up.
Exactly. But the main thing nobody who likes those vampire romances wants you to know is that a vampire is just a zombie with a better marketing firm. After all, the creature is almost always considered undead (or at least not human), the condition is often spread by bite, and in many movies, there are so many running around that one couldn't swing a bat without hitting (and subsequently being attacked by) one of them.
To be fair though zombies tend to be mindless. Vampires retain the human capacity for thought and planning.

 
It's never been entirely clear why Stoker choose Vlad to be the vampire. Dracula just really means son of Dracul which is translated to dragon. Tepes was never associated with vampires in Eastern Europe where the myths originate. He was actually closely aligned with the church. In fact he is still celebrated as a national hero for asserting Romanian autonomy and his work defending against the Turks. Stoker wrote his book after there was a hysteria in Eastern Europe over alleged vampiric infestation. He may have gotten the name from a Hungarian history professor he was friends with. Also not clear is why he moved the story from Wallachia to northern Transylvania. Generally thought to be because that part of the world was still very medieval even in Stoker's time.
[/vampire apologist]
Vampires were people to my friend.
Who is your friend?

 
The worst that could happen is they find him all glitzed-up with a hipster haircut.

:shudder:
I'm pretty sure that if he suddenly started sparkling, he'd have offed himself long ago.
He allegedly dipped his bread into the blood of his enemies. Now that's how you go about this. No sparkling for this guy.
He sounds bat#### crazy.
He may have suffered from [SIZE=10pt]Porphyria. It's a genetic disease which keeps the person from producing a vital component of blood. Now we treat it with shots. But back then it was thought that drinking blood would help with the symptoms. IIRC this genetic disease runs in his descendants.[/SIZE]

 
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They should put a group of half a dozen or so 20-something, good-looking grad students to work on this. The group should include three men and three women. Two of the women should be slutty, while the third should be a virgin. One of the men should be a jock, one should be a happy-go-lucky stoner, and one should be a black guy. They should arrange to excavate the grave site just as night falls.
Don't forget the talking dog."And I would have had my way if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
Beat me to it.On a side note, I never understood why they wait until just before sunset to attack the vampire. Seems like a thing that could be knocked out right after breakfast and checked off the to do list. Granted, in Stoker's novel, Dracula was at best mildly inconvenienced by the sun, in some cases rendering him almost mortal, but far from destroying him.
Yeah the burnup in the sun thing isn't part of the original legends. They were just weaker. Still it would seem like a good idea to attack before your enemy was going to power up.
Exactly. But the main thing nobody who likes those vampire romances wants you to know is that a vampire is just a zombie with a better marketing firm. After all, the creature is almost always considered undead (or at least not human), the condition is often spread by bite, and in many movies, there are so many running around that one couldn't swing a bat without hitting (and subsequently being attacked by) one of them.
To be fair though zombies tend to be mindless. Vampires retain the human capacity for thought and planning.
True, but again, it depends on the creator of the story. Some are mindless, others can be given menial tasks to do or are simply brought back for revenge, and still others can retain a surprising amount of cunning. Sometimes, eating can affect their intelligence as well. But their greatest threat is in numbers.
 
They should put a group of half a dozen or so 20-something, good-looking grad students to work on this. The group should include three men and three women. Two of the women should be slutty, while the third should be a virgin. One of the men should be a jock, one should be a happy-go-lucky stoner, and one should be a black guy. They should arrange to excavate the grave site just as night falls.
Don't forget the talking dog."And I would have had my way if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
Beat me to it.On a side note, I never understood why they wait until just before sunset to attack the vampire. Seems like a thing that could be knocked out right after breakfast and checked off the to do list. Granted, in Stoker's novel, Dracula was at best mildly inconvenienced by the sun, in some cases rendering him almost mortal, but far from destroying him.
Yeah the burnup in the sun thing isn't part of the original legends. They were just weaker. Still it would seem like a good idea to attack before your enemy was going to power up.
Exactly. But the main thing nobody who likes those vampire romances wants you to know is that a vampire is just a zombie with a better marketing firm. After all, the creature is almost always considered undead (or at least not human), the condition is often spread by bite, and in many movies, there are so many running around that one couldn't swing a bat without hitting (and subsequently being attacked by) one of them.
To be fair though zombies tend to be mindless. Vampires retain the human capacity for thought and planning.
True, but again, it depends on the creator of the story. Some are mindless, others can be given menial tasks to do or are simply brought back for revenge, and still others can retain a surprising amount of cunning. Sometimes, eating can affect their intelligence as well. But their greatest threat is in numbers.
Well I was going with the classic vampire. In legend they tend to be portrayed as cunning and ruthless.

 
They should put a group of half a dozen or so 20-something, good-looking grad students to work on this. The group should include three men and three women. Two of the women should be slutty, while the third should be a virgin. One of the men should be a jock, one should be a happy-go-lucky stoner, and one should be a black guy. They should arrange to excavate the grave site just as night falls.
Don't forget the talking dog."And I would have had my way if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
Beat me to it.On a side note, I never understood why they wait until just before sunset to attack the vampire. Seems like a thing that could be knocked out right after breakfast and checked off the to do list. Granted, in Stoker's novel, Dracula was at best mildly inconvenienced by the sun, in some cases rendering him almost mortal, but far from destroying him.
Yeah the burnup in the sun thing isn't part of the original legends. They were just weaker. Still it would seem like a good idea to attack before your enemy was going to power up.
Exactly. But the main thing nobody who likes those vampire romances wants you to know is that a vampire is just a zombie with a better marketing firm. After all, the creature is almost always considered undead (or at least not human), the condition is often spread by bite, and in many movies, there are so many running around that one couldn't swing a bat without hitting (and subsequently being attacked by) one of them.
To be fair though zombies tend to be mindless. Vampires retain the human capacity for thought and planning.
True, but again, it depends on the creator of the story. Some are mindless, others can be given menial tasks to do or are simply brought back for revenge, and still others can retain a surprising amount of cunning. Sometimes, eating can affect their intelligence as well. But their greatest threat is in numbers.
Well I was going with the classic vampire. In legend they tend to be portrayed as cunning and ruthless.
I see. Classic zombies are usually primitive, but very violent. I read that Frankenstein's creature could be classified as a zombie, considering that he's made of reanimated tissue.
 
I believe frankensteins monster in the book retained its intelligence and was very different from the one portrayed in the old film

 
"Headstone found in same graveyard in which Dracula's daughter is buried"

So, why didn't they just look here first?

 
They should put a group of half a dozen or so 20-something, good-looking grad students to work on this. The group should include three men and three women. Two of the women should be slutty, while the third should be a virgin. One of the men should be a jock, one should be a happy-go-lucky stoner, and one should be a black guy. They should arrange to excavate the grave site just as night falls.
Don't forget the talking dog."And I would have had my way if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
Beat me to it.On a side note, I never understood why they wait until just before sunset to attack the vampire. Seems like a thing that could be knocked out right after breakfast and checked off the to do list. Granted, in Stoker's novel, Dracula was at best mildly inconvenienced by the sun, in some cases rendering him almost mortal, but far from destroying him.
Yeah the burnup in the sun thing isn't part of the original legends. They were just weaker. Still it would seem like a good idea to attack before your enemy was going to power up.
Exactly. But the main thing nobody who likes those vampire romances wants you to know is that a vampire is just a zombie with a better marketing firm. After all, the creature is almost always considered undead (or at least not human), the condition is often spread by bite, and in many movies, there are so many running around that one couldn't swing a bat without hitting (and subsequently being attacked by) one of them.
To be fair though zombies tend to be mindless. Vampires retain the human capacity for thought and planning.
True, but again, it depends on the creator of the story. Some are mindless, others can be given menial tasks to do or are simply brought back for revenge, and still others can retain a surprising amount of cunning. Sometimes, eating can affect their intelligence as well. But their greatest threat is in numbers.
Well I was going with the classic vampire. In legend they tend to be portrayed as cunning and ruthless.
I see. Classic zombies are usually primitive, but very violent. I read that Frankenstein's creature could be classified as a zombie, considering that he's made of reanimated tissue.
I don't think I'd classify the monster as a zombie. He is alive not undead. He has a heartbeat. And of course he is not insanely aggressive either. Originally he was fairly sensitive and as I recall he tried to learn to read. His aggression is the by product of his mistreatment by humans. At the end of the day he just wants to be loved.

 
"Headstone found in same graveyard in which Dracula's daughter is buried"

So, why didn't they just look here first?
Because he disappeared in battle and it was thought he was killed, the body never recovered. It was only relatively recently they uncovered evidence he may have been taken alive and ransomed back by his daughter.

 
"Headstone found in same graveyard in which Dracula's daughter is buried"

So, why didn't they just look here first?
Because he disappeared in battle and it was thought he was killed, the body never recovered. It was only relatively recently they uncovered evidence he may have been taken alive and ransomed back by his daughter.
"Headstone found in same graveyard in which Dracula's daughter is buried"

So, why didn't they just look here first?
Because he disappeared in battle and it was thought he was killed, the body never recovered. It was only relatively recently they uncovered evidence he may have been taken alive and ransomed back by his daughter.
Here are some pics of the hints that researchers thought the family left on the tomb.

http://www.swide.com/art-culture/is-dracula-story-real-vampires-daughter-and-tomb-found-in-naples/2014/06/12

 
It's never been entirely clear why Stoker choose Vlad to be the vampire. Dracula just really means son of Dracul which is translated to dragon. Tepes was never associated with vampires in Eastern Europe where the myths originate. He was actually closely aligned with the church. In fact he is still celebrated as a national hero for asserting Romanian autonomy and his work defending against the Turks. Stoker wrote his book after there was a hysteria in Eastern Europe over alleged vampiric infestation. He may have gotten the name from a Hungarian history professor he was friends with. Also not clear is why he moved the story from Wallachia to northern Transylvania. Generally thought to be because that part of the world was still very medieval even in Stoker's time.
[/vampire apologist]
Vampires were people to my friend.
Who is your friend?
lolz
 

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