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Draft Dominator - work with Mac? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter benbadman
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i believe dodds said they still dont have it for mac yet. very frustrating, but i guess they only have so much time.
GridironMenace
Footballguy
It is absolutely simple to convert to a mac format. They haven't done it because they are lazy, IMO. There are a ton of people with mac's and FBG needs to WAKE up and smell the coffee on this one. People have been clamoring for a mac version of DD for 3-4 years. FBG can come out with an iPhone app but not with a mac version of DD?!?!?!??! Come on...please. I have VMWare Fusion running windows on my mac and therefore I can get the DD to run on my mac, but it just stinks to have to pay $$$ for software to run windows on a mac just to get DD. Plus the rankings for DD, withing Fusion aren't 100% correct. But it seems that we are singing to the choir on this one as the FBG mods don't seem to want to address the issue...
Evilhomer3k
Footballguy
You're getting all worked up of something most subscribers don't care about. They don't have a linux version either. No android either. A port would be easy for android/linux, too.
Would a mac version be nice? Would I like to run the software on my macbook pro without bootcamp? Of course.I'd rather they spent the time on articles, projections, and podcasts than develop a mac version of the DD to help the people who have a mac and don't/won't run fusion/bootcamp/vmware. I run bootcamp and I'm good. (of course I'd also like to get decent drivers for my 8600 in OS X too but that doesn't seem like its going to happen)
Would a mac version be nice? Would I like to run the software on my macbook pro without bootcamp? Of course.I'd rather they spent the time on articles, projections, and podcasts than develop a mac version of the DD to help the people who have a mac and don't/won't run fusion/bootcamp/vmware. I run bootcamp and I'm good. (of course I'd also like to get decent drivers for my 8600 in OS X too but that doesn't seem like its going to happen)
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Cities' or companies' approach on complaints is that for every formal complaint, there are 100 others out there who feel the same way and just won't formally complain about it.FBG has had many numerous requests and complaints to have the DD run on Mac, and with the ever growing popularity of the Mac, this is certainly a legit complaint. Yes, I can drive around a pothole and just have it be a nuisance, but the better thing is to have the city actually fix the problem.Until people start complaining about not having a linux version, then it doesn't make a difference. Lots of people have actually complained about not having a Mac version.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
What % of computer users do you think "the ever growing popularity of the Mac" has grown too?
Cassius
Footballguy
It's been addressed. They don't feel the need to spend the resources to do it and have instead focused on going mobile.
cr8f
Footballguy
You don't need bootcamp with Virtual Box.
I don't know....do a poll.
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sholditch
Footballguy
David Dodds
Administrator
We are making some progress on this, but no promises to what we can accomplish on this. The DD is also a very complicated piece of software. Bruce showed me Mac screen shots and some working functionality this past week. We will likely have something this season, but I doubt it will have all the same functionality of the Windows version.
No Way Jose
Footballguy
I like one if the suggestions that was given by the higher ups for this problem......just buy a cheap pc laptop.
One of the main reasons that I joined FBG was for the DD, only to find out it won't work on either of my 2 computors(macs). And I'm not gonna buy a $150 app to run it that I would only use for that purpose. I know they are busy, but this seems like an important issue to fix. However, I'm not expecting anything to happen.
One of the main reasons that I joined FBG was for the DD, only to find out it won't work on either of my 2 computors(macs). And I'm not gonna buy a $150 app to run it that I would only use for that purpose. I know they are busy, but this seems like an important issue to fix. However, I'm not expecting anything to happen.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
1. That's the global market share, not a representation of FBG users.2. 5% of subscribers is still ~$40,000 of revenue for FBG.
Hooper31
Footballguy
As a Mac user I appreciate your efforts here.While you work on this transition, my only request is that you continue to have the VBD excel spreadsheet still available. That works well for me as a compromise.
Avery
Footballguy
Additionally, that 5.16% includes all computers, office and home.If you're talking about home computers, and I assume that we are since most of us won't use DD at work, as of October 2009:
Although many of those households own a Windows based PC as well, that's impressive growth from one brand. .
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I'd like to run DD on the iPad, but I understand that it is a cost to build, test, and maintain whereas the majority of the users are PC users. So I will lug my cheap laptop to the draft instead of showing off my new toy. I would rather they keep enhancing the tool than do a breadth of platforms.
Yes, the site is incredible -- best info, best articles, best tools, by far best forums. But the fact that the DD has not been rebuilt in years and years is by far my biggest gripe. You should be able to click and sort every table by clicking on the column headers. You should have more flexibility in using different scoring options like non-standard bonuses, multiple bonuses, different points-against cutoffs, different FG cutoffs, etc. These things cannot possibly be hard to code, but I understand the desire to build an iPhone app and focus on mobile. However, improving the fundamental DD design would be greatly appreciated and I hope that at some point it makes it to the top of the list.
NattyDread
Footballguy
A step in the right direction. Much appreciated.Yah. I have all but shelved the pc for the iPad. Thinking I will just export the DD data to excel for my league (auction /keeper/contract)Thinking quickoffice will be my app of choice for real time edits. Sure I don't get the dynamic values adjusting as players come off the board. But hey. It'll be close enough.
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Insoxicated
NattyDread said:
I own 2 computers... both Macs. I think PC users dismissing the Mac user base as small or, even worse, "Pathetic" are a little bit off base here...
David Dodds
Administrator
We are not doing that at all. We have not had the inhouse skillset to program this. Bruce jumped way out of his comfort zone though this year and we are getting a lot smarter here. But for those saying this type of conversion is trivial, they are uninformed. Yes there are programs that will convert some things. But a program as complex as the Draft Dominator is not an easy conversion. Tons of this code have to be completely rewritten to work on the Mac. We are making an effort. We will try our best, but at the end of the day we are not Apple programmers and we may come up short.[icon] said:NattyDread said:David Dodds said:
A step in the right direction. Much appreciated.
I own 2 computers... both Macs. I think PC users dismissing the Mac user base as small or, even worse, "Pathetic" are a little bit off base here...
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Insoxicated
David,
I was referring to sholditch's ill-informed comment above. I appreciate that you guys are doing something for your clientele that uses Macs. I'd wager your Mac useage numbers are much closer to 10% than the 5% claimed by Sholditch. Even WITH a large portion of your user base killing time during the day on work computers (most of which are PCs).
Regardless.... I'm running boot camp so it's no biggie but I would love to use a Mac-Native version of DD at some point.
Have you guys considered outsourcing it? Surely the site has the budget to get some code reworked?
I was referring to sholditch's ill-informed comment above. I appreciate that you guys are doing something for your clientele that uses Macs. I'd wager your Mac useage numbers are much closer to 10% than the 5% claimed by Sholditch. Even WITH a large portion of your user base killing time during the day on work computers (most of which are PCs).
Regardless.... I'm running boot camp so it's no biggie but I would love to use a Mac-Native version of DD at some point.
Have you guys considered outsourcing it? Surely the site has the budget to get some code reworked?
actually, out of 100K subscribers you'd think there might be 1 programmer desperate enough to have and provide this conversion that they'd be willing to give a discounted rate.David, I was referring to sholditch's ill-informed comment above. I appreciate that you guys are doing something for your clientele that uses Macs. I'd wager your Mac useage numbers are much closer to 10% than the 5% claimed by Sholditch. Even WITH a large portion of your user base killing time during the day on work computers (most of which are PCs). Regardless.... I'm running boot camp so it's no biggie but I would love to use a Mac-Native version of DD at some point.Have you guys considered outsourcing it? Surely the site has the budget to get some code reworked?
jswalker1981
Footballguy
I just did this for my draft on Sunday, and it worked great. Virtual Box is a free virtualization software. It is really easy to install, and you can buy a windows xp operating system on ebay for $30-$40. People complaining about not having it on Mac act like they don't have any solutions to the problem. But for $40 you can have DD on your Mac, and that is a lot cheaper than buying another laptop. It's not a perfect "make DD mac-compatible" solution, but it's not a totally insane option either.
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David Dodds
Administrator
Outsourcing sounds easier than it ever is. The DD has a ton of very complex formulas. We would have to spell all of those out and describe every little piece of this thing that was crafted over multiple years. And then we would need to manage this contract while we are trying to do everything else. We are making progress which is more than we can say the last few years where we spent no effort on it. We will have something to show soon.David, I was referring to sholditch's ill-informed comment above. I appreciate that you guys are doing something for your clientele that uses Macs. I'd wager your Mac useage numbers are much closer to 10% than the 5% claimed by Sholditch. Even WITH a large portion of your user base killing time during the day on work computers (most of which are PCs). Regardless.... I'm running boot camp so it's no biggie but I would love to use a Mac-Native version of DD at some point.Have you guys considered outsourcing it? Surely the site has the budget to get some code reworked?
MonstBlitz
Footballguy
FYI...
I was this close to signing up for footballguys.com. The fact that the app doesn't work on macs, and it seems to be something users have been clamoring about for years and not getting, was a deal breaker.
I was this close to signing up for footballguys.com. The fact that the app doesn't work on macs, and it seems to be something users have been clamoring about for years and not getting, was a deal breaker.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Lack of native OS X compatibility is the sole reason why I didn't re-up w/ FBG subscription this year (had access to a Windows laptop last year, but no longer). I don't need Bootcamp or Parallels for anything else, and I refuse to buy Windows in addition to that.
They have beta versions of software that works on Mac now, if you havent seen...
MonstBlitz
Footballguy
TWP said:
Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. It seems like a great site here, and I'll continue to browse these forums. But "at the end of the day" I'm not going to pay the same price as everyone else to get a lesser product simply because I am a Mac User.
massraider
Footballguy
Anyone else think it's hilarious reading about Mac users refusing to spend $30 on a subscription, or $150 on an app to make DD work?
Good thing that thriftiness wasn't present when you were purchasing your personal computer.
I keed, I keed.
Good thing that thriftiness wasn't present when you were purchasing your personal computer.
I keed, I keed.
FYI, the info that I've found shows that Macs only have a small portion of the total market share but they own 14% of the market share in 2008 and 66% of home computers costing more than $1000. But that is still just a drop in the bucket to what's happening with the iPad where Apple is doubling it's footprint every quarter. Read that again. Doubling it's footprint every quarter. Apple is on pace to sell 25,000,000 iPads in the first year. The iPad is Apple's entry level computer with prices starting at $499 and millions of apps. But wait, we haven't even factored in Apples mobile computers. You might know them better as the iPhone and the iPod Touch. If you count Apple desktops, laptops and iPads then Apple is already the market leader in sales and that doesn't factor iPhone or iPod Touch platform which has the same OS as the iPad.
http://mac.blorge.com/2010/07/21/apple-mor...r-market-share/
http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/...l-be/1282334845
http://mac.blorge.com/2010/07/21/apple-mor...r-market-share/
http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/...l-be/1282334845
saintsfan
Footballguy
Read this all of you people downing Mac users. The iPod touch and iPad uses the same OS as the Mac. Apple is far from a small market.Having said that, none of the powers to be at FBG are downing Mac users. On the contrary, I see the development that they are doing on the mobile devices as being primarily targeted toward Apple users. My guess is that their focus will be on that rather than trying to develop more desktop software. It's only a matter of time before we have the DD on iPad and iPod Touch.
I don't think that's quite accurate. Mac's have their own OS that I believe is different from iPad, iPhone and iPod Touch but since the iPad, iPhone and iPod Touches are growing in numbers exponentially, any new developments probably need to favor the IOS software.
Footballguys are heading in the right direction by having an iPhone/iPod Touch app and it's probably very simple to migrate that iPhone app to be compatible with the iPad. They should probably focus their efforts on making the DraftDominator an IOS app since that market will be bigger if it's not already. It's going to be too late this year for DraftDominator to help the Mac users if it's not out yet so maybe they can roll out a LineupDominator for IOS (iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch) as a way to work out the bugs for DD next season.
Can you imagine drafting from your iPad, iPhone, iPod Touch or what's probably being announced on 9/1 (a touchscreen iPod nano)?
Footballguys are heading in the right direction by having an iPhone/iPod Touch app and it's probably very simple to migrate that iPhone app to be compatible with the iPad. They should probably focus their efforts on making the DraftDominator an IOS app since that market will be bigger if it's not already. It's going to be too late this year for DraftDominator to help the Mac users if it's not out yet so maybe they can roll out a LineupDominator for IOS (iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch) as a way to work out the bugs for DD next season.
Can you imagine drafting from your iPad, iPhone, iPod Touch or what's probably being announced on 9/1 (a touchscreen iPod nano)?
