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Drafting with guppies (1 Viewer)
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Run It Up
Footballguy
I do have to say, the only picks I like from his draft is the 1.6, 2.7, 10.7 and 12.7
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
So here's a funny story while we're bored. About 10 or 12 years ago, a bunch of guys I played softball with were starting up a new league. They were all fantasy football noobs, and I had been playing for several years already. I passed on the league at first because I was already in too many leagues. But when they had a guy drop out at the last minute, I agreed to join.
The draft was a complete sh-t show. Back then, we were still at the height of "Stud RB theory" and we could start 2 RBs and 2 flex spots. I don't even remember who they were, but I had the most ridiculous stable of RBs you've ever seen. Banged 'em out with my first four picks as the other guys are taking QBs, backup WRs, kickers, etc. It was brutal.
There were still GREAT starting QBs and WRs left in rounds 7 - 8 - 9.
Long story short, I didn't even make the playoffs. Half of my roster ended up on injured reserve.
Just because you draft with guppies doesn't mean a guaranteed title.
The draft was a complete sh-t show. Back then, we were still at the height of "Stud RB theory" and we could start 2 RBs and 2 flex spots. I don't even remember who they were, but I had the most ridiculous stable of RBs you've ever seen. Banged 'em out with my first four picks as the other guys are taking QBs, backup WRs, kickers, etc. It was brutal.
There were still GREAT starting QBs and WRs left in rounds 7 - 8 - 9.
Long story short, I didn't even make the playoffs. Half of my roster ended up on injured reserve.
Just because you draft with guppies doesn't mean a guaranteed title.
VaTerp
Footballguy
First thing that jumps out to me is what a sub-par team for someone going on an on about guppies.And you make it sound like you started a QB run but to me it looks like you were the one who fell victim taking Brees immediately after Brady and Rodgers(not that it's a bad pick but still).How the hell do you end up with that RB corps while drafting with guppies? And your WRs arent impressive either. Weak squad.Would be interesting to see how your team stacks up with the female 49er fan. Keep us posted. Actually, don't.'Sweetness_34 said:
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Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Correct
Run It Up
Footballguy
If the fish always lost they would quit.
dagwood
Footballguy
I thought the same thing when I read this. You have a nice squad but in no way is it an awesome squad. You could make the playoffs but it would not be shocking if you did not make the playoffs.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
*shrug* Hang out with cooler chicks? Or don't, it's not a big deal and some guys like ff being a "guys club" thing. That's cool too. OP, your team is awful. The chick who you complain about has a better roster than you.
You want to talk about owning a guppy league draft where everyone else sucks, and you take advantage of it, this is how you brag:
PPR, can start 4 RB's for whatever reason. Took advantage of that big time, which left me weaker at WR but should allow me to dominate every week anyways, by virtue of a VERY high and consistent floor with all those RB's.
Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler
Darren McFadden, Ryan Mathews, Darren Sproles, Doug Martin, Kevin Smith, Ronnie Hillman
Pierre Garçon, Torrey Smith, Titus Young, Jon Baldwin, Leonard Hankerson, Danny Amendola, Emmanuel Sanders, Steve Smith STL
Jimmy Graham, Lance Kendricks
Bills D/ST
No Kickers, because...#### Kickers.
There you go. You'll still sound like a ######## coming onto a board full of "sharks" to brag about whipping on some guppies, but at least your team wouldn't be a pile of garbage.
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dagwood
Footballguy
Now that is the kind of roster I expected to see when you start bragging about being in a league of guppies. Maybe OP does not realize that other leaguemates are going home laughing about him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The commish could have drafted him at the end and traded him to the guy that thought he drafted him.
Sweetness...great post and I think all of us at some time have come across a league like this.I really only have 1 thing to add here...and you and I have been posting on both this and the other (fftoday) board for a long time so I don't want you to get mad or take it personally...but for being in a guppy league that's not a great team you put together. I don't think it was your fault to be honest.....I think this just further proves that taking a QB in the first round has a REAL opportunity cost. I just end up hating for the most part the way a team ends up looking when you go QB early.I would love to see composite, aggregate stats of the % of ff owners who take a QB in the first round who go on to win their league. Someone out there must have done some kind of research like this....I'm inclined to say the % is low due to the fact that in my personal experience I don't think a winner in ANY of my leagues has ever had a first round QB in that particular year.'Sweetness_34 said:
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Assuming Matt Ryan lasted until the last round? Someone would have gone against that and taken him.
butcher boy
Footballguy
If Mathews and McFadden miss significant time (protip: they will), you might be up #### creek.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
That's the risk you take drafting potential top-5 RB's later on...otherwise, they'd be going in the high 1st all the time, consistently.
Oh Sweetness....while i don't think your team is as horrible as everyone is making it out to be, you should've known better than to create this thread...how did you expect this thread to turn out? Did you expect everyone to reply with a bunch of "atta-boys" and praises? Please...overall, i think most of us understand the point you were trying to make, but you came across extremely toolish and it didn't help that you showed us the team you ended up with...
that said, i think your team decent, but your starting RBs are suspect...since you went QB in round 1, you probably should have used your 3rd rounder on an RB instead of Nelson...that way you could start at least 2 solid RBs (from reading your post, it looks like charles and SJax were still there!!!)...you could have drafted a pretty solid WR with the 6th rounder you spent on Redman who's situation is not great at the moment...nice late round RB selections...hopefully one of those dudes pops and you can plug him into your SL...but dude, a kicker in 14th round?!?! Looks like this was a 17 round draft, so what the hell are you doing grabbing a Kicker in the 14th? Thats guppyish...but oh well...
the main thing to take away from this, sweetness: READ THE ROOM...
that said, i think your team decent, but your starting RBs are suspect...since you went QB in round 1, you probably should have used your 3rd rounder on an RB instead of Nelson...that way you could start at least 2 solid RBs (from reading your post, it looks like charles and SJax were still there!!!)...you could have drafted a pretty solid WR with the 6th rounder you spent on Redman who's situation is not great at the moment...nice late round RB selections...hopefully one of those dudes pops and you can plug him into your SL...but dude, a kicker in 14th round?!?! Looks like this was a 17 round draft, so what the hell are you doing grabbing a Kicker in the 14th? Thats guppyish...but oh well...
the main thing to take away from this, sweetness: READ THE ROOM...
Sammy B
Footballguy
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doowain
Footballguy
What exactly are you complaining about? It just seems like whining as most of the things you list are fairly legit.
Also....I wouldn't have posted that team after saying I drafted with guppies. It's not good. You'll be on the outside looking in come Week 14.
ETA: I posted before reading the responses in the thread. When am I the one that takes it the easiest on someone? Gah.
Also, I've played in a league with Sweetness before. This is exactly the team I'd expect him to draft. And exactly the post I'd expect him to make.
Also....I wouldn't have posted that team after saying I drafted with guppies. It's not good. You'll be on the outside looking in come Week 14.
ETA: I posted before reading the responses in the thread. When am I the one that takes it the easiest on someone? Gah.
Also, I've played in a league with Sweetness before. This is exactly the team I'd expect him to draft. And exactly the post I'd expect him to make.
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Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I explained earlier the kicked was an auto pick by Yahoo because my kids interrupted me during draft and I missed my pick
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I will explain my choices later today.....have been busy and will take a while to post.
Short Corner
Footballguy
So the guy wanted Ryan in the 3rd, misclicked and then passed on him the next 4 picks.
shadyridr
Footballguy
please dont. we dont care
ponchsox
Footballguy
Hurry, I can't wait!
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
after reading the OP?
Warrior
Footballguy
During my first season of fantasy football...I think it was 2005 or 2006, I joined a league and found out that the guy who won it the year before drafted the Baltimore Ravens in the FIRST ROUND and won the league! His logic was that there were so many more players on a full defensive that they must be better than drafting a single offensive player. So he went for the best defensive team as his first pick. Of course, he got Brett Favre and some other studs really late. They got him into the playoffs and he squeaked out a win to become league champion. Yikes.
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Warrior
Footballguy
Wrong. In Yahoo leagues, you can stop the draft for 30 seconds or 3 minutes with 'timeouts'. You can then reverse previous picks.
solorca
Footballguy
That's not always a bad idea. I was in a league last week and took Ryan in the 5th and vick in the 6th. I've already flipped vick for Hakeem Nicks to a team that needed a better qb. Maybe the guy just liked the value of getting a top 7 qb in the 8th round... Especially in a league where they flew off the board early. Seems like a quality value pick to me.'Sweetness_34 said:
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
So why does your team suck so bad. Honestly, you have a ton of crappy players. No rb 2 and no wr 3? It's a very average team especially with others making such huge mistakes.'Sweetness_34 said:
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I usually join a public 14 league Yahoo team just so I can practice my draft in my 10+ year competitive 14 team money league.
The guys in my money league are pretty savvy, but a few often reach for players they like, and are biased by the flavor du jour on ESPN rankings. Yahoo guppies are a far cry from my money league mates in terms of player knowledge, but it does give me a good idea of where general consensus is on some players, or how recent news is affecting ADP. good example is how far are people reaching on a guy like Matty Ice or where a guy like Rashad Jennings might be going.
Anyway, in a 14 team public league, start 1 QB, 2 WR, 2 RB, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 TE, 1 DST, 1 K, I ended up with the following team out of the 4 slot:
LeSean McCoy
DeMarco Murray
Steven Jackson
Tony Romo
Doug Martin
Antonio Brown
Torrey Smith
Mark Ingram
Denarius Moore
Nate Washington
CJ Spiller
Jared Cook
Alex Smith
Dallas
Garrett Hartley
Brandon LaFell
I purposefully steered away from WRs early given the value that was falling to me -- especially because this league rewards 0.5 pts/rush attempt! I could have ended up with much stronger WRs, but the guys I have are deep in the WR 20-40 range, and decent upside. TE and D are problems, but the advantage I have in RB depth is ridiculous, and great trade material.
I noticed that people were tending to draft positional needs early, which is a trend that is accentuated by the rise of the stud QB and TE. I think this is a sound strategy depending on how your draft goes, as it may be easier to start runs, but this is a good example at how using an opposite approach within draft can be very beneficial in racking up amazing dpeth.
Goes to show you that the average joe out there may not only not be aware of value, but also the effect of the point system on a player's point potential and the effect it has on relative value.
The guys in my money league are pretty savvy, but a few often reach for players they like, and are biased by the flavor du jour on ESPN rankings. Yahoo guppies are a far cry from my money league mates in terms of player knowledge, but it does give me a good idea of where general consensus is on some players, or how recent news is affecting ADP. good example is how far are people reaching on a guy like Matty Ice or where a guy like Rashad Jennings might be going.
Anyway, in a 14 team public league, start 1 QB, 2 WR, 2 RB, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 TE, 1 DST, 1 K, I ended up with the following team out of the 4 slot:
LeSean McCoy
DeMarco Murray
Steven Jackson
Tony Romo
Doug Martin
Antonio Brown
Torrey Smith
Mark Ingram
Denarius Moore
Nate Washington
CJ Spiller
Jared Cook
Alex Smith
Dallas
Garrett Hartley
Brandon LaFell
I purposefully steered away from WRs early given the value that was falling to me -- especially because this league rewards 0.5 pts/rush attempt! I could have ended up with much stronger WRs, but the guys I have are deep in the WR 20-40 range, and decent upside. TE and D are problems, but the advantage I have in RB depth is ridiculous, and great trade material.
I noticed that people were tending to draft positional needs early, which is a trend that is accentuated by the rise of the stud QB and TE. I think this is a sound strategy depending on how your draft goes, as it may be easier to start runs, but this is a good example at how using an opposite approach within draft can be very beneficial in racking up amazing dpeth.
Goes to show you that the average joe out there may not only not be aware of value, but also the effect of the point system on a player's point potential and the effect it has on relative value.
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Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I just think it's funny that a bunch of guys are making fun of another guy's magic football team after said guy made fun of some chick's magic football team.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
No trades are allowed in this league. We had a few issues in years past with people taking advantage of other players and some collusion that almost broke the league so we decided to go with no trades any more. Hence, it is not really a great value pick.
solorca
Footballguy
Ehh, I still don't hate it. In the eighth round, it's still not too bad to have Vick/Ryan as a combo. Eighth round puts Ryan at a great value, especially as the best backup in the league.If the "guppies" are going to waste sixth rounders on Issac Redman and player like that, you might as well scoop him Ryan up. With Vick as your starter, you have a lot of inherent risk at the QB position, Ryan solves that for him.
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Short Corner
Footballguy
It's a good value pick just for the fact that they didn't let someone else scoop up that value in the 8th. I have seen Ryan go as high as the 4th in 12 man mocks.
JoePlumber
Footballguy
Please keep us updated how the season pans out.
On the topic of drafting with Guppies...
Be careful if you can't attend a draft with work buddies or friends on Yahoo.
I created a predraft list for a Yahoo league with guys from work and Yahoo overrides your predraft picks in order to fill out your rosters. Defense in 8th round, kicker in 9th. ...looks like I'm the guppy in that league.
Be careful if you can't attend a draft with work buddies or friends on Yahoo.
I created a predraft list for a Yahoo league with guys from work and Yahoo overrides your predraft picks in order to fill out your rosters. Defense in 8th round, kicker in 9th. ...looks like I'm the guppy in that league.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
3-1 actually #1 but thanks fir asking....I got Alfred Morris from WW and Amendola has been $$ as flex.Kevin Smith did great week 1
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Oh, my apologies. Link to the league?
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
