The scenario that I bolded suggested adding another song (in addition to the anthem) during which it would be ok to kneel. I’m not taking one side or the other, simply saying that the concept of being told when it’s ok to do something and when not doesn’t really jive with the concept of a protest.
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ffmail4me
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Bigboy10182000
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“Do what I say, when and how I told you to do it or else. “What a horrible human being this guy Drew Brees is. Gives MILLIONS to charity to help ALL people in his home state and around the world. This is just stupid to try and find fault with a guy who's never done a single thing unethical in the public eye.
He was in an ad supporting a church that supports conversion therapy for gays and Brees was the face of AdvoCare, an alleged billion-dollar pyramid scheme. He sunk $15 million of his NFL earnings into diamonds as an “investment,” ones that turned out to only be worth $6 million. I am sure there's more but that's all I can think of now
JohnnyU
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Bigboy10182000
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Bigboy10182000
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I particularly liked Ed Reed’s stance on the issue. It’s not like he played with a murderer or guy who destroyed his girls face. You see how harshly he criticized them when that happened?
Encumbrance
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The title "Drew Brees Hasn't Learned" indicates he needs to be taught a lesson of some sort. Perhaps he genuinely feels you ought to stand for the flag. Who's to say who is to teach him a lesson?
JohnnyU
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I don't go to games to empathize, I can do that at other times. I go to games to see my team knocks some heads.
JohnnyU
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LOL why are you defending this game? His own teammates unfollowed him yesterday and multiple people from other sports destroyed him too
Bigboy10182000
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Terpman22
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No one that has a platform and a mouth is safe when the wrong words are expressed at the wrong time.
JJ Watt, Carson Wentz, Jason Kelce have all voiced their opinions. Its just that most people don't value the backlash from "the real bad people" if you will.
Bigboy10182000
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And teammates came to his defense as well. Did Marcus Davenports view make its round yet? I’m guessing no....
JohnnyU
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They will stifle your thoughts, speeach, and beliefs so help them (insert whatever God they pray to).
way more people destroyed him than defended him; even marques colston, who is super quiet, had to speak up. Not to mention there was literally a chant of "F Drew Brees" at a NO protest just recently. The lack of self awareness to say this at this time being his race was just super idiotic and he probably only apologized to save face, not lose a locker room, and because of all the backlash. His choice of photo for this post is laughable and screams more as a post of "sorry you found my comments offensive"
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jm192
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It's never enough. People just want to be mad.
He appologized. He said he was wrong. He clarified his stance and said he would do better. And yet--you still find fault with how he did it.
Always gotta be mad over something.
JohnnyU
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jm192
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That's fine. If you want people to be quiet, listen and empathize--that's totally fine. Don't ask people what they think. That implies you want a response. Coming to a message board typically implies you're looking for a discussion. If you just want a one sided conversation, start a blog.
Bigboy10182000
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You’re getting closer. Everyone now will have to have an opinion (one opinion) or else.
Which part of Brees’ video upset you the most?
let's try and keep this one the fantasy impacts long term here
I think he has recovered. Yesterday i said to my friends if he doesn't dig himself out of this whole his last year is going to be a terrible one. I think he has dug himself out. But my opinion doesn't matter, it's the guys on the field
I think he has recovered. Yesterday i said to my friends if he doesn't dig himself out of this whole his last year is going to be a terrible one. I think he has dug himself out. But my opinion doesn't matter, it's the guys on the field
JohnnyU
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You are trying to force your opinions down our throats however. So expect our thoughts to be expressed too.
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jm192
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You came to a message board and posted. That opens itself to reply regardless of the topic. If you want everyone to shut up and read what you have to say--you're thinking of a blog.
That is really sad. Drew Brees has done more for the New Orleans community than anyone over the last 15 years. To turn on him because of one statement is embarrassing.
I do disagree with Brees' statement, and he probably should have just said nothing, but this feels like a gigantic overreaction. Cancel culture is the dirt worst, as is this idea that you have to be 100% in one direction or the other. You can support BLM and still not support kneeling, you can support protests, and not support looting.
Milkman
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Agree with your general statement but I think it's hard to support BLM and not support kneeling. The way the other side vilified Colin Kaepernick makes that a pretty big stretch.
That is probably true, but I think its wrong that it works that way optically. Its not like Drew Brees was out there saying things like CK shouldn't be allowed to play because he kneels.
Its probably not right for this thread, but I really hate the fact that having an opinion associates you with the extremes of the people who have that opinion, even if that one opinion is the only thing you agree with those people on. I don't support the looting and rioting that has been happening, but that doesn't mean I don't value black lives, or think the police don't routinely overstep their bounds. I don't think its right to be an all or nothing issue(almost nothing is) and I'm about as left wing as anyone(I voted for Bernie)
I honestly feel kinda bad for Brees here. He should have just said nothing, but throwing him under the bus feels like a slippery slope, as Brees is maybe the best role model the NFL has.
can imagine the #### storm if NOW the NFL or any other organization for that matter pulled the anthem.....?.......you think people are pissed now....if you pull the anthem taking away the "platform" they were choosing to use, all hell will break loose....."oh you pulled the anthem from us"....
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Milkman
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I get what you're saying. I'm against universal healthcare but I'm definitely a liberal. I'd happily vote for Bernie this year if he won the nomination. I feel bad for Brees too but man he's been in this game a long time.......he must have felt very strongly about what he said.
not trying to be a jerk.....but are their maybe gays that want conversion therapy...?
jm192
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This is a fallacy. You can absolutely love your country and be opposed to kneeling without being against BLM.
The anthem has been around for centuries. It wasn’t a statement on racism until 3-4 years ago. And now we have to choose between the 2? Sorry, no. I’m not playing that game.
I support BLM.
I disagree with kneeling during the anthem, but I recognize your right to do it.
Milkman
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See that's the problem. It was never about not loving your country. It was about bringing awareness to social injustice and police brutality. You listened to people that made it about the anthem because they don't want awareness brought to these issues for varying reasons.
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jm192
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No.
You listened to people that made it about social awareness. The Anthem has had the same meaning for hundreds of years. Then in 2016 Kaepernick decided the meaning was social awareness and the rest of us have to accept it.
If it's not about the anthem, why do it during the anthem? Kneel during half time.
I want awareness brought to the issues. I realize there are countless ways to do it besides kneeling during the anthem.
Milkman
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To get the most exposure you can for your cause. It was a peaceful protest. Lots of peaceful protests were received this same way but ended up causing a lot of positive change.
There are people in this country that don't want things to be fair or even for various reasons. Those people changed the narrative. Not saying that's you just saying they are out there.
Milkman
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This is what I hear when people say stuff like this.
I know black people are being killed at an alarming rate but the national anthem is important to the country.
What people should be saying is......
I know the national anthem is important to the country but black people are being killed at an alarming rate.
Sorry man but it's a pretty bad look. No offense.
Brees has every right to his opinion and people have every right to criticize him and call him out as they see fit.
But I do think people, mainly the media, are in to big of a rush right now to stomp out and criticize any opinion that not go along with the current popular narrative. I think a little more talking and discussion would go a lot longer for helping the country move forward then this overwhelming rush to pile on.
As an example Vic Fangio. Vic said he did not see racism in the NFL and everyone ripped him apart and the main thing they ripped him over was citing the numbers of players vs coaches/FO people of color as an example of racism in the NFL. Vic is a guy who had to toil over 30 years as an assistant in the league, and a very good one, before he could land a head coaching job. Is it not natural that he may not be so quick to see white privilege with respect to head coach and minority hiring? In his experience, I'm sure he really believes some of the other stuff he said that got glossed over like if society reflected an NFL team we'd all be great. I certainly support right of people to say they don't agree with Vic, but I did not think what he said merited him being ripped and I also failed to see any modern era players or coaches who ripped Vic actually provide an example of racism they suffered in the NFL other then again citing head coaching hiring numbers. Like Brees, he had to issue an apology but to me that's just not the right way to go about this. But to me a discussion why Brees or Vic felt this way, which let's be honest is a way that a lot of white people continue to feel, would be a lot healthier way for us to all move forward and start treating each other with more respect then the crushing piling on of a different viewpoint followed by need for some PR type apology. That's just stifling honest discussion and sweeping the problem under the rug.
But I do think people, mainly the media, are in to big of a rush right now to stomp out and criticize any opinion that not go along with the current popular narrative. I think a little more talking and discussion would go a lot longer for helping the country move forward then this overwhelming rush to pile on.
As an example Vic Fangio. Vic said he did not see racism in the NFL and everyone ripped him apart and the main thing they ripped him over was citing the numbers of players vs coaches/FO people of color as an example of racism in the NFL. Vic is a guy who had to toil over 30 years as an assistant in the league, and a very good one, before he could land a head coaching job. Is it not natural that he may not be so quick to see white privilege with respect to head coach and minority hiring? In his experience, I'm sure he really believes some of the other stuff he said that got glossed over like if society reflected an NFL team we'd all be great. I certainly support right of people to say they don't agree with Vic, but I did not think what he said merited him being ripped and I also failed to see any modern era players or coaches who ripped Vic actually provide an example of racism they suffered in the NFL other then again citing head coaching hiring numbers. Like Brees, he had to issue an apology but to me that's just not the right way to go about this. But to me a discussion why Brees or Vic felt this way, which let's be honest is a way that a lot of white people continue to feel, would be a lot healthier way for us to all move forward and start treating each other with more respect then the crushing piling on of a different viewpoint followed by need for some PR type apology. That's just stifling honest discussion and sweeping the problem under the rug.
jm192
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I disagree.
There is no but. I don't think the national anthem is tied to fighting racism in the country. I don't have to pick one. I know it's the dream of the left to say "Do this or you're bad." But I'm not playing your game.
I'm not racist. I do care about black lives. And I absolutely think the anthem is important. I can think all of those things. And you're not going to convince me that I can't or that I'm bad for it.
Milkman
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