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Drop Kinsler for Cano? (1 Viewer)
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Tony Danza
Footballguy
Cano was a slow starter last year too.
Wooderson
Fight The Power
Well I have Tex and I don't plan to drop him yet. I have decided to drop Todd Helton for Cano. I will later on deal one of my 2nd basemen.
Finless
Footballguy
How many teams are in this league? Helton may be old but if this is a redraft he's off to a solid start. I'd take Cano over Helton but you don't have anyone else to dish? He's got 5 doubles, 2 dongs and always bats for average.
Finless
Footballguy
Roster size? Cano, Kinsler, and Helton should all be rostered.
MAC_32
Footballguy
If you're able to pick Cano off waivers I highly doubt you'll be able to deal him. Others can get him for free now, why would they give up a player later instead?
Eephus
Footballguy
That's the problem with shallow leagues. There's always free talent on the wire so trade value of everybody gets diminished. I think ten teamers should extend their benches by at least 3 slots so the talent pool is more comparable with twelve team leagues.
MrBlonde
Footballguy
Wow.... That comment really tells the story there.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Wow, missed that one. Yea, that...umm...wow.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Let's not turn this into the shark pool.Eephus said:
MAC_32
Footballguy
That's a lot better.
Wooderson
Fight The Power
Wooderson
Fight The Power
pollardsvision
Footballguy
if it's a decision you must make, i'd rather have kinsler. that's true in any league, but since this is a shallow league i'd be even more inclined to go with the guy with the most upside, which is kinsler.
the main advantage cano has over kinsler is AVG, which may not be as big of a deal in a shallow league (as you should have fewer BA drains in your lineup). it's also possible that kinsler could post a pretty solid avg. with progression and a more steady role.
kinsler's 20-20 ability with upside from there makes him a clear choice over cano in my book.
of course, that's based on all things being equal. if you really don't need any speed and need the avg. and rbi, then cano would be the choice.
the main advantage cano has over kinsler is AVG, which may not be as big of a deal in a shallow league (as you should have fewer BA drains in your lineup). it's also possible that kinsler could post a pretty solid avg. with progression and a more steady role.
kinsler's 20-20 ability with upside from there makes him a clear choice over cano in my book.
of course, that's based on all things being equal. if you really don't need any speed and need the avg. and rbi, then cano would be the choice.
Eephus
Footballguy
OK should I drop Jose Reyes?
shadyridr
Footballguy
Cano should have a much higher BA, about 20 more rbis, at least equal in runs, and equal in hrs. The only thing Kinsler trumps Cano in is SBs. Not sure where youre coming from here.
Finless
Footballguy
Not yet but you may want to consider moving him fro Nate McLouth.OK should I drop Jose Reyes?
MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't agree with the bolded at all, shadyridr covered a lot of things I agree with him on...but upside? Cano has a lot of untapped power potential still in the tank. For all the upside Kinsler has his peak is probably Cano now with a lower avg and more SB's, Cano could easily be a 30 HR hitter and that offsets any advantage Kinsler may have with his wheels.For now I'd put Cano in every day and look for days when Cano has a bad matchup and Kinsler's up against a righty (more steal opp's) to insert Kinsler. Obviously if you can deal one at some point do it, but as has already been discussed that's not likely.
MrJimiT
Footballguy
From the projections that I used for drafting my players, I had Cano as 2B #5 and Kinsler 2B #6. Statistically I had them like this:
Runs - Kinsler 86, Cano 79
HR - Cano 22, Kinsler 19
RBI - Cano 84, Kinsler 68
Avg - Cano .311, Kinsler .290
SB - Kinsler 18, Cano 5
Using the SGP's for my particular league, Cano was just slightly above Kinsler but I would probably group them both in a tier with Brian Roberts (whom I had at #4).
Of course MY projections are purely speculative in this comparison. But from my point of view, I don't see one player significantly better than the other. I don't think I would drop either one of them for the other quite frankly. As stated previously, I would have to weigh out my teams deficiencies before I would make a judgment on which player that I would prefer. I suppose I like Kinsler's upside that was mentioned earlier.
Runs - Kinsler 86, Cano 79
HR - Cano 22, Kinsler 19
RBI - Cano 84, Kinsler 68
Avg - Cano .311, Kinsler .290
SB - Kinsler 18, Cano 5
Using the SGP's for my particular league, Cano was just slightly above Kinsler but I would probably group them both in a tier with Brian Roberts (whom I had at #4).
Of course MY projections are purely speculative in this comparison. But from my point of view, I don't see one player significantly better than the other. I don't think I would drop either one of them for the other quite frankly. As stated previously, I would have to weigh out my teams deficiencies before I would make a judgment on which player that I would prefer. I suppose I like Kinsler's upside that was mentioned earlier.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
i guess we'll just have differing opinions on this one.cano has had 3 years of major league experience and he's yet to hit 20 HRs (took 620 ABs to get 19 last year).MAC_32 said:
kinsler got to 20 in his 1st full season in 140 fewer ABs.
obviously, you guys see it differently, but i see more power uspide from kinsler.
much of cano's value comes from his average, but with his strikeout:walk rates, i have a hard time seeing him sustain it.
cano will hit for better average than kinsler, but the difference may not be as stark as many assume. kinsler had a better OBP than cano last year (.355 to .353). kinsler drew far more walks in far fewer plate appearances.
runs should be a wash (although kinsler had more in 140 fewer AB's last year).
cano will be a better rbi man, but it's hard to judge just how stark the differences will be, as that's largely a function of the rest of the team and lineup spot. i wouldn't be surprised if it's only a 15 rbi difference this year.
that brings us to SBs. if kinsler becomes a 30-30 man with a decent average (or even 25-25), then cano had better absolutely destroy kinsler in rbi, hr, and average to be more valuable if he's not going to to steal more than 6-7 bases. he'd have to be chase utley (with half the stolen bases), which he won't be.
we just disagree on what their potential is and how valuable each would be if they reached their potential.
Wooderson
Fight The Power
It's 10 buddies been doing it for 5 years now. Just like every 10 team league there is plenty of talent in the free agent pool and just like every league someone always panics in baseball and drops players to early. Allot of people play fantasy baseball like fantasy football and it just doesn't work that way.
erikf08
Footballguy
Gotta be patient with Cano...he will break out and his numbers will exceed his last year's numbers. Cold weather could be a factor right now. a bunch of rain outs/rain delays have also messed with the Yankee hitters getting into grooves.
