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[BigRed]

It is just not one that will lead to more points or a championship squad. It will help you get a nice, safe, middle of the road team. Safe teams do not win fantasy championships.

Frankly this is one of the most common/weakest myths ever. "Safe" picks can and have helped win championships, while "upside" picks that people like because they are flashy, have very often doomed teams. But as you say, the scoring system/etc does of course make a diff.

 

[Leroy's Aces]

It is just not one that will lead to more points or a championship squad.  It will help you get a nice, safe, middle of the road team.  Safe teams do not win fantasy championships.

Frankly this is one of the most common/weakest myths ever. "Safe" picks can and have helped win championships, while "upside" picks that people like because they are flashy, have very often doomed teams. But as you say, the scoring system/etc does of course make a diff.

Good point.I am starting to rethink Droughns a little bit, lol, due to the length of this thread and the passion of the arguments.

 

[chris1969]

Take it from a Brown's fan, If (and it's a big if) he comes out of camp as the undisputed full time starter, then he'll put up even better numbers than last year. The OL is twice as good as last year and Offense is better as a whole.

But.............................

Last year Suggs was clearly better in camp than Droughns and even though Romeo planned on using both in thunder and lightning type roles, it was pretty clear Suggs was gonna get the majority of the carries before he got hurt.

And it's looking more and more like RBBC in Cleveland this year. The Browns drafted Harrison as a change of pace back and they've picked up a UFA named Chris Barclay that looks equally able to fill that role. They are not anything to put on your fantasy roster, but one of them will take carries away from the starter. THEN in the very next round the Browns drafted the top rated FB in Vickers. "Why would they draft a FB when they have Terrell Smith?", you ask. They plan on using Vickers as both a recieving FB and as a short-yardage back. He played both FB and TB in Colorado and is very versital, in fact Colorado called him their V-Back for versatility. He even lined up at TE and WR a few times. Given that the Browns struggled to get short yardage rushing TD's it's not a stretch to envision Vickers lining up behind one of the best blocking FB's in the country and following him through the massive hole between Andruzzi and Bentley. That means that Vickers could take carries and TD's from Droughns as well.

If you draft early, you should probably knock RD down a bit on your list.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Droughns schedule alone should put him below some of the guys mentioned already. It is brutal.

Steelers 2 x

Baltimore 2 x

Denver

TB

Carolina

San Diego

KC (surprisingly tough vs. run statistically last year)

That is 9 really though matchups. Sure Winslow, Edwards and Frye may end up being future stars, but I think they will need another year to get there. THere will be lots of 8 men in the box daring Frye to throw.

The argument in favor of Droughns is not solely about the skill position improvements on the offense. The O-line got significantly better this offseason.

 

[chris1969]

I agree they have a tough schedule, but in the AFC North, they always do. They play the Steelers and Ravens twice every year btw.

One thing you might not have noticed is the early part of their schedule is pretty easy. They could very well be 4-1 going into their bye week . They don't play a returning QB till week 5 (assuming Palmer isn't back in week 2). This means you should get good trade value out of Droughns (or their Def for that matter) in week 4.

 

[rascal]

Last year against some of those tough run defenses (total fantasy points)

Steelers (6.5 and 18.3)

Baltimore (4.5 and 5.3)

Not great, but when you consider that their o-line is at least one grade better, it's safe to assume that he should put up 10-20% better numbers against those teams. He only had 2 TD's last year, if he can keep the yards but increase that TD total he will be a suprise to many. Plus he is a good receiving back, and with a Frye the new QB he may be dumping off to Droughns a lot and they will try to keep thre pressure off of Frye by establishing a running game.

 

[BGP]

For those that believe the Browns O has nowhere to go but up due to the O-line additions, what about the loss of the Browns top WR and QB from last year?

The game of football is about winning in the trenches. If your OL can start pushing the other club's DL around, your skill-position players will suddenly look better.For example, one of the biggest issues with Frye last year was that C Jeff Faine was terrible at pass protection at times. DLs would basically run him over and Frye wouldn't even be able to step back with the ball before he was getting mauled. We have a pro-bowl talent at center now.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Take it from a Brown's fan, If (and it's a big if) he comes out of camp as the undisputed full time starter, then he'll put up even better numbers than last year. The OL is twice as good as last year and Offense is better as a whole.

But.............................

Last year Suggs was clearly better in camp than Droughns and even though Romeo planned on using both in thunder and lightning type roles, it was pretty clear Suggs was gonna get the majority of the carries before he got hurt.

And it's looking more and more like RBBC in Cleveland this year. The Browns drafted Harrison as a change of pace back and they've picked up a UFA named Chris Barclay that looks equally able to fill that role. They are not anything to put on your fantasy roster, but one of them will take carries away from the starter. THEN in the very next round the Browns drafted the top rated FB in Vickers. "Why would they draft a FB when they have Terrell Smith?", you ask. They plan on using Vickers as both a recieving FB and as a short-yardage back. He played both FB and TB in Colorado and is very versital, in fact Colorado called him their V-Back for versatility. He even lined up at TE and WR a few times. Given that the Browns struggled to get short yardage rushing TD's it's not a stretch to envision Vickers lining up behind one of the best blocking FB's in the country and following him through the massive hole between Andruzzi and Bentley. That means that Vickers could take carries and TD's from Droughns as well.

If you draft early, you should probably knock RD down a bit on your list.

Good info. I'll keep an eye on this.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

For those that believe the Browns O has nowhere to go but up due to the O-line additions, what about the loss of the Browns top WR and QB from last year? 

For example, one of the biggest issues with Frye last year was that C Jeff Faine was terrible at pass protection at times. DLs would basically run him over and Frye wouldn't even be able to step back with the ball before he was getting mauled. We have a pro-bowl talent at center now.

If that was the Browns real reason for acquiring Bentley then you should be worried. Bentley allowed more sacks than Faine in each of the last three seasons:LeChuck's Stats

Faine's Stats

 

[Armando]

The only appealing thing about Droughns is that it doesn't take much to handcuff him. I'm definitely not sold he's the long-term guy there.

 

[BGP]

For those that believe the Browns O has nowhere to go but up due to the O-line additions, what about the loss of the Browns top WR and QB from last year?

For example, one of the biggest issues with Frye last year was that C Jeff Faine was terrible at pass protection at times. DLs would basically run him over and Frye wouldn't even be able to step back with the ball before he was getting mauled. We have a pro-bowl talent at center now.

If that was the Browns real reason for acquiring Bentley then you should be worried. Bentley allowed more sacks than Faine in each of the last three seasons:LeChuck's Stats

Faine's Stats

Stats like that doesn't tell me a whole lot. I know what I saw with Faine. I'll tell you what happens with Bentley when I see it.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

For those that believe the Browns O has nowhere to go but up due to the O-line additions, what about the loss of the Browns top WR and QB from last year? 

For example, one of the biggest issues with Frye last year was that C Jeff Faine was terrible at pass protection at times. DLs would basically run him over and Frye wouldn't even be able to step back with the ball before he was getting mauled. We have a pro-bowl talent at center now.

If that was the Browns real reason for acquiring Bentley then you should be worried. Bentley allowed more sacks than Faine in each of the last three seasons:LeChuck's Stats

Faine's Stats

Stats like that doesn't tell me a whole lot. I know what I saw with Faine. I'll tell you what happens with Bentley when I see it.

What those stats tell me is that you have no clue what you are talking about. Faine is not a great center and LeChuck probably is...but... Faine allowed only 3 sacks in 36 games with Cleveland. Your statement is flat out wrong: "one of the biggest issues with Frye last year was that C Jeff Faine was terrible at pass protection at times. DLs would basically run him over and Frye wouldn't even be able to step back with the ball before he was getting mauled."

As great as LeChuck was at "winning in the trenches" it didn't make much difference last year on a New Orleans team (3-13) with more talent at its skill positions than the Brownies.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

From KFFL via Sporting News:

Browns | Suggs will open camp No. 2; but can he remain there?

Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:49:36 -0700

Steve Doerschuk, writing for the Sporting News, reports Cleveland Browns talented, but often injured, RB Lee Suggs will open training camp as the team's No. 2 running back behind starting RB Reuben Droughns. Suggs is the most talented all-around back on the team. Suggs can also offer more breakaway runs both inside and outside. Suggs has bulked up to around 215 pounds, costing him just a shade of his good natural elusiveness. If he stays healthy, he could be the surprise player of 2006. If he is injured again, his days with the team may be numbered.

 

[BGP]

For those that believe the Browns O has nowhere to go but up due to the O-line additions, what about the loss of the Browns top WR and QB from last year?

For example, one of the biggest issues with Frye last year was that C Jeff Faine was terrible at pass protection at times. DLs would basically run him over and Frye wouldn't even be able to step back with the ball before he was getting mauled. We have a pro-bowl talent at center now.

If that was the Browns real reason for acquiring Bentley then you should be worried. Bentley allowed more sacks than Faine in each of the last three seasons:LeChuck's Stats

Faine's Stats

Stats like that doesn't tell me a whole lot. I know what I saw with Faine. I'll tell you what happens with Bentley when I see it.

What those stats tell me is that you have no clue what you are talking about. Faine is not a great center and LeChuck probably is...but... Faine allowed only 3 sacks in 36 games with Cleveland. Your statement is flat out wrong: "one of the biggest issues with Frye last year was that C Jeff Faine was terrible at pass protection at times. DLs would basically run him over and Frye wouldn't even be able to step back with the ball before he was getting mauled."

As great as LeChuck was at "winning in the trenches" it didn't make much difference last year on a New Orleans team (3-13) with more talent at its skill positions than the Brownies.

I really don't know what to tell you but to reiterate those stats don't tell you a whole lot. Faine struggled badly at times if you watched the games.

 

[schaef2k]

For those that believe the Browns O has nowhere to go but up due to the O-line additions, what about the loss of the Browns top WR and QB from last year?

For example, one of the biggest issues with Frye last year was that C Jeff Faine was terrible at pass protection at times. DLs would basically run him over and Frye wouldn't even be able to step back with the ball before he was getting mauled. We have a pro-bowl talent at center now.

If that was the Browns real reason for acquiring Bentley then you should be worried. Bentley allowed more sacks than Faine in each of the last three seasons:LeChuck's Stats

Faine's Stats

Stats like that doesn't tell me a whole lot. I know what I saw with Faine. I'll tell you what happens with Bentley when I see it.

What those stats tell me is that you have no clue what you are talking about. Faine is not a great center and LeChuck probably is...but... Faine allowed only 3 sacks in 36 games with Cleveland. Your statement is flat out wrong: "one of the biggest issues with Frye last year was that C Jeff Faine was terrible at pass protection at times. DLs would basically run him over and Frye wouldn't even be able to step back with the ball before he was getting mauled."

As great as LeChuck was at "winning in the trenches" it didn't make much difference last year on a New Orleans team (3-13) with more talent at its skill positions than the Brownies.

I really don't know what to tell you but to reiterate those stats don't tell you a whole lot. Faine struggled badly at times if you watched the games.

I watched every single Brown's game last year and in spite of the stats listed above (I have a hard time believing those are accurate) the 290lb Faine was pushed into the backfield all day long.If you can get some clips of the Browns and the Raiders from last year it will highlight Faine's inability to get any push at all. Big Ted Washington chucked him into the backfield repeatedly. It's interesting that Big Ted will get a rematch on Faine in the Browns opener. Faine is an undersized POS center who just plain sucks.

 

[Buckna]

From KFFL via Sporting News:

Browns | Suggs will open camp No. 2; but can he remain there?

Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:49:36 -0700

Steve Doerschuk, writing for the Sporting News, reports Cleveland Browns talented, but often injured, RB Lee Suggs will open training camp as the team's No. 2 running back behind starting RB Reuben Droughns. Suggs is the most talented all-around back on the team. Suggs can also offer more breakaway runs both inside and outside. Suggs has bulked up to around 215 pounds, costing him just a shade of his good natural elusiveness. If he stays healthy, he could be the surprise player of 2006. If he is injured again, his days with the team may be numbered.

Your bolded statements are just one writer's opinion.

 

[lebowski]

I like Droughns this year! I really don't think that anyone is going to challenge him for his job. Julius Jones, Reggie Bush, etc. are bigger risks than Droughns in my opinion. However, the one thing that has me worried the most is the charges he has against him. His case will be heard on Aug. 21 which is after my draft. He could get jail time and the fact that the charges were not dropped in the first place has me worried. Anyone homers hear anything on this lately?

 

[Buckna]

I like Droughns this year! I really don't think that anyone is going to challenge him for his job. Julius Jones, Reggie Bush, etc. are bigger risks than Droughns in my opinion. However, the one thing that has me worried the most is the charges he has against him. His case will be heard on Aug. 21 which is after my draft. He could get jail time and the fact that the charges were not dropped in the first place has me worried. Anyone homers hear anything on this lately?

Not a homer, but from what I have read the wife has already asked the Police to drop the charges multiple times. If thats true, with no witness willing to testify it's likely the charges will have to be dropped at the arraignment on the 21st.

 

[BGP]

For those that believe the Browns O has nowhere to go but up due to the O-line additions, what about the loss of the Browns top WR and QB from last year? 

For example, one of the biggest issues with Frye last year was that C Jeff Faine was terrible at pass protection at times. DLs would basically run him over and Frye wouldn't even be able to step back with the ball before he was getting mauled. We have a pro-bowl talent at center now.

If that was the Browns real reason for acquiring Bentley then you should be worried. Bentley allowed more sacks than Faine in each of the last three seasons:LeChuck's Stats

Faine's Stats

Stats like that doesn't tell me a whole lot. I know what I saw with Faine. I'll tell you what happens with Bentley when I see it.

What those stats tell me is that you have no clue what you are talking about. Faine is not a great center and LeChuck probably is...but... Faine allowed only 3 sacks in 36 games with Cleveland. Your statement is flat out wrong: "one of the biggest issues with Frye last year was that C Jeff Faine was terrible at pass protection at times. DLs would basically run him over and Frye wouldn't even be able to step back with the ball before he was getting mauled."

As great as LeChuck was at "winning in the trenches" it didn't make much difference last year on a New Orleans team (3-13) with more talent at its skill positions than the Brownies.

I really don't know what to tell you but to reiterate those stats don't tell you a whole lot. Faine struggled badly at times if you watched the games.

I watched every single Brown's game last year and in spite of the stats listed above (I have a hard time believing those are accurate) the 290lb Faine was pushed into the backfield all day long.If you can get some clips of the Browns and the Raiders from last year it will highlight Faine's inability to get any push at all. Big Ted Washington chucked him into the backfield repeatedly. It's interesting that Big Ted will get a rematch on Faine in the Browns opener. Faine is an undersized POS center who just plain sucks.

Nice to see that someone is watching the games. Stats are great but don't tell you everything and I think this is just one of those cases. I nominate you for official FBG Browns correspondent! I'm probably just a bit too controversial for that role lol. I'm looking forward to better things this year and in coming years with this team!

 

[PsychoMan]

i've learned to simply not draft guys that i'm just not excited to have on my team....

there's nothing worse than drafting a player who you never really wanted to draft in the first place (eventhough he's the best player on your cheatsheet) and watch him bore you to death with mediocre play that you fully expected before you drafted him....don't just take the next best availble; tier and take the guy that you actually like....if droughns busts out, well, at least it wasn't because you were an idiot (i mean, afterall, dunn and droughns were essentially going around the same time); but if he bombs, then you were definitely an idiot for drafting that bum (which you knew was going to happen anyway) in the first place...you have to like your team in order to enjoy FF...sure winning helps, but if your 0.500 and have a bunch of players that don't excite you, it'll be a long and tiresome season...

This completely hits home for me. Last yr, I took Curtis Martin and Kevin Jones at #2 & #3 because everyone else had them ranked higher than I did. Boy, did they bore me to death.

 

[chris1969]

For those that believe the Browns O has nowhere to go but up due to the O-line additions, what about the loss of the Browns top WR and QB from last year?

For example, one of the biggest issues with Frye last year was that C Jeff Faine was terrible at pass protection at times. DLs would basically run him over and Frye wouldn't even be able to step back with the ball before he was getting mauled. We have a pro-bowl talent at center now.

If that was the Browns real reason for acquiring Bentley then you should be worried. Bentley allowed more sacks than Faine in each of the last three seasons:LeChuck's Stats

Faine's Stats

Stats like that doesn't tell me a whole lot. I know what I saw with Faine. I'll tell you what happens with Bentley when I see it.

What those stats tell me is that you have no clue what you are talking about. Faine is not a great center and LeChuck probably is...but... Faine allowed only 3 sacks in 36 games with Cleveland. Your statement is flat out wrong: "one of the biggest issues with Frye last year was that C Jeff Faine was terrible at pass protection at times. DLs would basically run him over and Frye wouldn't even be able to step back with the ball before he was getting mauled."

As great as LeChuck was at "winning in the trenches" it didn't make much difference last year on a New Orleans team (3-13) with more talent at its skill positions than the Brownies.

I really don't know what to tell you but to reiterate those stats don't tell you a whole lot. Faine struggled badly at times if you watched the games.

I watched every single Brown's game last year and in spite of the stats listed above (I have a hard time believing those are accurate) the 290lb Faine was pushed into the backfield all day long.If you can get some clips of the Browns and the Raiders from last year it will highlight Faine's inability to get any push at all. Big Ted Washington chucked him into the backfield repeatedly. It's interesting that Big Ted will get a rematch on Faine in the Browns opener. Faine is an undersized POS center who just plain sucks.

I watched every game too and would disagree I thought Faine was adequate in pass blocking, but weak in run blocking. His problem is a lack of strength, but he shows good technique. The reason that he didn't give up a lot of sacks is because he's smart enough to stay in a guys way long enough for the QB to get the pass off. He can also finish a run block when his guy is not playing heads up on him. He's a health food nut and his diet really affected his strength. He's been supposedly bulking up the last 3 years and if I remember right was 290 as a rookie. It's tough to put on 30 pounds when all your eating is rice cakes. That being said, if he ever gives up the wacky diet, he could be a great center in the years to come. Remember that the Browns were planning on keeping Faine and playing Bentley at guard until Faine had a hissy fit about it. The weak link on the Browns line right now I think is Coleman, he's an average pass blocker and run blocker at best. Mark my words, Hallen will replace him as starter before the season is over. Hallen is the tough blue collar type guy that Romeo likes. I like the lines depth better too! Speaking of Washington pushing Faine around, guess who play each other in week 1.I am going to the Browns training camp this week and a few things I'll be looking for...

1) How many mental errors does Charlie Frye make? He won't be asked to win games this year, just not lose them.

2) Is KWII really 110% like everyone says he is. If Edwards takes a while to get back, KWII could lead the team in catches, AKA Alge Crumpler.

3) What WR's are lining up as starters. JJ is definately in the 2 spot. I just can't see Northcutt in the 1 spot, If he plays at 3 then that means either Frisman Jackson, Josh Cribbs or Travis Wilson will get the a lot of early catches until Edwards comes back.

4) Do the LB's know their jobs? The Browns flip-flopped Chaun Thompson and Matt Stewart and they will likely start the season with Jackson and Wimbley earning more and more playing time as the season goes on. In the 3-4 the LB's have a ton of different assignments depending on the calls on the field. I really like our depth at LB. The unknowns at LB are all a bunch of slobber-knockers and if you really want a treat, watch Unck, Speegle, ect... on special teams. I video taped a few plays last year and played the tape over and over for my friends. You wouldn't believe the hits those guys made!

5) Is this RBBC? It really sounds like that's what Romeo wants, but do we have the people?

I give you guys the scoop, when I get back. If you have anything you want me to check out for you let me know.

 

[MLBrandow]

chris1969, are you from thebrownsboard.com by chance?

 

[chris1969]

chris1969, are you from thebrownsboard.com by chance?

I am on the Dawgpound on Clevelandbrowns.com, but I don't post much. I'm more often found at Dawgbones.com. A much better sight as far as the boards go.

 

[lebowski]

Take it from a Brown's fan, If (and it's a big if) he comes out of camp as the undisputed full time starter, then he'll put up even better numbers than last year. The OL is twice as good as last year and Offense is better as a whole.

But.............................

Last year Suggs was clearly better in camp than Droughns and even though Romeo planned on using both in thunder and lightning type roles, it was pretty clear Suggs was gonna get the majority of the carries before he got hurt.

And it's looking more and more like RBBC in Cleveland this year. The Browns drafted Harrison as a change of pace back and they've picked up a UFA named Chris Barclay that looks equally able to fill that role. They are not anything to put on your fantasy roster, but one of them will take carries away from the starter. THEN in the very next round the Browns drafted the top rated FB in Vickers. "Why would they draft a FB when they have Terrell Smith?", you ask. They plan on using Vickers as both a recieving FB and as a short-yardage back. He played both FB and TB in Colorado and is very versital, in fact Colorado called him their V-Back for versatility. He even lined up at TE and WR a few times. Given that the Browns struggled to get short yardage rushing TD's it's not a stretch to envision Vickers lining up behind one of the best blocking FB's in the country and following him through the massive hole between Andruzzi and Bentley. That means that Vickers could take carries and TD's from Droughns as well.

If you draft early, you should probably knock RD down a bit on your list.

Do you think camp and preseason will show this? Everything I have read says Droughns is the undisputed starter. I saw Jim Brown on the NFL network and he was singing nothing but praises for Droughns. I still don't get this Suggs love. He played 8 games last year and got a whole 8 carries. Most people say that Droughns also has VERY good hands, so why would they pull him out on third down? Are you looking at this too deeply? I think Droughns is the most talented back in Cleveland and will be used the most.

 

[hollaatyaboy]

Take it from a Brown's fan, If (and it's a big if) he comes out of camp as the undisputed full time starter, then he'll put up even better numbers than last year. The OL is twice as good as last year and Offense is better as a whole.

But.............................

Last year Suggs was clearly better in camp than Droughns and even though Romeo planned on using both in thunder and lightning type roles, it was pretty clear Suggs was gonna get the majority of the carries before he got hurt.

And it's looking more and more like RBBC in Cleveland this year. The Browns drafted Harrison as a change of pace back and they've picked up a UFA named Chris Barclay that looks equally able to fill that role. They are not anything to put on your fantasy roster, but one of them will take carries away from the starter. THEN in the very next round the Browns drafted the top rated FB in Vickers. "Why would they draft a FB when they have Terrell Smith?", you ask. They plan on using Vickers as both a recieving FB and as a short-yardage back. He played both FB and TB in Colorado and is very versital, in fact Colorado called him their V-Back for versatility. He even lined up at TE and WR a few times. Given that the Browns struggled to get short yardage rushing TD's it's not a stretch to envision Vickers lining up behind one of the best blocking FB's in the country and following him through the massive hole between Andruzzi and Bentley. That means that Vickers could take carries and TD's from Droughns as well.

If you draft early, you should probably knock RD down a bit on your list.

Do you think camp and preseason will show this? Everything I have read says Droughns is the undisputed starter. I saw Jim Brown on the NFL network and he was singing nothing but praises for Droughns. I still don't get this Suggs love. He played 8 games last year and got a whole 8 carries. Most people say that Droughns also has VERY good hands, so why would they pull him out on third down? Are you looking at this too deeply? I think Droughns is the most talented back in Cleveland and will be used the most.

 

[BigRed]

Good point.

I am starting to rethink Droughns a little bit, lol, due to the length of this thread and the passion of the arguments.

lol. Kind of mixed feelings about Droughns too, but again I'm looking at him for RB3 at most, which I would be VERY happy with. Doubt it happens though. I was just bored and felt like talking FF

 

[BigRed]

I saw Jim Brown on the NFL network and he was singing nothing but praises for Droughns.

Which means absolutely zero, but I agree the Suggs' hype is mostly that. I can see maybe a "change of pace" thing but when you have a guy who can take the pounding and produce (and stay standing), IMO it's unlikely that's a guy they bench.

 

[lebowski]

I saw Jim Brown on the NFL network and he was singing nothing but praises for Droughns.

Which means absolutely zero, but I agree the Suggs' hype is mostly that. I can see maybe a "change of pace" thing but when you have a guy who can take the pounding and produce (and stay standing), IMO it's unlikely that's a guy they bench.

I heard Jim Brown was VERY involved in the Browns organization, so I wouldn't say this means nothing. Looking at the Browns website he is in an "exucutive" position.linkity-link-link

 

[Rockchild]

I saw Jim Brown on the NFL network and he was singing nothing but praises for Droughns.

He did the same for Maurice Clarrett too and we know how well that worked out.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[joffer]

seems kind of hard to imagine that they'd bench a guy who just had the best rushing season in the franchise's last 25 years.

 

[Marc Levin]

JJ is definately in the 2 spot. I just can't see Northcutt in the 1 spot, If he plays at 3 then that means either Frisman Jackson, Josh Cribbs or Travis Wilson will get the a lot of early catches until Edwards comes back.

Chris1969, who gets the early nod at WR1 if not Jurevicius?Didn't Jurevicius show that he could fill in for a while as the WR1 when he was with Seattle? Isn't that why the Browns grabbed him (since Edwards will be quite a ways out before healthy)?

If one of those other WRs you mentioned wins what is named the "WR1" role, do you still see JJ as trailing the WR1 in targets/catches?

 

[chris1969]

Take it from a Brown's fan, If (and it's a big if) he comes out of camp as the undisputed full time starter, then he'll put up even better numbers than last year. The OL is twice as good as last year and Offense is better as a whole.

But.............................

Last year Suggs was clearly better in camp than Droughns and even though Romeo planned on using both in thunder and lightning type roles, it was pretty clear Suggs was gonna get the majority of the carries before he got hurt.

And it's looking more and more like RBBC in Cleveland this year. The Browns drafted Harrison as a change of pace back and they've picked up a UFA named Chris Barclay that looks equally able to fill that role. They are not anything to put on your fantasy roster, but one of them will take carries away from the starter. THEN in the very next round the Browns drafted the top rated FB in Vickers. "Why would they draft a FB when they have Terrell Smith?", you ask. They plan on using Vickers as both a recieving FB and as a short-yardage back. He played both FB and TB in Colorado and is very versital, in fact Colorado called him their V-Back for versatility. He even lined up at TE and WR a few times. Given that the Browns struggled to get short yardage rushing TD's it's not a stretch to envision Vickers lining up behind one of the best blocking FB's in the country and following him through the massive hole between Andruzzi and Bentley. That means that Vickers could take carries and TD's from Droughns as well.

If you draft early, you should probably knock RD down a bit on your list.

Do you think camp and preseason will show this? Everything I have read says Droughns is the undisputed starter. I saw Jim Brown on the NFL network and he was singing nothing but praises for Droughns. I still don't get this Suggs love. He played 8 games last year and got a whole 8 carries. Most people say that Droughns also has VERY good hands, so why would they pull him out on third down? Are you looking at this too deeply? I think Droughns is the most talented back in Cleveland and will be used the most.

Don't get me wrong, its Droughns job to lose, but nobody should think its a slam dunk either, If Suggs outperforms RD in camp again this year, he probably won't be named the starter, but he will steal carries. The Browns loaded up on RB's this year for a reason. Romeo Wanted RBBC last year, but scrapped that plan when Suggs got hurt. As far as the guy that took Green, you should go ahead and dump him when you get the chance, He probably will be on the bottom of the depth chart if he makes the team.

JJ is definately in the 2 spot. I just can't see Northcutt in the 1 spot, If he plays at 3 then that means either Frisman Jackson, Josh Cribbs or Travis Wilson will get the a lot of early catches until Edwards comes back.

Chris1969, who gets the early nod at WR1 if not Jurevicius?Didn't Jurevicius show that he could fill in for a while as the WR1 when he was with Seattle? Isn't that why the Browns grabbed him (since Edwards will be quite a ways out before healthy)?

If one of those other WRs you mentioned wins what is named the "WR1" role, do you still see JJ as trailing the WR1 in targets/catches?

Playing JJ at anything but the 2 spot is a waste. Not that he can't fill in at #1, but he excels so much at going over the middle and making the tough catch. He will probably get more catches than the #1 anyway. (depending on how KWII pans out) He was brought in to do what Bryant couldn't, make the tough catch. I think that for the 4 weeks or so that Edwards is out, Frisman Jackson or Josh Cribbs will be put in the 1 spot. Savage did say though the day after the draft that Travis Wilson could start, and he looks to have the athletic ability for the 1 spot. I still give the leg up to Frisman Jackson though, he showed in the Cincy game. (8 rec, 128 yards) that he can play when called upon.

 

[lebowski]

Don't get me wrong, its Droughns job to lose, but nobody should think its a slam dunk either, If Suggs outperforms RD in camp again this year, he probably won't be named the starter, but he will steal carries. The Browns loaded up on RB's this year for a reason. Romeo Wanted RBBC last year, but scrapped that plan when Suggs got hurt. As far as the guy that took Green, you should go ahead and dump him when you get the chance, He probably will be on the bottom of the depth chart if he makes the team.

What evidence is there that Romeo wants RBBC? If he did I would have thought that He would have gotten other RB's more carries. I can understand wanting to reduce the punishment on your #1 RB, but that is all. Droughns is the most talented RB in Cleveland and he will be used the most.One of the comments you had earlier that I could see is maybe they brought in some RB's to steal goaline carries to punch the ball in. Keep us posted on what the media is saying in C-town.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Any way the Brownies can get Faine back?

 

[chris1969]

Don't get me wrong, its Droughns job to lose, but nobody should think its a slam dunk either, If Suggs outperforms RD in camp again this year, he probably won't be named the starter, but he will steal carries. The Browns loaded up on RB's this year for a reason. Romeo Wanted RBBC last year, but scrapped that plan when Suggs got hurt. As far as the guy that took Green, you should go ahead and dump him when you get the chance, He probably will be on the bottom of the depth chart if he makes the team.

What evidence is there that Romeo wants RBBC? If he did I would have thought that He would have gotten other RB's more carries. I can understand wanting to reduce the punishment on your #1 RB, but that is all. Droughns is the most talented RB in Cleveland and he will be used the most.Last year, Romeo's plan was to have Drougns as Mr. Inside and Suggs as Mr. Outside, AKA thunder and lightning he said it over and over again. He even said that Green would have the opportunity to earn some carries. The reason he did go to that was because Suggs got hurt and Green had trouble waiting for his blocks to set up.

One of the comments you had earlier that I could see is maybe they brought in some RB's to steal goaline carries to punch the ball in. Keep us posted on what the media is saying in C-town.

If anyone does it, it will be Vickers. If doesn't win the job, I wouldn't think anyone else could beat out Droughns. Suggs is probably a downgrade in short yardage

Any way the Brownies can get Faine back?

Well, I would never say never, but I believe that ship has sailed.

 

[wadegarrett]

Any way the Brownies can get Faine back?

Wow. That's hilarious.

 

[hollaatyaboy]

UHoh, now Bentley is injured...

 

[schaef2k]

Any way the Brownies can get Faine back?

You must be a saints fan You can keep that tofu eating, stubby armed alien.