DURING the Rookie Draft, Can You Drop Players To Make Room For Pick? (1 Viewer)

[bjlmonster]

I am truly surprised by the results of this poll. I believe having to make the tough decisions and cut players in May and June before your draft is a huge part of this game. Do you make a mistake and keep/cut the wrong guy. Sure, but so do NFL teams after seeing people in preseason and because they just don't have a roster space for them! Make the tough decisions and live with them. Most of us only cut 2-4 guys anyways. Last weeks draft,

I cut a defense, kicker, and made the tough decision to give up on Andre Brown due to achillies injury. Cutting anyone else for a 4th round rookie pick was not worth it. Some teams in my league cut 6 guys and made 6 picks as they valued the late rookie picks more than the vets on their rosters. Make the decision on how many picks you think you want to pick, make the cuts and draft those players,

The difference being that the NFL team GET TO SEE THEM PERFORM IN CAMP/PRE-SEASON. Why shouldn't we?I don't think any setup here is necessarily wrong, but I strongly prefer expanded rosters in off-season for this reason. NFL teams routinely have 75+ players signed at this point in the year...and many of our leagues won't allow even a 3 or 4 man expansion? Sorry...I don't get that.

Because the NFL has things like contracts for one. For another, these are vets that you have had a year or two or three to figure out if they are worth a roster spot or if you should cut them and take a chance on a rookie. Expanded rosters are okay and I am in a new league that expands from 25 to 30 in offseason and in another that is straight 25 max all the time. I actually don't mind not having expanded rosters as it rewards the savy FF player who does the research and makes the right moves!

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

I am truly surprised by the results of this poll. I believe having to make the tough decisions and cut players in May and June before your draft is a huge part of this game. Do you make a mistake and keep/cut the wrong guy. Sure, but so do NFL teams after seeing people in preseason and because they just don't have a roster space for them! Make the tough decisions and live with them. Most of us only cut 2-4 guys anyways. Last weeks draft, I cut a defense, kicker, and made the tough decision to give up on Andre Brown due to achillies injury. Cutting anyone else for a 4th round rookie pick was not worth it. Some teams in my league cut 6 guys and made 6 picks as they valued the late rookie picks more than the vets on their rosters. Make the decision on how many picks you think you want to pick, make the cuts and draft those players,

No thank you very much. There are many ways to made decisions hard, like smaller roster sizes. Making someone cut players = number of picks they have is ridiculous, unless you're just dropping a player before you pick so your roster is legal. What if I want to trade those picks for future picks during the draft because of who's left by the time it's my pick?

You keep all your picks. Once you have reached your max roster, either your pick is skipped or you trade it. You only lose the picks you don't use or can't trade and by the 4th or 5th round, those picks have minimal value.

You just don't get it. I give.

 

[Mister CIA]

Simple yes or no - To keep from exceeding roster limits, are you allowed to drop a player from your roster during rookie drafts?

Am I allowed to drop a player during rookie drafts? Yes. In fact, our league rules stipulate that I must. Draft a player, drop a player. Originally we had to drop before the draft, but the league voted to change the rule last year.Unless you're in my league, though, I don't know what relevance this has for you. Sounds like someone's dynasty league needs a better rulebook.

Sounds like we've both played in leagues where the rules changed. Thanks for the unnecessary critique.

 

[ookook]

In general, I think the easiest and fairest way is to allow the roster maximum to be exceeded in the draft and then have three days to be in complaince.

 

[coolnerd]

I am truly surprised by the results of this poll. I believe having to make the tough decisions and cut players in May and June before your draft is a huge part of this game. Do you make a mistake and keep/cut the wrong guy. Sure, but so do NFL teams after seeing people in preseason and because they just don't have a roster space for them! Make the tough decisions and live with them. Most of us only cut 2-4 guys anyways. Last weeks draft, I cut a defense, kicker, and made the tough decision to give up on Andre Brown due to achillies injury. Cutting anyone else for a 4th round rookie pick was not worth it. Some teams in my league cut 6 guys and made 6 picks as they valued the late rookie picks more than the vets on their rosters. Make the decision on how many picks you think you want to pick, make the cuts and draft those players,

The really is that many of us do cut the obvious players before our rookie drafts start, but want the flexibility to make decisions during the draft without being handcuff by an exact ratio of players to picks. For us, having to make a tough decision without all the infomation (i.e some player we really like falls further we thought or someone offers us a trade we did not expect) is not really adding strategy, but limiting options to make good choices not tougher ones.

 

[DoubleG]

Our league does it a little differently than many who have posted here.

During the season we have 21 roster slots. You must have 1 starter and 1 backup for each slot - (i.e. we start 1QB, 2RB, 3 WR, 1 TE and 1K - so everyteam must carry 2QB, 4RB, etc.) for a total of 16. The other 5 slots can be any position you want. A week prior to our "rookie" draft, everyone has to cut down to the required 16 (i.e. 1 starter and 1 backup/slot). Those 5 extra players are thrown in with the rookies and the draft goes from there.

In terms of the add/drop rule, you can add/drop on the fly (it usually happens right at the end - the last round or two.) Any player dropped is INSTANTLY available to be drafted by another team.

Actually, I love the format. The draft is a little more interesting with some decent vets spinkled in (there's always one or two who is good enough to go in the first round) - it also facilitates some interesting trades right before the cut down date, as owners realize they're going to have to cut someone fairly good so they put them on the trading block a week or so before cutdown day. Just as an example, this year I'll have to cut Dustin Keller (I have Gates and Finley) - but I am trying to trade him for a 3rd rounder.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

In our league we don't do the dropping until after the draft...while technically during the draft the rosters are illegal I think it is worth the trade off because you can evaluate your post-draft roster before you make your cuts.

I'm in one league that does this. You basically lose the ability to sign FAs, and there's also a deadline to get back down, but no need to free space beforehand.I'm in another that does cuts before the draft.Don't really have a preference.

 

[CaptainHook]

how can anyone answer a question about what rules your league has

though i will say that making people perfectly estimate how many rookies they will draft ahead of time is completely ######ed

 

[FunkyTeaParty]

how can anyone answer a question about what rules your league hasthough i will say that making people perfectly estimate how many rookies they will draft ahead of time is completely ######ed

I am in an IDP/Dynasty and we have a 35 man roster in season and 40 offseason.On draft day you can draft as many guy as you want and you have to be back to 40 by the end of the day.

 

[massraider]

I am truly surprised by the results of this poll. I believe having to make the tough decisions and cut players in May and June before your draft is a huge part of this game. Do you make a mistake and keep/cut the wrong guy. Sure, but so do NFL teams after seeing people in preseason and because they just don't have a roster space for them! Make the tough decisions and live with them. Most of us only cut 2-4 guys anyways. Last weeks draft,

I cut a defense, kicker, and made the tough decision to give up on Andre Brown due to achillies injury. Cutting anyone else for a 4th round rookie pick was not worth it. Some teams in my league cut 6 guys and made 6 picks as they valued the late rookie picks more than the vets on their rosters. Make the decision on how many picks you think you want to pick, make the cuts and draft those players,

The difference being that the NFL team GET TO SEE THEM PERFORM IN CAMP/PRE-SEASON. Why shouldn't we?I don't think any setup here is necessarily wrong, but I strongly prefer expanded rosters in off-season for this reason. NFL teams routinely have 75+ players signed at this point in the year...and many of our leagues won't allow even a 3 or 4 man expansion? Sorry...I don't get that.

Because the NFL has things like contracts for one. For another, these are vets that you have had a year or two or three to figure out if they are worth a roster spot or if you should cut them and take a chance on a rookie. Expanded rosters are okay and I am in a new league that expands from 25 to 30 in offseason and in another that is straight 25 max all the time. I actually don't mind not having expanded rosters as it rewards the savy FF player who does the research and makes the right moves!

You are ignoring the point more than one person has made. You keep talking about what the NFL has, and what the NFL has to do, but the NFL doesn't have to cut anyone during the draft, or even during training camp.

 

[corpcow]

The majority of my leagues now are contract leagues, where you have to actually "sign" your rookies (with the salary based on draft position). So, no, you don't have to make room before the draft - only when adding the rookies to your active roster.

It's a great system... more leagues should use it... and to the point where I'm pretty much cutting out other formats

 

[DropKick]

I'll say "yes" because, in principle, you should always have the freedom to release a player.

However, I suspect that people like JohnnyU are misinterpreting the poll result. I'm in favor of releasing players prior to the draft - complying with whatever league constraints are in place. That's just part of the game. We don't literally drop a player/pick a player - and I don't prefer or want that format.

I think the poll itself is flawed without some assumptions of league format (keeper/dynasty) and other rules. For example, I play in a deep keeper (12 players) with positional limits (such as 2 TEs). Once pared to twelve, I may have no reason to drop a player during the draft... but could if a blue chip TE prospect fell to me in the draft.

In general, any mid-draft trades usually balance picks. So if I traded a RB for a 1st round pick, I would typically "balance" the trade by sending my last pick to the team giving me the first rounder.

 

[massraider]

In general, any mid-draft trades usually balance picks. So if I traded a RB for a 1st round pick, I would typically "balance" the trade by sending my last pick to the team giving me the first rounder.

What kind of draft are we talking about? Redraft? Then I'd agree. Otherwise? People don't throw in picks to balance stuff out.

 

[DropKick]

Yes, we must drop however many we plan to draft a week before the draft.

OMG that's wrong on so many levels.

Why so arrogant? Leagues have constraints. You seem to want your cake and to eat it too... reluctant (or unwilling) to release players but still wanting the draft picks (or at least their trade value?)If you want the players so badly, can't you just forfeit the picks?

 

[DropKick]

In general, any mid-draft trades usually balance picks. So if I traded a RB for a 1st round pick, I would typically "balance" the trade by sending my last pick to the team giving me the first rounder.

What kind of draft are we talking about? Redraft? Then I'd agree. Otherwise? People don't throw in picks to balance stuff out.

Why not? If two teams have a set number of keepers and roster limits, doesn't it make sense to use a late pick for that purpose? We draft 9 rounds rookie... I could care less about that 9th rounder if I'm trading up in the draft.

 

[massraider]

In general, any mid-draft trades usually balance picks. So if I traded a RB for a 1st round pick, I would typically "balance" the trade by sending my last pick to the team giving me the first rounder.

What kind of draft are we talking about? Redraft? Then I'd agree. Otherwise? People don't throw in picks to balance stuff out.

Why not? If two teams have a set number of keepers and roster limits, doesn't it make sense to use a late pick for that purpose? We draft 9 rounds rookie... I could care less about that 9th rounder if I'm trading up in the draft.

Well, I agree that if there are set roster limits, like on most redrafts, then it makes sense. And I have done that in keeper/redrafts. But if we are talking about rookie drafts, then for the most part we are talking about dynasty, right?In dynasty, if some guy wants my first rounder, and wants to give me a 1 and a 2, I don't wanna have to give him a later pick just to balance stuff out. Those later picks have value, small as it may be. You are basically giving away a draft pick. You don't care about your 9th round rookie pick? Great, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to not care about them.How many dynasty trades have you been in where late round picks were throw-ins? Quite a few, I'd guess. That is giving away picks for free. I don't like any sysstem where I have to give something for nothing because of some arbitrary roster limit.

 

[DropKick]

In general, any mid-draft trades usually balance picks. So if I traded a RB for a 1st round pick, I would typically "balance" the trade by sending my last pick to the team giving me the first rounder.

What kind of draft are we talking about? Redraft? Then I'd agree. Otherwise? People don't throw in picks to balance stuff out.

Why not? If two teams have a set number of keepers and roster limits, doesn't it make sense to use a late pick for that purpose? We draft 9 rounds rookie... I could care less about that 9th rounder if I'm trading up in the draft.

Well, I agree that if there are set roster limits, like on most redrafts, then it makes sense. And I have done that in keeper/redrafts. But if we are talking about rookie drafts, then for the most part we are talking about dynasty, right?In dynasty, if some guy wants my first rounder, and wants to give me a 1 and a 2, I don't wanna have to give him a later pick just to balance stuff out. Those later picks have value, small as it may be. You are basically giving away a draft pick. You don't care about your 9th round rookie pick? Great, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to not care about them.How many dynasty trades have you been in where late round picks were throw-ins? Quite a few, I'd guess. That is giving away picks for free. I don't like any sysstem where I have to give something for nothing because of some arbitrary roster limit.

Don't even dynasty formats have roster limits? If not, then there is no need to "balance" the picks.You're putting too much emphasis on the value of that late pick. If someone will bite on an offer for a high pick, I'm going to focus on the positives of that early selection - not dwell on the late round "throw in".

 

[massraider]

You're putting too much emphasis on the value of that late pick. If someone will bite on an offer for a high pick, I'm going to focus on the positives of that early selection - not dwell on the late round "throw in".

I'm putting emphasis on giving away anything of value for free. What happens if you someone else offers you a trade down? Better yet, what if all you have is your first 3 draft picks? And someone wants to trade up for your pick. Now what, you've got to throw in a 3rd rounder, or a body from your roster? Forget that.

Don't even dynasty formats have roster limits? If not, then there is no need to "balance" the picks.

That's what we've been talking about. That's the point of the entire thread. And yes, dynasty formats have roster limits, but many of them allow for slightly expanded rosters during the offseason, with a cut down date during training camp, just like the NFL.

 

[BucFan40]

This has been a very interesting read. I came into this with with one process in mind, but now see the other side a bit. So I can honestly say there is no right or wrong. I will say that a lot of this depends on if it's a dynasty, when the draft is being held, if vets are included in the draft and when the cuts need to be made.

Our league drafts in late August and vets are included. We have a roster limit of 36 (IDP). If we cut to 36, we don't draft, cut to 33 and we draft 3... This has always seemed fair to me because it allows the weaker teams to cut 6 or 7 and try to rebuild, where the stronger teams cut 2 or 3.

But I really like the idea of having cuts after the draft. Every NFL team gets the same # of picks, the decision to keep their 6th or 7th rounder is made after the draft, not before. The one thing I don't like about not cutting players before the draft is that some start-able vets may not be included, then just go into FA.

Maybe a hybrid of the two would work. You cut your roster down to the limit, whatever that may be, all owners get the same amount of rookie picks, then you make another round of cuts back down to your limit right before the season starts.

I forgot to mention that all of this is assuming that you have an expanded roster going into the draft.

 

[massraider]

Maybe a hybrid of the two would work. You cut your roster down to the limit, whatever that may be, all owners get the same amount of rookie picks, then you make another round of cuts back down to your limit right before the season starts.

That's no hybrid, that's exactly what expanded rosters are. Zealots leagues, that a lot of people round here do, have 53 man rosters, and can expand to 60 in the offseason. Now, they do free agency and so forth in the offseason, but you cannot go above 60. They are always in a rush to do the rookie drafts, most of them are done in early May. Essentially, they have 7 extra guys on the team, and have to make roster decisions by Sept. 1 or whatever.

 

[BucFan40]

Maybe a hybrid of the two would work. You cut your roster down to the limit, whatever that may be, all owners get the same amount of rookie picks, then you make another round of cuts back down to your limit right before the season starts.

That's no hybrid, that's exactly what expanded rosters are. Zealots leagues, that a lot of people round here do, have 53 man rosters, and can expand to 60 in the offseason. Now, they do free agency and so forth in the offseason, but you cannot go above 60. They are always in a rush to do the rookie drafts, most of them are done in early May. Essentially, they have 7 extra guys on the team, and have to make roster decisions by Sept. 1 or whatever.

This makes sense. I guess I was just thinking about the league I'm in, we don't have free agency in the off season, just trades. Either way, I think all owners should draft the same amount and then have final cuts. All of these other issues are really determined on when the leagues draft is.