mightyeskimo
Footballguy
Didn't see a thread on this or a spotlight to bump. No link but its on the news blog. Who's the backup? Does it matter? Is the TE important in the Dolphin offense?
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Dustin Keller Out For Season (1 Viewer)
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Casting Couch
Footballguy
Sad for the kid. There is no worthwhile backup. Dion Sims, Egnew, or Charles Clay. 
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Wouldn't be surprised to see Philbin try to acquire a TE from his old team (Packers)
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Kevin Boss might find himself with a new job. Randy McMichael, I would say no, Todd Heap-no,
Evan Moore, former Cleveland Brown is walking the streets. Choices are limited.
Evan Moore, former Cleveland Brown is walking the streets. Choices are limited.
eNdblu
Footballguy
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Dolphins TE Dustin Keller tore his ACL, MCL, PCL and, as if that weren't enough, dislocated his knee, per source.
Dolphins TE Dustin Keller tore his ACL, MCL, PCL and, as if that weren't enough, dislocated his knee, per source.
loose circuits
Footballguy
Evan Rodriguez is in that mix as wellSad for the kid. There is no worthwhile backup. Dion Sims, Egnew, or Charles Clay.
loose circuits
Footballguy
why would they do that? They have depth at TE and what makes DJ Williams any better than those guys? Quarless has injury issues. Just not sure with the logic because Miami has some guys there that could play. Sims for one, is a guy they drafted and has played well who could develop into an Alge Crumpler type. Egnew has improved, etc...
JackReacher
Footballguy
Agree on Sims, but have seen no improvement out of Egnew. Even with Keller out, I'd be surprised if he makes 53 man
zamboni
Footballguy
I feel bad for Keller. As a Jets fan, I always liked him, and even with him on Miami was planning on rooting for him (except when against the Jets). I don't recall what the market for his services were, but he allegedly turned down a longer term deal when his value wasn't that high, and instead took a one-year deal to pump up his market value for 2014.
So he hurt himself financially as well as physically.
So he hurt himself financially as well as physically.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Flip side is he has made hundreds of thousands if not at least a million or two since he entered the league and if his radio interviews are any indicator, perhaps a future in broadcasting might not be a stretch. He has lots of connections, more advantages than the average person, will be on him to utilize his network so he can plan on life after football. I think this could be a career killer or not much over vet minimum from here on out. Modern medicine, you never know, but I would be planning for life after football were I him.
zamboni
Footballguy
I hear you - not like we need to start any charity drives for him. He's made a lot of money - maybe not as much as most of us in the FFA have made, but he's OK.
Still, I do feel for the guy to have a promising career likely cut short.
MAC_32
Footballguy
egnew is the third best te from Missouri the last five years, and the other two are out of the league already. It's sims or no one.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Tough break for Keller. Thoughts n prayers on his recovery, it's going to be a long year. Go Boilers!
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Well, supposedly they've been making phone calls to acquire another TE, so evidently my comment isn't crazy.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'd like to hear more about this depth we have at TE. Egnew and Sims have caught how many balls int he NFL so far?(None) How about we add Clay and get a grand total of 34 receptions in 2 years. Clay is in year 3, Egnew year 2, Sims a rookie. I would say Miami is in deep #### right now but of course I have fans glasses on so please help me out here.
not so uncommon to dislocate once everything else is torn.
They should talk to the Eagles about a trade as they seem to have too many now.
What a bummer. I had just come around on him last week. I hadn't previously been a fan - seemed like a bit of a one trick pony (too small to block well) and had Sanchez throwing him the ball, but I thought he might've been a 70 catch guy with Tannehill.
At least it happened in the preseason so if they're able to put him back together, he'll have a shot at making a roster next year. Daunte Culpepper wasn't ever the same after his injury which I remember being similar to this.
At least it happened in the preseason so if they're able to put him back together, he'll have a shot at making a roster next year. Daunte Culpepper wasn't ever the same after his injury which I remember being similar to this.
WampusCat43
Footballguy
Now hearing potential nerve damage as well. Doctor friend of mine described it as "his lower leg just hanging by a bag of skin". :X
Shutout
Footballguy
Charles Clay is the play here if someone feels inclined.
I think it might be a worthwhile addition. Wallace is there to be used but he will also command drawing defenses out of the short middle. I think the Dolphins might use the short game, Hartline, Miller, and their Tes to work that.
I would not pick up the guy thinking he is my starter but in a game of attrition, you could probably do worse in a year where so many impact TEs have been knocked out.
I think it might be a worthwhile addition. Wallace is there to be used but he will also command drawing defenses out of the short middle. I think the Dolphins might use the short game, Hartline, Miller, and their Tes to work that.
I would not pick up the guy thinking he is my starter but in a game of attrition, you could probably do worse in a year where so many impact TEs have been knocked out.
Actually, I would think Gibson would be the play here. They didn't bring in Keller to block, so I would think this would just lead to an increase in 3WR sets rather than a significant amount of looks for a backup TE.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't think anyone sees a meaningful fantasy bump here. Dolphins TE's were not big parts of the game plan, so without Keller I'd expect more of the same. Gibson may see an uptick, but enough to start him? Ever? Can't imagine.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Not his fault, you have to tackle low.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Can you really blame Goodell when he made the rule to protect the NFL from lawsuits brought on by players for hitting high? Then the players come back and complain that taking away those hits is leading to worse injuries low.
It sounds like the players are the ones that can't get on the same page. The current players say they would rather be hit high than low, but then the former players are suing the NFL for those exact hits that the current players say they want to be legal.
It seems to me like Dustin Keller's knee ligaments just cut a check for some greedy player from the 70's who says he didn't realize there were negative effects to putting on a uniform and smashing into other large men for a living.
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Shutout
Footballguy
I'm not a dolphins expert but from what I remember of clay, he seemed to be a guy that went down the middle of the field and is much more of a receiver type. I was thinking they really don't have the talent to go 3 wide as a basis of their team but could use the short passing game and two TEs more effectively
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Plenty of available body to tackle between head and knee.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Did you watch the debate between Darren Sharper and Willie McGinest on NFLN about this? Sharper's point is that smaller guys (like 200 and so) have only 2 options, go high or go low. This is because if they properly form tackle, they'll fail to get the guy down. McGinest says all defensive players need to have the stones to properly tackle around the torso. Commercial break, then Sharper comes back and says "Willie how much did you weigh?" McGinest says "260" and Sharper acts like his point was made.Andy Dufresne said:
I don't really buy Sharper's argument, but it's petty illuminating on the attitudes of DBs and smaller LBs have regarding tackling in this league.
Papa John's
Footballguy
It's going to be tough to go 3 WR sets with the O-line in Miami. With all this attrition, I see them a little better but not as improved as we thought they'd be when all the Ireland moves were initially made.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Older players are sueing because they were told to keep playing and practicing while they were concused. Goodell has done a great job with concusion awareness and making indpendent DRs clear the players, but were seeing the effects on the field of the restriction of hitting high. Players wared that they'll be aiming at knees and now their doing it.FreeBaGeL said:
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And here is where the debate needs to be settled. I am all for a tackle that must be made above the knees and below the head, if a guy breaks the tackle which is what football is designed and about more so than the modern game, but allow true tackles to be made in this middle area and if a guy is just plum bigger or stronger and can break a few tackles, bring back the Larry Csonka era instead of this over inflated passing exclusive game it has evolved into.
Somewhere it became a problem that some people were just gonna be born bigger and re going to have a natural edge over others, that is just part of genetics but that has been wiped out of the modern game over the last 2-3 decades with steroids and supplements. Until they make this sport completely organic with a ban on anything man made and strip these players down to whatever they can amass in the gym on their own, this game is going to continue the downward slide away from what the sport was founded on.
loose circuits
Footballguy
now compare that with what green bay has behind finley and show me the big difference Those young guys all have potential. You have to start somewhere. How many catches did Gates have after his rookies season? Not saying those guys are Gates, but sometimes it takes time to develop
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
They may be able to put in someone to block so who knows? Keller was a receiver almost exclusively
You might be right, but they brought Gibson in this year for a reason. They knew he was going to be the third WR. He was going to get looks even with Keller. But now that Keller is out, I think they utilize their free agent acquisition even more. From what I remember reading, I think Gibson was having a good camp. I think he'll be worth $2 in the subscriber contest at the very least...Shutout said:
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
If Miami can get Wallace and Hartline fed first. The WR3 option might be 3/36 weekly.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Reminds me of the injury Daunte Culpepper had his last season in Minny. He did so much damage, I remember reading a quote by his surgeon that the lower portion of his leg was basically attached to the upper portion by little more than the skin. Somehow he made it back and actually played in 4 games for the Dolphins the next season. He was never the same though, and never played in more than a couple of games a season for a few years after the injury.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Has anyone ever hit for the knee injury cycle and torn ACL, MCL, PCL and LCL?
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
I've never heard of anyone who has torn all 4 knee ligaments. Culpepper, Keller and a few others I can remember having torn three of four and had additional damage (tendons, cartilage...) I do remember reading a story of a HS kid who had to have his lower leg amputated, but I think it was an open fracture and blood vessel damage.MoveToSkypager said:
the worst I can think of was Napoleon Mccallum. Here's the synopsis of hisinjury: "He'd suffered a dislocated knee. Three ligaments had been torn, ripping his calf and hamstring muscles from the bone, and he'd suffered nerve and artery damage as well."
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Robert Edwards. Full tears of the ACL, MCL, and PCL, and a partial tear of the LCL while playing flag football on the beach during the Pro Bowl. Doctors almost had to amputate his leg. He did not play football again for 3 years.MoveToSkypager said:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1141818/
That's not the first time I've heard this offseason that he wants to coach.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Hard to believe that there actually has to be a rule prohibiting players from attacking the head, and then even more so that players use it to scapegoat.
