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That's horrible news on Bowe. Yes, agreed that if he was dedicated he would have showed up in shape. Geez. What is it with these guys? How much do you want to bet he gets into shape before the 2011 season (contract year).
That's just one of many obstacles holding Bowe back. Fitzgerald's camp is a positive indicator, but it's hardly a panacea.
I'm not a huge Bowe fan, but the things I've heard this off-season, especially after the "importing" comments have been all positive. I was listening to KC sports talk 3-4 weeks ago after a mini-camp and the guys were talking about how Bowe had a completely different attitude, looked like he was having fun out on the field for the first time since he was a rookie and even commented that if he played in a major media market that he would have been crucified for his comments. I guess the local media pretty much gave him a pass and they thought it may have been a wake-up call that he didn't get much flack because people had already moved on and didn't think much of him and didn't expect much out of him and that it would be a make or break season, where he would likely be heading out of town if he didn't improve in 2010. In the past he has been indifferent about dropping balls and making mental mistakes, so something has changed because they were raving about his play in the camp and his fresh attitude...basically trying to prove people wrong.
It was never verified that he was using PEDs. The substance they found was merely a diuretic. Yes it is something people would use as a masking agent for PEDs, but its also something a player might use when he has a new coach who has made demands his players come into training camp (as this happened late summer '09) at a certain level of conditioning (if you couldn't pass the rigorous conditioning test he gave, you weren't allowed to take part in camp, you had to ride the bikes and run until you could). New Coach Haley wanted everyone to lose weight, since KC so often got beat in the 4Q of games under Herm Edwards. Herm was not into having his players be conditioned as much as Haley wanted (and that was apparent by the team losing around 500lbs total over the duration of Haley's first training camp).So I think to make the statement "when he isn't juicing" isn't something that can be said so matter-of-factly. Looking at the offensive this year, there is a credible running threat teams will have to respect with JC/TJ. Chambers and McCluster are going to demand attention, and I think Bowe will not always have people glued to him. With Charlie now at the helm as OC, they have someone who knows what he is doing and how to utilize these players, and specifically I think Bowe who will be in for a year that takes him back to form. He has been at or over 1000 recYds for two of his three season, remember.
Hehe yep thats why I tried to qualify the state with at or over995 as a rookie
I know during 2007 he had at least one reception longer than 5 yards called back by some phantom Offensive PI on Tony G, so I'll consider his rookie campaign 1000+ hehe
Somewhat in line with Siggy, I figure Bowe is the type who would benefit from Fitz's camp but, when it's time to do things himself, he tanks it.When it comes time to self-motivate, he has shown he cannot do it.
I disagree. I think a lot of young WRs are used to just showing up and being the best player on the field. They've never put in the grueling hours it takes to be the best in the NFL because, frankly, they've never had to. Then when they go work out with the guy who IS the best in the league and they see what it takes to get there, I think it can be eye-opening. I don't think a week of work in itself is really going to make that much difference, but I think it can be eye-opening and, if they're lucky, change their approach to the game.To borrow an example from basketball... Carmelo Anthony was never a very dedicated player. He was always kind of lazy. He's got probably the deadliest, most complete offensive game in the entire NBA, but he never worked at refining it, and his view on defense was the less he had to play, the better. Then he joined the Olympic team and a funny thing happened. He started working out with LeBron James and Dwyane Wade and Jason Kidd. Most importantly, he started working out with Kobe Bryant. He saw just how intensely Kobe worked at perfecting his craft, how driven he was, how seriously he took the little things. Carmelo saw how Bryant relished doing all the things that most young players hate to do because he knew they'd make him better. Ever since he joined the Olympic team, Carmelo has been a different player. He's refined his offensive game, he has better practice habits, he even plays some defense from time to time. Working out with the best players in the game and seeing what it took to get there had a lasting positive effect on Carmelo Anthony and his approach to basketball. I could easily envision Fitz's camp having a similar effect on a young, starry-eyed receiver like Dwayne Bowe.
Here's the quoteI don't think the article specifically says he is out of shape, it just was him saying the workout was harder than he was expecting. He could be in great shape or bad shape this bit of news doesn't really tell you much. I wouldn't be ready to throw him under the bus yet.
Anyone else think it's a little odd to take two weeks off of workouts this close to training camp?
I do.Here's the quoteI don't think the article specifically says he is out of shape, it just was him saying the workout was harder than he was expecting. He could be in great shape or bad shape this bit of news doesn't really tell you much. I wouldn't be ready to throw him under the bus yet.
Anyone else think it's a little odd to take two weeks off of workouts this close to training camp?
I read the blurb from FBG daily email and didn't read the entire article. I didn't know he took 12 days off before an upcoming grueling work out. I could see why people are questioning his condition/mindset now. 
I would tend to agree with this. The fact that Bowe shows up to Fitz's camp out of shape is a major red flag...almost as if why show up if you aren't going to position yourself to make best use of the time you spend there.I've been pretty clandestine about my liking of Chris Chambers as a major sleeper this year...I'd be looking into grabbing him late. His 9 game line (36/608/4) on a passing offense that didn't hit 6 YPA might be an area to pick up a very valuable and cheap WR3.
I'm not sure Chambers is that great a guy to target. As a chiefs fan I get the sense that they're gonna focus on the short to intermediate passing game in that system and I don't think that Chambers is gonna dominate the targets to make the kind of impact that he did last season. But with that being said, I think the passing offense will improve greatly and Chambers' price is real cheap so not a lot of risk to invest in an improved passing attack. My play is to get even cheaper and pick up McCluster in PPR or Cassel as a QB3.
We have had this argument before and I maintain the same thing: the NFL isn't interested in taking their star players off the field for four games for being on a diet. If you don't believe he is taking PEDs then take a look at his neck. I have been watching football and football players for 40 years. I know a guy who is juicing. But in this case the visual appearance is confirmed by a drug test and a suspension that was not appealed.
For anyone else? Yes. For Bowe? No.But I look at it this way- as far as anyone can tell he probably took 2-3 weeks off before TC last season the kind of shape he showed up in- so this year it will be 1 week less fat and 1 week more exercise. That is enough for a small bump imo.Sigmund Bloom said:Here's the quoterapidskies said:I don't think the article specifically says he is out of shape, it just was him saying the workout was harder than he was expecting. He could be in great shape or bad shape this bit of news doesn't really tell you much. I wouldn't be ready to throw him under the bus yet.
Anyone else think it's a little odd to take two weeks off of workouts this close to training camp?
Unless he gets hurt at camp, it won't hurt him. Sure his numbers might decline this year, but I don't thin that will be a result of this camp........so then your vote would be remains the same.
Playing devils advocate you could say that he was resting his body and letting all the little injuries and nagging sprains heal. You have to think his cardio and muscle groups would not be that behind with 2 weeks of straight rest so maybe just maybe he is trying to go into this thing with absolutely no nagging anythings at all. Moose Muhammed once told me in Charlotte that there is always something sprained or bruised or hurt in your body even in the offseason.But since this is Bowe we are talking about I doubt any of the above applies. That said he is an absolute steal in the 6th round.Sigmund Bloom said:Here's the quoterapidskies said:I don't think the article specifically says he is out of shape, it just was him saying the workout was harder than he was expecting. He could be in great shape or bad shape this bit of news doesn't really tell you much. I wouldn't be ready to throw him under the bus yet.
Anyone else think it's a little odd to take two weeks off of workouts this close to training camp?
I disagree. We are talking about his perceived value. Negative publicity like showing up for the Fitz camp in poor conditioning does hurt his value.
