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Dwayne Bowe (1 Viewer)
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redman
Footballguy
Another Pac-10 WR who will dominate!
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Maybe they will bring Trent Green back.
LBH
Footballguy
maybe they will trade for pennington. Hes better than Croyle
suchislife
Footballguy
Its info like this that keeps me coming back to the 'Pool during the offseason. Where else can you get this kind of in-depth analysis?
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I thought it would be Sidney Rice?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Just starting a discussion topic dedicated to Bowe for the offseason...he's a rare talent.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
When you consider his lengthy hold out and the QB shuffling this year in KC, I think his rookie year was just as impressive as Colston's and Clayton's.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Bowe's 70/995/5 was impressive but the two you mentioned were on another level.--Clayton had 80/1193/7, with Griese starting 10 games, Johnson starting 2 and Simms starting 4.--Colston had 70/1038/8 in 14 games, and hobbling for a few too.Bowe had a good season, a great one for a rookie, but those other two were on another tier.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
His point is that the holdout and the QB shuffle affected the numbers, but considering the great numbers he did put up....puts him in the same boat.Bowe's 70/995/5 was impressive but the two you mentioned were on another level.--Clayton had 80/1193/7, with Griese starting 10 games, Johnson starting 2 and Simms starting 4.--Colston had 70/1038/8 in 14 games, and hobbling for a few too.Bowe had a good season, a great one for a rookie, but those other two were on another tier.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Big fan of Bowe. Not a big fan of Herman Edwards and the offensive system he supports. Until that changes, Bowe will not have the opportunity to become a #1-type FF producer.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
My point was that since Clayton had superior numbers and (even more) shuffling QBs and Colston had far superior numbers in 14 games overcompensates for what was holding Bowe back.Bizkiteer said:His point is that the holdout and the QB shuffle affected the numbers, but considering the great numbers he did put up....puts him in the same boat.Chunky Soup said:Sweet Love said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Already came to this conclusion mate as he finished around WR 25 last year. The guy for the most part can only do better unless he gets hurt and you can't really predict that.So, if you take Bowe anywhere around WR 22-28 consider that a very solid pick.LHUCKS said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
One more thing, when you say next Superstar, could you be a little more specfic in terms of when and maybe how big is big.Next season, are you projecting top 10, top 15? In 3 seasons from now, are you predicting top 5?For the record, in his current situation I have him in the 15-20 range.LHUCKS said:
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
is this a inside joke? or did the Pac 10 Drastically realign to add LSU and i hadn't heard?redman said:Another Pac-10 WR who will dominate!LHUCKS said:
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
King of the Jungle said:
Randy Moss in Oakland Averages:779 yards, 5.5 TDs. 14 games played. Keep in mind he did this at 27 and 28 years old. What should be his absolute prime. Bowe may have a ton of talent, but he could be stuck as a low end #2 WR until his situation improves....drastically.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
cant wait for the kevin walter thread :WINK:
I like Bowe
But his QB stinks. Talent >> opportunity at this point
I like Bowe
But his QB stinks. Talent >> opportunity at this point
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
With that said, he finished 24 last year in fantasy points as WR. He was only a rookie and pretty much got better as the season went on. You mentioned he doesn't have much to work with, but he didn't have much to work with last year.I only see him getting better. I'd agree that if you're talking about an elite status, meaning top 5 in the NFL he'll probably have to get a better QB but my feeling is that this guy has the type of athleticism to be a top 5 guy.If I were in a dynasty league. I'd make some off season moves to get him BEFORE they do end up getting someone who we consider a quality passer, because as you'd imagine, by then it's too late.King of the Jungle said:It's seems obvious, but many forget in their off-season rankings that talent means little without opportunity. For receivers, they need a QB and an offensive system to get them the ball.Just ask Randy Moss.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I think it is when you're talking about the WR 20-25 range. I'd take talent over opportunity.Now, if you're talking about top 10.....then that's where you have to take a step back and say, maybe not. It really depends on what specfically we're talking about and what time frame.
Avery
Footballguy
I don't really disagree with anything your saying here.With that said, he finished 24 last year in fantasy points as WR. He was only a rookie and pretty much got better as the season went on. You mentioned he doesn't have much to work with, but he didn't have much to work with last year.I only see him getting better. I'd agree that if you're talking about an elite status, meaning top 5 in the NFL he'll probably have to get a better QB but my feeling is that this guy has the type of athleticism to be a top 5 guy.If I were in a dynasty league. I'd make some off season moves to get him BEFORE they do end up getting someone who we consider a quality passer, because as you'd imagine, by then it's too late.King of the Jungle said:
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krsone21
Footballguy
I disagree with this posting completely. For one Moss was injured in his time with Oakland plus he pretty much quit on the team. If Moss had played his heart out for the team, sucky team or not I wager his numbers would have been much better. As long as Bowe doesn't let the success go to his head and keeps on playing hard I think he can improve on his numbers, even on a crappy team.King of the Jungle said:Randy Moss in Oakland Averages:779 yards, 5.5 TDs. 14 games played. Keep in mind he did this at 27 and 28 years old. What should be his absolute prime. Bowe may have a ton of talent, but he could be stuck as a low end #2 WR until his situation improves....drastically.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
What do you agree with, that he's going to be a star next year or sometime in the future.I guess as I think more about his statement, he is saying BEFORE people work on their projections, which I'm assuming means next year I guess unless he's speaking of dynasty ranking where most people would probably have him ranked higher due to his young age.I agree 110% with you LHUCKS.LHUCKS said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Dynasty I loveRe-draft this season? unless something changes at QB, and even if they go Matt Ryan round1 or Chad Henne round2 or keep the bums they have. I dont like his situation. Im letting someone else overpay for him this year in redraft
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
you wont get him that cheapBowe ==even with Brodie slinging it. If you can get him for WR3 prices or cheaper I think he'll end up as a very nice bargain.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Maybe not, but it's possible - the ? at QB, the ? about how the offense will work with LJ on the come back trail, and Herm should keep the price down. I'm pretty sure he'd earn his keep if taken as the 20th or later WR. Obviously the position will change through the offseason.you wont get him that cheapBowe ==
Banger
Footballguy
He's talented but rare talent? There's a good chance that he won't be as good as a couple other wr's in his class although he did come in in a talented class. Herm is a run 1st, 2nd, 3rd and punt kind of coach, they have one of the worst lines in the league and one of the worst qb's in the league. He's got talent but needs more talent around him. I like him but he can't throw the ball to himself.
Dynasty wise I'd be all over him, redraft, not so much.
Dynasty wise I'd be all over him, redraft, not so much.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I can't recall, but when is the last time that a rookie WR who had a "promising" first year improved in his sophomore year? All the "hot" rookie WRs I can think of of the top of my head:
Boldin
Colston
Clayton
Gardner
All regressed their second season.
I'm sure there is a study that shows rookie WRs who finished Top 30 and then their stats their sophomore year. My guess is most did not do better.
The only guy I can think of is Randy Moss.
Boldin
Colston
Clayton
Gardner
All regressed their second season.
I'm sure there is a study that shows rookie WRs who finished Top 30 and then their stats their sophomore year. My guess is most did not do better.
The only guy I can think of is Randy Moss.
GSWarriors
Footballguy
Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Tory Holt come to mind, same with Lee Evans, Roy Williams.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
If Colston regressed I'll take that kind of regression every year
King of the Jungle said:It's seems obvious, but many forget in their off-season rankings that talent means little without opportunity. For receivers, they need a QB and an offensive system to get them the ball.Just ask Randy Moss.
exactly. You CANNOT consider a WR as "elite" or "WR1" or whatever material until you take into consideration the offensive system. To compare, MBIII is a top talent, yet the system he is in prevents him from truly shining. Put MBIII on the 90s Cowboys, and you would see insane production. Bowe is a talent. No doubt. But he is not surrounded by talent. At least Tony Gonzo can keep people off Bowe's back all the time.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I got him as my WR#3 in a recent 16 team survivor draft.you wont get him that cheapBowe ==
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
he was wr31 off the board. sounds about right. he went at 25 & 26 in WSL2,3.I also think come August his value will steadily increase in H2H.Bowe is a great survivor pick cause you can handle his bad games better.I got him as my WR#3 in a recent 16 team survivor draft.you wont get him that cheapBowe ==
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
I agree, which is why I'm notifying this messageboard now...get your projections right the first time fellas!!
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Bowe, because he's more of a TD threat...plus I'm not totally enamored with Rice.
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az_prof
Footballguy
Isn't the Clayton parallel a warning example? In other words, a great rookie season as a WR does not prove that a guy is going to be a dominant WR. Clayton has all but disappeared. I think the second season is crucial because he needs to prove consistency.
Chunky Soup said:Sweet Love said:
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I think it is unwise to use Clayton as an "example."He was quite a unique situation...a statistical anomaly.
I'll second that. Colston needs to come off that list, his numbers were better across the board except YP catch.
In what world is going from a rookie year of 70-1038-8 to a second year of 98-1202-11 regressing? He was #11 in my PPR league this year and #17 last year even with missing almost 4 games in 2006 and having a horrific first 6 games in 2007. He could easily be a top 5 fixture if he and the Saints put together a good 16 games.I love Colston and think he will continue to do well. That offense, sans McAllister, will pretty much be the same for the next few years. Don't forget how bad the Saints started this year. Here are Colston's splits:First 626-263-2Last 1072-939-9He was averaging 7-94-1 over his last 10 games. That is a hell of a pace. Imagine if the Saints didn't flop around in the first 6. Over 16 games, his last 10 game pace would be 115-1502-14. Only Moss with a record setting year had a 16 game season above that pace.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Was posted in the "The D. Bowe Show" thread.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=343977
Chadstroma
Footballguy
As already said- you need to have some improvement in Croyle's game for Bowe to be the next superstar. I think this is the more important factor. He did put up a decent rookie year in the KC offensive system as is. The real factor to watch is Croyle. That being said, the offense is likely to place a ceiling on what he can do even if Croyle really develops.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
In our draft we just had, he went around WR 23 or something like that, maybe 24. You think that was overpaying? I don't, not when he was 24 already last season. I remember when he was drafted because I wanted him and he was taken right before me.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I think Bowe, mainly because he's better.
