Goodson has fantasy starter upside, but he's a huge knucklehead. I would definitely have Jennings in my top 24, but none of these other RBs. Gibson, Thomas, Wallace are intruiging, but they have obvious limitations that are typical of dynasty rookie draft mid-round picks.
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[DYNASTY] 2009 Top 24 Rookies (1 Viewer)
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Chachi
Footballguy
In a non-ppr league i highly doubt Ringer or Davis make it to round 3. As for the others all I was saying is I don't think getting someone like Iglesias/Barden/Collie or others in the 3rd round is weaker than last year.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Thurman Thomas may be another good comparison. 5'10" 206lbs. http://www.thurmanthomas.net/gallery/
Check out photo #7
http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_mclaugh...in/photostream/
Brown full body shot in photo on right.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Relative term I guess, 4.51 is faster than I am, but I'm not being scouted. He is barely in the top 20 WR 40 times. You can call that fast, I call it roughly average.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
....is 4.49 fast? is 4.47 fast? At what point is fast fast in your mind?
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awesomeness
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For one, Thomas was in a different era. And although their size is similar, Brown's running style isn't similar to Thurman Thomas.
Great writeup.I'm starting to cool on McCoy, but he is still a potential RB1 in a PPR league given his versatility and ability to make people miss in the open field. I think his strength is a bit underrated, but I would like to see him prove it by maintaining his balance after big contact. At worst, this guy is Flex Jones, making him a solid 1st Round pick in any dynasty draft, but not a surefire #1 overall.
Crabtree is a natural talent and he will be #1 on my board unless he goes to Oakland and McCoy goes to Cleveland (or maybe 'Zona).
Moreno might have had an unspectacular performance at the combine, but I think he's a surefire RB2 in Year 1 if he goes to the right team. His toughness and natural shiftiness will get him playing time right away, and if he develops into a more patient runner, he should have at least a few years as a top 10 fantasy back.
Greene, I don't see as a bellcow back, at least not right away. His maturity has been questioned by scouts, and I'm not sure he will be drafted high enough to warrant him being given a shot to start in year 1. Sure the average NFL run is 4 yards, but coordinators are looking for a guy that can break the big one in a starting back. Greene is a punishing runner with great balance, but he does not offer the versatility (pass catching) to be a fantasy stud in a PPR league. Sure he could vulture alot of TDs on the right team, but I don't think he's as safe a pick as you suggest given the question marks.
Harvin also has alot of question marks as a pure WR prospect. Either he got really bad advice at the combine, or he's really not a natural hands catcher at all. To not run the pass-catching drills in my mind does not say alot. Nobody has very high expectations of him killing those drills, so why not at least compete to show you can maybe prove some people wrong. His strength is underrated by some, but as a receiver he lacks experience. And that will keep him from becoming a top 10-20 WR in PPR leagues, at least until he gains some valuable experience (like, 3 full seasons worth IMO). His raw speed and quickness warrant being picked high in any dynasty draft, but I see alot of risk there.
Maclin is a guy who should absolutely be ranked higher than Harvin (at least). He has the experience, speed, hands, and quicks you look for in a wideout. The only question in my mind is weather he has the mindset to put it all together and work hard on his route running. If he does that, there is nothing keeping him from being the next Torry Holt. God forbid his hyperextension is a sign of things to come... knock on wood.
DHB has Moss' size and deep speed, which is a downright scary thought. He strikes me as a hard worker and the only thing I can question at this point is his natural hands (couldn't possibly be as strong as Moss), and ability to make sharp cuts. He doesn't have a whole lot of experience thanks to his horrible QBs in college, but he has the raw talent to be a top 10 fantasy WR on any NFL team. I'll take him over Harvin in any draft.
Wells definitely belongs in the "first tier" of anyone's rankings. We all have the same questions- desire, toughness, etc. Only question is weather he can prove doubters wrong and mature mentally before his superb talent starts to fade. If he can put it together, he will have a few RB1 seasons ahead of him. Count me as a doubter also, but I would pick him within the 5-9 range in any draft.
Donald Brown definitely has the natural vision and running ability that a star RB possesses. Mayock questions his pateience, but I didn't see that as the biggest knock on him. I agree with EBF in that he doesn't have the elite explosiveness of a star back. Which makes sense because he reminds me of more of an older guy like Curis Martin. With a little coaching, this guy has the attitude and overall skillset to be given a chance as an everydown back, but it probably won't happen right away unless he is put in an ideal situation. Funny, I can see him taking the same path as another dominating Big East back of recent memory.
Nicks, Britt are solidly in most peoples' 2nd tier of WRs and rightfully so. Britt has an impressive 2nd gear, but I wonder what he can do in short/intermediate routes. Nicks is definitely more polished and has underrated athleticism when compared side-by-side with a guy like Britt in person. Both have the potential to be a 1b-type guy in the NFL, like Boldin. I can see them moving ahead of just about any RB depending on what teams the RBs go to.
I agree with EBF, in that it's tough to say how a QB will play out given that alot depends on situation and coaching. Neither of these guys should be starting from Day 1 in the NFL, but if they are properly groomed, they have the tools to become top 15 fantasy QBs along the lines of Phillip Rivers.
I see your Dillard goggles haven't faded. His unique skillset will help, but it won't turn him into a threat to become a #1 fantasy WR. I think you've convinced half the FBGs now that he's a surefire top 15 pick, but given the fact that he almost certainly won't be drafted on Day 1 will probably knock him down a few slots. He might possibly be a value pick if he gets past 2 rounds of a typical dynasty draft. But I don't think you expect too much out of these third tier guys anyhow.
As for the rest of 'em, Tate is an interesting case. I would've loved to see him at the combine, but I can't rank him in my top 20 given the injury questions and lack of experience. He would be a good player to trade for in year 3 of his NFL career I think. I'm just not that impressed with Sheets Sure he was impressive in college, but what Big Ten back isn't? He is no better of a prospect than Rashad Jennings, James Davis, and Javon Ringer to name a few. All teh xeperts talk up Goodson, but why not Peerman? At least the guy has a head on his shoulders and is willing to work hard to earn an opportunity. Nice to see him on the list, even though he probably will never be a 20-carry-a-game guy. Massaquoi was supremely dissapointing at the combine and there's no way he should be ranked ahead of Robiskie. All the Robiskie haters won't get him left out of the first day of the draft if I had to guess. At this point I like Buter ALOT more than Jordan Norwood and even more than Derrick Williams. Although I don't predict great statistical success for any of these guys.
EBF
Footballguy
There's a difference between timed speed and playing speed. Bernard Berrian ran a 4.5 at the combine. I have no doubt that he would smoke Robiskie on the football field. Robiskie doesn't have the playing speed to run by defenders. Most scouting reports echo that criticism.
EBF
Footballguy
I like him and I mostly agree. The lack of speed and explosiveness is an issue though.
We'll agree to disagree here. I really like the overall package and I think he'll be a 1000+ yard guy at some point in the NFL.
Eddie Royal and DeSean Jackson showed us last year why you should never underestimate a freak athlete. I think Harvin is talented enough to make a significant immediate impact. The lack of experience doesn't worry me. The talent is there. It didn't take Royal long to pop and I don't see why it would take Harvin three years to learn how to run a route and catch. I think he can already do those things. It's not his fault that his coaches used him in the backfield.
I like him. I think he has a high ceiling. I wouldn't fault anyone for taking him as one of the top 2 WRs.
Which of the WRs ranked below him are better? He was the best college receiver of anyone on this list outside of Crabtree and although he lacks great foot speed, he has excellent inherent WR skills and insane hops (had the highest vertical leap and the longest broad jump of any WR at the combine). 14 seems like a reasonable ranking given his overall profile. I don't think he's a sure thing and I know he probably won't be a top 60 pick in the draft, but he can play ball.
Disagree. I think he's better than all of those guys. He looks like the real deal on the field and he destroyed the combine with a 4.47 40, a 37" vertical leap, and a 10'1" broad jump. He was the only back besides Donald Brown to finish in the top 10 in all three of those drills. And he's more than just a workout guy. He had high YPC averages throughout his career. The only thing he lacks is size. If he was 220 pounds I would project him as a starter at the next level. As it stands it's kind of hard to predict how he'll be used.
Robiskie will probably be a 2nd round pick. In every draft class there are some guys who get picked high and go on to have mediocre careers. I see Robiskie as one of those guys. Massaquoi will probably be a bust, but he has more upside.
BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
I saw most OSU games this year and while I'm not necessarily too high on Robiskie, I wonder if their lack of a solid passing attack plays into this view a little bit. Until the last few games of the season, Pryor consistently underthrew the ball on deep routes, generally by at least 5 yards. That led to a lot of Robiskie and Hartline jump balls, making it appear they had not separated from the defender.
Granted, he'll probably never run a faster 40 in his life than he did at the combine (his form was flawless), but he has enough speed and KNOWHOW to separate at the next level. He's not going to be a superstar, but he's got that attitude and work ethic that will make him an underrated slot WR ala Hines Ward/Derrick MasonYou make a good point on Harvin, and we have been comparing him to Royal all along- but for him not to run at the combine drills- wtf? I'm still not sold that DeSean Jackson or Eddie Royal will ever be stud fantasy WRs. He's still in my top 4 WRs.We'll probably disagree on Jennings, Greene, Dillard, Sheets, Robiskie, and Massaquoi more than anyone.
Any late round sleepers, or do you not want to give that away?
EBF
Footballguy
Well some of the guys on this list could be late round picks. Dillard, Tate, Butler, McKinley, Sheets, and Peerman could fall to the 4th-6th range. As far as sleepers go, there's no one out there who I plan to draft in all of my leagues. QB Stephen McGee looked good at the Shrine Game and seems like a good candidate to stash in deep leagues. Maybe one of those Shrine Game RBs like Javarris Williams or Gartrell Johnson could succeed in the right situation. WR Brennan Marion from Tusla put up monster stats in college and seems like a decent late round option.I think you have to cast a wide net if you're looking for the next Marques Colston or Pierre Thomas. Anyone who gets drafted is worth a look and anyone who makes a roster has a chance. I'm sure the draft will uncover plenty of names that I'm missing.Any late round sleepers, or do you not want to give that away?
Rovers
Footballguy
Reading your comments, and not agreeing with the Brown-F Jones comparison, I reread this, and changed the date to 1995! CURTIS MARTIN is a guy that I should be very high on. Despite all of that, I'm having a hard time getting excited about him. I think it might be because he's a bit of a size/speed tweener. He has tremendous lateral agility, but he doesn't have the raw speed of a typical small back and he doesn't have the size and power of a workhorse type. So what's his role at the next level? Hard for me to say. I think you need to pay close attention to where he lands on draft day. He could be nice on a team that's willing to give him a starting job. At the same time, I actually think he's gone from being underrated to being slightly overrated. Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but I don't view him as a can't-miss starting caliber back.It's simply not possible to project ANY can't miss starting caliber back. The list of illustrious busts is long and storied. The year Martin was drafted it was Ki-jana Carter. But the paragraph you wrote could have been about Martin back in 1995. Martin, 5-11, 210. Brown, 5-10 1/4, 210. They both had several 200 yard games in college. Neither was a speed demon, neither were great power runners, and there plenty of college prospects that have displayed more elusiveness. They do share a superior work ethic, an unusual amount of humilty, admirable character traits, superior athletisism and coachability. No one talent jumps out at the observer, but they do many things very well while not doing anything that would earmark them as a potentially great NFL RB. Martin was great... but he only won the rushing title once. Still, you would want him on your team even though he never looked like Barry Sanders or Emmit Smith. I know it's near blasphemy, and I'm certainly not about to garantee or even suggest Brown is some HoF'r in waiting, but won't rule out that Brown could be as good as Martin was. The similarities are there, and I don't think the comparison is wildly exagerated.
EBF
Footballguy
If you want to be optimistic about Donald Brown, there are plenty of good reasons. I'm not going to sit here and say he's a garbage prospect with zero chance of success. However, these rankings reflect my personal opinion and my personal opinion is that he never really popped off the screen like I would have expected an elite prospect to do.He's still in my top 10 overall players and my top 5 RBs. If he goes to a team with a starting position available, he'll be pretty high on my final list.
In my mind, I view Donald Brown like I did Forte, Rice, and Smith in '08. A guy that will/should get drafted after guys with higher ceilings, but expect really solid production assuming a good landing spot. I liked Rice the most pre-draft, but landing in Baltimore caused me to drop him behind Forte and Smith. If Brown lands in the right spot, I may move him up ahead of Greene and maybe ahead of Moreno, Wells, McCoy if they land in bad situations.
Rovers
Footballguy
Reading your comments, and not agreeing with the Brown-F Jones comparison, I reread this, and changed the date to 1995!
CURTIS MARTIN is a guy that I should be very high on. Despite all of that, I'm having a hard time getting excited about him. I think it might be because he's a bit of a size/speed tweener. He has tremendous lateral agility, but he doesn't have the raw speed of a typical small back and he doesn't have the size and power of a workhorse type. So what's his role at the next level? Hard for me to say. I think you need to pay close attention to where he lands on draft day. He could be nice on a team that's willing to give him a starting job. At the same time, I actually think he's gone from being underrated to being slightly overrated. Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but I don't view him as a can't-miss starting caliber back.
It's simply not possible to project ANY can't miss starting caliber back. The list of illustrious busts is long and storied. The year Martin was drafted it was Ki-jana Carter. But the paragraph you wrote could have been about Martin back in 1995.
Martin, 5-11, 210. Brown, 5-10 1/4, 210. They both had several 200 yard games in college. Neither was a speed demon, neither were great power runners, and there plenty of college prospects that have displayed more elusiveness. They do share a superior work ethic, an unusual amount of humilty, admirable character traits, superior athletisism and coachability. No one talent jumps out at the observer, but they do many things very well while not doing anything that would earmark them as a potentially great NFL RB. Martin was great... but he only won the rushing title once. Still, you would want him on your team even though he never looked like Barry Sanders or Emmit Smith.
I know it's near blasphemy, and I'm certainly not about to garantee or even suggest Brown is some HoF'r in waiting, but won't rule out that Brown could be as good as Martin was. The similarities are there, and I don't think the comparison is wildly exagerated.
If you want to be optimistic about Donald Brown, there are plenty of good reasons. I'm not going to sit here and say he's a garbage prospect with zero chance of success. However, these rankings reflect my personal opinion and my personal opinion is that he never really popped off the screen like I would have expected an elite prospect to do.
He's still in my top 10 overall players and my top 5 RBs. If he goes to a team with a starting position available, he'll be pretty high on my final list.
No problem, I undestand we are all offering opinions here, and no one is wrong or right at this point. Every year, I seem to find one or two prospects I really like. Knock on wood, they usually pan out. I've been on a bit of a run with these hunches, which likely means I will strike out looking very soon! Cutler, Marshall, Slaton, Revis, Kevin Smith and Breaston are my recent hits. Misses include Willis and Ware. Jury still out on the likes of Bush, Clowney, Ratliff. Ratliff maybe should not be included... I marked him last year in TC before he had those great pre-season games.
It's all fun, and I'm not telling you you are wrong, other than the D Brown - F Jones comparison. I see those two as quite different. This is exactly why I prefer dunasty leagues. Get these projections right... you are golden. Having said that, it's like baseball. Average over .300 with some home runs, yer good.
PS: maybe some day I will figure out how to use the quotes feature ....
CURTIS MARTIN is a guy that I should be very high on. Despite all of that, I'm having a hard time getting excited about him. I think it might be because he's a bit of a size/speed tweener. He has tremendous lateral agility, but he doesn't have the raw speed of a typical small back and he doesn't have the size and power of a workhorse type. So what's his role at the next level? Hard for me to say. I think you need to pay close attention to where he lands on draft day. He could be nice on a team that's willing to give him a starting job. At the same time, I actually think he's gone from being underrated to being slightly overrated. Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but I don't view him as a can't-miss starting caliber back.
It's simply not possible to project ANY can't miss starting caliber back. The list of illustrious busts is long and storied. The year Martin was drafted it was Ki-jana Carter. But the paragraph you wrote could have been about Martin back in 1995.
Martin, 5-11, 210. Brown, 5-10 1/4, 210. They both had several 200 yard games in college. Neither was a speed demon, neither were great power runners, and there plenty of college prospects that have displayed more elusiveness. They do share a superior work ethic, an unusual amount of humilty, admirable character traits, superior athletisism and coachability. No one talent jumps out at the observer, but they do many things very well while not doing anything that would earmark them as a potentially great NFL RB. Martin was great... but he only won the rushing title once. Still, you would want him on your team even though he never looked like Barry Sanders or Emmit Smith.
I know it's near blasphemy, and I'm certainly not about to garantee or even suggest Brown is some HoF'r in waiting, but won't rule out that Brown could be as good as Martin was. The similarities are there, and I don't think the comparison is wildly exagerated.
If you want to be optimistic about Donald Brown, there are plenty of good reasons. I'm not going to sit here and say he's a garbage prospect with zero chance of success. However, these rankings reflect my personal opinion and my personal opinion is that he never really popped off the screen like I would have expected an elite prospect to do.
He's still in my top 10 overall players and my top 5 RBs. If he goes to a team with a starting position available, he'll be pretty high on my final list.
No problem, I undestand we are all offering opinions here, and no one is wrong or right at this point. Every year, I seem to find one or two prospects I really like. Knock on wood, they usually pan out. I've been on a bit of a run with these hunches, which likely means I will strike out looking very soon! Cutler, Marshall, Slaton, Revis, Kevin Smith and Breaston are my recent hits. Misses include Willis and Ware. Jury still out on the likes of Bush, Clowney, Ratliff. Ratliff maybe should not be included... I marked him last year in TC before he had those great pre-season games.
It's all fun, and I'm not telling you you are wrong, other than the D Brown - F Jones comparison. I see those two as quite different. This is exactly why I prefer dunasty leagues. Get these projections right... you are golden. Having said that, it's like baseball. Average over .300 with some home runs, yer good.
PS: maybe some day I will figure out how to use the quotes feature ....
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loose circuits
Footballguy
I think you are missing the boat on Rashad Jennings. Don't write him off because he went to a small school. Guy started at Pitt as a true freshmen before transferring to be closer to his ailing father (shows maturity and family values). He's got the size/speed combo...
Rodeojones
Footballguy
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Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
I didn't realize that most guys run 40 yards before hitting the hole. Short shuttle time is probably more relevant than 40 time, if this particular issue is your pet issue.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Sigh. People never miss a chance to take a shot around here do they? Was that really called for?Do you happen to have his short shuttle time?I was just asking a freaking question.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
Could be, but Hines has never been described as "fast". You're not a "fast" WR these days unless you approach 4.40 IMO.Granted, he'll probably never run a faster 40 in his life than he did at the combine (his form was flawless), but he has enough speed and KNOWHOW to separate at the next level. He's not going to be a superstar, but he's got that attitude and work ethic that will make him an underrated slot WR ala Hines Ward/Derrick Mason
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Right, and neither is Robiskie, which is why I made the comparison.FUBAR said:Could be, but Hines has never been described as "fast". You're not a "fast" WR these days unless you approach 4.40 IMO.Granted, he'll probably never run a faster 40 in his life than he did at the combine (his form was flawless), but he has enough speed and KNOWHOW to separate at the next level. He's not going to be a superstar, but he's got that attitude and work ethic that will make him an underrated slot WR ala Hines Ward/Derrick Mason
Wow I have the complete opposite thought. Other than QB, I like this class equal in RB(I like top 3 better this year), I like TE better with depth and WR rocks last year. Add in IDP and this class gets me excited much more than last year. I am looking to get into the top of the draft this year. Last year I wanted to get Ryan but was happy staying where I was and drafting Flacco instead.NorrisB said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
This class doesnt have that sure bet at the top, to me for the first time in awhile the situation may depend alot more than the individuals talent, because they are all very close in talent ( the top RB's that is). I think the top 3 WR are all good bets, last year's WR while performed well on the field but were not considered cant miss, last years WR crop was considered weak at the top from what I remember
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
personally I rank my top 5:
1 - Moreno
2 - McCoy
3 - Brown
4 - Wells
5 - Crabtree
But this will totally flip flop based on who drafts them.
1 - Moreno
2 - McCoy
3 - Brown
4 - Wells
5 - Crabtree
But this will totally flip flop based on who drafts them.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Right, and neither is Robiskie, which is why I made the comparison.FUBAR said:Could be, but Hines has never been described as "fast". You're not a "fast" WR these days unless you approach 4.40 IMO.Granted, he'll probably never run a faster 40 in his life than he did at the combine (his form was flawless), but he has enough speed and KNOWHOW to separate at the next level. He's not going to be a superstar, but he's got that attitude and work ethic that will make him an underrated slot WR ala Hines Ward/Derrick Mason
Yitbos was saying he was fast.
Tau837
Footballguy
Note that Toney Baker, mentioned in both quotes above, was lost for the season in the first game.Also, O'Brien's schemes on both offense and defense were different, and it took the 2007 team a while to adjust, going 1-5 to start the season. State finished 4-2, but unfortunately Brown was hurt in the 6th game and missed the resurgence - he had only 3 carries the rest of the season. Despite the changes in the program and the talent and depth issues at QB and OL, he played very well in the first 5 games: 83/427/5 rushing and 17/139/0 receiving.
In 2008, State lost ~70 games to injury for starting players. Combining that with the depth and inexperience problems definitely affected Brown. In mid September, the team was down to 46 scholarship players, not including kickers, and had 14 freshmen in its two deep depth chart. (LINK)
I'm not suggesting the Brown is going to dominate the NFL, but I do think he has a lot of potential. His last two seasons, he went through injury, a program change, and was generally surrounded by weak, young, and inexperienced teammates. I think his NFL potential is a lot higher than his college numbers would indicate. He had a strong showing at the Senior Bowl and in practices leading up to it, which really wasn't a surprise.
On the negatives listed by EBF, I'm not sure underachiever is fair. As a State fan, I certainly don't consider him a disappointment, and I don't know anyone who does (except EBF). The other negatives cited seem pretty reasonable. Also, I don't see any mention of his receiving ability, which is actually quite good, especially for a 225 lb back.
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EBF
Footballguy
Thanks for posting that. The context is certainly something to consider. At the same time, I don't think it's unfair to call him a disappointment. When you're a 5 star recruit out of high school and you never rush for more than 767 yards in a season, you've been a disappointment. I drafted Brown with my first round pick in my college dynasty. I held him on my roster for his entire career, including the year he spent at prep school. He had a big week here and there, but was mostly useless. At this point he's just a measurables guy who hasn't really lived up to the hype on the field. I think he has some upside though. That's the only reason why he's on this list at all. If you just looked at his college career, he doesn't even deserve to be drafted.
loose circuits
Footballguy
FYI, next years most overrated fantasy player (per EBF) will be Rashad Jennings if he has a decent rookie year. Just giving everyone a heads ups (I see it coming)
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Maroney=Speed
Footballguy
I like reading EBF's writeups. I give him a hard time, but without these writeups, than everyone is 100% correct all the time. EBF lays it out on the line, I wish more would do that instead of bashing the ones that do. I put my rankings and my League wins and money won against anyone. I'm sure EBF will as well.EBF keep up your good work, I'm just giving you a hard time on the Forte topic, but I do agree with you. I will not have Forte on any of my teams.Great Job!loose circuits said:
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
loose circuits
Footballguy
For the record, I don't even own Forte in either of my dynasty leagues. I traded down to 1.7 and drafted Chris Johnson in the league I had a decent pick. I already said prior to last season I didn't expect much from Forte because of how awful the Bears passing game and OL wasIn addition, I've already said I appreciate his effort. He obviously spends a lot of time on this. Just saying Rashad Jennings deserves to be ranked. Are you saying that he doesn't deserve to be ahead of the likes of Peerman, Andre Brown, or Sheets? In a recent mock from another site that I am doing, he was drafted in the top 8
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BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I'm saying I think we should be able to have a debate about the future fantasy value one player or another may hold without acting like seventh-graders.For the record, I don't even own Forte in either of my dynasty leagues. I traded down to 1.7 and drafted Chris Johnson in the league I had a decent pick. I already said prior to last season I didn't expect much from Forte because of how awful the Bears passing game and OL wasIn addition, I've already said I appreciate his effort. He obviously spends a lot of time on this. Just saying Rashad Jennings deserves to be ranked. Are you saying that he doesn't deserve to be ahead of the likes of Peerman, Andre Brown, or Sheets? In a recent mock from another site that I am doing, he was drafted in the top 8
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
To be fair, he might be a seventh grader.I'm saying I think we should be able to have a debate about the future fantasy value one player or another may hold without acting like seventh-graders.For the record, I don't even own Forte in either of my dynasty leagues. I traded down to 1.7 and drafted Chris Johnson in the league I had a decent pick. I already said prior to last season I didn't expect much from Forte because of how awful the Bears passing game and OL wasIn addition, I've already said I appreciate his effort. He obviously spends a lot of time on this. Just saying Rashad Jennings deserves to be ranked. Are you saying that he doesn't deserve to be ahead of the likes of Peerman, Andre Brown, or Sheets? In a recent mock from another site that I am doing, he was drafted in the top 8
loose circuits
Footballguy
In that case, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Rashad Jennings. Does he or doesn't he deserve to be ranked?I'm saying I think we should be able to have a debate about the future fantasy value one player or another may hold without acting like seventh-graders.For the record, I don't even own Forte in either of my dynasty leagues. I traded down to 1.7 and drafted Chris Johnson in the league I had a decent pick. I already said prior to last season I didn't expect much from Forte because of how awful the Bears passing game and OL wasIn addition, I've already said I appreciate his effort. He obviously spends a lot of time on this. Just saying Rashad Jennings deserves to be ranked. Are you saying that he doesn't deserve to be ahead of the likes of Peerman, Andre Brown, or Sheets? In a recent mock from another site that I am doing, he was drafted in the top 8
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Yes, I personally have him ranked higher than a guy like Sheets, for example.In that case, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Rashad Jennings. Does he or doesn't he deserve to be ranked?I'm saying I think we should be able to have a debate about the future fantasy value one player or another may hold without acting like seventh-graders.For the record, I don't even own Forte in either of my dynasty leagues. I traded down to 1.7 and drafted Chris Johnson in the league I had a decent pick. I already said prior to last season I didn't expect much from Forte because of how awful the Bears passing game and OL wasIn addition, I've already said I appreciate his effort. He obviously spends a lot of time on this. Just saying Rashad Jennings deserves to be ranked. Are you saying that he doesn't deserve to be ahead of the likes of Peerman, Andre Brown, or Sheets? In a recent mock from another site that I am doing, he was drafted in the top 8
NorrisB
Footballguy
Theres no Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, or Jonathan Stewart type player in this draft.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
Jennings could make a big move up this list if he lands on a team with an open starting position, but he looks like more of a backup type talent to me. You can make a case for him in the same range as guys like Peerman and Sheets. Any higher would be a pretty big stretch at this point in time.
Donald Brown is probably the guy most likely to make this list look silly. #9 is pretty low given his combine numbers, his production, and his potential status as a top 45 pick. I might move him up after the draft.
I'm not a big fan of this RB class overall though. They all have question marks. Situation will be huge.
Donald Brown is probably the guy most likely to make this list look silly. #9 is pretty low given his combine numbers, his production, and his potential status as a top 45 pick. I might move him up after the draft.
I'm not a big fan of this RB class overall though. They all have question marks. Situation will be huge.
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From PFT...
DONALD BROWN MAKING STRONG IMPRESSION ON NFL TEAMS
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 8, 2009, 11:37 p.m.
Patterning his approach to football and life after retired New York Giants running back Tiki Barber, University of Connecticut running back Donald Brown is preparing diligently for the NFL draft, according to Jim Corbett of USA Today.
Brown, who rushed for a nation-high 2,083 yards last season, is regarded as a potential first-round or second-round draft pick.
A New Jersey native who grew up rooting for the Giants, Brown met with Barber last month to discuss how to get ready for his “ journey into professional football,” and to seek counsel on Brown launching a mentoring program geared toward New Jersey high school football players.
“Right now, I’d say I’d characterize my game off of Tiki Barber’s,” said Brown, who ran a 4.51 in the 40-yard dash at the NFL scouting combine. “He wasn’t the flashiest runner. But he could run inside or outside the tackles.
“They also utilized Tiki as a wide receiver-type in the passing game. The way he conducted himself both on and off the field, Tiki’s a class act, a very articulate guy who has worked to create a pretty great career post-football.”
Brown is drawing heavy praise from NFL teams and draft analysts, including Mike Mayock of NFL Network, after registering an eye-opening, 41 1/2 inch vertical leap at the combine in front of all 32 NFL teams at the combine.
“I had Donald Brown as my second-best back coming into the combine, and I think Donald is a first-round pick,” Mayock said. ”He’s legit. The combine just underscored what I saw on tape. He has really good, not elite, speed. He has great explosion.
“He’s talented enough to play in any scheme. The one thing he’ll have to learn is patience. He hurries his blockers. But what he does have is tremendously nimble feet, and you see him running through tackles with his lower-body strength.”
Added San Francisco 49ers General Manager Scot McCloughan: “Donald Brown is a good football player. That shows on tape, the production he had with the number of carries he got. The interview process was really good. Having a role model like Tiki Barber is great. That’s a quality guy and quality football player for Donald to follow.”
DONALD BROWN MAKING STRONG IMPRESSION ON NFL TEAMS
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 8, 2009, 11:37 p.m.
Patterning his approach to football and life after retired New York Giants running back Tiki Barber, University of Connecticut running back Donald Brown is preparing diligently for the NFL draft, according to Jim Corbett of USA Today.
Brown, who rushed for a nation-high 2,083 yards last season, is regarded as a potential first-round or second-round draft pick.
A New Jersey native who grew up rooting for the Giants, Brown met with Barber last month to discuss how to get ready for his “ journey into professional football,” and to seek counsel on Brown launching a mentoring program geared toward New Jersey high school football players.
“Right now, I’d say I’d characterize my game off of Tiki Barber’s,” said Brown, who ran a 4.51 in the 40-yard dash at the NFL scouting combine. “He wasn’t the flashiest runner. But he could run inside or outside the tackles.
“They also utilized Tiki as a wide receiver-type in the passing game. The way he conducted himself both on and off the field, Tiki’s a class act, a very articulate guy who has worked to create a pretty great career post-football.”
Brown is drawing heavy praise from NFL teams and draft analysts, including Mike Mayock of NFL Network, after registering an eye-opening, 41 1/2 inch vertical leap at the combine in front of all 32 NFL teams at the combine.
“I had Donald Brown as my second-best back coming into the combine, and I think Donald is a first-round pick,” Mayock said. ”He’s legit. The combine just underscored what I saw on tape. He has really good, not elite, speed. He has great explosion.
“He’s talented enough to play in any scheme. The one thing he’ll have to learn is patience. He hurries his blockers. But what he does have is tremendously nimble feet, and you see him running through tackles with his lower-body strength.”
Added San Francisco 49ers General Manager Scot McCloughan: “Donald Brown is a good football player. That shows on tape, the production he had with the number of carries he got. The interview process was really good. Having a role model like Tiki Barber is great. That’s a quality guy and quality football player for Donald to follow.”
