[DYNASTY] 2009 Top 24 Rookies (1 Viewer)

[az_prof]

Great write up EBF. I really appreciate your insights and it is a good sign when you produce as much discussion as you do. This gives people like me who know very little about the college game a place to start our research. Once I get my rankings sorted out in a few weeks I'll post here.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

EBF, your still loved on this board, don't give up the good work you do. So who are your rising players and decliners in the 2009 rook draft?

Thanks

 

[Burning Sensation]

I think you are missing the boat on Rashad Jennings. Don't write him off because he went to a small school. Guy started at Pitt as a true freshmen before transferring to be closer to his ailing father (shows maturity and family values). He's got the size/speed combo...

FYI, next years most overrated fantasy player (per EBF) will be Rashad Jennings if he has a decent rookie year. Just giving everyone a heads ups (I see it coming)

I like reading EBF's writeups. I give him a hard time, but without these writeups, than everyone is 100% correct all the time. EBF lays it out on the line, I wish more would do that instead of bashing the ones that do. I put my rankings and my League wins and money won against anyone. I'm sure EBF will as well.EBF keep up your good work, I'm just giving you a hard time on the Forte topic, but I do agree with you. I will not have Forte on any of my teams.

Great Job!

How about against EBF?

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I think you are missing the boat on Rashad Jennings. Don't write him off because he went to a small school. Guy started at Pitt as a true freshmen before transferring to be closer to his ailing father (shows maturity and family values). He's got the size/speed combo...

FYI, next years most overrated fantasy player (per EBF) will be Rashad Jennings if he has a decent rookie year. Just giving everyone a heads ups (I see it coming)

I like reading EBF's writeups. I give him a hard time, but without these writeups, than everyone is 100% correct all the time. EBF lays it out on the line, I wish more would do that instead of bashing the ones that do. I put my rankings and my League wins and money won against anyone. I'm sure EBF will as well.EBF keep up your good work, I'm just giving you a hard time on the Forte topic, but I do agree with you. I will not have Forte on any of my teams.

Great Job!

How about against EBF?

'against anyone', i was clear.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I think you are missing the boat on Rashad Jennings. Don't write him off because he went to a small school. Guy started at Pitt as a true freshmen before transferring to be closer to his ailing father (shows maturity and family values). He's got the size/speed combo...

FYI, next years most overrated fantasy player (per EBF) will be Rashad Jennings if he has a decent rookie year. Just giving everyone a heads ups (I see it coming)

I like reading EBF's writeups. I give him a hard time, but without these writeups, than everyone is 100% correct all the time. EBF lays it out on the line, I wish more would do that instead of bashing the ones that do. I put my rankings and my League wins and money won against anyone. I'm sure EBF will as well.EBF keep up your good work, I'm just giving you a hard time on the Forte topic, but I do agree with you. I will not have Forte on any of my teams.

Great Job!

How about against EBF?

'against anyone', i was clear.

But do you think you would win?

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I think you are missing the boat on Rashad Jennings. Don't write him off because he went to a small school. Guy started at Pitt as a true freshmen before transferring to be closer to his ailing father (shows maturity and family values). He's got the size/speed combo...

FYI, next years most overrated fantasy player (per EBF) will be Rashad Jennings if he has a decent rookie year. Just giving everyone a heads ups (I see it coming)

I like reading EBF's writeups. I give him a hard time, but without these writeups, than everyone is 100% correct all the time. EBF lays it out on the line, I wish more would do that instead of bashing the ones that do. I put my rankings and my League wins and money won against anyone. I'm sure EBF will as well.EBF keep up your good work, I'm just giving you a hard time on the Forte topic, but I do agree with you. I will not have Forte on any of my teams.

Great Job!

How about against EBF?

EBF just writes better than I do, I'll give him that. But writing down rankings for a draft your in,it's not even close, why? EBF doesn't do that.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I think you are missing the boat on Rashad Jennings. Don't write him off because he went to a small school. Guy started at Pitt as a true freshmen before transferring to be closer to his ailing father (shows maturity and family values). He's got the size/speed combo...

FYI, next years most overrated fantasy player (per EBF) will be Rashad Jennings if he has a decent rookie year. Just giving everyone a heads ups (I see it coming)

I like reading EBF's writeups. I give him a hard time, but without these writeups, than everyone is 100% correct all the time. EBF lays it out on the line, I wish more would do that instead of bashing the ones that do. I put my rankings and my League wins and money won against anyone. I'm sure EBF will as well.EBF keep up your good work, I'm just giving you a hard time on the Forte topic, but I do agree with you. I will not have Forte on any of my teams.

Great Job!

How about against EBF?

'against anyone', i was clear.

But do you think you would win?

I'll play along. I would do better in any format than EBF, I think there's little question to that. Now what about you. If the three of us were in the same League.I would give EBF the edge over you. What do you think, do you think you would do better than EBF?

 

[Burning Sensation]

I think you are missing the boat on Rashad Jennings. Don't write him off because he went to a small school. Guy started at Pitt as a true freshmen before transferring to be closer to his ailing father (shows maturity and family values). He's got the size/speed combo...

FYI, next years most overrated fantasy player (per EBF) will be Rashad Jennings if he has a decent rookie year. Just giving everyone a heads ups (I see it coming)

I like reading EBF's writeups. I give him a hard time, but without these writeups, than everyone is 100% correct all the time. EBF lays it out on the line, I wish more would do that instead of bashing the ones that do. I put my rankings and my League wins and money won against anyone. I'm sure EBF will as well.EBF keep up your good work, I'm just giving you a hard time on the Forte topic, but I do agree with you. I will not have Forte on any of my teams.

Great Job!

How about against EBF?

'against anyone', i was clear.

But do you think you would win?

I'll play along. I would do better in any format than EBF, I think there's little question to that. Now what about you. If the three of us were in the same League.I would give EBF the edge over you. What do you think, do you think you would do better than EBF?

I think i would finish 2-12 in a three team league against you and EBF. Throw in Switz and make it a four team league, and i wouldnt win a game.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think you are missing the boat on Rashad Jennings. Don't write him off because he went to a small school. Guy started at Pitt as a true freshmen before transferring to be closer to his ailing father (shows maturity and family values). He's got the size/speed combo...

FYI, next years most overrated fantasy player (per EBF) will be Rashad Jennings if he has a decent rookie year. Just giving everyone a heads ups (I see it coming)

I like reading EBF's writeups. I give him a hard time, but without these writeups, than everyone is 100% correct all the time. EBF lays it out on the line, I wish more would do that instead of bashing the ones that do. I put my rankings and my League wins and money won against anyone. I'm sure EBF will as well.EBF keep up your good work, I'm just giving you a hard time on the Forte topic, but I do agree with you. I will not have Forte on any of my teams.

Great Job!

How about against EBF?

'against anyone', i was clear.

But do you think you would win?

I'll play along. I would do better in any format than EBF, I think there's little question to that. Now what about you. If the three of us were in the same League.I would give EBF the edge over you. What do you think, do you think you would do better than EBF?

I think i would finish 2-12 in a three team league against you and EBF. Throw in Switz and make it a four team league, and i wouldnt win a game.

there is a sig in here somewhere

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I think you are missing the boat on Rashad Jennings. Don't write him off because he went to a small school. Guy started at Pitt as a true freshmen before transferring to be closer to his ailing father (shows maturity and family values). He's got the size/speed combo...

FYI, next years most overrated fantasy player (per EBF) will be Rashad Jennings if he has a decent rookie year. Just giving everyone a heads ups (I see it coming)

I like reading EBF's writeups. I give him a hard time, but without these writeups, than everyone is 100% correct all the time. EBF lays it out on the line, I wish more would do that instead of bashing the ones that do. I put my rankings and my League wins and money won against anyone. I'm sure EBF will as well.EBF keep up your good work, I'm just giving you a hard time on the Forte topic, but I do agree with you. I will not have Forte on any of my teams.

Great Job!

How about against EBF?

'against anyone', i was clear.

But do you think you would win?

I'll play along. I would do better in any format than EBF, I think there's little question to that. Now what about you. If the three of us were in the same League.I would give EBF the edge over you. What do you think, do you think you would do better than EBF?

I think i would finish 2-12 in a three team league against you and EBF. Throw in Switz and make it a four team league, and i wouldnt win a game.

there is a sig in here somewhere

Of course there is. Anyone can post how good they are, please back it up with at least rankings. bicycle_seat_sniffer your on the clock. Pick 1.01 rookies only 12 team League PPR. Who you taking? 1 point per rec. 6 points passing TD. 1.01 'bicycle_seat_sniffer' SELECTS=

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I think you are missing the boat on Rashad Jennings. Don't write him off because he went to a small school. Guy started at Pitt as a true freshmen before transferring to be closer to his ailing father (shows maturity and family values). He's got the size/speed combo...

FYI, next years most overrated fantasy player (per EBF) will be Rashad Jennings if he has a decent rookie year. Just giving everyone a heads ups (I see it coming)

I like reading EBF's writeups. I give him a hard time, but without these writeups, than everyone is 100% correct all the time. EBF lays it out on the line, I wish more would do that instead of bashing the ones that do. I put my rankings and my League wins and money won against anyone. I'm sure EBF will as well.EBF keep up your good work, I'm just giving you a hard time on the Forte topic, but I do agree with you. I will not have Forte on any of my teams.

Great Job!

How about against EBF?

'against anyone', i was clear.

But do you think you would win?

I'll play along. I would do better in any format than EBF, I think there's little question to that. Now what about you. If the three of us were in the same League.I would give EBF the edge over you. What do you think, do you think you would do better than EBF?

I think i would finish 2-12 in a three team league against you and EBF. Throw in Switz and make it a four team league, and i wouldnt win a game.

there is a sig in here somewhere

Of course there is. Anyone can post how good they are, please back it up with at least rankings. bicycle_seat_sniffer your on the clock. Pick 1.01 rookies only 12 team League PPR. Who you taking? 1 point per rec. 6 points passing TD. 1.01 'bicycle_seat_sniffer' SELECTS=

Ok Burning Sensation your up1.01 Burning Sensation Selects=???

 

[offdee]

Ok Burning Sensation your up1.01 Burning Sensation Selects=???

Just stop it already.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Ok Burning Sensation your up1.01 Burning Sensation Selects=???

Just stop it already.

He called me out, I accepted it. He ran. More or less what happens on here all the time. Everyone is the first to tell someone how bad there rankings are, but the last to post there's. I wanted to give Burning Sensation a chance, and the first pick. But he wants non of it. Back to topic at hand.EBF who is your top 5 rookies, and only EBF. Thanks

 

[comfortably numb]

Ok Burning Sensation your up1.01 Burning Sensation Selects=???

Just stop it already.

He called me out, I accepted it. He ran. More or less what happens on here all the time. Everyone is the first to tell someone how bad there rankings are, but the last to post there's. I wanted to give Burning Sensation a chance, and the first pick. But he wants non of it. Back to topic at hand.EBF who is your top 5 rookies, and only EBF. Thanks

Please don't ruin this thread anymore than it has been already.

 

[offdee]

Ok Burning Sensation your up1.01 Burning Sensation Selects=???

Just stop it already.

He called me out, I accepted it. He ran. More or less what happens on here all the time. Everyone is the first to tell someone how bad there rankings are, but the last to post there's. I wanted to give Burning Sensation a chance, and the first pick. But he wants non of it. Back to topic at hand.EBF who is your top 5 rookies, and only EBF. Thanks

This entire thread is revolved around EBF's rookie rankings...go to post 1 to see his top 5. Again, just stop it already.

 

[SamuraiDB]

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I think you are missing the boat on Rashad Jennings. Don't write him off because he went to a small school. Guy started at Pitt as a true freshmen before transferring to be closer to his ailing father (shows maturity and family values). He's got the size/speed combo...

FYI, next years most overrated fantasy player (per EBF) will be Rashad Jennings if he has a decent rookie year. Just giving everyone a heads ups (I see it coming)

I like reading EBF's writeups. I give him a hard time, but without these writeups, than everyone is 100% correct all the time. EBF lays it out on the line, I wish more would do that instead of bashing the ones that do. I put my rankings and my League wins and money won against anyone. I'm sure EBF will as well.EBF keep up your good work, I'm just giving you a hard time on the Forte topic, but I do agree with you. I will not have Forte on any of my teams.Great Job!

Bump, because issues still run deep by many on these boards. 'We all have a say, we don't all know how to rank, for that will leave it to the Pro's' PM me if you have any questions, that's were I will now answer them.Thanks

 

[loose circuits]

I'll play along:

1) Crabtree

2) D. Brown

3) Moreno

4) McCoy

5) B. Wells

6) H. Nicks

7) Maclin

8) Greene

9) R. Jennings

10) P. Harvin (better NFL player than fantasy)

11) Sanchez

12) Stafford

13) DHB

14) Britt

15) Robiskie

the following is a work in progress for sure:

16) Goodson

17) J. Davis

18) J. Ringer

19) A. Brown (injuries and intelligence drop him down my board)

20) Louis Murphy

21) J. Dillard

22) Cook

23) Pettigrew

24) Pat White

 

[Chachi]

I'll play along:1) Crabtree2) D. Brown3) Moreno4) McCoy5) B. Wells6) H. Nicks7) Maclin8) Greene9) R. Jennings10) P. Harvin (better NFL player than fantasy)11) Sanchez12) Stafford13) DHB14) Britt15) Robiskiethe following is a work in progress for sure:16) Goodson17) J. Davis18) J. Ringer19) A. Brown (injuries and intelligence drop him down my board)20) Louis Murphy21) J. Dillard22) Cook23) Pettigrew24) Pat White

Good list, it's nice to see someone who didn't forget all about Ringer/Davis/Murphy, I would have them around the same area.

 

[Chachi]

I'll play too:

(Non PPR)

1. Crabtree

2. Wells

3. Moreno

4. McCoy

5. Brown

6. Maclin

7. Greene

8. Harvin

9. Heyward Bey

10. Nicks

11. Stafford

12. Britt

13. A. Brown

14. Jennings

15. Sanchez

16. Ringer

17. Robiskie

18. Davis

19. Peerman

20. Iglesias

21. Murphy

22. Goodson

23. Tate

24. Massaquoi

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I'll play too:

(Non PPR)

1. Crabtree - No way he goes #1 in most non-PPR leagues. Maybe in some start 3 WRs leagues.

2. Wells

3. Moreno

4. McCoy

5. Brown

6. Maclin

7. Greene

8. Harvin

9. Heyward Bey

10. Nicks

11. Stafford

12. Britt

13. A. Brown

14. Jennings

15. Sanchez

16. Ringer

17. Robiskie

18. Davis

19. Peerman

20. Iglesias

21. Murphy

22. Goodson

23. Tate

24. Massaquoi

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Non-PPR

1. Wells

2. Brown

3. McCoy

4. Moreno

5. Nicks

6. Crabtree

7. Maclin

8. Greene

9. Britt

10. Harvin

11. Heyward Bey

12. Jennings

13. A. Brown

14. Robiskie

15. Stafford

16. Sanchez

17. Dillard

18. Sheets

19. Cook

20. Pettigrew

21. Ringer

22. Davis

23. Peerman

24. Casey

PPR - my top 16. I can't do 24 on this right now.

1. Nicks

2. Crabtree

3. Moreno

4. Maclin

5. McCoy

6. Wells

7. Brown

8. Robiskie

9. Harvin

10. Heyward Bey

11. Britt

12. Greene

13. Jennings

14. Stafford

15. Sanchez

16. Dillard

 

[Crippler]

I can play along but just .5 PPR "_

1. Crabtree

2. Wells

3. Moreno

4. Maclin

5. D. Brown

6. McCoy

7. Nicks

8. Heyward-Bey

9. Harvin

10. A. Brown

11. Britt

12. Robiskie

13. Jennings

14. Greene

15. Dillard

16. Stafford

17. Sanchez

18. Derrick Williams

19. Sheets

20. Cook

21. Iglesias

22. Ringer

23. Peerman

24. Tate

 

[EBF]

Quick update:

I will probably post a new list a few weeks after the NFL draft. There will be a lot of movement in the 13-24 range. Some of the guys in the top 12 will also be shuffled around. I am probably going to downgrade McCoy and Moreno. Given their mediocre workouts, I'm finding it hard to justify taking either one of them in the top 3-4 picks. Beanie Wells is moving up. I'm still not a huge fan, but he has RoY potential if he lands in a starting spot. I will probably also move Donald Brown up.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Non-PPR1. Wells2. Brown3. McCoy4. Nicks5. Crabtree6. Moreno7. Maclin8. Greene9. Britt10. Harvin11. Heyward Bey12. Jennings13. A. Brown14. Robiskie15. Stafford16. Sanchez17. Dillard18. Sheets19. Cook20. Pettigrew21. Ringer22. Davis23. Peerman24. CaseyPPR 1. Nicks2. Crabtree3. Maclin4. McCoy5. Wells6. Brown7. Moreno8. Britt9. Robiskie10. Harvin11. Heyward Bey12. Greene13. Jennings14. Stafford15. Sanchez16. Dillard

Modified

 

[Tau837]

More on Andre Brown:

"I had to show I was 100 percent healthy,'' said Brown, who broke his left foot in 2007 and again in the spring of 2008. "They were saying I had nagging injuries and didn't produce as much as I should have at State. I took [the negative stuff] as motivation."

At 225 pounds, Brown's size is a plus. He also ran a hand-held 40 in 4.37 seconds and ranked among the top five in three agility and speed tests at the Combine. This came after an impressive effort in the Senior Bowl.

 

[loose circuits]

More on Andre Brown:

"I had to show I was 100 percent healthy,'' said Brown, who broke his left foot in 2007 and again in the spring of 2008. "They were saying I had nagging injuries and didn't produce as much as I should have at State. I took [the negative stuff] as motivation."

At 225 pounds, Brown's size is a plus. He also ran a hand-held 40 in 4.37 seconds and ranked among the top five in three agility and speed tests at the Combine. This came after an impressive effort in the Senior Bowl.

damn, his value is rising fast

 

[Cookiemonster]

More on Andre Brown:

"I had to show I was 100 percent healthy,'' said Brown, who broke his left foot in 2007 and again in the spring of 2008. "They were saying I had nagging injuries and didn't produce as much as I should have at State. I took [the negative stuff] as motivation."

At 225 pounds, Brown's size is a plus. He also ran a hand-held 40 in 4.37 seconds and ranked among the top five in three agility and speed tests at the Combine. This came after an impressive effort in the Senior Bowl.

damn, his value is rising fast

1. Knowshon Moreno2. Donald Brown

3. Shonn Greene

4. Chris Wells

5. Rashad Jennings

6. Andre Brown

7. LeSean McCoy

8. Javon Ringer

9. Kory Sheets

10. Jeremiah Johnson

Current RB rankings my me for FFB PPR - Disclaimer: I seriously doubt McCoy's desire/passion for football and that's why I have him so low. Not sure he'll continue to get better after a contract, or that he'll be anything more than a 3rd down back. K.Faulk at best.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

More on Andre Brown:

"I had to show I was 100 percent healthy,'' said Brown, who broke his left foot in 2007 and again in the spring of 2008. "They were saying I had nagging injuries and didn't produce as much as I should have at State. I took [the negative stuff] as motivation."

At 225 pounds, Brown's size is a plus. He also ran a hand-held 40 in 4.37 seconds and ranked among the top five in three agility and speed tests at the Combine. This came after an impressive effort in the Senior Bowl.

damn, his value is rising fast

1. Knowshon Moreno2. Donald Brown

3. Shonn Greene

4. Chris Wells

5. Rashad Jennings

6. Andre Brown

7. LeSean McCoy

8. Javon Ringer

9. Kory Sheets

10. Jeremiah Johnson

Current RB rankings my me for FFB PPR - Disclaimer: I seriously doubt McCoy's desire/passion for football and that's why I have him so low. Not sure he'll continue to get better after a contract, or that he'll be anything more than a 3rd down back. K.Faulk at best.

You must have McCoy confused with Beanie Wells. McCoy's character is very good. Care to post a link doubting his desire / passion for football?

" He doesn't have any character issues and takes pride in the way he plays."

Arizona Cardinals Potential Draft Pick: LeSean McCoy

Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt added, "Great, great players do a lot of things you can't coach. That's LeSean. And the best thing he did today was that he showed toughness at the end. He has conditioning, he's a team player -- all those things are part of LeSean McCoy's character other than his great ability to run the football."

Pitt Football: McCoy threads Irish's defense in big win

3. LeSean McCoy, Pitt 5-11, 198

Pre-Combine Position Rank: 3

Post-Combine Skinny: Had the flu and didn't run. No one ran lights out in the Combine, so the potential is there for McCoy to make a big splash in his future worouts.

Positives: Ultra-productive … Superior receiver … Good character. Hard worker ... Ultra-quick with good nose for the goal line … Fast.

CollegeFootballNews.com

Of course I can see some posters saying stuff like this if they have the 1.05 - 1.07

 

[twr]

PPR

1. moreno

2. wells

3. stafford

4. crabtree

5. D. brown

6. harvin

7. nicks

8. maclin

9. mccoy

 

[Cookiemonster]

1. Knowshon Moreno

2. Donald Brown

3. Shonn Greene

4. Chris Wells

5. Rashad Jennings

6. Andre Brown

7. LeSean McCoy

8. Javon Ringer

9. Kory Sheets

10. Jeremiah Johnson

Current RB rankings my me for FFB PPR - Disclaimer: I seriously doubt McCoy's desire/passion for football and that's why I have him so low. Not sure he'll continue to get better after a contract, or that he'll be anything more than a 3rd down back. K.Faulk at best.

You must have McCoy confused with Beanie Wells. McCoy's character is very good. Care to post a link doubting his desire / passion for football?

" He doesn't have any character issues and takes pride in the way he plays."

Arizona Cardinals Potential Draft Pick: LeSean McCoy

Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt added, "Great, great players do a lot of things you can't coach. That's LeSean. And the best thing he did today was that he showed toughness at the end. He has conditioning, he's a team player -- all those things are part of LeSean McCoy's character other than his great ability to run the football."

Pitt Football: McCoy threads Irish's defense in big win

3. LeSean McCoy, Pitt 5-11, 198

Pre-Combine Position Rank: 3

Post-Combine Skinny: Had the flu and didn't run. No one ran lights out in the Combine, so the potential is there for McCoy to make a big splash in his future worouts.

Positives: Ultra-productive … Superior receiver … Good character. Hard worker ... Ultra-quick with good nose for the goal line … Fast.

CollegeFootballNews.com

Of course I can see some posters saying stuff like this if they have the 1.05 - 1.07

Tried looking last nite, but after a failed Google search, and about 10 pages of searching threads I fell asleep 1/2 way through the big rookie thread. I could have sworn he made a comment somewhere around bowl week about not liking football much. I do know he had H.S. character issues, but if there has been none since, I would gladly dismiss teenage immaturity. Assuming I'm mistaken about the quote, he's still in more of a 5-a, b & c with Jennings and A.Brown. McCoy is the most dynamic RB in this class with no competition from anybody but Donald Brown. I still think he runs off balance and at the edge of control a lot. I think he's easier to tackle than Reggie Bush and not as fast as him either. FWIW, I don't own picks 1.02-1.09 in any of my leagues. I have been trying to move into the 1.05-1.07 'cause you figure with the WRs in this draft (and I've commented on which ones I like in another thread) and my rankings I have above, I should have two or three of my higher-rated guys available. I don't think this draft class is nearly as good @ RB as last year though, and haven't been able to coax any 1st round picks away from people since they value the 1st round this year more than I do.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I really wish you put out non-ppr rankings too since i'm in 5 non-ppr leagues and zero ppr leagues. If it's not too much trouble would you mind? I would actually prefer if the list was straight up for zealots leagues.

I think in non-PPR you usually have to favor RBs. My top four would be Moreno, Greene, Wells, and McCoy in some order. I would probably downgrade McCoy and upgrade Greene and Wells. Wells has the highest ceiling. Greene is the safest pick. Moreno is somewhere in between. I'd consider Donald Brown at 1.05, but I'd also look at the WRs. I'd put Crabtree, Harvin, Maclin, DHB, Nicks, and Britt in the top 12. I would take all of them over the likes of Sheets/A. Brown/Peerman. The talent gap there is too big to justify reaching for a RB.

I prefer non PPR also. Just wanted to say great job

 

[bigreese82]

 

[bigreese82]