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[DYNASTY] 2010 Top 30 Rookies (1 Viewer)
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lyon812
Footballguy
Random comment: I've read that Gilyard suffers alligator arms as well.Back to Williams: when I see him, he makes plays. Aside from being an elite route runner, one description I liked of him was "his mastery of subtle skills such as using his hands to get off press coverage, using double moves to gain separation and head and shoulder fakes at the top of his stems separates him from most college receivers. His most impressive trait, though, is his smoothness. He transitions easily out of his breaks and is creative with the ball in his hands." I see this echoed in multiple places. A lot depends on his 40 time, but I can't shake the feeling that he's one of those guys that will be sneaky productive.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
I noticed the same thing about Williams myself watching that skills challenge.
J.Shipley cause my attention although he isnt mentioned much on these boards.
J.Shipley cause my attention although he isnt mentioned much on these boards.
crnerblitz
Footballguy
excellent work as always.
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
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Hendo
Footballguy
just not buying the CJ hype, saw the same exciting screen play, open lane runs, explosive open space plays ect with many backs most noteably Reggie Bush and McFadden the past few years.
I don't see the patience like i do with Chris Johnson in CJ, I also dont see the surprising power Johnson has in CJ either. I'll be one of the first people to say I was wrong about Johnson as I never thought he'd have that type of patience and surprising power for a back his size but I dont see anything evident in that with CJ Spiller. I see more of a Reggie Bush if anything.
I still think my top two RB's out of this draft class is Dwyer and Mathews with a close third to Stafon Johnson(this kid is going to be good)
I will say this Best I think has a better shot at being productive then Spiller, he may not have that blazing straightline speed but the little guy has very fluid hips and change of direction and more surprising power then Spiller.(this is not to say he is going to be a productive feature back) but i love the kid as a change of pace/scat back
I don't see the patience like i do with Chris Johnson in CJ, I also dont see the surprising power Johnson has in CJ either. I'll be one of the first people to say I was wrong about Johnson as I never thought he'd have that type of patience and surprising power for a back his size but I dont see anything evident in that with CJ Spiller. I see more of a Reggie Bush if anything.
I still think my top two RB's out of this draft class is Dwyer and Mathews with a close third to Stafon Johnson(this kid is going to be good)
I will say this Best I think has a better shot at being productive then Spiller, he may not have that blazing straightline speed but the little guy has very fluid hips and change of direction and more surprising power then Spiller.(this is not to say he is going to be a productive feature back) but i love the kid as a change of pace/scat back
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Does anyone else see a little TJ Duckett in Dwyer?
That guy with tons of power and decent top end speed for a big back.....but it takes him forever to get going....also limited agility.
That guy with tons of power and decent top end speed for a big back.....but it takes him forever to get going....also limited agility.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
I definitely see that it takes him forever to get going. I'm completely unimpressed by him.
FUBAR
Footballguy
That was good work - up until I read "Sell - Kenny Britt"I did a few different lists. This one is probably the most indicative of my opinions:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=466749
I look forward to this read every year........but do you have a link from last years to see how u did?
I have Spiller as my upside pick but from where I sit I'm not going to get him (I have 1.01 in one league and will almost certainly take Dez), but I'll keep an eye out for him in redrafts or just as an exciting player to watch. Chris Johnson is very good between the tackles, he bursts through small seams up the gut.Spiller is very poor between the tackles, he's much more like Reggie Bush as he needs a lot of open space to excel.I agree with you about Best. Spiller is a scat/part time back.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Damian Williams-WR-Player Feb. 10 - 9:11 pm et
Scouts and analysts at the Senior Bowl were reportedly concerned with USC WR Damian Williams' "slight build and lack of breakaway speed."
Williams, who didn't participate in Mobile because he's an underclassman, did draw high scouting marks for his route running, especially over the middle, and punt return value. As it stands, Williams projects as an early second-round pick. He'd likely go late-first if the draft wasn't so wideout rich.
Source: Palm Beach Post
Scouts and analysts at the Senior Bowl were reportedly concerned with USC WR Damian Williams' "slight build and lack of breakaway speed."
Williams, who didn't participate in Mobile because he's an underclassman, did draw high scouting marks for his route running, especially over the middle, and punt return value. As it stands, Williams projects as an early second-round pick. He'd likely go late-first if the draft wasn't so wideout rich.
Source: Palm Beach Post
EBF
Footballguy
Meh.I don't like this WR class much after the top two. If you ask me, the "depth" is nothing but mediocre players. Williams, Gilyard, Benn, LaFell, Tate.
I wouldn't trade Maclin or Nicks for any of those guys.
Tenacious D
Footballguy
Nice work. I'm glad to see Stafon Johnson where you have him. I'm a huge fan of his potential. He is the text book example of a guy set to be better in the pros than college. I can see a Pierre Thomas path to a surprising career if his continues to work hard - he's come along way since labeling himself "The Prince" on ESPN when he committed.
CJ Spiller has to go in the first round, I just keep struggling to see to what team. Somewhere between Chris Johnson and Reggie Bush, he'll continue making highlight reels on Sundays.
Ben Tate and Charles Scott are underrated, not by you per se, just in general. Tate should have better workouts and be a late riser when teams see he has more speed and agility than they thought.
I like Benn significantly more. He will impress at the Combine and climb. Great measurables and physical ability, underutilized in a ####ty Illinois offense. He is the Vernon Davis of receivers in this class.
I'd give Golden Tate a bit more credit than the Josh Reed comparison. I think he has DJax upside.
I dislike both QBs. LeFevour is a nice sleeper to me.
Not a great class at skill positions this year. It's all about the bigs on both sides of the ball in this draft.
CJ Spiller has to go in the first round, I just keep struggling to see to what team. Somewhere between Chris Johnson and Reggie Bush, he'll continue making highlight reels on Sundays.
Ben Tate and Charles Scott are underrated, not by you per se, just in general. Tate should have better workouts and be a late riser when teams see he has more speed and agility than they thought.
I like Benn significantly more. He will impress at the Combine and climb. Great measurables and physical ability, underutilized in a ####ty Illinois offense. He is the Vernon Davis of receivers in this class.
I'd give Golden Tate a bit more credit than the Josh Reed comparison. I think he has DJax upside.
I dislike both QBs. LeFevour is a nice sleeper to me.
Not a great class at skill positions this year. It's all about the bigs on both sides of the ball in this draft.
EBF
Footballguy
Certainly possible. I just don't see it.Gotta figure one of those second-third tier WRs becomes a star. Maybe it's him.
Does he have that kind of speed though? I've seen Steve Smith comparisons, but Tate isn't that fast. I've seen Hines Ward and Hakeem Nicks comparison, but Tate isn't that big. What exactly is he? Speed WR or possession WR?At his size, it almost has to be the former, but I don't know if he can run 4.3 or low 4.4. I'm just not sure where his yards are going to come from in the NFL. Maybe he will surprise me at the combine and blaze a fast time.
kremenull
Footballguy
Don't forget to mention the explosive, up-the gut (i.e., between the tackles) plays and juking guys out of their socks in phone-booth tight-quarters plays as well......The coaching, game-planning, and utilization/deployment of talent at the NFL level is far more savvy and diligent to not be able to utilize talents of this magnitude. NFL coaches salivate at having guys like Spiller at their disposal. The kid will electrify.The same pessimism that many of you exhibit has also been around for decades (too small this, not strong enough that), and real football players dispel those myths every time. People also seem to have the misconception that Reggie Bush is an NFL bust. Quite the contrary, this guy is an integral part of a championship team who makes plays, a bunch of them. He probably has as many TDs and receptions as anyone on that team since he came into the league......and certainly as many game-changing big plays. And his career is still in progress.Killer speed and agility translates to the NFL. Spiller will be dynamite! But please, don't take my endorsement for this, stay on the sidelines with the glass-half-emptys............benson_will_lead_the_way said:
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not a chance, but thanks for playing
identikit
Footballguy
Gutsy pick...Gotta give you some credit for that...
kremenull
Footballguy
Thanks! But really, I'm not looking to be gutsy, I trust my evaluation of talent. NFL coaching is the tonic for this kid. Now if he lacks initiative and motivation, then he will not ascend like I believe he can. But I'm thinking that he'll be pretty excited and anxious to get the hell out of purgatory (Illini offense) and enter the NFL where O.C.s know what they are doing and QBs can throw pretty well and accurately. He's been my choice all along and I usually go back to my initial impressions to see if there really is merit.....And with this kid, his talent is still very evident, just needs a little coaxing.The next big-time RAC guy will be him....a cross between Boldin and Marshall......
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
See Darren McFadden.....see CJ Spiller....tell me a difference.I see the same player.Jahvid Best is the most creative runner from this class....but can he stay healthy and is small.Dwyer has limited agility and takes awhile to accelerate...but he is the most physical.Mathews is the best combination between Power and Speed back in the class.Spiller....runs fast....its an phenomenon right now(he will be Chris Johnson I know it....wrong). The same people that love football speed....love Home Runs in baseball. Yall will draft the Ryan Howards and I will take Mauer with his OBP of .444Don't forget to mention the explosive, up-the gut (i.e., between the tackles) plays and juking guys out of their socks in phone-booth tight-quarters plays as well......The coaching, game-planning, and utilization/deployment of talent at the NFL level is far more savvy and diligent to not be able to utilize talents of this magnitude. NFL coaches salivate at having guys like Spiller at their disposal. The kid will electrify.The same pessimism that many of you exhibit has also been around for decades (too small this, not strong enough that), and real football players dispel those myths every time. People also seem to have the misconception that Reggie Bush is an NFL bust. Quite the contrary, this guy is an integral part of a championship team who makes plays, a bunch of them. He probably has as many TDs and receptions as anyone on that team since he came into the league......and certainly as many game-changing big plays. And his career is still in progress.Killer speed and agility translates to the NFL. Spiller will be dynamite! But please, don't take my endorsement for this, stay on the sidelines with the glass-half-emptys............benson_will_lead_the_way said:
Instinctive
Footballguy
I have to say here that I agree. In a household where every Illini game is a big game, that offense was total crap this season. Juice Williams...he looked so good last year (improvement wise) and then just tanked it this season. That whole team just mailed it in.But Benn has many things like size/speed/agility that you just can't teach somebody. I like it.Spiller however, I don't think you get. Yes, Bush is not a bust in the NFL. But he's a bust on my fantasy team. He makes plays sure, and gets catches, sometimes, but not enough to outdo all the real RBs like DeAngelo, AD, Cedric, T. Jones, MJD, Wells, etc...I'm sure that he will be an asset to his NFL team and an exciting guy to watch, but I don't think he can be that asset for my fantasy team, and the 1.01 isn't worth trying to find out.Thanks! But really, I'm not looking to be gutsy, I trust my evaluation of talent. NFL coaching is the tonic for this kid. Now if he lacks initiative and motivation, then he will not ascend like I believe he can. But I'm thinking that he'll be pretty excited and anxious to get the hell out of purgatory (Illini offense) and enter the NFL where O.C.s know what they are doing and QBs can throw pretty well and accurately. He's been my choice all along and I usually go back to my initial impressions to see if there really is merit.....And with this kid, his talent is still very evident, just needs a little coaxing.The next big-time RAC guy will be him....a cross between Boldin and Marshall......
kremenull
Footballguy
No, I will draft Adrian Peterson (speed, power, and agility), Jamaal Charles (killer speed and wiggle), and C.J. Spiller (see Charles) and Reg Bush (I play PPR, so yeah, he ain't dead yet in spite of popular belief).....along with Randy Moss, DeSean, and Roddy (another speedy guy with size).......and destroy your Mauers of the world (Welker and B-Marshall).......but that is an aside.....Back to the main point.Of course you have to have football skill along with the speed. And in Spiller, along with Charles, Bush, CJ4.24, DeSean, Moss, and others have great football skills, instincts, and I.Q. (understanding of the game of football). You have to know how to set up your runs (via patience and vision) and receptions (via route-running and changing gears). The difference in D-Mac and Spiller is that D-Mac hasn't learned (and may never) how to be patience nor "see" the play developing, whereas Spiller is not lacking in these areas from what I've seen......and I have seen a few games of his plus the highlight reels.See Darren McFadden.....see CJ Spiller....tell me a difference.I see the same player.Jahvid Best is the most creative runner from this class....but can he stay healthy and is small.Dwyer has limited agility and takes awhile to accelerate...but he is the most physical.Mathews is the best combination between Power and Speed back in the class.Spiller....runs fast....its an phenomenon right now(he will be Chris Johnson I know it....wrong). The same people that love football speed....love Home Runs in baseball. Yall will draft the Ryan Howards and I will take Mauer with his OBP of .444Don't forget to mention the explosive, up-the gut (i.e., between the tackles) plays and juking guys out of their socks in phone-booth tight-quarters plays as well......The coaching, game-planning, and utilization/deployment of talent at the NFL level is far more savvy and diligent to not be able to utilize talents of this magnitude. NFL coaches salivate at having guys like Spiller at their disposal. The kid will electrify.The same pessimism that many of you exhibit has also been around for decades (too small this, not strong enough that), and real football players dispel those myths every time. People also seem to have the misconception that Reggie Bush is an NFL bust. Quite the contrary, this guy is an integral part of a championship team who makes plays, a bunch of them. He probably has as many TDs and receptions as anyone on that team since he came into the league......and certainly as many game-changing big plays. And his career is still in progress.Killer speed and agility translates to the NFL. Spiller will be dynamite! But please, don't take my endorsement for this, stay on the sidelines with the glass-half-emptys............benson_will_lead_the_way said:
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
1)Obviously some players in the NFL are fast and productive. Difference between Charles/AP/Chris Johnson and Spiller....is they finish off runs.2)You play in PPR...but how many times was bush startable in a 12 teamer last year? Not many.3) He is not a great/good running back.....in terms of running the football-32 rushing TD's in 52 career games-Spiller by year:FR-129 for 938 7.3 10SO-145 for 768 5.3 3JR-116 for 629 5.4 7SR-216 for 1212 5.6 12-100 yard gamesSpiller in 2009:TCUWake ForestFlorida StateGeorgia TechSpiller in 2008:NoneSpiller in 2007No, I will draft Adrian Peterson (speed, power, and agility), Jamaal Charles (killer speed and wiggle), and C.J. Spiller (see Charles) and Reg Bush (I play PPR, so yeah, he ain't dead yet in spite of popular belief).....along with Randy Moss, DeSean, and Roddy (another speedy guy with size).......and destroy your Mauers of the world (Welker and B-Marshall).......but that is an aside.....Back to the main point.Of course you have to have football skill along with the speed. And in Spiller, along with Charles, Bush, CJ4.24, DeSean, Moss, and others have great football skills, instincts, and I.Q. (understanding of the game of football). You have to know how to set up your runs (via patience and vision) and receptions (via route-running and changing gears). The difference in D-Mac and Spiller is that D-Mac hasn't learned (and may never) how to be patience nor "see" the play developing, whereas Spiller is not lacking in these areas from what I've seen......and I have seen a few games of his plus the highlight reels.See Darren McFadden.....see CJ Spiller....tell me a difference.I see the same player.Jahvid Best is the most creative runner from this class....but can he stay healthy and is small.Dwyer has limited agility and takes awhile to accelerate...but he is the most physical.Mathews is the best combination between Power and Speed back in the class.Spiller....runs fast....its an phenomenon right now(he will be Chris Johnson I know it....wrong). The same people that love football speed....love Home Runs in baseball. Yall will draft the Ryan Howards and I will take Mauer with his OBP of .444Don't forget to mention the explosive, up-the gut (i.e., between the tackles) plays and juking guys out of their socks in phone-booth tight-quarters plays as well......The coaching, game-planning, and utilization/deployment of talent at the NFL level is far more savvy and diligent to not be able to utilize talents of this magnitude. NFL coaches salivate at having guys like Spiller at their disposal. The kid will electrify.The same pessimism that many of you exhibit has also been around for decades (too small this, not strong enough that), and real football players dispel those myths every time. People also seem to have the misconception that Reggie Bush is an NFL bust. Quite the contrary, this guy is an integral part of a championship team who makes plays, a bunch of them. He probably has as many TDs and receptions as anyone on that team since he came into the league......and certainly as many game-changing big plays. And his career is still in progress.Killer speed and agility translates to the NFL. Spiller will be dynamite! But please, don't take my endorsement for this, stay on the sidelines with the glass-half-emptys............benson_will_lead_the_way said:
NC State@ MarylandAuburnSpiller in 2006:Louisiana Tech@Wake ForestGeorgia TechNC StateSouth Carolina- CJ Spiller-606 for 3,547 5.85 32 TD James Davis- 753 for 3,881 5.15 47 TDIs he really "THAT" special?-CJ Spiller finished 25th in the Nation in rushing this past season....that is his best season of his career(eek)
EBF
Footballguy
Here are Chris Johnson's college stats:2004 134 561 4.2 2005 176 684 3.9 2006 78 314 4.0 2007 236 1423 6.0 Not exactly earth-shattering. Spiller averaged well over 5 YPC for his career, which is fine. It's not his fault that he had another NFL RB on the roster and it's not his fault that he didn't get 200+ carries until his senior season. You can't punish a prospect for opportunities he never received. All you can do is hope that he plays well when he gets the chance. Spiller generally did that.I don't think the McFadden comparison is totally off-base. Both of them rely on straight-line speed. However, Spiller is more compact and elusive. McFadden really struggled to change directions and had absolutely no power. That's why it was pretty obvious that he would be a huge flop in the NFL. Spiller doesn't have much leg drive either, but he can cut a lot better. There are no perfect RB prospects in this class. You can point at each of the top 4 guys and find something to nitpick. The reason I have Spiller at #1 is because he's clearly the most dynamic athlete in the group. I think his pro success will hinge pretty on the system that he ends up in. He would be dynamite in a zone blocking scheme that gives him big lanes to work with. And FWIW, while Reggie Bush is very fast, I don't think his game speed is in the uber elite category. Spiller's is. Even at the NFL level, he will be able to run away from everyone. In terms of playing style and physical ability he is more similar to Johnson than he is to Bush.
kremenull
Footballguy
Thanks EBF! I was thinking of the same thing (Chris Johnson's college numbers not being that great). But for me, I really don't need stats and all that to prove my point, they can often supplement some points, but they don't tell the complete story by themselves, so to speak. At this point, I'm not out to sway people one way or another on who they will like or dislike in this draft as opinions will vary, I'm just going to toss a couple of thoughts out there of who I like to eventually be the the top players at each position....FWIWQB - Jimmy ClausenRB - C.J. SpillerWR - Arrelious BennTE - Jermaine GreshamDE - John Paul-PierreDT - Ndamukong SuhOLB - Sean WeatherspoonILB - Rolando McClainCB - Perrish CoxS - Chad Jones......ETA: #1 S Eric Berry (how did I forget about this guy?), Jones honorable mention
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Bob Henry
Footballguy
Good stuff, EBF. On the Spiller comparison in the previous post, I don't like the McFadden comp much either. To be fair though, I'd say Spiller is somewhere between McFadden and Marshall Faulk. Hands, speed, elusiveness, versatility and compact.. but not as thick as Faulk (who was around 20 lbs heavier, give or a take a few). Spiller will be one of those polarizing players in this year's rookie drafts though.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Don't forget to mention the explosive, up-the gut (i.e., between the tackles) plays and juking guys out of their socks in phone-booth tight-quarters plays as well......The coaching, game-planning, and utilization/deployment of talent at the NFL level is far more savvy and diligent to not be able to utilize talents of this magnitude. NFL coaches salivate at having guys like Spiller at their disposal. The kid will electrify.The same pessimism that many of you exhibit has also been around for decades (too small this, not strong enough that), and real football players dispel those myths every time. People also seem to have the misconception that Reggie Bush is an NFL bust. Quite the contrary, this guy is an integral part of a championship team who makes plays, a bunch of them. He probably has as many TDs and receptions as anyone on that team since he came into the league......and certainly as many game-changing big plays. And his career is still in progress.Killer speed and agility translates to the NFL. Spiller will be dynamite! But please, don't take my endorsement for this, stay on the sidelines with the glass-half-emptys............
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I have a video of him I'll be posting in a new thread shortly. You'll be surprised how "compacted" he is, which leads me to now believe that he's shorter than 5'11. This guys is built and I have yet to see the video on here as I ran across it today and it TOTALLY convince me this is by far the best running back in the draft.
HAM
Footballguy
I just traded Adrian Peterson for Frank Gore and the #1 pick in the rookie draft. 12 Team Dynasty League. Havent exactly made up my mind but im leaving heavily towards spiller.. and this video may have just sealed the deal depending on where he ends up.thanks for the great thread and i will be catching up hopefully daily!Funny, I actually went back and watched Chris Johnson's college highlights last night. I have to admit that while his speed and balance are pretty amazing, he didn't look like a guy who was going to rush for 2,000 yards either. I don't think Spiller and Johnson are clones, but they both have the same ridiculous top end speed. I suggest that everybody take a few minutes to watch this Spiller highlight video:Love your stuff man.
Minor complaint and maybe this will sound overly harsh but I'd compare Spiller to Kevin Faulk or Darren Sproles before CJ. Both were really good college players and have been fairly successful in the NFL, Spiller is more likely to produce along those lines and be used the same way than approach 2,000 yards in a season.
my team as it stands now
p.rivers, v.young
f.gore, d.brown, w.mcgahee, s.slaton
l.fitzgerald, ma.clayton, d.heywardbey
j.witten
standard yardage league.. 1pt 20 every 20 yards, 3pt bonus at 100yds and 6pts rushing td.
Jason Pierre-PaulI know we (USF) don't have a storied history, but I want to make sure my man gets full run.Good call, though. He's going to wow some folks at the combine. I've seen him do a standing backflip in full pads. He's a freak!
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I agree....I don't think he is 5'11. I really wonder how much upper body strength he has in that frame. If you look....he is much "stockier", if that is a word, that Chris Johnson....and they are relatively the same weight.
I would avoid any wr that come out of the university of texas..productive college wrs who dissapoint in the pro's
Futeki
Footballguy
Yes, he doesn't look 5'11" 195 or whatever he is supposed to be. He is either shorter or heavier (or both).He looks far closer to the typical NFL RB dimensions.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I seen some picks of him, he's very compact. It wouldn't surprise me if he's in that 5'9-5'10 range.
I went back and have watched some ProDraftParty footage of a few players:
Dez looks like an absolute stud.
I think he's slightly better than Crabtree coming out last year. He's just so athletic and his ability to track and go get the ball is incredible. Total package and a future #1 receiver for the lucky team to get him.
I went back and watched Bradford footage.. I never once saw the kid take a snap from under center which worries me.. I'm in a 2 QB league and I fear drafting him.. I think he could be a Matt Hasselbeck with a few quality years but never reaching the upper levels of elite.
Jimmy Clausen's release is insanely quick, he gets the ball out so quick it's incredible.. his footwork is pretty good and he's got the prostyle offense working for him. I have a feeling he'll be a very good QB in the future for whoever drafts him.
Arrelious Benn I went back and watched because he had such a good year last year and some considered him and Bryant to be neck and neck.
I think the talent is still there.. I think his situation this year was terrible and he was also injured. He's tall, with fairly good hands, great speed and a strong build that when combine time comes around, and everything is done, he'll be a first round pick or some team is going to be sitting pretty in the second and jumping for joy.
Demaryius Thomas, I think this guys just plain raw. Elite measureables, great jump ball skills, decent hands.. but his route running is terrible. This could also be a side effect of that offense but whatever. It is what it is right now.
I want to hear from some others, especially when taking into consideration 2 QB leagues, do you still take Dez first even with the premium that's on QB's? Is he just that good?
Dez looks like an absolute stud.
I think he's slightly better than Crabtree coming out last year. He's just so athletic and his ability to track and go get the ball is incredible. Total package and a future #1 receiver for the lucky team to get him.
I went back and watched Bradford footage.. I never once saw the kid take a snap from under center which worries me.. I'm in a 2 QB league and I fear drafting him.. I think he could be a Matt Hasselbeck with a few quality years but never reaching the upper levels of elite.
Jimmy Clausen's release is insanely quick, he gets the ball out so quick it's incredible.. his footwork is pretty good and he's got the prostyle offense working for him. I have a feeling he'll be a very good QB in the future for whoever drafts him.
Arrelious Benn I went back and watched because he had such a good year last year and some considered him and Bryant to be neck and neck.
I think the talent is still there.. I think his situation this year was terrible and he was also injured. He's tall, with fairly good hands, great speed and a strong build that when combine time comes around, and everything is done, he'll be a first round pick or some team is going to be sitting pretty in the second and jumping for joy.
Demaryius Thomas, I think this guys just plain raw. Elite measureables, great jump ball skills, decent hands.. but his route running is terrible. This could also be a side effect of that offense but whatever. It is what it is right now.
I want to hear from some others, especially when taking into consideration 2 QB leagues, do you still take Dez first even with the premium that's on QB's? Is he just that good?
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
In a 2QB PPR league, I'd take Bradford over Bryant. It is close, but I think the chance for success is just as high, and being a QB, his value would be higher once he hit. Especially if he goes to Washington or Seattle, as those are two pretty good situations to fall into.
I haven't seen as much as a number of you guys but I have several of his games and watched the college skills competition and was impressed. I think he's clearly the top wr out there and IMO only dez bryant and cj spiller are guaranteed to be studs in the NFL. The qbs have things to like about them but they're far from sure things. If you want to take the safe bet(which is what I'd do although to be completly honest I've never played in a 2 qb league) go with bryant
MAC_32
Footballguy
A lot of energy is going to be used on Dwyer, Matthews, Spiller, Best, Bradford, Clausen, and Dez.
Any chance we can focus on the rest of them? The diamonds in the rough found post round 1 are where great dynasties are developed. It's expected that most owners will make a good pick in round 1, but only a few will after that, those ones will have the best teams for years to come.
Any chance we can focus on the rest of them? The diamonds in the rough found post round 1 are where great dynasties are developed. It's expected that most owners will make a good pick in round 1, but only a few will after that, those ones will have the best teams for years to come.
EBF
Footballguy
The guys I have highlighted here that fit that mold are Johnson, Barnes, and Roberts. All of them will fall into the 2nd round of rookie drafts and I think they could all become starters at the next level. Dez Briscoe is another guy with some upside.McCluster is a dynamic playmaker who could make a bigger NFL impact than anticipated.I also think this will be a great year to mine the late 2nd-3rd round for TEs. There are lots of guys with starting potential. Hernandez, J. Graham, McCoy, G. Graham.
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EBF
Footballguy
Dez is the safest bet to become an above average NFL starter, but WRs generally aren't worth much in non-PPR.I say pick your favorite RB and roll the dice. The top four guys are all pretty good.
That highlight video of Spiller is tremendous. It shows me why he should be a top 20 pick in the NFL Draft. I have the 1.03 pick in my rookie draft and I would be pleased to land him at that spot. I'm eager to hear more from those in the know about his inability to find holes in tight spaces. That and the fact that he is slightly injury prone seem to be the main drawbacks. The upside is too good to turn down if he is there at 1.03, if you ask me.
FUBAR
Footballguy
If Spiller ends up in Seattle, what would the value of the pick be? I like Bryant but could sell the pick if Spiller were worth more than Bryant, I'd either trade down or simply deal the pick for a player. Right now, I'm valuing Bryant around Roddy White, Miles Austin or Syndey Rice. If Spiller went to a good spot, is he comparable in value to Wells, Mendenhall, etc?
Garts
Footballguy
juicy in Seattle as he would have little competition..unless you think Forsett steals carries.
EBF
Footballguy
I guess it would depend on my roster, but I would probably lean towards Dez. There is more upside with the RBs and you will probably regret passing on whichever one becomes a superstar, but you will get a solid starter and that's okay.
