EBF
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Too much FF. Must've crossed a wire in my brain.
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[DYNASTY] 2011 Top 20 QB Rankings (1 Viewer)
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Sorry, i didnt see what you said about Fitzpatrick before this.Why do you assume i am basing my thoguhts on Fitzpatrick on his FF numbers? As a Bills fan i wwatched him playevery snap this season with great interest, and his FF success wasnt really my concern. I wasnt a fan of Fitzpatrcik coming into the season, and was rooting against him once he took the starting job. Despite looking for reasons to not like him, i had a hard time finding any.
What is it about Fitzptricks game that you dont like, or is it just his numbers? I dont even think his numbers are that bad when you consider the situation. As far a any "craptastic" QB being able to put up similar numbers with the same opportunity, what about Trent Edwards? The Bills were a MUCH better team once Fitzpatrick took over as the starter.
As a Bills fan, im actually pretty excited to see what Fitzpatrick can do with a full offseason as the starting QB, on what should be an improved offense and what has to be an easier schedule.
Tick
Footballguy
I think you've been listening to British soccer commentators.Others are saying that the depth is great... I look at the list and see Sanchez at 16 and realize that there aren't very many good QBs out there for dynasties right now. I've got Sanchez as a backup and don't feel like I could ever count on him if I had an injury to my starter. I need a live backup, and he'll be a starter in NY for at least two more seasons, so he'll have a pulse, but I'm sure hoping for some lottery ticket like Kolb to hit.
The sad part is, I saw him at 16 and figured EBF was crazy, but when I see who's below him, he's actually in the right spot.
It's odd - I might value a guy like Garrard over a guy like Sanchez. I don't think Sanchez ever becomes someone's QB1 in fantasy, so I'll always be looking for a replacement. Given that, I'd rather have a guy who's likely to score more in a given season than Sanchez, so a cheap short-term veteran like Garrard, Orton, Palmer, or McNabb might fit as a backup more than Sanchez.
Stafford is the one guy I'd put above Sanchez. I think Stafford's a higher risk, for sure, but I think he's got a higher chance of being a useful FF QB than Sanchez.
EBF
Footballguy
I can definitely understand why people would be skeptical about Sanchez. He hasn't played that great overall since joining the NFL. On the other hand, I think there are enough positives about him to justify at least a little hope. One of the things I've mentioned frequently is that he's very inexperienced. He only started one full season in college whereas guys like Freeman, Stafford, and Henne started 3+ years. Sanchez threw far fewer passes than those guys. A case could be made that he's still learning some of the lessons they learned in college solely because that's where he is in his development right now.
Another thing I like about him is his ability to guide a team through the playoffs. I know that his stats haven't been great in every game and that he benefits from a strong supporting cast, but still...4 playoff wins in 2 seasons. There's something to that. Sanchez was a dominant player in his only collegiate season as a starter and he saved his best work for USC's bowl game, in which he picked apart Penn State with 28 completions on 35 attempts for 413 yards and 4 TDs. That's the type of "god mode" game that I love to see from a QB. It's reminiscent of what Aaron Rodgers did against Virginia Tech and USC, or what Andrew Luck did during the entire second half of the 2010 season.
In some ways, Sanchez's early career reminds me of Tom Brady's. Nowadays people take it for granted that Brady is a superstar, but when he first came onto the scene he was viewed as a game manager who played just well enough to keep his team in the game. In his first two seasons as a starter, here's what he did:
2001
Completion Percentage - 63.9%
Yards per Attempt - 6.9
TD to INT Ratio - 1.5 to 1
QB Rating - 86.5
2002
Completion Percentage - 62.1%
Yards per Attempt - 6.3
TD to INT Ratio - 2.0 to 1
QB Rating - 85.7
These really aren't spectacular numbers. The yards per attempt is especially pedestrian. Brady wasn't really a dominant passer right off the bat. However, he has always been highly accurate and has always done a good job of protecting the football.
For the sake of comparison, here is what Sanchez has done in two seasons as a starter:
2009
Completion Percentage - 53.8%
Yards per Attempt - 6.7
TD to INT Ratio - 0.6 to 1
QB Rating - 63.0
2010
Completion Percentage - 54.8%
Yards per Attempt - 6.5
TD to INT Ratio - 1.31 to 1
QB Rating - 75.3
The yards per attempt resembles a young Brady (which is not necessarily a good thing) and the TD to INT ratio improved considerably in year two. The big thing that stands out is the lack of accuracy. Brady has always been a 60%+ passer. Sanchez has hovered around 54%. That's not good. Interestingly, accuracy was his main problem last Sunday versus New England. He consistently recognized the open receiver and delivered the ball on time, but his pass placement was spotty. I think that's the main thing holding him back right now. I don't know whether it's something he can overcome or whether it will continue to haunt him. It's the $64,000 question right now with Sanchez.
If he improves as much as Eli and Brady, he can still become an elite QB. If not, he'll probably kick around the league as a mediocrity. He completed 65.8% of his passes in his final season at USC, which suggests that he's not inherently inaccurate. Perhaps the most interesting thing is his playoff track record. If you consider the five playoff games that he has played in to date, here are his stats by year:
2009
Completion Percentage - 60.3%
Yards per Attempt - 7.9
TD to INT Ratio - 2.0 to 1
QB Rating - 92.7
2010
Completion Percentage - 60.7%
Yards per Attempt - 6.8
TD to INT Ratio - 3.0 to 1
QB Rating - 91.6
I think it's really interesting that he has consistently managed to elevate his level of play when it matters most. I can't really fathom why this happens, but I have to read it as a positive. He just needs to find a way to play like this during the regular season.
Another thing I like about him is his ability to guide a team through the playoffs. I know that his stats haven't been great in every game and that he benefits from a strong supporting cast, but still...4 playoff wins in 2 seasons. There's something to that. Sanchez was a dominant player in his only collegiate season as a starter and he saved his best work for USC's bowl game, in which he picked apart Penn State with 28 completions on 35 attempts for 413 yards and 4 TDs. That's the type of "god mode" game that I love to see from a QB. It's reminiscent of what Aaron Rodgers did against Virginia Tech and USC, or what Andrew Luck did during the entire second half of the 2010 season.
In some ways, Sanchez's early career reminds me of Tom Brady's. Nowadays people take it for granted that Brady is a superstar, but when he first came onto the scene he was viewed as a game manager who played just well enough to keep his team in the game. In his first two seasons as a starter, here's what he did:
2001
Completion Percentage - 63.9%
Yards per Attempt - 6.9
TD to INT Ratio - 1.5 to 1
QB Rating - 86.5
2002
Completion Percentage - 62.1%
Yards per Attempt - 6.3
TD to INT Ratio - 2.0 to 1
QB Rating - 85.7
These really aren't spectacular numbers. The yards per attempt is especially pedestrian. Brady wasn't really a dominant passer right off the bat. However, he has always been highly accurate and has always done a good job of protecting the football.
For the sake of comparison, here is what Sanchez has done in two seasons as a starter:
2009
Completion Percentage - 53.8%
Yards per Attempt - 6.7
TD to INT Ratio - 0.6 to 1
QB Rating - 63.0
2010
Completion Percentage - 54.8%
Yards per Attempt - 6.5
TD to INT Ratio - 1.31 to 1
QB Rating - 75.3
The yards per attempt resembles a young Brady (which is not necessarily a good thing) and the TD to INT ratio improved considerably in year two. The big thing that stands out is the lack of accuracy. Brady has always been a 60%+ passer. Sanchez has hovered around 54%. That's not good. Interestingly, accuracy was his main problem last Sunday versus New England. He consistently recognized the open receiver and delivered the ball on time, but his pass placement was spotty. I think that's the main thing holding him back right now. I don't know whether it's something he can overcome or whether it will continue to haunt him. It's the $64,000 question right now with Sanchez.
If he improves as much as Eli and Brady, he can still become an elite QB. If not, he'll probably kick around the league as a mediocrity. He completed 65.8% of his passes in his final season at USC, which suggests that he's not inherently inaccurate. Perhaps the most interesting thing is his playoff track record. If you consider the five playoff games that he has played in to date, here are his stats by year:
2009
Completion Percentage - 60.3%
Yards per Attempt - 7.9
TD to INT Ratio - 2.0 to 1
QB Rating - 92.7
2010
Completion Percentage - 60.7%
Yards per Attempt - 6.8
TD to INT Ratio - 3.0 to 1
QB Rating - 91.6
I think it's really interesting that he has consistently managed to elevate his level of play when it matters most. I can't really fathom why this happens, but I have to read it as a positive. He just needs to find a way to play like this during the regular season.
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
While I don't think Fitzpatrick will ever be an elite QB I think he is good enough to hang on to a starters job with the Bills for a few seasons. I have always liked him even as a rookie prospect. He has already accomplished more than I think anyone expected from him and he seems to be getting better as he gains more experience.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Agree with this. And the thing people always forget when talking about these not-quite-good QBs is that it's just not that easy to find a guy who's better than the 20-somethingth NFL QB. Who are you going to replace Young, Henne, Fitzpatrick, Campbell, Orton, McNabb and etc with?
Agreed. im not suggesting Fitzpatrick is going to be the next Brady or Brees. I do think he can be a solid NFL starter and startable FF QB for the next several years.
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