[Dynasty] 2014 Draft Prospects (2 Viewers)

[starks]

I think Sankey vs Hyde is a fascinating question.

Sankey 2015 vs Hyde 2015, I have to think favors Hyde. 2014 obviously favors Sankey.

I don't want this to be an assistant coach column but it's interesting to me that you can almost re-project the backs in 2015 terms and even a guy like Freeman might be ahead of Sankey.

For rebuilding teams, I wonder whether the RB order shouldn't be Hyde-Freeman-Sankey.

I see the same similarities in Watkins vs Evans.

 

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Carlos Hyde in the NFL

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Jeremy Hill, RB (LSU) - drafted by Cincinnati Bengals

Tre Mason

Bishop Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft

Ka'Deem Carey, RB (U. of Arizona) - drafted by Chicago Bears

Lache Seastrunk - RB - Baylor

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Alfred Blue Hou- Overlooked Prospect?

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Cody Latimer

Sammy Watkins the next Andre Johnson...

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[Faust]

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[Faust]

@AdamSchefter

Different approach with rookie QBs. Jags don't want to play Bortles this year, Vikes not rushing Bridgewater, same with Raiders and Carr.

 

[EBF]

Most of my rookie drafts are over or winding down.

I'm surprised at how low Jerick McKinnon is going. He's a workout freak. On the field, I think he looks like he could end up as a Darius Reynaud-like tweener. Not quite a RB. Not quite a WR. Not quite a DB. All the same, he's nominally a RB for the time being and the Vikings spent a high pick on him considering he's a smalll school guy and a QB convert. High draft slot. Elite athletic tools. Decent long-term situation behind an aging starter. I'm surprised there isn't a little more hype. In terms of build/measurables/running style he reminds me of David Wilson. Whether or not that's a good or bad thing, I'm not quite sure.

DLF currently has him at rookie #41 behind numerous guys who seem unlikely to make an impact (Abbrederis, Coleman, White, Herron, Janis, Lyerla, Niklas). He went a little higher than that in most of my drafts, but still pretty low overall. Seems well worth a dice roll as an early-late 3rd round rookie pick.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Most of my rookie drafts are over or winding down.

I'm surprised at how low Jerick McKinnon is going. He's a workout freak. On the field, I think he looks like he could end up as a Darius Reynaud-like tweener. Not quite a RB. Not quite a WR. Not quite a DB. All the same, he's nominally a RB for the time being and the Vikings spent a high pick on him considering he's a smalll school guy and a QB convert. High draft slot. Elite athletic tools. Decent long-term situation behind an aging starter. I'm surprised there isn't a little more hype. In terms of build/measurables/running style he reminds me of David Wilson. Whether or not that's a good or bad thing, I'm not quite sure.

DLF currently has him at rookie #41 behind numerous guys who seem unlikely to make an impact (Abbrederis, Coleman, White, Herron, Janis, Lyerla, Niklas). He went a little higher than that in most of my drafts, but still pretty low overall. Seems well worth a dice roll as an early-late 3rd round rookie pick.

I like him, but no way I can get behind his situation. You're staring at potentially 2-3 years of nothing from him. See Toby Gerhart

 

[EBF]

Can't get too picky in the 3rd round of a rookie draft. You're not usually going to find instant help there.

 

[Milkman]

How's McKinnon's hands? If he can catch the ball out of the backfield I could see him seeing the field this year as a 3rd down back.

 

[ShaHBucks]

You can only like his situation if you're handuffing AP

 

[Donnybrook]

All the reports I have read suggests that he is a natural hands catcher. It has been suggested that Norv wants to use him in a "Darren Sproles" type role.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I like him, but no way I can get behind his situation. You're staring at potentially 2-3 years of nothing from him. See Toby Gerhart

Every RB in the draft except Sankey you're hoping for either injury or failure of the veterans ahead of him. The ones you're hoping for failure go in the top 15 (Mason, Freeman).

 

[ShaHBucks]

I like him, but no way I can get behind his situation. You're staring at potentially 2-3 years of nothing from him. See Toby Gerhart

Every RB in the draft except Sankey you're hoping for either injury or failure of the veterans ahead of him. The ones you're hoping for failure go in the top 15 (Mason, Freeman).

I'm not into drafting Mason or Freeman in the top-15. Even if you like those guys they will be on sale for half off later in the season like Monte Ball was last year. McKinnon in the 3rd, ok, wth..

Suppy and demand makes Sankey even more valuable. He's the only RB is can get behind drafting high. If I need a WR I have like 100 to choose from.

 

[Milkman]

I agree with the supply and demand argument but you have to think Sankey is talented too if you're going to take him in front of a WR or TE picked in the 1st round. I happen to believe Sankey is very underrated on this forum because some of the more popular posters have come out and said he's not special. Great college production + great combine + great situation + first RB drafted is a combination I'm having a hard time not getting excited about.. Barring an injury I could see him being TN 3 down back for 4-6 years. That's super valuable. There is a case for Sankey going #1 overall. He's not going #1 in any rookie drafts so I know I'm in the minority when I say that.

 

[EBF]

I like him, but no way I can get behind his situation. You're staring at potentially 2-3 years of nothing from him. See Toby Gerhart

Every RB in the draft except Sankey you're hoping for either injury or failure of the veterans ahead of him. The ones you're hoping for failure go in the top 15 (Mason, Freeman).

I'm not into drafting Mason or Freeman in the top-15. Even if you like those guys they will be on sale for half off later in the season like Monte Ball was last year. McKinnon in the 3rd, ok, wth..

Suppy and demand makes Sankey even more valuable. He's the only RB is can get behind drafting high. If I need a WR I have like 100 to choose from.

Maybe I am just drunk on the Kool-Aid, but I don't think Mason is going to ride the pine this season. At a minimum I'd expect him to chip in with 6-10 carries per game. I look for a rookie year somewhere between Ray Rice and Gio Bernard. Point being, if you like him then I don't recommend waiting to buy him. Especially since his price isn't exorbitant from what I've seen so far. Typically going around the 13th-16th picks in my mandatory 1RB leagues and just slightly higher in my 2RB leagues.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I like him, but no way I can get behind his situation. You're staring at potentially 2-3 years of nothing from him. See Toby Gerhart

Every RB in the draft except Sankey you're hoping for either injury or failure of the veterans ahead of him. The ones you're hoping for failure go in the top 15 (Mason, Freeman).

I'm not into drafting Mason or Freeman in the top-15. Even if you like those guys they will be on sale for half off later in the season like Monte Ball was last year. McKinnon in the 3rd, ok, wth..Suppy and demand makes Sankey even more valuable. He's the only RB is can get behind drafting high. If I need a WR I have like 100 to choose from.

Maybe I am just drunk on the Kool-Aid, but I don't think Mason is going to ride the pine this season. At a minimum I'd expect him to chip in with 6-10 carries per game. I look for a rookie year somewhere between Ray Rice and Gio Bernard. Point being, if you like him then I don't recommend waiting to buy him. Especially since his price isn't exorbitant from what I've seen so far. Typically going around the 13th-16th picks in my mandatory 1RB leagues and just slightly higher in my 2RB leagues.

I seen him go from 9-17. That's too rich for me. I don't believe he's better than Stacy or Cunningham. They aren't Pead/Richardson 2.0. At minimun, they're all equal talents. You'd still want Stacy in for goal line work and blocking situations because he's built for it. That means Mason won't get the easy TDs. I can't predict Mason doing anything special this season. At best he retains his value. There is no safety in that.

 

[Donsmith753]

I'll be honest EBF, I was shocked to see you pick him where you did. That's the highest he's gone in any draft I've been in so far by quite some distance...

 

[EBF]

It was a reach for sure. I haven't taken him higher than 13th anywhere else. Don't really see Beckham as an impact player in a league that's only starting 36 WRs max. Don't need Ebron with Graham on the roster and didn't want to draft him to trade him in that league. Cooks was probably the logical pick, but I've never been totally sold on him. Don't care about Adams, Matthews, etc that high. Had a thin RB group. Just Michael/Stewart/Pierce/Knile. Rest of the team is ready to compete now. There you have it. Could've traded down or traded out of the slot entirely. Didn't really want to bother. That league is wacky and with Hyde/Sankey gone in the first 4 picks, nothing was guaranteed for the next man up on my RB list.

I like Mason. I think he's underrated. I think Ray Rice fell to 1.08-1.09 in that league when he was a rookie. I passed on him earlier in the draft and then tried (unsuccessfully) to trade back into the 1st to get him. Better to get the guy you wanted for a particular team than to miss out on him because the pick you're holding doesn't align with where he's "supposed to" go in the draft. As long as you've made the right call on the player, you can get away with reaching a bit.

Having said all that, I have no excuse for not exploring trade options beyond sheer impatience. Guilty as charged there.

 

[EBF]

I seen him go from 9-17. That's too rich for me. I don't believe he's better than Stacy or Cunningham. They aren't Pead/Richardson 2.0. At minimun, they're all equal talents. You'd still want Stacy in for goal line work and blocking situations because he's built for it. That means Mason won't get the easy TDs. I can't predict Mason doing anything special this season. At best he retains his value. There is no safety in that.

On that note:

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/tag/_/name/tre-mason

RB Tre MasonThe stat: In short yardage situations (0 to 2 yards to go), Mason converted a first down on 76.5 percent of his carries, which is the highest percentage among running backs with at least 25 such carries.

What it means for the Rams: Although they were better with Zac Stacy as the primary back, the Rams struggled mightily in short yardage situations last year. They were 31st in the league in 2013, converting third-and-2 or less 47.1 percent of their attempts. Mason could find himself on the field in those key situations if his propensity for gaining those tough yards carries over.

I've got no bold predictions about Mason's rookie year, but I don't think Fisher drafted him to watch from the sidelines.

I think he's a solid prospect and he'll find a productive role there.

 

[Donsmith753]

I don't think it was necessarily a bad pick, I can see why you made it with your roster etc, RB's are really important with only start 2WR. It just surprised me.

But then it also surprised me when Sankey and Hyde went in the top 4. I was dead set on taking one of them.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I seen him go from 9-17. That's too rich for me. I don't believe he's better than Stacy or Cunningham. They aren't Pead/Richardson 2.0. At minimun, they're all equal talents. You'd still want Stacy in for goal line work and blocking situations because he's built for it. That means Mason won't get the easy TDs. I can't predict Mason doing anything special this season. At best he retains his value. There is no safety in that.

On that note:

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/tag/_/name/tre-mason

RB Tre MasonThe stat: In short yardage situations (0 to 2 yards to go), Mason converted a first down on 76.5 percent of his carries, which is the highest percentage among running backs with at least 25 such carries.What it means for the Rams: Although they were better with Zac Stacy as the primary back, the Rams struggled mightily in short yardage situations last year. They were 31st in the league in 2013, converting third-and-2 or less 47.1 percent of their attempts. Mason could find himself on the field in those key situations if his propensity for gaining those tough yards carries over.

I've got no bold predictions about Mason's rookie year, but I don't think Fisher drafted him to watch from the sidelines.

I think he's a solid prospect and he'll find a productive role there.

You can make stats lie. Stacy didn't take every carry. Mason had Greg Robinson. So does Stacy now.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I seen him go from 9-17. That's too rich for me. I don't believe he's better than Stacy or Cunningham. They aren't Pead/Richardson 2.0. At minimun, they're all equal talents. You'd still want Stacy in for goal line work and blocking situations because he's built for it. That means Mason won't get the easy TDs. I can't predict Mason doing anything special this season. At best he retains his value. There is no safety in that.

On that note:

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/tag/_/name/tre-mason

RB Tre MasonThe stat: In short yardage situations (0 to 2 yards to go), Mason converted a first down on 76.5 percent of his carries, which is the highest percentage among running backs with at least 25 such carries.What it means for the Rams: Although they were better with Zac Stacy as the primary back, the Rams struggled mightily in short yardage situations last year. They were 31st in the league in 2013, converting third-and-2 or less 47.1 percent of their attempts. Mason could find himself on the field in those key situations if his propensity for gaining those tough yards carries over.

I've got no bold predictions about Mason's rookie year, but I don't think Fisher drafted him to watch from the sidelines.

I think he's a solid prospect and he'll find a productive role there.

See I. Pead and T. Austin

 

[EBF]

Mason is no Pead.

 

[Milkman]

Mason is very decisive on his cuts. Couple that with his great vision behind that beastly line and he could be great. I still don't like his situation though. Stacy is going to get the GL work and he's going to look good behind that line as well.

 

[Brewtown]

I agree with the supply and demand argument but you have to think Sankey is talented too if you're going to take him in front of a WR or TE picked in the 1st round. I happen to believe Sankey is very underrated on this forum because some of the more popular posters have come out and said he's not special. Great college production + great combine + great situation + first RB drafted is a combination I'm having a hard time not getting excited about.. Barring an injury I could see him being TN 3 down back for 4-6 years. That's super valuable. There is a case for Sankey going #1 overall. He's not going #1 in any rookie drafts so I know I'm in the minority when I say that.

I will be drafting him at 1.1 next week...

 

[Mingooch]

lack of pass blocking is what can and likely will hold Mason back. Love him as a runner, but if he cannot block, he wont see the field enough.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I don't think I've ever seen such a one-track minded poster. I was going to jokingly say EBF with Stewart...but he brings a ton to the table besides that and always has. I'm starting to think we actually have Bishop Sankey on our board here.

 

[EBF]

I'm about 99% sure he's just a huge troll winding people up for his own amusement. When you continue to acknowledge him and treat his opinions like they're sincere, it only encourages him to keep posting. He just wants a reaction. When he doesn't get it, he resorts to bumping his own posts with his alias like this.

As trolls go, he isn't even funny. Just spouts the same crap about Sankey and 1-2 other players constantly.

 

[Brewtown]

I'm about 99% sure he's just a huge troll winding people up for his own amusement. When you continue to acknowledge him and treat his opinions like they're sincere, it only encourages him to keep posting. He just wants a reaction. When he doesn't get it, he resorts to bumping his own posts with his alias like this.

As trolls go, he isn't even funny. Just spouts the same crap about Sankey and 1-2 other players constantly.

I'm a troll hey...

My opinions are not sincere: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=706145&hl=brewtown

Your opinion about me is as wrong as your opinion regarding Sankey, and your post makes you sound as if you are 13 years old.

 

[EBF]

Maybe this was already posted, but here's a pretty comprehensive database of SPARQ numbers for this draft class:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AttOyhCt-A87dEkzNHduMXRwcUdfZTV3bC16R0MzOXc&usp=sharing#gid=15

I like Allen Robinson, but I noticed they used his pro day results instead of his combine results. I wonder where he would've ranked if they had used the higher weight and the slower times of the combine vs. the pro day where he was 12 pounds lighter and tested far better otherwise.

 

[Louche]

Most of my rookie drafts are over or winding down.

I'm surprised at how low Jerick McKinnon is going. He's a workout freak. On the field, I think he looks like he could end up as a Darius Reynaud-like tweener. Not quite a RB. Not quite a WR. Not quite a DB. All the same, he's nominally a RB for the time being and the Vikings spent a high pick on him considering he's a smalll school guy and a QB convert. High draft slot. Elite athletic tools. Decent long-term situation behind an aging starter. I'm surprised there isn't a little more hype. In terms of build/measurables/running style he reminds me of David Wilson. Whether or not that's a good or bad thing, I'm not quite sure.

DLF currently has him at rookie #41 behind numerous guys who seem unlikely to make an impact (Abbrederis, Coleman, White, Herron, Janis, Lyerla, Niklas). He went a little higher than that in most of my drafts, but still pretty low overall. Seems well worth a dice roll as an early-late 3rd round rookie pick.

3:40 in this video is pretty funny: http://youtu.be/j9M87YZeTQU

The only ones I've seen be really high on him is Fake Football that have him as their #2 rookie RB. I've been picking him up in the 4th and 5th round in IDPs. He's the kind of player that can rise in value over the next year even without playing a single snap just because of his combine numbers. When FF writers start searching for sleepers next March I'm sure his name will start popping up.

 

[EBF]

This probably belongs in the "nobody cares" file, but after the conclusion of all my rookie drafts and one post-draft trade I ended up with the following distribution of rookies across my seven dynasty teams. I'm including Moncrief here, although he was actually a holdover from a 2013 dev draft in that league.

Eric Ebron - 5

Tre Mason - 4
Allen Robinson - 4

Blake Bortles - 1
Mike Evans - 1
Jimmy Garoppolo - 1
Jeremy Hill - 1
Jerick McKinnon - 1
Donte Moncrief - 1
Paul Richardson - 1
Lache Seastrunk - 1
Terrance West - 1
Andre Williams - 1

I also have WR Eric Thomas in six leagues, but I consider him just a flyer and mostly grabbed him off waivers instead of using a pick.

Obviously I like the value of Ebron, Mason, and Robinson around their ADP range. I have those guys on a bunch of teams and then I have a huge number of guys on one team each. I think that shows the difference between players you like enough to go out and specifically target vs. players you only like enough to draft when they sort of fall right into your lap. I certainly never had any plans to get Hill, Bortles, or West. It just sort of happened.

One of the interesting things doing multiple drafts over the span of a few weeks is seeing how your own thoughts and ideas evolve as you have more time to think about these players. I took West and Seastrunk somewhat high in one of my early drafts, but if I were picking for that same league today I'm not sure I'd take them. I just took Richardson and McKinnon with back-to-back picks today. I can't see myself drafting them two weeks ago. Some guys seem to look a little better with more perspective and others seem to look worse. It's almost like there's a stagger with the guys we overrated in the build-up to the draft being picked too high in rookie drafts (i.e. Seastrunk, Crowell, Bryant) and the guys who were picked earlier by the NFL than expected and/or had a low profile falling to spots in rookie drafts where they seem to represent good value (i.e. Richardson, McKinnon).

Anyways, this is a pretty deep class. Depending on your format, you can get a legitimately interesting prospect like Andre Williams, Paul Richardson, Jimmy Garoppolo, or Jerick McKinnon with a 3rd round rookie pick. It feels deeper than last year and probably deeper than what we'll see next year.

 

[JFS171]

I don't think I've ever seen such a one-track minded poster. I was going to jokingly say EBF with Stewart...but he brings a ton to the table besides that and always has. I'm starting to think we actually have Bishop Sankey on our board here.

I'm about 99% sure he's just a huge troll winding people up for his own amusement. When you continue to acknowledge him and treat his opinions like they're sincere, it only encourages him to keep posting. He just wants a reaction. When he doesn't get it, he resorts to bumping his own posts with his alias like this.

As trolls go, he isn't even funny. Just spouts the same crap about Sankey and 1-2 other players constantly.

I'm telling you guys - the ignore function is a great, GREAT thing. I was confused by ConnSKINS post at first even, thanks to the ignore function. Makes the board much more enjoyable to be able to skip the junk.

 

[Faust]

Ka'Deem Carey, Tre Mason expect major roles in 2014

 

[LususV]

Anyways, this is a pretty deep class. Depending on your format, you can get a legitimately interesting prospect like Andre Williams, Paul Richardson, Jimmy Garoppolo, or Jerick McKinnon with a 3rd round rookie pick. It feels deeper than last year and probably deeper than what we'll see next year.

Absolutely. I made a trade when I could (dealt my (presumed) late '15 1st for 2.12+3.01) with the intention of landing 3 of ASJ, Paul Richardson, and one of Manziel/Bridgewater. I wasn't able to close a subsequent trade to guarantee that, and ended up with Bridgewater+Carey+Sims, which is still a decent 2nd round trio (later dealt Carey for Rueben Randle).

Possibly regret that deal if I have a worse 2014 than expected, but I think once next year's draft comes, I'll be happy with the haul.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Xue,

if you could let us know what electronic times you personally clocked for Stacy and Mason in their respective 40s in the past two combines, that might be instructive on the STL RB debate, and would be much appreciated.

* I think Stacy was "officially" about 4.53, and Mason was about 4.50 (but another report said a scouting data aggregator had Mason at 4.45)?

 

[Xue]

Xue,

if you could let us know what electronic times you personally clocked for Stacy and Mason in their respective 40s in the past two combines, that might be instructive on the STL RB debate, and would be much appreciated.

* I think Stacy was "officially" about 4.53, and Mason was about 4.50 (but another report said a scouting data aggregator had Mason at 4.45)?

I have Stacy at 4.54 and Mason at 4.55, but these are only based on one run each. Mason didn't look to be running all that hard after the first 10 yards. His split was 1.60 vs 1.62 for Stacy.

Either way, as much as I care about measuring the 40 accurately and despite the numbers I got, Mason looks more explosive on the field than Stacy in my eyes.

 

[Faust]

NFL rookie projections: Sammy Watkins, Johnny Manziel, more

 

[Winning IS Everything]

It was a reach for sure. I haven't taken him higher than 13th anywhere else. Don't really see Beckham as an impact player in a league that's only starting 36 WRs max. Don't need Ebron with Graham on the roster and didn't want to draft him to trade him in that league. Cooks was probably the logical pick, but I've never been totally sold on him. Don't care about Adams, Matthews, etc that high. Had a thin RB group. Just Michael/Stewart/Pierce/Knile. Rest of the team is ready to compete now. There you have it. Could've traded down or traded out of the slot entirely. Didn't really want to bother. That league is wacky and with Hyde/Sankey gone in the first 4 picks, nothing was guaranteed for the next man up on my RB list.

I like Mason. I think he's underrated. I think Ray Rice fell to 1.08-1.09 in that league when he was a rookie. I passed on him earlier in the draft and then tried (unsuccessfully) to trade back into the 1st to get him. Better to get the guy you wanted for a particular team than to miss out on him because the pick you're holding doesn't align with where he's "supposed to" go in the draft. As long as you've made the right call on the player, you can get away with reaching a bit.

Having said all that, I have no excuse for not exploring trade options beyond sheer impatience. Guilty as charged there.

Yeah, but one has to be very careful when trading back for a guy like Mason. Can he last until the mid 2nd? Yes, and he has been in many leagues. However, there are also the Zac Stacy owners or haters of the world to be weary of. The Stacy owner in my league has the 1.10 pick and I would bet will draft Mason if he is there. I have the 1.9 and will beat him to it. If I were to explore a trade back, I doubt I would get Mason. So yes, a trade back can work, but it can also come back to burn you as well. If you wanted Mason, be happy with it regardless of what pick you used to draft him.

 

[Faust]

Rams' Dri Archer compared to Chiefs' Jamaal Charles?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Steelers' Dri Archer compared to Chiefs' Jamaal Charles?

Does that mean Todd Haley's going to find a half-dozen guys who suck to play in front of Archer?

 

[ShaHBucks]

Maybe this was already posted, but here's a pretty comprehensive database of SPARQ numbers for this draft class:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AttOyhCt-A87dEkzNHduMXRwcUdfZTV3bC16R0MzOXc&usp=sharing#gid=15

I like Allen Robinson, but I noticed they used his pro day results instead of his combine results. I wonder where he would've ranked if they had used the higher weight and the slower times of the combine vs. the pro day where he was 12 pounds lighter and tested far better otherwise.

I didn't think anyone cared about SPRQ when I 1st posted about it....Didn't the give out the formula to calculate it? I'd have to guess Robinson would be in the below average range for if not for the pro-day results.

 

[Faust]

Kaepernick: “Bruce (Ellington) has been amazing.”

 

[Faust]

2014 Fantasy Football Rankings: Breaking Down the Top 40 Rookies for 2014

 

[Brewtown]

Rotoworld:

CBS Sports' Dane Brugler believes Ohio State RB Carlos Hyde is the only running back he'd consider taking in the top-60 picks.

"There is only one running back I'd consider taking in the top-60 picks this year - Ohio State RB Carlos Hyde. Plenty of quality running backs in 3rd-5th rounds," Brugler tweeted. Hyde has a good chance to be the first RB off the board in this years draft. After an impressive Pro Day, some scouts believe he could even go in the first-round. Our own Josh Norris has compared Hyde to Zac Stacy and Frank Gore and also believes he'll be the first running back off the board.

Source: Dane Brugler on Twitter

I like Hyde. But Im maintaining that Sankey and Mason will have better careers in the pros...

And if I had to take one in the draft, Id go Sankey above both

I have been putting in some more time lately trying to crack this RB class. Overall, I think it's a very pedestrian group. There are lots of 2nd-4th round guys, but nobody with the right stuff to warrant a 1st round pick. So if you're looking at this group trying to find that prospect, I don't think you'll have much luck. That guy isn't in the pool this year. Lots of these backs check off some of the boxes, but nobody has everything.

As far as Hyde goes, he is a fluid runner with a great frame, very good feet/hips, good hands, and good balance. The issue is that he's a one speed runner with no second gear at all. He is efficient and economical, but there's no burst. So my hunch is that he's just going to be a jack-of-all-trades grinder in the NFL whose lack of dynamic qualities prevents him from becoming an elite back on his own merits. He could still put up gaudy FF stats if fed carries and targets ala Arian Foster and LeVeon Bell, but he's not going to suddenly become Fred Taylor or Ahman Green and bust off big runs with his speed.

Sankey is a stud and has checked off every box, and this RB class is way better than last years class!!

There may not be a first round back again? Times have changed....

Sankey

Mason

Hill

Hyde

Seastrunk

Carey

Crowell

Sims

Williams

Storm

West

Lot of talent there...

Pedestrian RB class in 2014 - huh - you don't say...

 

[Winning IS Everything]

I will say that Hyde looked great against the ones last night, and of course Williams looked great last weekend. Hill and Seastrunk showed well also, but it was later in the games. Looking forward to seeing what Sankey, Mason, Sims, West and Crowell do this weekend.