[Dynasty] 2014 Draft Prospects (2 Viewers)

[EBF]

Interesting that neither Rang nor Brugler has Seastrunk in the first round. Not sure if that says more about him as a prospect or the devalued state of the RB position. Probably a little bit of both.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Interesting that neither Rang nor Brugler has Seastrunk in the first round. Not sure if that says more about him as a prospect or the devalued state of the RB position. Probably a little bit of both.

It's easy to brush aside such ridiculous production as being system-aided. And to a degree it is.

But I think people are really sleeping on just how much Seastrunk is going to destroy the combine.

 

[EBF]

Yeah, I think if David Wilson can go in the first round then Seastrunk can too. Is he a top 15 pick? Probably not. Will he become BPA at some point in the 20-32 range? I think there's a good chance that he will.

 

[EBF]

I'm also surprised that both of those analysts have Jordan Matthews as a 1st round pick. Could be that I'm just missing something with him, but picking today he'd be nowhere near my top 3-4 receivers in the draft. I think he could be the Brian Robiskie of this WR class.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I'm also surprised that both of those analysts have Jordan Matthews as a 1st round pick. Could be that I'm just missing something with him, but picking today he'd be nowhere near my top 3-4 receivers in the draft. I think he could be the Brian Robiskie of this WR class.

I guess I understand what you're saying, but I would suggest you haven't seen enough of Matthews. I don't think that's a fair comparison at all. I think Matthews actually does have some explosiveness to his game.

 

[jeter23]

Yeah, I think if David Wilson can go in the first round then Seastrunk can too. Is he a top 15 pick? Probably not. Will he become BPA at some point in the 20-32 range? I think there's a good chance that he will.

Guys like David Wilson might be the exact reason he, or any other RB, won't go in the 1st. I think 2015 will be a different story though.

 

[EBF]

I think he's a different beast from Wilson, who (IMO) had suspect vision and took too many big hits (more athlete than football player). I see Seastrunk as being a comparable athlete (maybe not quite as explosive), but a much better running back.

I might be the only guy on the planet who isn't that wowed by the 2015 draft. I've got what's likely the #2 devy pick for that class in one league and I don't see anyone who has completely convinced me yet. I'll probably end up rating Gurley pretty high, but I have some questions about his explosiveness. Yeldon is good, but he's got that weird running style. I'm not super high on Mike Davis, Byron Marshall, Keith Marshall, or Duke Johnson right now. Maybe Gordon comes back for his Junior year to give to give the class a boost. There's some question of whether he's just a straight-line speedster being propped up by the system though. WR class looks dire. Diggs is the best player in the group, but very slightly built and already has one lower body injury on his track record. Unless some players unexpectedly come back to school, I think 2014 will probably be a better class overall. I would take Seastrunk as the #1 NFL RB prospect in college football right now. Gurley and Yeldon probably 2 and 3. Then it gets messier with a bigger cluster of guys like Gordon, Tyner, and Freeman vying for spots.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Anyone have thoughts about Charles Sims? Some parts of his profile look strong but I have no idea about any of the measurables stuff yet.

 

[Faust]

Anyone have thoughts about Charles Sims? Some parts of his profile look strong but I have no idea about any of the measurables stuff yet.

Scout's Take: WVU's Charles Sims has Matt Forte-like talent

 

[Rodeojones]

2014 NFL Mock Drafts Updated: 11/19/13

Jace Amaro is quietly moving up people's draft boards. 11 and 19 in this mock. Brugler penciled him to GB at 19th...that would be a great place for him.

 

[Xue]

Curious as to the weight you guys give age in the evaluation process?

For example, the top 4 WR prospects (roughly) are Watkins, Evans, Lee, Robinson. Watkins, Evans, and Robinson are all just 20 years old - born in the late summer to fall of 1993. Lee was born in November of 91, so while the other three are dominating at age 20, he's gonna turn 22 in a week.

Obviously Lee dominated at age 20 as well, but does it make a difference? What do you guys think?

2 years isn't much different. WRs in general don't do much their first few seasons anyway. I'd be more worried about old RBs and QBs.

 

[Xue]

NFL Draft: Norris' Top 32

Brandin Cooks is getting a lot of love lately, and rightly so I suppose given his insane production, but there's something about his game that I just don't think it'll mesh all that well in the NFL. Granted I haven't watched him a tonne, but he seems to make a lot of big plays by winning jump balls, which I don't think he's going to be able to do nearly as consistently in the NFL as a 5'10 WR.

Antonio Brown with slightly more speed. He's legit in my eyes. Another 5'10" guy with speed than can do it all: TY Hilton.

Cooks averages 13.44 yards after catch on screen plays, which is insane: http://secondroundstats.com/2013/11/06/2014tier1wr/

And according to the article, he also runs a variety of routes outside of a "go" route and makes plays in all lengths of the field.

 

[Xue]

I'm also surprised that both of those analysts have Jordan Matthews as a 1st round pick. Could be that I'm just missing something with him, but picking today he'd be nowhere near my top 3-4 receivers in the draft. I think he could be the Brian Robiskie of this WR class.

I guess I understand what you're saying, but I would suggest you haven't seen enough of Matthews. I don't think that's a fair comparison at all. I think Matthews actually does have some explosiveness to his game.

For Matthews to average 13.2 yards after catch on screens speaks to his explosiveness.

http://secondroundstats.com/2013/11/06/2014tier1wr/

 

[Xue]

Anyone have thoughts about Charles Sims? Some parts of his profile look strong but I have no idea about any of the measurables stuff yet.

Sims and Marion Grice are the top pass-catching RBs in this draft. Sims runs harder between the tackles, though.

 

[Faust]

Top Prospect of Week 12: Boston College RB Andre Williams

 

[Faust]

Week 13 Prospect Match-up: Manziel-Mettenberger showdown

 

[BigTex]

2014 NFL Mock Drafts Updated: 11/19/13

Jace Amaro is quietly moving up people's draft boards. 11 and 19 in this mock. Brugler penciled him to GB at 19th...that would be a great place for him.

He's my #1 rated TE.

 

[Vincesanity]

EBF does anything with Seastrunks character concern you? He hasn't always had the best attitude, was in the doghouse a bit last year. I watched him for 4 years in High School and he was in and out of trouble then too.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

NFL Draft: Norris' Top 32

Brandin Cooks is getting a lot of love lately, and rightly so I suppose given his insane production, but there's something about his game that I just don't think it'll mesh all that well in the NFL. Granted I haven't watched him a tonne, but he seems to make a lot of big plays by winning jump balls, which I don't think he's going to be able to do nearly as consistently in the NFL as a 5'10 WR.

Antonio Brown with slightly more speed. He's legit in my eyes. Another 5'10" guy with speed than can do it all: TY Hilton.

Cooks averages 13.44 yards after catch on screen plays, which is insane: http://secondroundstats.com/2013/11/06/2014tier1wr/

And according to the article, he also runs a variety of routes outside of a "go" route and makes plays in all lengths of the field.

Perhaps. Admittedly I'm pretty prejudice against small WRs, and I do realize that Cooks has some solid WR skills, but I just can't help myself from thinking he might struggle in the NFL if he relies somewhat heavily on winning deep jump balls. I'll definitely watch him some more before the draft as more stuff gets put up on youtube.

 

[EBF]

EBF does anything with Seastrunks character concern you? He hasn't always had the best attitude, was in the doghouse a bit last year. I watched him for 4 years in High School and he was in and out of trouble then too.

I honestly don't know much about it. It's a little weird that he transferred out of Oregon, but somewhat understandable given that they had LaMichael James going bonkers at the time. He also didn't open the 2012 season as the man in Baylor's backfield, which could point towards focus/work ethic issues. Certainly he was the most talented all along.

I've not heard anything about him being a big knucklehead, so I'm going to assume that any issues there are relatively minor. These kids are still really young and some of them will make mistakes as part of just being flat out immature. Didn't "Shady" McCoy get tossed from one of his recruiting visits for punching another kid? These kids will do stupid stuff. Unless it's severe or a pattern of destructive behavior, I wouldn't worry too much.

I'm also assuming that the NFL teams are going to do their homework and that whatever they uncover will be factored into his draft position. A lot of spotty character guys have been downgraded in the draft (Hernandez, Marshall, C Henry, Da'Rick, etc). Sometimes they slip through the cracks ala Pacman, but I'm going to assume that if teams rate him as a 1st round pick then they're probably not too worried about him from that standpoint. If he slides, obviously you'd start to wonder a little bit.

 

[Faust]

NFL Draft: Norris' Top 32

Brandin Cooks is getting a lot of love lately, and rightly so I suppose given his insane production, but there's something about his game that I just don't think it'll mesh all that well in the NFL. Granted I haven't watched him a tonne, but he seems to make a lot of big plays by winning jump balls, which I don't think he's going to be able to do nearly as consistently in the NFL as a 5'10 WR.

Antonio Brown with slightly more speed. He's legit in my eyes. Another 5'10" guy with speed than can do it all: TY Hilton.

Cooks averages 13.44 yards after catch on screen plays, which is insane: http://secondroundstats.com/2013/11/06/2014tier1wr/

And according to the article, he also runs a variety of routes outside of a "go" route and makes plays in all lengths of the field.

Rotoworld:

Oregon State junior WR Brandin Cooks earned a comparison to Steve Smith from Scouts Inc.'s Kevin Weidl.

"His best attribute comes after the catch as he shows above-average elusiveness, open field vision and flashes an extra gear to take it the distance when getting into space," Weidl writes. "Cooks' game resembles that of Carolina Panthers WR Steve Smith and he could be in the early Day 2 mix should he declare after the season." We expect Cooks to declare for the draft and potentially earn All-American honors. Our own Josh Norris has compared him to Victor Cruz due to Cooks' ability to win from the slot and outside.


Source: ESPN

 

[Faust]

QB rankings: Big games put passers under intense scrutiny

 

[Faust]

Big Board: Corners at premium in today's pass-happy NFL


by Rob Rang

Nov. 21, 2013 8:01 PM ET

With quick-hitting passing attacks continuing to make a big impact on the NFL, defensive backs capable of blanketing receivers and tight ends have never been at more of a premium. The evidence is clear in draft trends, with seven defensive backs selected in the first round last April compared to only three two years prior.

The 2014 class appears to boast yet another bumper crop of defensive backs, highlighted by a strong group of senior cornerbacks including Michigan State's Darqueze Dennard, Oklahoma State's Justin Gilbert and TCU's Jason Verrett, and it could be enhanced by a number of highly regarded underclassmen (Ohio State junior Bradley Roby already intends to leave a year early, according to Buckeyes coach Urban Meyer).

The Big Board isn't a mock draft. There is no attention given to team needs or the projected selection order. It is simply a ranking of the 32 best prospects potentially eligible for the 2014 NFL draft.

(* indicates underclassman)

1. DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina (6-6, 268, 4.65)* -- Clowney has failed to live up to our astronomical expectations, but scouts aren't as concerned with his mediocre production as the media seems to be. When on the field, Clowney remains a dominating presence capable of making the game-changing play on each snap of the ball. He produced his best game of 2013 in a highly anticipated rematch with Tennessee left tackle Antonio Richardson on Oct. 19.

2. QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville (6-3, 220, 4.65)* -- In an era in which college quarterbacks' numbers are often inflated by short passes and relatively simplistic schemes, Bridgewater's sparkling production is due to Pro Bowl-caliber accuracy. His success (70.9 percent completion rate with 24 touchdowns against just three interceptions) comes out of a pro-style offense that forces him to make tough throws. Bridgewater's slight frame and level of competition are concerns.

3. OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA (6-4, 238, 4.73) -- A running back until last season, Barr exploded in 2012 to the tune of 21.5 tackles for loss and 13.5 sacks. He has had some flashy moments again this year but like Clowney, Barr hasn't been as good in 2013 as he was a year ago, struggling especially against Stanford and Arizona in recent weeks. Scouts rave about his work ethic and Barr is a terrific pass rusher, capable of beating tackles off the edge with speed and power.

4. QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon (6-3, 214, 4.52)* -- Only three redshirt sophomore quarterbacks have left early for the NFL over the past 23 years (Michael Vick, Tommy Maddox and Todd Marinovich), but Mariota's exciting skill set could force him to make a tough decision. He's blessed with a combination of size, speed and arm talent that compares favorably to San Francisco's Colin Kaepernick and he's much further along at a similar point in his collegiate career than the former Nevada star. Despite statistics that argue otherwise, however, Mariota isn't as accurate as Bridgewater and could improve his grade by returning for another season of college action.

5. OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M (6-5, 305, 5.14) -- Any question about Matthews' ability to hold up at left tackle may have been answered with a dominating performance against Arkansas' speedy Chris Smith and Mississippi's powerful Robert Nkemdiche this season. The son of Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews, Jake proves the cliché true -- the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

6. WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson (6-1, 200, 4.49)* -- Watkins was one of the few Clemson Tigers who appeared unfazed by Florida State's speed. Watkins accounted for nearly double the all-purpose yardage of any other Clemson player against the Seminoles, demonstrating the explosiveness and soft, reliable hands that help him project as a No. 1 receiver in the NFL.

7. OT Cameron Erving, Florida State (6-5, 310, 5.26)* -- Erving played in 13 games as a redshirt freshman defensive tackle, but looked like a natural when moved to left tackle a season ago. Long, balanced and athletic, he's a hidden factor in the dynamic play of freshman quarterback Jameis Winston and could enjoy a "quiet" ride into the top 10 of the 2014 draft just as former Texas A&M left tackle Luke Joeckel did a year ago while blocking for Heisman winner Johnny Manziel.

8. OLB C.J. Mosley, Alabama (6-2, 232, 4.56) -- While a bit undersized, Mosley might be the best pound-for-pound player in the country. Athletic and instinctive, he is a true three-down linebacker capable of making plays against the run and pass. Mosley lacks the bulk scouts want in a pass rusher but his awareness in coverage is special.

9. OLB Khalil Mack, Buffalo (6-3, 248, 4.66) -- With an eye-popping 56 tackles for loss, 18 sacks and 11 forced fumbles already on his résumé entering the 2013 season, rest assured that scouts knew Mack well. The best player outside of BCS schools, he stepped up with dominating efforts against Ohio State and Connecticut this year to establish himself as a legitimate top 20 prospect.

10. WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M (6-5, 225, 4.58)* -- Like his famous quarterback Manziel, Evans is just a redshirt sophomore, but he could have quite the decision to make after the season if he continues to dominate the SEC. Deceptively fast and possessing great body control as well as timing, Evans is an exciting split end prospect who reminds scouts of Tampa Bay Buccaneers star Vincent Jackson.

11. OT Cyrus Kouandjio, Alabama (6-5, 312, 5.12)* -- Some questioned the wisdom of moving Barrett Jones from left tackle (where he won the Jacobs Blocking Trophy as the SEC's best lineman) to center in 2012. The reason for the switch was Kouandjio, a physically blessed athlete who some have compared to former Redskins Pro Bowler Chris Samuels, the No. 3 overall pick out of Alabama in 2000.

12. QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M (5-11, 210, 4.45)* -- After the season scouts will poke holes in Manziel's grade due to less-than-ideal size and the distraction he may prove to be off the field. During the season, however, it is impossible not to simply marvel at his magical ability on it, including during his possible swan song at College Station, throwing for 446 yards and five touchdowns in a win over Mississippi State. Showing the same remarkable elusiveness as he did a year ago and improved arm strength, Manziel is a first-round pick whenever he elects to leave College Station.

13. OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M (6-5, 300, 5.15)* -- Overshadowed by all of the talent on the Aggies' roster, Ogbuehi is an exciting prospect in his own right. A standout at right guard a year ago, Ogbuehi (pronounced ah-BOO-hee) stands to make a lot of money if he continues his stellar play at right tackle. The junior initially told the media he planned to return to College Station for his senior season, but missing two games with an undisclosed injury may have him reconsidering.

14. TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina (6-4, 245, 4.67)* -- Ebron doesn't get nearly the national attention of Washington's Austin Seferian-Jenkins or other highly regarded tight ends, but scouts are fascinated with his rare combination of size and speed. The UNC staff was so enamored with Ebron's athleticism and physicality that they lined him at defensive end at times last season. The junior needs polish, but is precisely the type of physical mismatch the NFL is looking for in today's tight end.

15. DE Trent Murphy, Stanford (6-6, 261, 4.85) -- Used as a standup outside linebacker as a well as a down defensive lineman for the Cardinal, Murphy is equally impactful in the passing game, running game and on special teams. Eight tackles, including 3.5 tackles for loss, 2.5 sacks, a blocked kick and a pass broken up against Oregon State on Oct. 26 earned Murphy my Top Prospect of Week Nine. Murphy projects best as a 4-3 defensive end.

16. TE Jace Amaro, Texas Tech (6-5, 260)* -- The NFL is looking for seam threats rather than extra blockers at tight end in today's game and there hasn't been a more impressive prospect in the country in 2013 in this role than Amaro. Scouts are beginning to mention the name Jimmy Graham when discussing the Red Raiders' junior, a comparison which could help catapult Amaro into the top spot among all tight ends by May.

17. WR Marqise Lee, Southern Cal (6-0, 195, 4.51)* -- A nagging left knee injury has hampered Lee for much of the 2013 season, robbing the reigning Biletnikof Award winner of his trademark elusiveness and acceleration. Finally healthy, he starred against Stanford Nov. 16, helping guide the Trojans to the upset win and solidifying his draft stock.

18. CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State (5-11, 197) -- The success of the Seattle Seahawks' long, physical press cornerbacks could push several into the first round, including Dennard an instinctive, tenacious defender who leads the top-rated Spartans' defense.

19. OG Cyril Richardson, Baylor (6-5, 335, 5.27) -- A dominating drive blocker who projects best at guard but spent the entire 2011 season protecting Robert Griffin III at left tackle, Richardson is massive, powerful and shockingly athletic. Scouts love Richardson's talent, but the extended splits in Art Briles' scheme fooled us before with former first round picks Jason Smith (No. 2 overall in 2009) and Danny Watkins (No. 23 in 2011).

20. OC Travis Swanson, Arkansas (6-4, 318) -- If Richardson is the elite interior lineman of the 2014 senior class, Swanson ranks as a close second. Athletic, powerful and versatile (some view him as a potential guard convert), Swanson will continue former Wisconsin head coach Bret Bielema's tradition of churning out quality NFL prospects along the offensive line.

21. OLB Ryan Shazier, Ohio State (6-2, 226, 4.58)* -- Shazier may be 10-15 pounds lighter than scouts would prefer but his instincts, speed and bone-jarring hits make him a fearful defender that offenses must account for on every snap. The Buckeyes' leading tackler and most consistent defender, Shazier stood out in their comeback win against Iowa.

22. DL Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame (6-5, 303, 4.89)* -- Offseason sports hernia surgery may have played a role in Tuitt weighing 20 pounds more this season than a year ago, and early on the extra weight seemed to be slowing him. He has played much better of late, however, and is simply too gifted to fall far on draft day should the junior elect to leave South Bend early.

23. DT Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota (6-6, 311, 4.95) -- Blessed with an extraordinary combination of size and athleticism, Hageman could join Michael Brockers and Dontari Poe as recent big defensive tackles whose real rise up draft boards doesn't begin until the Scouting Combine. Hageman looked unblockable at times in Minnesota's Oct. 26 upset of Nebraska, logging two tackles for loss, including a sack.

24. CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State (6-0, 200) -- In terms of size, agility and speed, no cornerback offers a more intriguing skill set than the Cowboys star. Gilbert ranks among the nation's leaders with six interceptions this season (through 10 games) and has returned just as many kickoffs for touchdowns during his time in Stillwater.

25. OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan (6-7, 310, 5.04) -- Possessing an impressive combination of size, strength and toughness, Lewan has earned comparisons to former Michigan standout Jake Long throughout his career. Lewan lacks elite athleticism, however, and some feel his NFL future lies on the right side.

26. DT Louis Nix III, Notre Dame* (6-2, 345)* -- Regarded as a potential top 10 prospect heading into the season, Nix has struggled this year. At least some of his struggles can be attributed to a knee injury, which Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly said would require surgery following the season. After resting his knee against Air Force and Navy the past two games, Nix returned against Pittsburgh November 9 and enjoyed his best game of the year.

27. QB Derek Carr, Fresno State (6-3, 215) -- Carr's staggering production (69.5% completion rate, 32 TDs, four interceptions) is certainly inflated by head coach Tim DeRuyter's QB-friendly spread attack, but there is no denying Carr's talent, including his big-time arm. If Carr follows his older brother David's footsteps and lights up Senior Bowl practices (he has already accepted an invitation), he will erase any doubt as to the identity of the top senior quarterback prospect in the country.

28. CB Jason Verrett, TCU (5-10, 182, 4.49) -- Verrett lacks the size so en vogue in today's NFL, but agility and ball-skills never go out of style for cornerbacks. Verrett led the Big 12 with 22 passes defended and six interceptions in 2012. His stellar coverage (six tackles, two passes broken up) against Oklahoma on Oct. 5 earned him the Top Prospect of Week Six.

29. ILB Shayne Skov, Stanford (6-2, 245) -- I'll be the first to admit, I'm a sucker for instinctive, physical inside linebackers and that is precisely what Skov has proven himself to be over his distinguished career. While Skov may lack elite straight-line speed, his diagnosis skills, power and ability to make big plays have stood out in each of Stanford's biggest games this season.

30. CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu Oregon (5-10, 190)* -- Lost in the hype of Oregon's offense are a number of highly regarded defenders, including Ekpre-Olomu, who combines great instincts, agility and physicality to shut down his side of the field. Ekpre-Olomu, who has seven career forced fumbles, is earning comparisons to long time Chicago Bears star cornerback Charles Tillman for his ability to tear the ball away from ballcarriers.

31. DT Will Sutton, Arizona State (6-0, 305) -- Perhaps due to concerns about how he would hold up in the NFL, Sutton gained weight for his senior season and hasn't been as dominant as last year, when he recorded an astounding 23.5 tackles for loss and 13 sacks. Though Sutton's production has tailed off (8.5 tackles for loss, two sacks through 10 games), some of this is due to the extra attention he has received after winning the Morris Trophy a year ago as the Pac-12's best defensive lineman (over Dion Jordan and Star Lotulelei, among others).

32. OLB Vic Beasley, Clemson (6-3, 235, 4.55)* -- Beasley led Clemson with eight sacks in limited duty as a sophomore and already has 10 in 2013. Like most of the Tigers, Beasley struggled against Florida State, the most talented team he'll face in the regular season. Beasley is similar to surprise 2012 first-round pick Bruce Irvin for his slim frame and explosive burst, but Beasley also flashes rather than dominates.

Just missed the cut:

WR Jordan Matthews, South Carolina

QB Zach Mettenberger, LSU

OG David Yankey, Stanford

WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State*

CB Bradley Roby, Ohio State*

OT Brandon Scherff, Iowa*

DT Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh

DE OLB Trevor Reilly, Utah

TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington*

OT Antonio Richardson, Tennessee*

Rob Rang (@RobRang) is a senior analyst for NFLDraftScout.com (@DraftScout).

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Draft analyst Tony Pauline thinks Miami senior WR Allen Hurns could sneak into the third round.
Pauline expected big things from Hurns when he was a sophomore, but injuries have at times derailed the youngster's career. "I broke my thumb last year and had a concussion that held me out for two games," Hurns said. "The [torn labrum surgery] kept me out of spring football right after my sophomore season ... What I'm most proud of really is I haven't been restricted in any games this year. I've played in all of them." The 6-foot-3 Miami native is firmly on NFL scouts' radars. "I see him as a third receiver, a slot-type guy [in the NFL]," an NFC scout said of Hurns.

Source: Miami Herald

 

[Milkman]

Anybody take a look at Ebron yet? I watched his monster game against Miami and he looked like he has unreal game speed. Get's off the line fast has good/great hands. I'm starting to think he is going to blow up the combine and rise up draft boards.

 

[lod01]

Anybody take a look at Ebron yet? I watched his monster game against Miami and he looked like he has unreal game speed. Get's off the line fast has good/great hands. I'm starting to think he is going to blow up the combine and rise up draft boards.

Top 2 TE. ATL needs him or Amaro.

 

[EBF]

Anybody take a look at Ebron yet? I watched his monster game against Miami and he looked like he has unreal game speed. Get's off the line fast has good/great hands. I'm starting to think he is going to blow up the combine and rise up draft boards.

He would be a top 25 pick if the draft were held today. Very good athlete. Great route runner with good hands. I think he's a strong TE prospect. Similar in a lot of ways to Eifert.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Ebron vs. Amaro. Where do you guys stand here at this time?

 

[EBF]

I'm taking Ebron without too much hesitation. Better athlete. More explosive and just moves a little better in general. That comes from the eyeball test and also the stats. Amaro averages 12.6 yards per catch compared to 15.6 for Ebron. They both get off the line pretty well. Amaro has long strides and may be a little faster than he looks for that reason. I think Ebron is better in his plants and cuts though. A more fluid and sudden athlete. Neither one of them is really a great make-you-miss type of guy after the catch, but I'd say Ebron is the better big play threat because he looks faster. Get him going in a straight line and he won't outrun DBs, but it will take them a while to catch him and he's certainly faster than a lot of LBs. I could see Ebron having some durability issues because he seems to get targeted a lot by tacklers around his knees/ankles and he doesn't have the strongest foundation, but that's nitpicking. I would rank him as a top 6-8 dynasty TE right now. Amaro wouldn't be that far behind, but I don't like him as much.

 

[Faust]

NFL Draft Watch: Week 13

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL.com compares Baylor junior RB Lache Seastrunk to New England's Shane Vereen.

An area scout told the site that Seastrunk and Bears teammate OG Cyril Richardson are "in that second- to fourth-round range, with the potential to go up or down based on the combine and predraft stuff we do." We personally can't see a scenario in which either falls to the fourth round, but neither prospect is without blemishes. Seastrunk would fit best in a wide-open offensive system that platoons its backs and employs them as vital cogs in the passing game.


Source: NFL.com

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Rotoworld:

NFL.com compares Baylor junior RB Lache Seastrunk to New England's Shane Vereen.

An area scout told the site that Seastrunk and Bears teammate OG Cyril Richardson are "in that second- to fourth-round range, with the potential to go up or down based on the combine and predraft stuff we do." We personally can't see a scenario in which either falls to the fourth round, but neither prospect is without blemishes. Seastrunk would fit best in a wide-open offensive system that platoons its backs and employs them as vital cogs in the passing game.

Source: NFL.com

Seastrunk hasn't shown that he can be a great weapon in the passing game (hasn't gotten much of a chance), so this is a weird comparison to see.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL.com's Bucky Brooks compared Fresno State senior QB Derek Carr to Tony Romo.
"If I had to issue a grade, I would place him at the top of the second round -- a potential NFL starter in a year or so whose pro comparison could be Tony Romo -- with the belief that he could go much higher in the draft when general managers and coaches take a hard look at his game," Brooks writes. We think Carr's game is more similar to Jay Cutler or Matthew Stafford, specifically because of his tendency to throw with unbalanced footwork. We expect Carr to light up the Senior Bowl, and there is a strong chance he emerges as a first-round pick.

Source: NFL.com

Vanderbilt senior WR Jordan Matthews is three catches short of matching former Commodore Earl Bennett's SEC career record of 236.
Barring injury, the record will fall on Saturday night against Tennessee. The Vols won't appreciate this mark being set by a rival in Neyland Stadium, but nobody has been able to stop Matthews this season.

Source: NFL.com

 

[Eminence]

Sammy Watkins looks legit.

 

[lod01]

Texas A&M vs LSU: Manzier vs Mettenberger

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Kadeem Carey with 48 carries today in Arizona's dismantling of Oregon. I don't remember anyone getting 48 carries before.

 

[EBF]

Hmmmm. I think Kevin Smith had a bunch back in his college days. I'd guess others have been close. Don't recall names off the top of my head.

 

[EBF]

Ty Montgomery also had a howler tonight. A couple brutal drops, one of which would've been good for a 30-40 yard play. There's a pretty strong pattern with him. NFL caliber height/weight/speed without the elite innate receiving skills to match. Seems to overthink things and tighten up sometimes when the ball is near. I've described him as mechanical in the past and I think it's an apt description. He looks a lot like the second coming of Quincy Morgan. Whoever drafts him will have to be patient because he's more of an athlete playing WR than a natural WR. There's pretty much no way he declares though. Will most likely come back for his senior year and push for a draft slot in rounds 3-6 next year.

Figures that after I wrote this he would go absolutely HAM against Cal. The game isn't even over yet and he has FIVE TDs on just a handful of touches.

 

[EBF]

Ameer Abdullah 2013 game logs:

19 carries 114 yards

17 carries 114 yards

23 carries 98 yards

15 carries 139 yards

20 carries 225 yards

20 carries 126 yards

19 carries 165 yards

24 carries 127 yars

27 carries 105 yards

22 carries 123 yards

24 carries 144 yards (game not over yet)

Quite an underrated player. Very consistent and productive.

 

[Faust]

Clemson's Tajh Boyd throws for 288 yards, 5 TDs

 

[EBF]

Not quite sure what to make of Boston College RB Andre Williams yet, but he is *ahem* running away with the NCAA rushing crown. Was at 1810 yards coming into today's game. Ripped off another 263 yards in a win against Maryland. This was a fun carry:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10024474

 

[JFS171]

Ty Montgomery also had a howler tonight. A couple brutal drops, one of which would've been good for a 30-40 yard play. There's a pretty strong pattern with him. NFL caliber height/weight/speed without the elite innate receiving skills to match. Seems to overthink things and tighten up sometimes when the ball is near. I've described him as mechanical in the past and I think it's an apt description. He looks a lot like the second coming of Quincy Morgan. Whoever drafts him will have to be patient because he's more of an athlete playing WR than a natural WR. There's pretty much no way he declares though. Will most likely come back for his senior year and push for a draft slot in rounds 3-6 next year.

Figures that after I wrote this he would go absolutely HAM against Cal. The game isn't even over yet and he has FIVE TDs on just a handful of touches.

Ha - I thought about this when I saw the line go by on the bottom. "Absolutely HAM" is appropriate for that game. Wow.

 

[Faust]

Not quite sure what to make of Boston College RB Andre Williams yet, but he is *ahem* running away with the NCAA rushing crown. Was at 1810 yards coming into today's game. Ripped off another 263 yards in a win against Maryland. This was a fun carry:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10024474

BC’s Andre Williams eclipses 2,000-yard mark, enters Heisman race

 

[JFS171]

Not quite sure what to make of Boston College RB Andre Williams yet, but he is *ahem* running away with the NCAA rushing crown. Was at 1810 yards coming into today's game. Ripped off another 263 yards in a win against Maryland. This was a fun carry:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10024474

Don't claim to know nearly as much about evaluating these guys as some of you do, but it's hard to argue with that production, a lot of which has come against 8 man fronts. And I'll add that he looks pretty thick in the lower half.

 

[lod01]

Not quite sure what to make of Boston College RB Andre Williams yet, but he is *ahem* running away with the NCAA rushing crown. Was at 1810 yards coming into today's game. Ripped off another 263 yards in a win against Maryland. This was a fun carry:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10024474

Don't claim to know nearly as much about evaluating these guys as some of you do, but it's hard to argue with that production, a lot of which has come against 8 man fronts. And I'll add that he looks pretty thick in the lower half.

If he could catch a football, he would be fantasy gold.

 

[EBF]

Not quite sure what to make of Boston College RB Andre Williams yet, but he is *ahem* running away with the NCAA rushing crown. Was at 1810 yards coming into today's game. Ripped off another 263 yards in a win against Maryland. This was a fun carry:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10024474

Don't claim to know nearly as much about evaluating these guys as some of you do, but it's hard to argue with that production, a lot of which has come against 8 man fronts. And I'll add that he looks pretty thick in the lower half.

Yeah, production matters to some extent. Obviously it's just college football and not everything will translate to the next level, but when you look at the NCAA rushing leaders for past seasons you tend to see some big names sprinkled in with the junk. Williams reminds me of a much bigger, less agile Bernard Pierce. He's got the same wide carriage and deceptive speed. Doesn't have the same cutting ability, but runs with a lot more force.

I previously described him as a cross between Robert Turbin and Alfred Morris. That may be a little off base as he seems like more of a load than either of those two, though probably not as explosive north-south as Morris has proven to be. Regardless of whether he goes in the 2nd round or the 4th round, he's a player who has risen up the boards pretty significantly this season from almost total obscurity (at least to me).

Carlos Hyde is also having a really good year and pushing himself up the board. I was familiar with him entering the season, but did not consider him much of a prospect. If nothing else, he looks like a day 3 guy with a real pulse. Quite possibly a day 2 candidate with a strong postseason.

 

[EBF]

On a more negative note, Mike Dyer didn't get a carry today for Louisville. Something is definitely up there. There's strong speculation that he's in the doghouse. Disappointing given his track record and all the offseason talk about wanting a fresh chance. He's looking like more of a genuine bad apple than a redemption story. The plus here is that he's likely to skip town for the draft in the offseason. The negative is that his character red flags just turned neon. No way a team uses a high pick on him, if he even gets drafted at all. Needs to hope for a Bryce Brown situation where someone rolls the dice on the talent cheap and he proves his worth on the field. He has gone from being potentially a high rookie pick to more of an outright flyer.

 

[JFS171]

Wouldn't be shocked to see Dyer take the Christine Michael path. Michael had character and injury flags, but was just too good an athlete to ignore.

Dyer's character flags are worse, obviously, but he could blow up the combine like Michael, and I wouldn't be shocked at all.

 

[JFS171]

Yeah, production matters to some extent. Obviously it's just college football and not everything will translate to the next level, but when you look at the NCAA rushing leaders for past seasons you tend to see some big names sprinkled in with the junk. Williams reminds me of a much bigger, less agile Bernard Pierce. He's got the same wide carriage and deceptive speed. Doesn't have the same cutting ability, but runs with a lot more force.

I previously described him as a cross between Robert Turbin and Alfred Morris. That may be a little off base as he seems like more of a load than either of those two, though probably not as explosive north-south as Morris has proven to be. Regardless of whether he goes in the 2nd round or the 4th round, he's a player who has risen up the boards pretty significantly this season from almost total obscurity (at least to me).

Carlos Hyde is also having a really good year and pushing himself up the board. I was familiar with him entering the season, but did not consider him much of a prospect. If nothing else, he looks like a day 3 guy with a real pulse. Quite possibly a day 2 candidate with a strong postseason.

Agreed on production, but a guy like Kevin Smith wasn't special and was still useful for a bit if not a foundation piece. And Smith had multiple injury issues as well. Williams definitely a riser.

When I watch Hyde I get a little bit of a Lacy feel. Supposedly an accomplished pass blocked as well, which keeps a lot of younger guys from getting a chance.

 

[EBF]

Wouldn't be shocked to see Dyer take the Christine Michael path. Michael had character and injury flags, but was just too good an athlete to ignore.

Dyer's character flags are worse, obviously, but he could.blow io the combine like Michael and I wouldn't be shocked at all.

Christine Michael had some knucklehead red flags, but nothing like getting kicked out of two schools and clashing with the coaches at a third.

I think Dyer is quite likely to shine at the combine. I just don't see how anyone can spend a top 100 pick on him at this point.

If he does alright in his interviews, day 3 is fair game. Anything more than that would be a surprise given his record. He had a good opportunity to repair his stock at Louisville and it just hasn't worked out. To be honest, I would be pretty ticked if I were forced to sit behind two inferior players like he has been, but when you've got that baggage hanging over your head you need to walk the line. The indications (though not concrete) are that Dyer hasn't done that.