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[Dynasty] 2015 Draft Prospects (3 Viewers)

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ConnSKINS26 said:
BigTex said:
Faust said:
Devin Gardner raves about Devin Funchess' potential
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Made a trade for him yesterday straight up for H. Nicks. I'm happy..............
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Nice. Did the same myself, moved Marqise Lee for Funchess and another devy pick.
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I'm a believer and hopes he's drafted as a TE because I think he could be the best at that position. The fact that he can switch from TE to WE and still produce speaks volumes about his talent.

 
Whether he's drafted as a WR or TE, he'll never be blocking anybody. I think it only matters because WR/TE are distinct positions in most FF leagues and because certain formats have a scoring premium for TEs. That means it's relevant to the discussion, but I don't think it's relevant to whether or not he'll make an impact in the NFL. We know how the team that drafts him will try to use him. They'll line him up out wide and in the slot, and try to create mismatches. Even if he's a "TE" in name, he'll spend about 0% of his snaps on the line blocking IMO.

 
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Whether he's drafted as a WR or TE, he'll never be blocking anybody. I think it only matters because WR/TE are distinct positions in most FF leagues and because certain formats have a scoring premium for TEs. That means it's relevant to the discussion, but I don't think it's relevant to whether or not he'll make an impact in the NFL. We know how the team that drafts him will try to use him. They'll line him up out wide and in the slot, and try to create mismatches. Even if he's a "TE" in name, he'll spend about 0% of his snaps on the line blocking IMO.
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Thats my point. Im in a TE premimum league.....but thats just me, give him the title and line him up as you wish.

 
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jurb26 said:
The stats ended up looking good overall but Ajayi wasn't very impressive last night.
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His performance is up on Draft Breakdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-79F4GN0tck

He has some size and versatility. Not a big fan of him as a runner though. Don't think he moves or cuts very well.
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Thanks for the link. Didn't see the game, but just watched his touches.

I will say, it's hard to look good when the opposing defense dominates at the LOS the way Ole Miss did. I like seeing him targeted so much out of the backfield. Hate seeing another fumble. Looked solid to me, against a dominant (in the game, at least) front 7.

 
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Melvin Gordon not doing much on the ground yet this afternoon, but that reception FOR a TD was very impressive. Broke 3 or 4 tackles and muscled his way in.

 
Who should I be watching in the MSU/Oregon and Stanford/USC game? I know Mariota, but who else?

Not just fantasy, but pro prospects in general.

 
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Melvin Gordon not doing much on the ground yet this afternoon, but that reception FOR a TD was very impressive. Broke 3 or 4 tackles and muscled his way in.
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Yeah, he has 3 catches this game, and that TD catch was a nice grab, despite getting hit right when he caught it. Nice to see that.In terms of his running, we already know what he can do. Not much of a. Chance to run when getting hit in the backfield by 3-4 defenders.

 
massraider said:
Who should I be watching in the MSU/Oregon and Stanford/USC game? I know Mariota, but who else?

Not just fantasy, but pro prospects in general.
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For Oregon - Byron Marshall (RB), Thomas Tyner (RB), Pharaoh Brown (TE)

For MSU - Jeremy Langford (RB) ... not the greatest prospect but he's solid and will likely have a job in the NFL next year

For USC - Cody Kessler (QB), Nelson Agholor (WR), JuJu Smith (WR)

For Stanford - Kevin Hogan (QB), Barry Sanders Jr (RB), Ty Montgomery (WR), Austin Hooper (TE)

 
werdnoynek said:
massraider said:
Who should I be watching in the MSU/Oregon and Stanford/USC game? I know Mariota, but who else?

Not just fantasy, but pro prospects in general.
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For Oregon - Byron Marshall (RB), Thomas Tyner (RB), Pharaoh Brown (TE)

For MSU - Jeremy Langford (RB) ... not the greatest prospect but he's solid and will likely have a job in the NFL next year

For USC - Cody Kessler (QB), Nelson Agholor (WR), JuJu Smith (WR)

For Stanford - Kevin Hogan (QB), Barry Sanders Jr (RB), Ty Montgomery (WR), Austin Hooper (TE)
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Thank you sir.

Probably should have just gone to the NFLDS guys:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24694328/nfl-draft-week-2-prospect-preview

 
massraider said:
werdnoynek said:
massraider said:
Who should I be watching in the MSU/Oregon and Stanford/USC game? I know Mariota, but who else?

Not just fantasy, but pro prospects in general.
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For Oregon - Byron Marshall (RB), Thomas Tyner (RB), Pharaoh Brown (TE)

For MSU - Jeremy Langford (RB) ... not the greatest prospect but he's solid and will likely have a job in the NFL next year

For USC - Cody Kessler (QB), Nelson Agholor (WR), JuJu Smith (WR)

For Stanford - Kevin Hogan (QB), Barry Sanders Jr (RB), Ty Montgomery (WR), Austin Hooper (TE)
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Thank you sir.

Probably should have just gone to the NFLDS guys:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24694328/nfl-draft-week-2-prospect-preview
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That's a nice write up. I'll have to keep an eye out for these weekly.

 
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Melvin Gordon not doing much on the ground yet this afternoon, but that reception FOR a TD was very impressive. Broke 3 or 4 tackles and muscled his way in.
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They almost seem to be forcing him into the passing game. I wonder if that was part of the sale pitch to have him come back another year...

 
werdnoynek said:
massraider said:
werdnoynek said:
massraider said:
Who should I be watching in the MSU/Oregon and Stanford/USC game? I know Mariota, but who else?

Not just fantasy, but pro prospects in general.
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For Oregon - Byron Marshall (RB), Thomas Tyner (RB), Pharaoh Brown (TE)

For MSU - Jeremy Langford (RB) ... not the greatest prospect but he's solid and will likely have a job in the NFL next year

For USC - Cody Kessler (QB), Nelson Agholor (WR), JuJu Smith (WR)

For Stanford - Kevin Hogan (QB), Barry Sanders Jr (RB), Ty Montgomery (WR), Austin Hooper (TE)
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Thank you sir.

Probably should have just gone to the NFLDS guys:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24694328/nfl-draft-week-2-prospect-preview
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That's a nice write up. I'll have to keep an eye out for these weekly.
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Yeah, thy have a lot of great content, their biggest drawback is it's tough to navigate sometime. For example, if you go through the blog, they post pro prospect previews for most teams. Be nice to access it quickly when a game is upcoming, but they are a pain to find.

 
Looked like Funchess might have picked up an injury tonight. He went down awkwardly late in the game and was held out for the remainder. One way or another, I'm sure there will be news on that in the next day or two. He was Michigan's only offense in an otherwise pathetic game for them.

 
Went to the USC/Stanford game today. One of the most epic choke jobs I've ever witnessed.

Two things stood out to me:

1. Ty Montgomery is a beast. Easily the best skill prospect on either team.

2. This is the least talented USC offense I can remember. Agholor and Allen are merely okay. The rest are zeroes. The cupboard is bare.

 
EBF said:
Went to the USC/Stanford game today. One of the most epic choke jobs I've ever witnessed.

Two things stood out to me:

1. Ty Montgomery is a beast. Easily the best skill prospect on either team.

2. This is the least talented USC offense I can remember. Agholor and Allen are merely okay. The rest are zeroes. The cupboard is bare.
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Agholor and Allen aren't the best talents at their positions on the team. The young guys need to be unleashed like last week.

 
Xue said:
EBF said:
Went to the USC/Stanford game today. One of the most epic choke jobs I've ever witnessed.

Two things stood out to me:

1. Ty Montgomery is a beast. Easily the best skill prospect on either team.

2. This is the least talented USC offense I can remember. Agholor and Allen are merely okay. The rest are zeroes. The cupboard is bare.
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Agholor and Allen aren't the best talents at their positions on the team. The young guys need to be unleashed like last week.
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That's what you said about Barry Sanders too. You are always hyping deep cuts, but teams usually don't hide their best talents on the pine.

If USC has better players, I didn't see them today. Justin Davis is not better than Allen, if that's what you're implying.

There is typically no better way to evaluate players than to see them up close with your own eyeballs. I was shocked by the pedestrian quality of USC's RB and WR groups. I went into the game intrigued by JuJu Smith, but he did not stand out at all. Average height. Average explosion. Nothing special.

The only guy on the field who screamed "NFL" was Montgomery. I could see Allen getting looks as backup. He was quietly effective. Not in a "wow" sort of way though.

 
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EBF said:
Xue said:
EBF said:
Went to the USC/Stanford game today. One of the most epic choke jobs I've ever witnessed.

Two things stood out to me:

1. Ty Montgomery is a beast. Easily the best skill prospect on either team.

2. This is the least talented USC offense I can remember. Agholor and Allen are merely okay. The rest are zeroes. The cupboard is bare.
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Agholor and Allen aren't the best talents at their positions on the team. The young guys need to be unleashed like last week.
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That's what you said about Barry Sanders too. You are always hyping deep cuts, but teams usually don't hide their best talents on the pine.

If USC has better players, I didn't see them today. Justin Davis is not better than Allen, if that's what you're implying.

There is typically no better way to evaluate players than to see them up close with your own eyeballs. I was shocked by the pedestrian quality of USC's RB and WR groups. I went into the game intrigued by JuJu Smith, but he did not stand out at all. Average height. Average explosion. Nothing special.

The only guy on the field who screamed "NFL" was Montgomery. I could see Allen getting looks as backup. He was quietly effective. Not in a "wow" sort of way though.
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LOL. And Ben Koyack is better than Maxx Williams.

 
EBF said:
Xue said:
EBF said:
Went to the USC/Stanford game today. One of the most epic choke jobs I've ever witnessed.

Two things stood out to me:

1. Ty Montgomery is a beast. Easily the best skill prospect on either team.

2. This is the least talented USC offense I can remember. Agholor and Allen are merely okay. The rest are zeroes. The cupboard is bare.
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Agholor and Allen aren't the best talents at their positions on the team. The young guys need to be unleashed like last week.
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That's what you said about Barry Sanders too. You are always hyping deep cuts, but teams usually don't hide their best talents on the pine.

If USC has better players, I didn't see them today. Justin Davis is not better than Allen, if that's what you're implying.

There is typically no better way to evaluate players than to see them up close with your own eyeballs. I was shocked by the pedestrian quality of USC's RB and WR groups. I went into the game intrigued by JuJu Smith, but he did not stand out at all. Average height. Average explosion. Nothing special.

The only guy on the field who screamed "NFL" was Montgomery. I could see Allen getting looks as backup. He was quietly effective. Not in a "wow" sort of way though.
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I think you're underselling Allen. Quietly effective isn't necessarily a bad thing. He may not offer much in "wow" plays, but he's real solid at everything, but what puts him over the top imo is a combination of fantastic vision and being a decisive runner. He has a chance of being a Matt Forte kind of player imo.

 
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Xue said:
EBF said:
Xue said:
EBF said:
Went to the USC/Stanford game today. One of the most epic choke jobs I've ever witnessed.

Two things stood out to me:

1. Ty Montgomery is a beast. Easily the best skill prospect on either team.

2. This is the least talented USC offense I can remember. Agholor and Allen are merely okay. The rest are zeroes. The cupboard is bare.
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Agholor and Allen aren't the best talents at their positions on the team. The young guys need to be unleashed like last week.
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That's what you said about Barry Sanders too. You are always hyping deep cuts, but teams usually don't hide their best talents on the pine.

If USC has better players, I didn't see them today. Justin Davis is not better than Allen, if that's what you're implying.

There is typically no better way to evaluate players than to see them up close with your own eyeballs. I was shocked by the pedestrian quality of USC's RB and WR groups. I went into the game intrigued by JuJu Smith, but he did not stand out at all. Average height. Average explosion. Nothing special.

The only guy on the field who screamed "NFL" was Montgomery. I could see Allen getting looks as backup. He was quietly effective. Not in a "wow" sort of way though.
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LOL. And Ben Koyack is better than Maxx Williams.
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Funny you should mention Koyack. I also DVR'd the Notre Dame game to watch him, Funchess, Bryant, and Green. At one point Mayock mentioned that the coaches are high on Koyack and believe he could be the next notable name in their TE tradition. I thought he had an underwhelming game, but he spends a lot of his time blocking and seems relatively proficient there. I would still guess that he'll be drafted. He's no Eifert though and I never said he was.

That aside, I mentioned Sanders as an example where many of the Internet "experts" ignored all the major flashing red lights indicating he wasn't that good because they determined that their evaluations of a few fuzzy highlight reels from his high school days were more accurate than the evaluations made by the coaches who see him up close in practice every day and whose livelihood depends on playing the best players available.

There are definitely late bloomers in college and every now and then a team gets such a crowded depth chart at a certain position that even a strong prospect can't get on the field, but generally speaking NFL players stand out from the pack. There aren't many teams in the country who have the depth to keep that kind of talent off the field indefinitely, so it stands to reason that if a player can't get on the field then he's probably not an NFL talent.

I don't see why USC would be playing Agholor or Allen if they have better players on their roster. Maybe they have some freshman who could potentially develop into that caliber of player down the road, but even then you often see flashes of that pretty early. Ty Montgomery is a good example. It took him a few years to really click, but you could see the talent much earlier than that. The guys USC rolled out there today did not flash in that way. It was the least impressive bunch of USC skill players I can remember. Or at least as bad as the drought when guys like Joe McKnight and Damian Williams were their "stars."

There is no Lee on this USC team, much less a Reggie Bush. They've hit a point like Miami where they're just surprisingly mediocre everywhere.

 
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question for the college guys.

Is Duke Johnson basically gonna be just a part time player in the NFL? i have him in a devy so have watched him but he just doesn't seem like the type who is going to be more than a COP back in the NFL.

 
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I think you're underselling Allen. Quietly effective isn't necessarily a bad thing. He may not offer much in "wow" plays, but he's real solid at everything, but what puts him over the top imo is a combination of fantastic vision and being a decisive runner. He has a chance of being a Matt Forte kind of player imo.
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I think he'll probably just be a backup in the NFL. In college players can get away with merely being solid, but the NFL demands a lot more raw athleticism. If you look at the guys who have really had staying power in the league among current active RBs, you get a list like:

Adrian Peterson

Maurice Jones-Drew

LeSean McCoy

Jamaal Charles

Steven Jackson

DeAngelo Williams

Ryan Mathews

CJ Spiller

Marshawn Lynch

Frank Gore

Matt Forte

Ray Rice

Reggie Bush

Darren Sproles

If you're absolutely over the moon about his outlook then I guess you could try to find a parallel with guys like Gore and Forte who have been successful without being hulking monsters, amazing jukers, or Olympic sprinters. I think that's a stretch though. I think the talent level of these guys is off the charts. This is the kind of talent that a player needs to guarantee relevance. If he doesn't have it, he'll have to be lucky enough to back into a favorable opportunity, which is not something I'd ever count on. I don't think Allen is on par with these guys, so for me he's not someone I can really project an obvious starting future for. More of just a common "good" kind of player who might have some kind of career, but doesn't really demand a lot of attention from FF drafters. Maybe I will change my tune on him over the course of the season, but that was my take last year as well. Okay player. Not special in that exceptional way.

 
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ILUVBEER99 said:
question for the college guys.

Is Duke Johnson basically gonna be just a part time player in the NFL? i have him in a devy so have watched him but he just doesn't seem like the type who is going to be more than a COP back in the NFL.
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I guess you never know, but I am really not a fan of his game and would look to trade him if I owned him anywhere. I think he's all speed with really limited quickness and power. I don't think he's built to handle any kind of volume or to run inside with any real effectiveness. He's also somewhat brittle with a history of concussions. He's probably not even a top 15 RB prospect in college football for me.

 
ILUVBEER99 said:
question for the college guys.

Is Duke Johnson basically gonna be just a part time player in the NFL? i have him in a devy so have watched him but he just doesn't seem like the type who is going to be more than a COP back in the NFL.
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I see him as a Giovani Bernard type. Will be a PPR stud on the right team.

 
Xue said:
ILUVBEER99 said:
question for the college guys.

Is Duke Johnson basically gonna be just a part time player in the NFL? i have him in a devy so have watched him but he just doesn't seem like the type who is going to be more than a COP back in the NFL.
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I see him as a Giovani Bernard type. Will be a PPR stud on the right team.
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thanks to both you and EBF. seems like conflicting opinions which gives me some hope for him.

 
EBF said:
Xue said:
EBF said:
Xue said:
EBF said:
Went to the USC/Stanford game today. One of the most epic choke jobs I've ever witnessed.

Two things stood out to me:

1. Ty Montgomery is a beast. Easily the best skill prospect on either team.

2. This is the least talented USC offense I can remember. Agholor and Allen are merely okay. The rest are zeroes. The cupboard is bare.
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Agholor and Allen aren't the best talents at their positions on the team. The young guys need to be unleashed like last week.
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That's what you said about Barry Sanders too. You are always hyping deep cuts, but teams usually don't hide their best talents on the pine.

If USC has better players, I didn't see them today. Justin Davis is not better than Allen, if that's what you're implying.

There is typically no better way to evaluate players than to see them up close with your own eyeballs. I was shocked by the pedestrian quality of USC's RB and WR groups. I went into the game intrigued by JuJu Smith, but he did not stand out at all. Average height. Average explosion. Nothing special.

The only guy on the field who screamed "NFL" was Montgomery. I could see Allen getting looks as backup. He was quietly effective. Not in a "wow" sort of way though.
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LOL. And Ben Koyack is better than Maxx Williams.
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Funny you should mention Koyack. I also DVR'd the Notre Dame game to watch him, Funchess, Bryant, and Green. At one point Mayock mentioned that the coaches are high on Koyack and believe he could be the next notable name in their TE tradition. I thought he had an underwhelming game, but he spends a lot of his time blocking and seems relatively proficient there. I would still guess that he'll be drafted. He's no Eifert though and I never said he was.

That aside, I mentioned Sanders as an example where many of the Internet "experts" ignored all the major flashing red lights indicating he wasn't that good because they determined that their evaluations of a few fuzzy highlight reels from his high school days were more accurate than the evaluations made by the coaches who see him up close in practice every day and whose livelihood depends on playing the best players available.

There are definitely late bloomers in college and every now and then a team gets such a crowded depth chart at a certain position that even a strong prospect can't get on the field, but generally speaking NFL players stand out from the pack. There aren't many teams in the country who have the depth to keep that kind of talent off the field indefinitely, so it stands to reason that if a player can't get on the field then he's probably not an NFL talent.

I don't see why USC would be playing Agholor or Allen if they have better players on their roster. Maybe they have some freshman who could potentially develop into that caliber of player down the road, but even then you often see flashes of that pretty early. Ty Montgomery is a good example. It took him a few years to really click, but you could see the talent much earlier than that. The guys USC rolled out there today did not flash in that way. It was the least impressive bunch of USC skill players I can remember. Or at least as bad as the drought when guys like Joe McKnight and Damian Williams were their "stars."

There is no Lee on this USC team, much less a Reggie Bush. They've hit a point like Miami where they're just surprisingly mediocre everywhere.
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I don't see why Wisconsin played Montee Ball and James White if they had someone more talented on the team. Oh wait, that guy Melvin Gordon was sitting 3rd string wasn't he?

Weak argument.

Many experts ignored that TJ Yeldon and Leonard Fournette just aren't that good.

There is only one reason keeping Sanders Jr from seeing the field and its not talent. It's the same reason keeping Christine Michael off the field. If Christine Michael was so talented, he should at least be 2nd string already, right? Again, weak argument.

 
Xue said:
I don't see why Wisconsin played Montee Ball and James White if they had someone more talented on the team. Oh wait, that guy Melvin Gordon was sitting 3rd string wasn't he?Weak argument.

Many experts ignored that TJ Yeldon and Leonard Fournette just aren't that good.

There is only one reason keeping Sanders Jr from seeing the field and its not talent. It's the same reason keeping Christine Michael off the field. If Christine Michael was so talented, he should at least be 2nd string already, right? Again, weak argument.
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Players who have NFL talent usually find some way to get on the field. Guys like Brandon Jacobs, Eddie Lacy, and Melvin Gordon made some fairly significant contributions even when they were "third string" in college. When you have 2-3 guys at one position who all have NFL talent, it's inevitable that someone is going to get shorted. Nevertheless, if they're really a viable NFL prospect then you're likely to see glimmers of it pretty early. That's because coaches aren't idiots and they don't keep guys like that off the field altogether, even if the player is raw and/or if a crowded depth chart forces the coach to pick a favorite.

It's kind of ironic that you're using this "depth charts don't prove talent" argument since you used the "Niklas played ahead of Koyack therefore he's better than Koyack" reasoning elsewhere, but it's common for people on here to tailor their reasoning to suit their beliefs and not the opposite. In the end it's all about the quality of the evaluations. I'm not saying USC doesn't have better players than Allen/Agholor solely because those are the top players on their depth chart, but also because nobody on the field looked better. I've been through this before with USC skill players and actually took the opposite line:

EBF said:
On a 2014 note, remember the name Marqise Lee. True freshman WR who is really beginning to assert himself in the second half of the season. He looks like a surefire first round pick and perhaps a better NFL prospect than Robert Woods. He's just destroying UCLA right now a week after hanging 187 yards on Oregon.
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The thing about NFL talent is that it's supposed to stand out. Literally and figuratively. When you see Ty Montgomery on the field with the other Stanford WRs, he just looks like a different species. That is often how it goes with eventual pro talents. They're just bigger, more explosive, and/or more athletic than the other players on the field. It was apparent pretty early that guys like Marqise Lee and Reggie Bush had a certain special something to them. USC doesn't seem to have anybody like that at the moment. It's probably not because the coaches are involved in a conspiracy to hide their best players, but rather because they simply don't have the horses at the moment. If those players were out there, they'd be relatively easy to spot.

 
EBF said:
Xue said:
I don't see why Wisconsin played Montee Ball and James White if they had someone more talented on the team. Oh wait, that guy Melvin Gordon was sitting 3rd string wasn't he?

Weak argument.

Many experts ignored that TJ Yeldon and Leonard Fournette just aren't that good.

There is only one reason keeping Sanders Jr from seeing the field and its not talent. It's the same reason keeping Christine Michael off the field. If Christine Michael was so talented, he should at least be 2nd string already, right? Again, weak argument.
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Players who have NFL talent usually find some way to get on the field. Guys like Brandon Jacobs, Eddie Lacy, and Melvin Gordon made some fairly significant contributions even when they were "third string" in college. When you have 2-3 guys at one position who all have NFL talent, it's inevitable that someone is going to get shorted. Nevertheless, if they're really a viable NFL prospect then you're likely to see glimmers of it pretty early. That's because coaches aren't idiots and they don't keep guys like that off the field altogether, even if the player is raw and/or if a crowded depth chart forces the coach to pick a favorite.

It's kind of ironic that you're using this "depth charts don't prove talent" argument since you used the "Niklas played ahead of Koyack therefore he's better than Koyack" reasoning elsewhere, but it's common for people on here to tailor their reasoning to suit their beliefs and not the opposite. In the end it's all about the quality of the evaluations. I'm not saying USC doesn't have better players than Allen/Agholor solely because those are the top players on their depth chart, but also because nobody on the field looked better. I've been through this before with USC skill players and actually took the opposite line:

EBF said:
On a 2014 note, remember the name Marqise Lee. True freshman WR who is really beginning to assert himself in the second half of the season. He looks like a surefire first round pick and perhaps a better NFL prospect than Robert Woods. He's just destroying UCLA right now a week after hanging 187 yards on Oregon.
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The thing about NFL talent is that it's supposed to stand out. Literally an figuratively. When you see Ty Montgomery on the field with the other Stanfprd WRs, he just looks like a different species. That is often how it goes with eventuapl pro talents. They're just bigger, more explosive, and/or more athletic than the other players on the field. It was apparent pretty early that guys like Marqise Lee and Reggie Bush had a certain special something to them. USC doesn't seem to have anybody like that at the moment. It's probably not because the coaches are involved in a conspiracy to hide their best players, but rather because they simply don't have the horses at the moment. If those players were out there, they'd be relatively easy to spot.
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I never said Niklas played ahead of Koyack. I'll let you take the time to search for and quote what I actually said. Thanks for your continued slandering of me.Lee was already 19 as a Freshman and turned 20 before the end of that season. It's one of reasons he was so physically ready to make and impact and did. Other than having the necessary physical qualities. Context!

Justin Davis averaged 6.0+ YPC for USC last season BEFORE he turned 18. That's a lot more impressive than what a 23-year old. Javorius Allen is doing. And you're ready to write off Davis based off one game. That's comical. Davis is 4 years and 2-3 months younger than Allen. Context!

Also, one USC's WRs doesn't turn 18 until November. What was Marqise Lee doing at age 17 going on 18? Still a Junior in HS.

What was Michael Dyer doing at age 18? Beating up in High Schoolers as a Junior!

 
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ILUVBEER99 said:
question for the college guys.

Is Duke Johnson basically gonna be just a part time player in the NFL? i have him in a devy so have watched him but he just doesn't seem like the type who is going to be more than a COP back in the NFL.
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Definitely, and probably not a fantasy relevant part time player either imo. I'd make sure to trade him before the NFL draft myself, I don't think he'll be going very high.

 
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