[Dynasty] 2015 Draft Prospects (1 Viewer)

[Faust]

Bucky's Big Board: Leonard Williams debuts atop rankings

 

[Faust]

Tough questions top prospects will be asked at NFL combine

 

[-CE-]

I see, this is about my debate about Sammy Watkins not being elite.

To review:

I said that to be an elite(top 5) WR in FF a player needed(in almost all cases) to be either:

1) a dynamic athlete(Julio Jones/Calvin Johnson type)

2) tall, 6'2" or taller(AJ Green)

3) have an elite QB throwing him the football(Peyton to Sanders for example)

Rookie WRs that finished better than Watkins' 198 FF points in PPR leagues:

Kelvin Benjamin 225.8 (tall), 18 more targets than Watkins

ODJ 297 (dynamic athlete), 4 more targets than Watkins

Mike Evans 245.1 (tall), 4 less targets than Watkins

Jordan Matthews 202.2 (tall), 23 less targets than Watkins

Now I don't think Benjamin or Matthews have elite potential, just helps with a measuring stick to Watkins.

Are people going to debate that Sammy Watkins still has top 5 potential?

I'd absolutely love to be in a dynasty league with people that think like this. This line of rationale has so many problems I'm not quite sure where to begin.

First of all the best WR over the last two seasons has been Antonio Brown. He apparently doesn't fit any of your criteria? 5'10", 4.47-40 yard dash, only has Ben Rothelisberger throwing him the ball (same guy that threw Sanders the ball). Not quite sure how he fits into your criteria, but maybe he's an outlier.

As far as your rookie WR comparison, how about this... Sammy Watkins had a rookie season comparable to, or exceeding:

Julio Jones

AJ Green

Calvin Johnson

Dez Bryant

Demaryius Thomas

Are you still going to argue that Watkins doesn't have a ceiling to be a top 5 receiver once you go back and look at how his rookie season matches up to these elite talents? Sure, some of those guys didn't start everyone of their rookie games, but that just says that Watkins was more pro ready.

The fact is this years rookie crop of receivers was amazing. Using targets as a benchmark for why this or that receiver is better than Watkins is asinine. You know who led the Buffalo Bills in receptions this year? Fred Jackson. And he missed 2 games. Say what you want to about Tampa Bay's QB situation, but as an Evans owner I'd much rather take a vertical passing game with Vincent Jackson on one side of the field drawing coverage than Buffalo's offensive situation. Any other one of those receivers you've listed landed in a much better spot than Watkins. Throw Cooks into the conversation while you're at it.

The fact is Sammy Watkins was shouldered with the worst offense and quarterback situation among the rookie WR's of this years class and put up numbers that would have been stellar for a rookie WR in any year, but clouded by the crop of other rookie WR's that came out this year.

Sammy Watkins absolutely has elite talent. He's 6'1" - just one inch shorter than one of your three "qualifiers for eliteness."

 

[Faust]

Mike Mayock: Nebraska's Randy Gregory needs to add weight

 

[Faust]

Daniel Jeremiah's updated Top 50 NFL draft prospect rankings Jeremiah's top 50: D.J. Humphries among 11 newcomers on list

 

[Faust]

NFL Mock Draft No. 3: A running back -- Todd Gurley -- goes in first round

 

[Faust]

Five things to watch at NFL combine

 

[BigTex]

NFL Mock Draft No. 3: A running back -- Todd Gurley -- goes in first round

If Gurley lands in Indi I will cry with joy!

 

[tdmills]

I see, this is about my debate about Sammy Watkins not being elite.

To review:

I said that to be an elite(top 5) WR in FF a player needed(in almost all cases) to be either:

1) a dynamic athlete(Julio Jones/Calvin Johnson type)

2) tall, 6'2" or taller(AJ Green)

3) have an elite QB throwing him the football(Peyton to Sanders for example)

Rookie WRs that finished better than Watkins' 198 FF points in PPR leagues:

Kelvin Benjamin 225.8 (tall), 18 more targets than Watkins

ODJ 297 (dynamic athlete), 4 more targets than Watkins

Mike Evans 245.1 (tall), 4 less targets than Watkins

Jordan Matthews 202.2 (tall), 23 less targets than Watkins

Now I don't think Benjamin or Matthews have elite potential, just helps with a measuring stick to Watkins.

Are people going to debate that Sammy Watkins still has top 5 potential?

Sammy Watkins absolutely has elite talent. He's 6'1"

1) Sammy Watkins isn't 6'1"

2) Why does he have "elite talent" in your eyes? My definition of elite is top 5 at the WR position.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Devin Smith - WR - Buckeyes

Ohio State WR Devin Smith "has a chance to run in the 4.2 range," writes ESPN's Todd McShay.

"He's a track guy, participating in the high jump and 4x100-meter relay for the Buckeyes, and his speed translates well to the football field," McShay wrote. "I think he was a bit overlooked in terms of how important he was to OSU's success this season, as he was the best downfield threat in college football." Smith has run a reported 4.33 forty. He was Ohio's high school long jumping champion and also ran a 10.56 100-meter dash. Smith is a potential Round 1 pick if he singes the track in Indy.

Source: ESPN Insider

Feb 17 - 9:33 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Breshad Perriman - WR - Knights

NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock said he "put the [uCF WR Breshad Perriman] tape on about three weeks ago and I almost fell over."

"And then I had a bunch of people tell me he didn't have good hands and, boy, do I disagree with that, even though he's got more drops than he should," Mayock said. "There's kind of a way to interpret that. A wide receiver who has too many drops should have bad hands, right? Well, I look at his hands and say he makes acrobatic catches, he makes high-point catches, he makes contested catches. However, once in a while he drops an easy ball, but I think he's a natural hands catcher. I think he's got height and weight. I think he runs good routes. To me, he looks like a first-round wide receiver. I need to see what he's going to run this week. If he runs 4.50, 4.48, 4.51, people are going to be looking at him as a potential first-round wide receiver, and they should." NFL Media senior analyst Gil Brandt recently tweeted that Perriman is "ascending" and added that it would be "no surprise" if he went in Round 1. Perriman did not receive a Day 1 or 2 g

Source: NFL.com

Feb 17 - 8:18 PM

 

[-CE-]

I see, this is about my debate about Sammy Watkins not being elite.

To review:

I said that to be an elite(top 5) WR in FF a player needed(in almost all cases) to be either:

1) a dynamic athlete(Julio Jones/Calvin Johnson type)

2) tall, 6'2" or taller(AJ Green)

3) have an elite QB throwing him the football(Peyton to Sanders for example)

Rookie WRs that finished better than Watkins' 198 FF points in PPR leagues:

Kelvin Benjamin 225.8 (tall), 18 more targets than Watkins

ODJ 297 (dynamic athlete), 4 more targets than Watkins

Mike Evans 245.1 (tall), 4 less targets than Watkins

Jordan Matthews 202.2 (tall), 23 less targets than Watkins

Now I don't think Benjamin or Matthews have elite potential, just helps with a measuring stick to Watkins.

Are people going to debate that Sammy Watkins still has top 5 potential?

Sammy Watkins absolutely has elite talent. He's 6'1"

1) Sammy Watkins isn't 6'1"

2) Why does he have "elite talent" in your eyes? My definition of elite is top 5 at the WR position.

How tall is he then?

Because is combine profile says 6'1": http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/sammy-watkins?id=2543457

A simple google search says 6'1": https://www.google.com/#q=how+tall+is+sammy+watkins

His ESPN profile says 6'1": http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/16725/sammy-watkins

So once we establish that he's 6'1", then maybe we can move on to the most difficult aspects of a conversation about whether or not he is elite.

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Combine Preview:

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/52268/351/2015-nfl-combine-preview

 

[Faust]

Jeremiah: Garrett Grayson No. 3 QB prospect in 2015 NFL Draft

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470978/article/jeremiah-garrett-grayson-no-3-qb-prospect-in-2015-nfl-draft

 

[Faust]

Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota to throw at NFL combine:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470989/article/jameis-winston-marcus-mariota-to-throw-at-nfl-combine

 

[tdmills]

I see, this is about my debate about Sammy Watkins not being elite.

To review:

I said that to be an elite(top 5) WR in FF a player needed(in almost all cases) to be either:

1) a dynamic athlete(Julio Jones/Calvin Johnson type)

2) tall, 6'2" or taller(AJ Green)

3) have an elite QB throwing him the football(Peyton to Sanders for example)

Rookie WRs that finished better than Watkins' 198 FF points in PPR leagues:

Kelvin Benjamin 225.8 (tall), 18 more targets than Watkins

ODJ 297 (dynamic athlete), 4 more targets than Watkins

Mike Evans 245.1 (tall), 4 less targets than Watkins

Jordan Matthews 202.2 (tall), 23 less targets than Watkins

Now I don't think Benjamin or Matthews have elite potential, just helps with a measuring stick to Watkins.

Are people going to debate that Sammy Watkins still has top 5 potential?

Sammy Watkins absolutely has elite talent. He's 6'1"

1) Sammy Watkins isn't 6'1"

2) Why does he have "elite talent" in your eyes? My definition of elite is top 5 at the WR position.

How tall is he then?

Because is combine profile says 6'1": http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/sammy-watkins?id=2543457

A simple google search says 6'1": https://www.google.com/#q=how+tall+is+sammy+watkins

His ESPN profile says 6'1": http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/16725/sammy-watkins

So once we establish that he's 6'1", then maybe we can move on to the most difficult aspects of a conversation about whether or not he is elite.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2014/combine/wr.html

He measured in at the combine at 6'0 3/4.

We don't need to continue discussing Watkins in the 2015 draft prospects thread. If you want to continue move it to another thread. I've seen no respect in your posting at FBGs, so i'm unsure how much time I should devote to this debate. Appears you have a personal agenda, which makes this a time suck.

 

[jurb26]

So, I was listening to an ex-scout for the Dallas Cowboys who still have certain connections.

He said that Ajayi, Gordon, and Adullah are working out together at the same facility. He said that one of the trainers contacted him and said that Ajayi was a "beast!"

Just FYI,

Tex

Physically, I bet he is. His raw tools are very impressive. I still question is vision and running instincts, though. He bounces outside way too much and seems to like to dance when it's not needed. He's going to need to run with greater efficiency in the NFL.

 

[jurb26]

This guy seems to like every player. Very few negative comments.

Brandon Thorns 2015 NFL Draft BIG BOARD Feb. 3

• RB Todd Gurley Georgia 6-1/232 Coming off torn-ACL but has a Marshawn Lynch skill-set only with more speed. How bad does he want it?

I have seen this comparison made elsewhere and I don't agree with it. Everyone knows Lynch is a powerful and determined runner, but his trademark quality at Cal might have been his violent east-west cuts. You can see a great example of it on this screen pass against UCLA:

http://youtu.be/owcX0MBt8DM?t=45s

The guy was (and still is) a very loose runner who could effortlessly change directions. Much more of an ankle-breaker than Gurley. That's part of where his power comes from. He gets people off balance and then they lose their base from which to tackle him. I would not say Gurley is a stiff runner, but I've never seen him run with that jerky Lynch style. He's more inclined to get north-south and rumble with his speed. Very fast for a big dude, but not an elite "run on a swivel" make-you-miss type of guy.

Who would you compare Gurley to in the NFL past or present?

Larry Johnson

Fred Taylor.

 

[tdmills]

This guy seems to like every player. Very few negative comments.

Brandon Thorns 2015 NFL Draft BIG BOARD Feb. 3

• RB Todd Gurley Georgia 6-1/232 Coming off torn-ACL but has a Marshawn Lynch skill-set only with more speed. How bad does he want it?

I have seen this comparison made elsewhere and I don't agree with it. Everyone knows Lynch is a powerful and determined runner, but his trademark quality at Cal might have been his violent east-west cuts. You can see a great example of it on this screen pass against UCLA:

http://youtu.be/owcX0MBt8DM?t=45s

The guy was (and still is) a very loose runner who could effortlessly change directions. Much more of an ankle-breaker than Gurley. That's part of where his power comes from. He gets people off balance and then they lose their base from which to tackle him. I would not say Gurley is a stiff runner, but I've never seen him run with that jerky Lynch style. He's more inclined to get north-south and rumble with his speed. Very fast for a big dude, but not an elite "run on a swivel" make-you-miss type of guy.

Who would you compare Gurley to in the NFL past or present?

Larry Johnson

Fred Taylor.

That's not a bad comparison either.

 

[Faust]

Report: Colorado State's Garrett Grayson to sit out NFL combine

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Miami RB Duke Johnson "a very explosive player, but durability concerns could hurt his draft stock," wrote ESPN's Todd McShay.
"He's undersized (5-9, 206), and even though he started all 13 games in 2014, he's dealt with some injuries during his Miami career," McShay wrote. "He suffered a season-ending ankle injury in 2013, has dealt with concussion-like symptoms and has a history of migraines." The 5-foot-9, 194-pound Johnson had 1,652 rushing yards on a 6.8 YPC average and 10 touchdowns in 2014, adding 38 receptions for 421 yards and three scores. He finished with 3,519 career rushing yards, passing in the record books elite Hurricane RBs such as Frank Gore, Clinton Portis, Edgerrin James, Willis McGahee and Ottis Anderson. CBS projects him as a Day 2 pick.

Source: ESPN Insider
Feb 18 - 11:34 AM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Todd McShay reports that West Virginia WR Mario Alford "supposedly runs in the low-4.3 range in the 40 and should be one of the combine's fastest performers."
"He's a one-trick pony, but if you're going to have just one, his is the one to have," McShay wrote. "He runs '9 routes' -- and runs them at a really fast pace." The 5-foot-9, 175-pound Alford led the Mountaineers in yards per catch (14.5) and touchdowns (13) this past season, finishing with 65 receptions for 945 yards. The West Virginia prospect is a Day 3 prospect.

Source: ESPN Insider
Feb 18 - 11:04 AM

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Combine Top 32: Leonard Williams, not QB duo, is No. 1

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Nebraska RB Ameer Abdullah averaged one fumble per every 35.4 touches during his four-year college career.
Per CBS' Dane Brugler, this is the highest fumble rate in the 2015 running back class. Wisconsin's Melvin Gordon had the second highest fumble rate at one loose ball per every 54.4 touches, while Alabama's T.J. Yeldon averaged one fumble every 62.2 touches. Jay Ajayi fumbled once every 62.6 touches.

Source: Dane Brugler on Twitter
Feb 18 - 11:40 AM

 

[mcintyre1]

45 minute video of Ameer Abdullah's 2014 season. Someone had way too much time on their hands. Particularly like the short interview clip after the McNeese State game, shows the "off the charts" character scouts are indicating.

Wish someone made one of these for all of the top RBs.

 

[Faust]

How often do elite 40-yard dash times translate to successful NFL careers?

 

[-CE-]

I see, this is about my debate about Sammy Watkins not being elite.

To review:
I said that to be an elite(top 5) WR in FF a player needed(in almost all cases) to be either:
1) a dynamic athlete(Julio Jones/Calvin Johnson type)
2) tall, 6'2" or taller(AJ Green)
3) have an elite QB throwing him the football(Peyton to Sanders for example)

Rookie WRs that finished better than Watkins' 198 FF points in PPR leagues:
Kelvin Benjamin 225.8 (tall), 18 more targets than Watkins
ODJ 297 (dynamic athlete), 4 more targets than Watkins
Mike Evans 245.1 (tall), 4 less targets than Watkins
Jordan Matthews 202.2 (tall), 23 less targets than Watkins

Now I don't think Benjamin or Matthews have elite potential, just helps with a measuring stick to Watkins.

Are people going to debate that Sammy Watkins still has top 5 potential?

Sammy Watkins absolutely has elite talent. He's 6'1"

1) Sammy Watkins isn't 6'1"

2) Why does he have "elite talent" in your eyes? My definition of elite is top 5 at the WR position.

How tall is he then?
Because is combine profile says 6'1": http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/sammy-watkins?id=2543457
A simple google search says 6'1": https://www.google.com/#q=how+tall+is+sammy+watkins
His ESPN profile says 6'1": http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/16725/sammy-watkins

So once we establish that he's 6'1", then maybe we can move on to the most difficult aspects of a conversation about whether or not he is elite.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2014/combine/wr.html

He measured in at the combine at 6'0 3/4.

We don't need to continue discussing Watkins in the 2015 draft prospects thread. If you want to continue move it to another thread. I've seen no respect in your posting at FBGs, so i'm unsure how much time I should devote to this debate. Appears you have a personal agenda, which makes this a time suck.

Make sure you always list a players height with fractions when applicable from now on?

I have no personal agenda with Watkins. I don't own him in any leagues. I was lucky enough to trade for a first rounder in 2013 that wound up being the 1.02 last year, where I snagged Evans. I've offered him straight up for Watkins this offseason and got turned down.

My original point is that your "three criteria" for what can make a WR elite is ridiculous. You then go ahead and cherry pick targets as a reason why such and such a receiver had a better year and will be better than Watkins, which is, again, ridiculous.

If you want to know why I think Watkins is elite? He combines speed and power at a level that no other receiver in his class does. He was a track champion in high school and plays as fast with the pads on. He took short passes to long gains consistently when given an accurate throw by his QB. His body control is on another level that Mike Evans, Kelvin Benjamin and Jordan Matthews don't have. He sets himself up to be successful after the catch with how he uses that body control to adjust to the ball and immediately begin heading downfield once the catch is secured. Once he has the ball, he runs with a lower center of gravity than all of the receivers in his class and will finish with a hit and continue to drive with the legs as he's going to the ground.

As far as 2015 receivers coming out this year? It doesn't appear that any of them will be as good as Watkins.

 

[Faust]

The 2015 NFL Draft's top 100 players

 

[Zyphros]

So, I was listening to an ex-scout for the Dallas Cowboys who still have certain connections.

He said that Ajayi, Gordon, and Adullah are working out together at the same facility. He said that one of the trainers contacted him and said that Ajayi was a "beast!"

Just FYI,

Tex

Physically, I bet he is. His raw tools are very impressive. I still question is vision and running instincts, though. He bounces outside way too much and seems to like to dance when it's not needed. He's going to need to run with greater efficiency in the NFL.

That's my main concern with Ajayi as well, and it can't be proven in the combine. He's also a very poor non-physical blitz blocker. That can be learned though. I'm having difficulty putting him in my rankings because physically he fits the bill, but the intangible stuff, vision and instincts are huge question marks for me. So do I put guys who have shown me good vision and instincts in their tape with a teachable weakness above Ajayi? I don't know.

 

[Faust]

Kevin White, Ali Marpet among must-see prospects at NFL Scouting Combine

 

[Faust]

Top 10 NFL prospects by position

Mel Kiper Jr.

Excerpt (to see the full article you must be an ESPN insider):

* Denotes junior
** Denotes third-year sophomore

​

OffenseQuarterbacks

1. **Jameis Winston, Florida St.
2. *Marcus Mariota, Oregon
3. *Brett Hundley, UCLA
4. Bryce Petty, Baylor
5. Garrett Grayson, Colorado St.
6. Sean Mannion, Oregon St.
7. Bryan Bennett, Southeastern Louisiana
8. Rakeem Cato, Marshall
9. Mark Myers, John Carroll
10. Grant Hedrick, Boise St.

The names that weren't on the previous ranking are the final three on the list -- Cato, Myers, and Hedrick. I'm not sure any QB has moved up for me more in the past month than Hedrick, who has a chance to stick on a roster. He lacks height (he is just under 6 feet) but does a lot of other things well. Frankly, it's a pretty thin class and I wouldn't be surprised if we see more movement after Petty, as pro days will shift some evals for guys down the list. Blake Sims (Alabama) was on the edge here.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Al.com's Brandon Marcello reports that former Auburn QB Nick Marshall will participate in quarterback drills and throw at the NFL Combine.
"Marshall will participate in all quarterback drills. Several NFL teams are expected to pull him to the side and work through defensive back drills, but he will not participate in on-the-field drills with the group of defensive backs invited to the combine," Marcello wrote. The Auburn prospect was invited to the combine as a QB, even though he planned to move to cornerback back in January. It looks like some teams will have interest in Marshall as a quarterback, while others see the Auburn prospect value as a cornerback. Nick Marshall as a QB, shows traits that could warrant him a late round selection as a quarterback.

Source: Al.com
Feb 18 - 2:01 PM

 

[voiceofunreason]

I see, this is about my debate about Sammy Watkins not being elite.

To review:

I said that to be an elite(top 5) WR in FF a player needed(in almost all cases) to be either:

1) a dynamic athlete(Julio Jones/Calvin Johnson type)

2) tall, 6'2" or taller(AJ Green)

3) have an elite QB throwing him the football(Peyton to Sanders for example)

Rookie WRs that finished better than Watkins' 198 FF points in PPR leagues:

Kelvin Benjamin 225.8 (tall), 18 more targets than Watkins

ODJ 297 (dynamic athlete), 4 more targets than Watkins

Mike Evans 245.1 (tall), 4 less targets than Watkins

Jordan Matthews 202.2 (tall), 23 less targets than Watkins

Now I don't think Benjamin or Matthews have elite potential, just helps with a measuring stick to Watkins.

Are people going to debate that Sammy Watkins still has top 5 potential?

Sammy Watkins absolutely has elite talent. He's 6'1"

1) Sammy Watkins isn't 6'1"

2) Why does he have "elite talent" in your eyes? My definition of elite is top 5 at the WR position.

We get it, you don't like Watkins. After you say something 20 or 30 times, it's over.

 

[Faust]

Sources Tell Us: What we heard on Day 1 of Scouting Combine

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Scouting Combine: Prospect takeaways from Day 1

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Minnesota TE Maxx Williams measured 6-foot-3 7/8 and 249 pounds at the NFL Combine.

Perhaps most impressively, Williams has huge 10 3/8-inch hands, bigger than many NFL left tackles. His arm length of 33 1/2" will create for a wide catching radius. Williams is easily the premier tight end in this year's draft class, and still isn't 21 years old. He's a high-ceiling prospect.

Source: Josh Norris on Twitter
Feb 18 - 4:33 PM

CBS Sports' Dane Brugler notes that Minnesota redshirt sophomore TE Maxx Williams compares his skill-set to Dallas Cowboys' TE Jason Witten.

"Williams compares himself to Jason Witten, which is my exact comparison for him. A lot of similarities," Brugler tweeted. The 6-foot-4, 250-pound Williams has been viewed as the No. 1 TE across evaluators' boards. The Minnesota prospect is seen as a move tight end at the next level, and has the ability to create mismatches for linebackers and safeties in the passing game. Williams could potentially hear his name called in the back end of the first round.

Source: Dane Brugler on Twitter
Feb 18 - 4:01 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock wrote that South Alabama QB Brandon Bridge has "got a whip; it's just he has no idea what he's doing yet."

"Brandon Bridge is interesting," Mayock said. "I saw him make a comment that said he could extend plays and he had the best arm of anybody at the combine. He's got a live arm. He's got a whip -- 6-5. I'm anxious to watch him throw. He's a project. He's very raw. He has no clue what he's doing." The 6-foot-5, 235-pound Bridge has an NFL-grade gun, and NFL-grade athleticism, but he's about as raw as they come, with happy feet and a propensity to fire fastballs to nearby receivers expecting changeups. CBS projects the signal-caller as a mid-to-late round draft pick. "The ball shoots off his hand and he has some traits you cannot teach," an AFC North scout said earlier this year. "I'm just not sure how naturally the game comes to him."


Source: NFL.com
Feb 18 - 2:50 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Colorado State QB Garrett Grayson "is one of those guys that does everything pretty well," says NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock.

"No real elite traits," Mayock said. "I like the kid. I think he's a strong backup quarterback candidate." The Mountain West Conference offensive player of the year was one of only four QBs to throw for more than 4,000 yards this season; he added a 32/7 TD/INT ratio. Grayson, a Day 3 prospect, posted 7,975 yards and a 55/18 TD/INT ratio across 27 starts for the Rams over the past two years.

Source: NFL.com
Feb 18 - 3:33 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock said Florida State WR Rashad Greene "gets overlooked a little bit too much."

"His production got better every single year. He's one of the best route runners in this year's class," Mayock said. "He's quick. He understands the game. He has good hands. What he needs to show this week is some speed. Everybody knows his quickness. I think most of the teams want to know what he runs that 40 in." Greene dropped only one of every 74 balls thrown his way this past season, a ridiculous percentage. We expect Greene to be selected on Day 2. NFL Media's Daniel Jeremiah compares him to Broncos' WR Emmanuel Sanders, while Lance Zierlein comps him to Marvin Jones.

Source: NFL.com
Feb 18 - 4:47 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

UCF WR Breshad Perriman debuted at No. 33 on NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah's board.

"Perriman is a tall, physical wide receiver with excellent big-play production throughout his college career. He uses his strength to power through press coverage," Jeremiah wrote. "He isn't explosive in his release, but he builds speed and he can find an extra gear when the ball is in the air. A lot of his production comes on three routes: posts, post corners and take-off routes. He isn't as effective when has to work back to the quarterback. He is too high into his break and he's sticky coming out. He makes some special high-point grabs, but he also has a lot of extension drops. His concentration needs to improve. After the catch, he is very physical to break tackles and he can pull away with speed. Overall, he has some tightness that limits his route versatility, but he should be an immediate deep threat as well as an inviting red zone target." NFL Media senior analyst Gil Brandt recently labeled Perriman as one of the draft's fastest risers and added that it wou

Source: NFL.com
Feb 18 - 8:55 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Northern Iowa RB David Johnson is an "intriguing kid, tremendous size at running back, combined with an ability to catch the football," said NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock.

"My one nitpick with him would be given his size at 225, 230 pounds, I'd like him to be more consistently physical instead of just kind of bracing for contact," Mayock said. "I'd like to see him embrace contact. I'd like to see him be more physical and finish. But I think at this point I've got a third-round grade on him, and he could go even higher." CBS Sports' Dane Brugler called the 6-foot-3, 225-pound Johnson a "bigger version of Charles Sims," a comparison Mayock has also made. TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline previously reported that Johnson is being graded as a second- to fourth-round draft pick.

Source: NFL.com
Feb 18 - 9:47 PM

 

[Xue]

Tyler Lockett caught 71.1% of his targets in 2014. For reference, Jake Waters had 66.0% completion rate for the season. If Lockett has bad hands, he must be open a ton!

 

[tdmills]

I see, this is about my debate about Sammy Watkins not being elite.

To review:

I said that to be an elite(top 5) WR in FF a player needed(in almost all cases) to be either:

1) a dynamic athlete(Julio Jones/Calvin Johnson type)

2) tall, 6'2" or taller(AJ Green)

3) have an elite QB throwing him the football(Peyton to Sanders for example)

Rookie WRs that finished better than Watkins' 198 FF points in PPR leagues:

Kelvin Benjamin 225.8 (tall), 18 more targets than Watkins

ODJ 297 (dynamic athlete), 4 more targets than Watkins

Mike Evans 245.1 (tall), 4 less targets than Watkins

Jordan Matthews 202.2 (tall), 23 less targets than Watkins

Now I don't think Benjamin or Matthews have elite potential, just helps with a measuring stick to Watkins.

Are people going to debate that Sammy Watkins still has top 5 potential?

Sammy Watkins absolutely has elite talent. He's 6'1"

1) Sammy Watkins isn't 6'1"

2) Why does he have "elite talent" in your eyes? My definition of elite is top 5 at the WR position.

We get it, you don't like Watkins. After you say something 20 or 30 times, it's over.

Just because I don't think a player can be top 5 doesn't mean I don't like him.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

UMass TE Jean Sifrin's Combine measurements are 6'5" and 245 lbs.

Sifrin has obscenely large hands, measuring in with 11" mits to go along with 33 3/8" arms. The issue is that Sifrin will turn 28 just before the 2015 season begins after taking some time away from football. teams will need to determine if he can make an immediate impact on a single contract.

Source: NFL.com
Feb 19 - 10:37 AM

 

[tdmills]

Gurley 6'0 5/8 222, Gordon 6'0 5/8;215, ajayi 5'11 and change 221, Duke 5'9 207, yeldon in the 220's

 

[jurb26]

Gurley 6'0 5/8 222, Gordon 6'0 5/8;215, ajayi 5'11 and change 221, Duke 5'9 207, yeldon in the 220's

Looks like Gurley weight went down while everyone else went up. Not surprising given his knee recovery. That's a very good weight for Duke. It was feared he'd come in bellow 205. He'll never be a bruiser in the NFL but if he can carry that weight and perhaps add a few pounds it will help him. Curious how he runs and test.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

UCF WR Breshad Perriman will not work out at the NFL Combine, according to Gil Brandt.
Perriman is out with an injury and will work out at the school's pro day on march 25. Some have been projecting Perriman in the first-round, and he seems to be impressing more people who watch his tape. The lack of a Combine workout will slow that buzz, however. At least we will get measurements on Perriman's frame on Thursday.

Source: CFB 24/7 on Twitter
Feb 19 - 11:14 AM

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Gurley 6'0 5/8 222, Gordon 6'0 5/8;215, ajayi 5'11 and change 221, Duke 5'9 207, yeldon in the 220's

what about tevin coleman & ameer?

 

[MAC_32]

Tyler Lockett caught 71.1% of his targets in 2014. For reference, Jake Waters had 66.0% completion rate for the season. If Lockett has bad hands, he must be open a ton!

he does and he is.

 

[EBF]

Gurley 6'0 5/8 222, Gordon 6'0 5/8;215, ajayi 5'11 and change 221, Duke 5'9 207, yeldon in the 220's

what about tevin coleman & ameer?

I think NFL.com has updated heights/weights in their prospect profiles, though the heights are rounded to the nearest inch.

Gordon's 215 pounds at 6'1" would put him in the 28.X BMI range, which is approximately Reggie Bush/Adrian Peterson territory. At that size you'd definitely like to see a fast 40 time. I would be pretty disappointed with anything above a 4.45 and really you'd hope for something in the 4.3X range.

They have Ameer at 5'9" 205, so I guess he hit the training table hard after the Senior Bowl, where IIRC he weighed about 198.

Mike Dyer came in at 5'8" 218. That's a tank. If he can run a 4.4X and jump well, he could have a good claim for best "on paper" measurables in the RB class.