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[Dynasty] 2017 Draft Prospects (4 Viewers)

Personal shots!?!  Please.  One needs to go no further than the Christian McCaffrey thread to see who resorts to personal shots.  Calling you a know-it-all is hardly a personal shot.  Do you really think you can act like a d-bag for 6 months then pull a bugs bunny on this forum?  You're a trip. <<<Pssst,  :no:
Come on man, you've been around these (and other) parts to know the sure-fire signs of the classic internet troll.  You know, act like a pompous jerk to everyone, but give that person one bit of venom and they cry victim.  :lol:

And to the McCaffrey take... I agree that his value is really dependent on where he lands.  As a fantasy asset I think he could be special.  With that said, though, I would also be not all too shocked if he totally bombs, not relating to the NFL game.  It could happen.

 
Sitting pretty with 1.01, 1.03, and six other first rounders that haven't been decided yet. Going to load up on RBs and maybe take one receiver at 1.03. 

 
Sitting pretty with 1.01, 1.03, and six other first rounders that haven't been decided yet. Going to load up on RBs and maybe take one receiver at 1.03. 
Man and I thought I was loaded with 1.03, 1.06, 1.07 and 1.08 in a 14-teamer.  Nice.

 
Seems every year I'm able to get the 1.01 pick, I get a year like this when there is definite debate as to who is the right guy.

I never seem to get the Zeke Elliot years.

:D

 
Seems every year I'm able to get the 1.01 pick, I get a year like this when there is definite debate as to who is the right guy.

I never seem to get the Zeke Elliot years.

:D
Zeke wasnt the consensus #1 this time last year. There may be a guy once the draft starts.

 
Seems every year I'm able to get the 1.01 pick, I get a year like this when there is definite debate as to who is the right guy.

I never seem to get the Zeke Elliot years.

:D
Having the number one pick this year is a good thing, believe me.

 
Myself and another owner in a dynasty league both spent the better part of a the last two years going after 2017 picks.  We have 8 of the 12.

I've acquired the 1.1, and the other three I have are all playoff teams, myself included.  Other owner has three picks all better than my next 1st rounder, I think.  

I am hoping beyond hope that I can turn Fournette into two top 5 picks.  I like him a lot, but if I can turn Fournette into Cook/Williams, or whatever combo you like, I will.  

With one of those bottom six picks, I intend to take Chubb with one of them.  

I am also hoping/thinking that people at the top of the 1st round are going to go RB crazy, leaving some top WRs for the late 1st to scoop up.  I predict this will be a narrative we start hearing about regarding rookie drafts, as fantasy experts start telling everyone not to forget the WRs, as they are still the backbone to a dynasty squad.

''Mark it Down''   :D

 
I found it tough sledding to add 2017 1sts, people were wise to the speculation.  I have 3, 3, and 2 in my leagues.  What I was able to do though was snag some 2nd's on the cheap getting 3, 4, and 3 of those.  With how top-heavy the draft is, there's going to be some serious value in the 2nd round, especially since they are all IDP leagues.  I just slapped a fast 1-24 rank and am stoked at some of the names that could be there.  Two of my leagues really don't have any room on taxi for all those picks though so will probably flip quite a few into roster production. 

 
I've got a rebuild where I've got 1.03, 1.05, and a playoff pick plus four 2nds, four 3rds, and multiple picks all the way through 7 rounds. The twist is that we draft before the NFL Draft (after the combine), so it's going to be fascinating to see how it goes.

I've got an orphan devy rebuild where I've either inherited or traded for: Cook, Fournette, McCaffery, Chubb, and Barkley next year. 

So needless to say I'm pumped for this class.

 
In my main league, I managed to come out with the 1.01, 1.05, 1.06 and my own first whatever it ends up as, b/c I'm in the playoffs so unknown right now.  I'm hoping to flip 1.01 into maybe 1.04 and a mid 1st in 2018 as well.  I'm not a big fan of Fournette as of this writing and I'd rather have these "lesser" guys like McCaffery/Chubb/Williams/Davis all of whom are looking like bottom half 1st round picks right now.  I'll build off of those guys any day of the week while adding value to my team in future picks as well.  It seems like a no brainer with a class this deep.  

When you really look at the RB's for example, and I might be the only person who feels this way, I don't see a big drop of (if any at all) from Fournette to Chubb, or any of the other 3 RB's considered to be in the top5 for this year.  What I am afraid of, is someone with the same thinking and then taking McCaffery #1 overall or something and surprising me and ruining the plans I'm making around the picks I have.  That seems like a real possiblity this year and not just McCaffery as the possible #1 but 6-8 different guys at this moment that it could be if someone is bold enough.  

 
I would not be surprised at all if by the time the combine and NFL landing spot are factored in, Cook has distanced himself as the obvious 1.01 that you wouldn't want to trade away for the 1.04 and a future 1st. I give Fournette and McCaffery a smaller shot at attaining this position, and don't think any of the WR's have a shot at becoming the consensus 1.01.

 
Just my opinion, but I think you're going to be terribly disappointed.
I don't get the skepticism about Mccaffery. Is it because he is white? He has the physical dimensions at 6-0 200lbs. His 40 time is 4.5, and I expect he will crack 4.4 by the combine. I  have watched a lot of his games and rarely do I recall him getting run down. There are a lot of fast cats in the PAC 12. He is the most complete RB in this class IMO. Runner, receiver and returner. 

 
Just read this a few minutes ago, here is link to article: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000754121/article/ohio-states-unreal-2016-draft-class-dallas-benddontbreak-d



 



 



ASK THE LEAGUE: How does Christian McCaffrey project to the NFL?




When Christian McCaffrey decided to enter the draft, I admittedly perked up at the thought of another dynamic playmaker entering the league. With the running back about to begin the pre-draft process, I thought I'd reach out to a few folks in the industry to get their initial impressions on the Stanford star. Here's what I asked and their responses:

What are your thoughts on Christian McCaffrey? Will he be a star as a pro?

NFC scout: "I believe the kid is an outstanding talent, but you must have a plan for what you're going to do with him. He's not going to be as fast or as twitchy as some expect, but he is going to test well enough to be in the conversation in the first round. As a player, I don't know if he can shoulder the load as a workhorse back. He gains a lot of yards between the tackles, but I don't know if he is ever going to be a YAC (yards after contact) guy. To me, he is Brian Westbrook. He will make his plays as a runner-receiver-returner in the right system. I just hope he goes to a team that understands his game and puts him in the right spots to shine."

AFC senior personnel executive: "Hmmm. He's a nice piece of a puzzle, but I don't think he's a transcendent star. I can see him being more of a role player like Danny Woodhead. He's more of a balance and control-type runner, instead of a dynamic playmaker. He has some shake and wiggle, but lacks exceptional pitter-pat. ... I think he needs to be in the right system to maximize his talents as a multi-purpose player."

Second NFC scout: "I don't think he's as good as Reggie Bush and (Bush) didn't set the league on fire. To me, McCaffrey is a role player that gets a few touches on catches out of the backfield or on gadgets. I might be wrong, but I don't think he can be a full-time guy."

MY TAKE

It is little surprising to hear the varying opinions from scouts on one of the most accomplished players in college football. McCaffrey is only a season removed from shattering Barry Sanders' NCAA record for single-season all-purpose yardage. Not to mention, he is completing a season where he has rushed for over 1,600 yards and tallied eight 100-yard rushing games. Considering how he entered the year as a marked man after finishing second in the 2015 Heisman Trophy voting, I would think that his production alone would pique the interest of scouts looking for a versatile playmaker to add to the lineup.

When I've previously studied McCaffrey at Stanford, I've been impressed with his big-play ability as a two-phase player. He can flip the field with his efforts as a runner-receiver-returner, and he's a gritty workhorse for a team that lacks many playmakers on the perimeter. Moreover, McCaffrey played and acted like a five-star player whenever the Cardinal faced elite competition, so I sensed that the NFL game wouldn't be too big for him when he got his chance.

Studying coaches tape from this season, I was still impressed with McCaffrey's versatility and playmaking skills as a multi-purpose weapon, but I didn't see him generate as many explosive plays. As a runner, in particular, I didn't see him reach the second level on a series of explosive cuts or creative moves that suggested he could play like Houdini in a phone booth at the next level. Granted, he was facing a number of loaded boxes after posting a monster season as the RB1 for the Cardinal, but I still expected to see him pop a few big runs based on his reputation as a premier playmaker at the position.

 
As a punt returner, McCaffrey is a home run waiting to happen. He has a knack for spotting creases in traffic that should make him a dynamic return man at the next level. Despite having several punt-return scores called back due to penalties this season, McCaffrey's brilliance as a returner is enough to make him an early-round selection.

Overall, I tend to agree with the assessment that McCaffrey is probably destined to be more of a role player than a star at the next level. I know he has some "wow" plays on his résumé, but not nearly as many as Reggie Bush compiled at USC. Given how Bush largely made his mark in the league as a third-down back/return specialist, I would expect McCaffrey settle into a similar role as a pro.

With that being said, I do believe he could be a game changer for a team like New England, San Diego or New Orleans. Those teams understand how to incorporate versatile playmakers into the game plan. In the end, scheme fit will determine whether McCaffrey sets the league on fire.

 
I've got a ton of firepower in 2017 with picks 1, 2, 4, 6, and 2 more undecided.  It cost me quite a bit but that's for another thread.  That said, I'm holding judgement until the draft when we see where everyone goes.  If forced to pick today I'd stay relatively close to early consensus with Fornette, Cook, Williams (if available), then Chubb assuming McCaff is gone at 1.6.  Rich get richer.

 
I've got a ton of firepower in 2017 with picks 1, 2, 4, 6, and 2 more undecided.  It cost me quite a bit but that's for another thread.  That said, I'm holding judgement until the draft when we see where everyone goes.  If forced to pick today I'd stay relatively close to early consensus with Fornette, Cook, Williams (if available), then Chubb assuming McCaff is gone at 1.6.  Rich get richer.
Very similar to my current situation. I have #1, #2, #4, #5-10 (depends on playoffs, but likely #5 or #7 at worst), #12, #13, #15, #21, & #24 (9 of top 24) + first pick of remaining rounds (we keep drafting until everyone drops out -- 30 man rosters so most go at least 5 rounds while some may reach out to 10).

If  pressed to pick today, I like Cook, Fournette, (since we have #1 & #2, order not really important, unless we decide to sell one of the picks) C. Davis (if available), then Chubb.  

So, I  am pretty close to you in current planning.  The one big wrinkle for me, is the decision in regard to potential trades.  I plan to post a topic about it sometime soon, but I have some more prep work to make my idea presentable.  But it basically comes down to the following question:

Which is the most optimal for 2017 and in general:

       A) Use all picks to increase chance of hits & minimize pain of busts

       B) Use top picks & trade others for proven (to me at least) assets

       C) trade top picks & use others (this is projected to be a very deep class)

       D) trade picks

A guy I believe is an excellent player, tends to lean towards B and has built a very strong team using this method.  However, I am flirting with A, unless I get some offers I can't refuse.  But, I want to do some serious historical research before I decide which way to go...and like I said...a silly stupid offer for my high picks might turn all my plans awry. 

EDIT: Oh, I am in full rebuild.  Obviously, "contender vs. rebuilder" makes a big difference in one's answer to my question above.

 
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Very similar to my current situation. I have #1, #2, #4, #5-10 (depends on playoffs, but likely #5 or #7 at worst), #12, #13, #15, #21, & #24 (9 of top 24) + first pick of remaining rounds (we keep drafting until everyone drops out -- 30 man rosters so most go at least 5 rounds while some may reach out to 10).

If  pressed to pick today, I like Cook, Fournette, (since we have #1 & #2, order not really important, unless we decide to sell one of the picks) C. Davis (if available), then Chubb.  

So, I  am pretty close to you in current planning.  The one big wrinkle for me, is the decision in regard to potential trades.  I plan to post a topic about it sometime soon, but I have some more prep work to make my idea presentable.  But it basically comes down to the following question:

Which is the most optimal for 2017 and in general:

       A) Use all picks to increase chance of hits & minimize pain of busts

       B) Use top picks & trade others for proven (to me at least) assets

       C) trade top picks & use others (this is projected to be a very deep class)

       D) trade picks

A guy I believe is an excellent player, tends to lean towards B and has built a very strong team using this method.  However, I am flirting with A, unless I get some offers I can't refuse.  But, I want to do some serious historical research before I decide which way to go...and like I said...a silly stupid offer for my high picks might turn all my plans awry. 

EDIT: Oh, I am in full rebuild.  Obviously, "contender vs. rebuilder" makes a big difference in one's answer to my question above.
Interesting, I too have seen an owner be successful with using method B. That's an interesting topic. With 8 picks in the first two rounds I was thinking of using that method but there's only a few players I'm willing to go after, if I can't get the players I want then method A is my obvious choice since this will be a deep class.

ETA: I'm a contender, I'm not in rebuild mode. I've been able to make trades without losing the farm.

Tex

 
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I don't get the skepticism about Mccaffery. Is it because he is white? He has the physical dimensions at 6-0 200lbs. His 40 time is 4.5, and I expect he will crack 4.4 by the combine. I  have watched a lot of his games and rarely do I recall him getting run down. There are a lot of fast cats in the PAC 12. He is the most complete RB in this class IMO. Runner, receiver and returner. 
For me, a big part of it is him being white. I look at the NFL today, then I look at the NFL over the last 30+ years and I see a league that has had a handful of successful white bruiser RBs, (Riggins, Alstott, Hillis), but not a single white feature tailback, which for me puts him in the same category as white cornerbacks which is until I see a couple have success I'm gonna be inclined to believe they won't succeed. That being said, I think he will be a good fantasy player, especially in a ppr format, but as part of a committee where he gets a handful of rushes and is the primary receiving back. Will probably be more valuable to an NFL team than a fantasy one.

 
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I've got a ton of firepower in 2017 with picks 1, 2, 4, 6, and 2 more undecided.  It cost me quite a bit but that's for another thread.  That said, I'm holding judgement until the draft when we see where everyone goes.  If forced to pick today I'd stay relatively close to early consensus with Fornette, Cook, Williams (if available), then Chubb assuming McCaff is gone at 1.6.  Rich get richer.
One thing that has amazed me is how many of you have been able to trade for multiple 2017 first rounders. In my dynasty leagues those picks have been near unattainable, especially the very high ones. Kudos to those who have been able to pry them loose.

 
One thing that has amazed me is how many of you have been able to trade for multiple 2017 first rounders. In my dynasty leagues those picks have been near unattainable, especially the very high ones. Kudos to those who have been able to pry them loose.
This wasn't an overnight process. I started two seasons ago. I didn't have to sell my soul for them either. Just timely, early moves. Now that my league mates are forced to deal with my  having 8/12 first round picks, I don't believe they will allow this to happen again. They didn't know what hit them. I'm going to clean up. 

 
This wasn't an overnight process. I started two seasons ago. I didn't have to sell my soul for them either. Just timely, early moves. Now that my league mates are forced to deal with my  having 8/12 first round picks, I don't believe they will allow this to happen again. They didn't know what hit them. I'm going to clean up. 
This is the key, having the foresight to get the picks BEFORE the hype. 2018 is going to be deep too....NOW is the time to grab a few picks!

Tex

 
This wasn't an overnight process. I started two seasons ago. I didn't have to sell my soul for them either. Just timely, early moves. Now that my league mates are forced to deal with my  having 8/12 first round picks, I don't believe they will allow this to happen again. They didn't know what hit them. I'm going to clean up. 
Hell of a job.

 
This wasn't an overnight process. I started two seasons ago. I didn't have to sell my soul for them either. Just timely, early moves. Now that my league mates are forced to deal with my  having 8/12 first round picks, I don't believe they will allow this to happen again. They didn't know what hit them. I'm going to clean up. 
You don't want to use all 8 this year do you? Would be wise to send some to the weak teams for 2018. With 8 I would even go out to 2019. Trade a late 1st round 2017 to a guy who doesn't have one and steal his early  1st rd. 2018 pick.

I have 3 this year and 2 next year. Gave up Cousins and Freeman.

 
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You don't want to use all 8 this year do you? Would be wise to send some to the weak teams for 2018. With 8 I would even go out to 2019. Trade a late 1st round 2017 to a guy who doesn't have one and steal his early  1st rd. 2018 pick.

I have 3 this year and 2 next year. Gave up Cousins and Freeman.




 
Not a bad strategy if the trade partner looks like they will have a top 3-4 pick, but otherwise i wouldn't move this years 1st's.  This RB class is absolutely stacked.  Reminds me a lot of the 2008 class where 7 RB's went in the top 55 picks.  All those guys carried huge value at one time or another.


2008


1


1


4


4


Darren McFadden


Raiders


Arkansas


 


2


1


13


13


Jonathan Stewart


Panthers


Oregon


 


3


1


22


22


Felix Jones


Cowboys


Arkansas


 


4


1


23


23


Rashard Mendenhall


Steelers


Illinois


 


5


1


24


24


Chris Johnson


Titans


East Carolina


 


6


2


13


44


Matt Forte


Bears


Tulane


 


7


2


24


55


Ray Rice


Ravens


Rutgers

 
Not a bad strategy if the trade partner looks like they will have a top 3-4 pick, but otherwise i wouldn't move this years 1st's.  This RB class is absolutely stacked.  Reminds me a lot of the 2008 class where 7 RB's went in the top 55 picks.  All those guys carried huge value at one time or another.


2008


1


1


4


4


Darren McFadden


Raiders


Arkansas


 


2


1


13


13


Jonathan Stewart


Panthers


Oregon


 


3


1


22


22


Felix Jones


Cowboys


Arkansas


 


4


1


23


23


Rashard Mendenhall


Steelers


Illinois


 


5


1


24


24


Chris Johnson


Titans


East Carolina


 


6


2


13


44


Matt Forte


Bears


Tulane


 


7


2


24


55


Ray Rice


Ravens


Rutgers
I have thought about it. I definitely plan to test the market once rookie fever reaches its peak. But I would not be disappointed if I had to use them all either. We will see. I am excited to hear how everyone use their picks this draft. Going to be fun.

 
Browns scout Lake Dawson has spent an "inordinate amount of time" scouting Notre Dame redshirt sophomore QB DeShone Kizer, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.
 
Dawson once starred at Notre Dame. As for Kizer, he's expected to turn pro in the next couple of weeks. It's also been reported that Cleveland may make a move for New England Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. Schefter's report includes the headline-worthy tidbit that the Browns have an "astronomical grade" on Texas A&M defensive end Myles Garrett. It's quite clear that Cleveland is keeping its options open at this point.

 
 
Source: ESPN 
Dec 12 - 1:00 PM
 
So one case was thrown out and another had the lady skip out on the charges?

Sounds like he's guilty of bad taste in women but probably not much else.

 
lod001 said:
Just needs some Brandon Marshall meds.
Brandon Marshall has put some serious work into straightening his life out.  He's the last guy one should be putting up as billboard fodder.  

 
Brandon Marshall has put some serious work into straightening his life out.  He's the last guy one should be putting up as billboard fodder.  
That's the point, guy needs whatever Marshall took to get right.

Marshall just had one woman he needed to get away from, IIRC.

 
Nobody willing to stick their neck out before the coming or draft? I don't know anything yet except that I'm a Cook homer. 
1.  Cook
2.  Mixon
3.  Fournette
4.  Williams
5.  Corey Davis
6.  Smith-Schuster
7.  Perine
8.  Chubb
9.  McCaffrey
10.  Bucky Hodges
11.  Foreman
12.  John Ross

All my leagues are IDP;  I left them out because that's a minority but I put Reuben Foster at 10 in those. 

Chubb is probably #4 to me but if we were drafting today I couldn't take that risk.

McCaffrey is the one guy in my tier 1 that could end up jumping based on situation. 

Mixon has a lot of risk with the DV exposure that may scare teams away or even keep him in school another year. 

I also love Gallman as a bargain guy.  Every time I watch that guy he looks good.  I grabbed a bunch of 2nd's this year to catch the fallout from a deep round 1 and I expect to target him there in all of them.
 

 
1.  Cook
2.  Mixon
3.  Fournette
4.  Williams
5.  Corey Davis
6.  Smith-Schuster
7.  Perine
8.  Chubb
9.  McCaffrey
10.  Bucky Hodges
11.  Foreman
12.  John Ross

All my leagues are IDP;  I left them out because that's a minority but I put Reuben Foster at 10 in those. 

Chubb is probably #4 to me but if we were drafting today I couldn't take that risk.

McCaffrey is the one guy in my tier 1 that could end up jumping based on situation. 

Mixon has a lot of risk with the DV exposure that may scare teams away or even keep him in school another year. 

I also love Gallman as a bargain guy.  Every time I watch that guy he looks good.  I grabbed a bunch of 2nd's this year to catch the fallout from a deep round 1 and I expect to target him there in all of them.
 
Can't really argue with this. I would add Courtland Sutton. Pretty sure he declares. Isaiah Ford possibly as well. RB, WR and TE are all deep. TE is the deepest I've ever seen.

 
Sutton is intriguing and I wanted to add Dupre too.  I didn't see Sutton play at all so will have to try to catch up on that.  I do like Ford and nearly had him 12 over Ross.  TE is too situation dependent for me to rank yet, I'm very glad I don't play in any leagues that draft before the NFL draft is complete, but yeah it could be a really exciting group.

 

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