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[Dynasty] 2017 Draft Prospects (1 Viewer)
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Hankmoody
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
As Herm Edwards said, you play to win the game. So I am not sure I agree with your strategy to not win this season. I do think every team has a shot as long as you give yourself a chance to win this year.
If you are employing a strategy where you hope your team will be strong in upcoming seasons than this one, then do not invest in RB. Build up the rest of your team at WR and QB until those positions are good, then start looking at RBs to finish your team. If you load up on a bunch of RB and don't trade them away, your RB may be injured or replaced by the time your WR and QB are ready to help you compete.
Brandon Will
Footballguy
I mean, in a 20 team league, my plan isn't to win/compete after 1 rookie draft. I need to fill positions with youth and top talent. One team has Carr, DJ, Demarco, ODB, Hopkins, Demarius and Jordan Reed.
I'm sitting on Derrick Henry, Martavis Bryant, Pryor, Robby Anderson, Patterson and picks 1,2,6,7,13 this year. My team won't compete with the team above in 1 year of drafting.
From looking at past drafts, most higher 1st round draft pick's at the WR position ended up pretty good. (Cooper, Evans, Watkins, AJG, Julio etc) Then of course there were the ones who busted. (Mostly speedsters) If Williams or Davis can produce near any of the above, I wasn't sure if they're comparible to Fournette/Cook in terms of talent. Then in the case I take a WR, it would allow me to take a 2nd/3rd round RB who goes to a team in need of RB at the 6,7 position.
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Soap
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Not sure I ever understand starting a season thinking "I don't want to win"... you never know which players might catch fire and put you in a position to make a run.Brandon Will said:
That said, I'd probably be looking to trade away Pryor (I think someone will overpay for him) and Patterson (if anyone will pay for him).
Draft wise, if you're not looking to take Fournette and Cook, I'd probably look to trade back. Maybe someone would give up 1.3 and another pick for your 1.2?
I think your reasoning is sound and I'm someone who is not ruling out one of those WR's at 1.1 or 1.2 but only if they are my highest rated player. I learned my lesson in 2014 and don't want to make mistake again. That was of course the bonanza WR draft and I went Sankey at 3 based purely on need even thought I was not a big fan and similar to your thought process I thought I could get a WR later.
I think if it's close it's wise to factor in position need but only if it's essentially a tie breaker between two players you have almost rated equal. Take BPA and if it's a RB it's not like they are hard to trade.
And yes this TE class is every bit as legit as it looks. I've said this a few times but I'll say it again. I'll never predict a class to outdo the 2011 TE class, but this will be the highest rated TE class as incoming rookies I've ever seen.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Brandon Will
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Take Fournette and Williams then take the best RBs available from Mixon, Kamara, and Foreman. Don't get cute. In a 20 team league with what you already have, if you add those four players you are absolutely a contender if not this year then next.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
There's no wrong choice between these two. In this situation I give a little more weight on experience without having the Combine or Draft yet it's close but Njoku will probably perform better when that time comes. Dude can high jump 7 feet and might run a 4.5!
Tex
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Who do you mean when you say Evans? The question was who your top 3 TE's are, but I don't think there's an Evans on anyone's radar. There's Evan Engram, there's Gerald Everett, and there's a Josh Evans from VT who is a QB, so wondered if you were thinking Hodges but misspoke?
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
spider321
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Product of the system. They would probably suck on another team. Welker wasn't a star with Miami.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
spider321
Footballguy
Soooo proving with their play that they should have been drafted in the top 50 is outweighed by the fact that they weren't?
Is that really your position?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
yes.......
really that hard......even if they let teams re-draft those drafts they were in....not top50 players.....unless brady and belicheck come too.................
There is no world, and no result from one game where Hogan is EVER a guy who should have been drafted in the top 50.
What this means is that the NE staff is head and shoulders above most of the rest of the league. They should be embarrassed that they are so incompetent. ATL is doing the same right now. Taylor Gabriel was wanted by no one and now he's a serious weapon. We saw hat NE was able to do with Moss. Imagine how good they would be with game changing WRs. They just have to be smart. Chad Johnson was way to dumb to play on the team and he proved it.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The whole organization is. It starts with having perhaps the best owner in the league and proceeds from there.
steelers1080
Footballguy
I see your point. But the person in my league who finished last in 2015 got Zeke this year and finished 2nd. So teams can turn around 100% in 1 year. IMO your best bet would be to trade the #2 pick for 3 or 4 if you are ok with 1 of the WRs. But what will probably happen will be that 2 of the top 4 will go to much better situations than the others. Then I would take those top 2. Maybe try and trade 7 or 13 for a pretty good older QB. But if you got Fournette, Williams, Mixon, Kamara and Njoku, you could end up being pretty damned good next year.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Where are you guys at on John Ross? As far as I can tell there's no thread for him here. He keeps getting mocked to the Bucs incessantly. "DeSean Jackson clone" seems to be the description I read the most.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Floor = DeSean Jackson
Ceiling = Antonio Brown lite
I've read he could be a better pro than Brandin Cooks.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
High praise. Speed is clearly legitimate.
He doesn't look like he enjoys contact all that much though, but that could just be a size thing, and may not be a huge concern unless you intended on sending him over the middle of the field on crossing routes. DeSean doesn't like getting hit either.
Cooks seems bulkier to me. I don't think Ross will hold up to any kind of pounding.
Tampa surely needs weapons and getting someone with 4.3 speed on the outside couldn't hurt.
He's so good, I would take him if the Bucs drafted him.
He's ####### fast. We will have to see what Ross measures at the combine. If he comes in 5'11, 190 like he's listed at, that's fine.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I think people underestimate how high of praise it is to say that Desean is a guy's "floor".
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
He will be lucky to be half as good as desean. The problem the little fast guys face is can they beat the press in the nfl.......
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Right. Desean isn't just Will Fuller with hands, or something...he tracks the ball better than the vast majority of the league and is a technician catching along the sideline. Its easy to under-appreciate him if you only see his scoring highlights but he's got something special.
Is he soft? Yeah, sometimes. Is he questionable in the locker room? I don't really think so, he's been in Washington for a while now and not a peep, even when he's not getting targets and we're losing. No off field trouble. He's not a perfect prospect even for his size, but he's up there, as far as deep threats go.
I'm pretty sure he's only (and barely) behind Jerry Rice in catches of 60+ yards in his career. That's incredible. He's arguably one of the best deep threats in the history of the NFL and you could also argue he's been criminally underutilized, even though the DPI's he pulls for his teams don't show up in his stats.
So yeah, Desean as a "floor" would be incredible. Almost any team would spend a high 1st on that. And I'm talking production and skillset here.
I'd say Kenny Stills might be a better contemporary comp. Or at least a more realistic one.
Is he soft? Yeah, sometimes. Is he questionable in the locker room? I don't really think so, he's been in Washington for a while now and not a peep, even when he's not getting targets and we're losing. No off field trouble. He's not a perfect prospect even for his size, but he's up there, as far as deep threats go.
I'm pretty sure he's only (and barely) behind Jerry Rice in catches of 60+ yards in his career. That's incredible. He's arguably one of the best deep threats in the history of the NFL and you could also argue he's been criminally underutilized, even though the DPI's he pulls for his teams don't show up in his stats.
So yeah, Desean as a "floor" would be incredible. Almost any team would spend a high 1st on that. And I'm talking production and skillset here.
I'd say Kenny Stills might be a better contemporary comp. Or at least a more realistic one.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
This is what bothered me about Ross against Alabama. He also looked quite skittish after getting hit early.
Something Tampa has done recently though is grab a guy in free agency, and then draft a very similar guy early. Grimes/Hargreaves. Ayers/Spence. Jackson/Ross?
Cooks is the player comp I gave Ross. Most have been saying DJAX as player comp but he's thicker built. Dede Westbrook fits more in the DJAX comp for me.
But I would say floor is lower than DJAX for both Ross and Westbrook. Floor for both is Dorsett, meaning they both could suck until proven otherwise.
