Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I was watching some 'film' this weekend and fell in love with Perine. Man, he looks good to me. Looks like a faster Jordan Howard.
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[Dynasty] 2017 Draft Prospects (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Faust
MVP
graywolfe81
Footballguy
As was mentioned earlier. None of those moves would do it. Ingram will be 28 at the end of '17, and supposedly really annoyed the hell out of Saints brass w/his act down the stretch, add in the fact that Sean Payton may leave soon, and Brees will retire soon, and it would not surprise at all if the Saints drafted an RB this year to push him (along with Lasco who should be fully recovered from the injuries that ruined his last year at Cal). Lacy carries little to no value now that he's a FA and supposedly teams are luke warm in terms of interest due to the "fat" issue and him not being able to produce consistently or stay healthy in GB, and Cobb's stock has declined sharply the past two years.
If you want to get into the top 2 you'll need to give the owner interesting pick combinations. I saw the 1.1 in a DLF article go for the 1.4 and 1.6, but I don't see that combo actually getting it done, I think it would require more of most 1.1 owners. If I didnt have a specific positional need, I'd probably deal the 1.2 for the 1.4 an '18 1st (if I knew it was from a likely non-playoff team) and another pick (I'd toss in a lower give back pick for balance). In terms of players, that's more difficult to ascertain, maybe something like 1.4, a '17 2nd, and Prosise for the 1.2 would make me think about it, but the tenuous grasp he has on the job would probably make me pass. Difficult to really figure out a way to do it, but it's worth coming up with combo's if you need an RB and aren't happy with a WR at 1.4.
Dan Hindery
Moderator
Here's my early top 50 rookies for PPR:
1
Fournette, Leonard
2
Cook, Dalvin
3
Williams, Mike
4
Davis, Corey
5
Ross, John
6
Mixon, Joe
7
McCaffrey, Christian
8
Kamara, Alvin
9
Howard, OJ
10
Smith-Schuster, Juju
11
Foreman, D'onta
12
Ford, Isaiah
13
Njoku, David
14
Hunt, Kareem
15
Engram, Evan
16
Henderson, Carlos
17
Jones, Zay
18
Hansen, Chad
19
Kupp, Cooper
20
Williams, Jamaal
21
Perine, Samaje
22
Godwin, Chris
23
Samuel, Curtis
24
Mack, Marlon
25
Westbrook, Dede
26
Dupre, Malachi
27
Gallman, Wayne
28
McNichols, Jeremy
29
Watson, Deshaun
30
Hodges, Bucky
31
Butt, Jake
32
Taylor, Taywan
33
Cannon, KD
34
Stewart, Ardarius
35
Kizer, DeShone
36
Mahomes, Patrick
37
Darboh, Amara
38
Brown, Noah
39
Leggett, Jordan
40
Everett, Gerald
41
Clement, Corey
42
Hood, Elijah
43
McGuire, Elijah
44
Conner, James
45
Trubisky, Mitch
46
Sprinkle, Jeremy
47
Rudolph, Travis
48
Dural, Travin
49
Hill, Brian
50
Malone, Josh
FUBAR
Footballguy
Butt seems low. that has to be injury concerns. It's probably just hype but this draft seems really strong through three rounds (pick 36).
garlicduck
Footballguy
Two words... Josh Reynolds! He needs to be on any list. I guess I just gave everyone my sleeper.
Other than that, really great list Dan.
Relative to where he has other TE's ranked, which overall is a bit low for me, and his injury I think it's where he should be. And TE's just keep falling out of the sky, like this guy out of no where: Adam Shaheen highlights I can't help but wonder if at some point that drops a lot of them down a little just because there will be so many to choose from later.
Agree with you completely on depth of the draft and to be honest near the end of the college football season I started to question if this draft was quite as deep as I had originally expected but it keeps growing on me.
Great job on the list by the way Dan. As with your overall player list you've put out the best dynasty info I've seen on this site in a long time and while I'll always have things I don't agree both of those lists were as good as anything I've seen.
graywolfe81
Footballguy
He fell for three reasons: #1 he had a disappointing senior year #2 there were an absolute ton of coke rumors going around at the time and #3 teams were idiots.
Going into his senior year he and Elway were neck and neck on boards, but his #'s fell dramatically, and as Covert mentioned in the 30 for 30 doc, coke rumors were so extensive that even he was being asked if Marino was a coke head in individual interviews, move the clock forward 12 years and you have the same thing happening to Sapp, except with weed. Sapp was the Consensus #1 overall on everybody's boards in Feb 1995, but by the draft in April he tumbled all the way out of the top 10 to 12th, which ended up being an epic steal for the Bucs. How much of the rumors were teams just sending out smoke screen rumorsto get him to fall to them, and how much was genuine panic like last year is up to debate, but in all three cases, the vast bulk of the teams picking before Marino, Sapp, and Tunsil were selected made catastrophically stupid decisions, particularly San Diego, Seattle, Philadelphia, Detroit, Kansas City, New England, NYJ, San Diego, Dallas, and most famously Pittsburgh, and LA, where both the Steelers and Raiders GM's picked against their owners wishes, and it was a rare instance in which the owner was smarter than the GM. Just as those teams all botched Marino (and many more) another 10 or so botched Sapp and Tunsil 20+ and 10+ years afterwards.
It just happens.
I don't think Marino fits your example, but as last year proved, teams often panic when new information hits on a player on draft day, or rumors swirl, see those examples and even La'El Collins in '15.
mikel2014
Footballguy
Good looking list. KD Cannon and Samaje Perine are my personal picks of "they're too low" from this. I'm a little surprised by general "meh" around Cannon. I'm not saying he will be that caliber of NFL player, but he reminds me of a taller TY Hilton. Solid production, big enough, should perform well at the combine in speed/agility measures, etc. He's just below Isaiah Ford on my list.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Yeah, he'll be lucky to be drafted. He's fallen further than any non-injured player I've ever seen.
Tex
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Melvin Gordon had a break out year too. he is still risky though.
And Barkley is waiting in the wings...
BIG10 RBs are just fine. as are USC wrs
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I refuse to look at prospects this way, but USC WRs have had a terrible run I'll admit.
spider321
Footballguy
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
He likes Kamara and disagrees with your take, obviously.
For the record, I'm with you on Kamara.
I've been dubious about not only USC WR's but Pac 10 WR's in general translating their stats to the NFL. I mean as near as I can recall the best fantasy WR to come out the Pac 10 in last 5-10 years is Baldwin and he did not even get drafted. Cooks has done second most, followed by Allen and then I'm thinking off top of my head Marvin Jones is next. Maybe I'm forgetting someone, but that's not impressive and what's more only one got selected in top 2 rounds.
But here is the problem I see with not liking a WR from USC or say a RB from Alabama. If you are a WR or RB for one of those teams it means you were likely a heavily recruited blue chip prospect, maybe one of most sought after players at your position. It's not like you are some lightly recruited scrub who just happened to find success in a great system. I find it hard to put any confidence in a philosophy which would basically be saying that despite this player being a blue chip recruit that because he went to one of those schools he's less suited for the NFL then had he gone to a school with more success at the pro level at that position.
I think what it does is just make you take a second look and for me try and not get wrapped up in the stats as much with these players but I can't dismiss them because of where they chose to go to college. So I'm saying yes I'd be more impressed with John Ross or JuJuo on a stat level if they did it in the SEC, but does mean I'm writing them off either.
But while on topic of SEC. I'm a big SEC believer, when you perform well against them, especially some of these LSU and Alabama and last year Florida defenses that are filled with NFL talent it does mean more to me and it does influence me. And for most part the SEC WR's have been excellent. But I'm someone who did have a Big10 RB bias to some degree but the reality is the Big 10 RB's seem to be by and large doing better than the SEC RB's.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
going back aways but Keyshawn and Lynn Swann?
things change fast in the NFL...much like the BIG10 RB argument, things change over time...I cant really recall anyone from USC with giant hype....
garlicduck
Footballguy
Mike Williams - one of the biggest busts ever. The #10 overall pick in 2005 draft (Matt Millen special).
To a lesser extent Marquise Lee, a 2nd round pick in 2014...after 2 mediocre seasons looked a little better this year.
Also, Nelson Agholar, a #1 pick (20 overall and a Chip Kelly special in 2015) has been very disappointing
Robert Woods, a 2nd-round pick in 2013 has also been disappointing.
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
He's a JAG! I don't see were the hype is coming from. Thought I made a mistake and I went back to the drawing board and NOPE is not that good! He run through holes so big that the first people who touch him are the ones who catches him from behind. His long speed sucks not sure why so many are fooled by him.
Tex
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