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[DYNASTY] Early Positional Outlook - Rookie Drafts (1 Viewer)

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So, I am putting together the first edition of the rookie 100 for 2006. I am still tweaking the rankings to reflect my gut feelings and all star game/practice performances. I hope to get the first top 100 out sometime next week - for now, I figured I'd share my early thoughts on the position by position outlook for anyone obsessed enough to be planning a rookie draft strategy, or those with early drafts. Of course, the combine, pro days, and the draft will blow a lot of this up...

QB - Matt Leinart and Vince Young are rock solid first round picks. The #5 should guarantee you one of them. Jay Cutler should be a late first/early second depending on the needs of the teams picking in the 7-10 range. Omar Jacobs is the only other prospect that will definitely get a shot to start down the line - he should be a mid-late 2nd round rookie pick, and has nearly the same upside (tools-wise) as the big 3 QBs. After those 4, the outlook is very bleak. I like Reggie McNeal and Brad Smith, but mainly because of their possible value at other positions. They should be picked in the 40s or 50s. Pinegar and Gradkowski are very solid, but not overwhelming from a talent standpoint - again 40s or 50s. Whitehurst should also sneak in there because he looks the part, although I worry about his inconsistency. There are any number of guys worth fliers in the 50-100 range depending on who stands out to you, but its a very underwhelming group after the top 4. If you're looking for help at QB, the #5 pick is the place to be. If you really want Young or Leinart and they go at #4, you get Maroney, who can probably be traded for any number of good fantasy QBs.

RB - There is a clear big 3 that should be the top 3 in every draft - Reggie Bush, DeAngelo Williams, and LenDale White. I think Lawrence Maroney should be 4th, but some will differ. Brian Calhoun will go in the 5-10 range, and Joseph Addai should go in the 10-15 range. If you want Maurice Drew or Jerome Harrison, you might have to have a pick in the 10-15 range also, because someone will reach for them. After that, you have a lot of RBs of different shapes, sizes, and styles. Everyone will have a favorite, and an RB that goes in the mid 20s in one draft could last til the 40s or 50s in another. Washington, Henderson, Bell, Hall, Norwood, Howard, Humes, Moore, Whitehead, Daniels - they all bring something interesting to the table. At least one or two of these guys will end up being huge steals in the 3rd/4th round of rookie drafts. Draft destination will do more to sort these guys out than at any other position.

WR - Brutal. Just Brutal. Santonio Holmes is legit and should go in the top 10 in every draft. Like the QBs, depending on the needs of the teams in your leagues top 10, you might have to be at #5 to be assured of getting him. After that, there are lots of WRs with the tools to succeed, but none as sure as Holmes. I like Sinorice Moss and Demetrius Williams as early/mid 2nd rounders. The size/speed guys like Jon Orr, Todd Watkins, and Chad Jackson should go in the teens or early/mid 20s. I also like Greg Lee and Brandon Marshall (my #1 sleeper at WR) in the late 20s. There are lots of other solid WRs, but they are not guys that look especially good for fantasy - more dependable types like Mike Hass, Derek Hagan, Jason Avant, and interesting big WRs that arent necessarily gamebreakers like Maurice Stovall, Hank Baskett, and Martin Nance. There are also some other very good sleepers, such as Marques Colston, Travis Wilson and Greg Jennings. All in all, there should be many more solid WR prospects than you're used to seeing on the board into the 40s and 50s.

TE - This is one of the best classes of pass catching TEs the draft has ever seen. Vernon Davis and Marcedes Lewis should be top 10 picks, and both seem destined to be stalwart starting fantasy TEs, with a shot be in that Gonzo/Gates/Shockey tier. The 6-8 range is a great place to be if you want one of these guys. Dominique Byrd is another one of my favorites in this draft, and he could go anywhere from late first to mid 2nd. His ability to make plays downfield is right there with Davis and Lewis. Leonard Pope could go in the teens, but i dont seem him as athletically gifted as a receiver as the top 3. There are at least 3 other players that should be solid fantasy TEs - David Thomas, Tim Day, and Joel Klopfenstein - these guys look like great value picks once you get in the 40s/50s, but their upside is limited compared to the top 4. Another one of my sleepers is Garrett Mills, who is a gifted pass catcher, but is currently getting moved to FB. I highly recommend looking at Mills once you get in the 50s.

DE - Mario Williams looks like an impact DE, and Tamba Hali has the motor to rack up tackles despite no real elite tools. Mathias Kiwanuka has the profile of a sack artist, but he might not rack up tackles in run support (thanks TICK) I see Williams in the late 30s/40s and Hali/Kiwanuka in the 50s. Elvis Dumervil, Darryl Tapp, and Eric Henderson are interesting late round flier picks for leagues that weight sacks (3x or more points than tackles), but Williams and Hali are the guys you need to know here.

DT - Brodrick Bunkley has the right set of skills to be a starting DT for fantasy - the burst and strength to get in the backfield consistently and motor to get some tackles in pursuit. He's a guy to look at once you get in garbage time picks. I don't see any other DTs worth drafting - Watson and Ngata will be gap cloggers and probably not rack up stats in the NFL. In even the deepest of leagues, startable DTs are on the waiver wire. I do not recommend using picks on them.

LB - There are 4 truly elite LBs for fantasy in this draft - A.J. Hawk, Chad Greenway, Abdul Hodge, and DQwell Jackson. Hodge (thumper like Thurman) and Jackson (QB of the D like Tatupu) will be solid MLBs (the fantasy gold position for IDP leagues) at worst, with top 10 upside. Hawk will be a terror no matter where he lines up, and Greenway looks like a top WLB in the making with his speed and size. None of these 4 should last past 25 in rookie drafts. I could see Hawk in the 12-18 range, and the rest in the 15-25 range. Ernie Sims and Demeco Ryans should be the next guys off the board at LB, along with MLB size/speed prospect Kai Parham, and hardnosed MLB Freddie Roach. All of these guys are solid picks in the 25-35 range if you're looking to reload at LB. After that, there are all kinds of athletic OLB types and solid MLB prospects to be had. This is a deeeeeep draft at LB, and this is good news if you need help there - solid LB prospects should be on the board well into the 60s and 70s.

DB - I see Darnell Bing as the stud DB of this rookie draft. he's got the skills to be a do everything safety. he should go in the 30s-40s. Ko Simpson is another elite safety prospect that should be gone sometime in the 40s. Michael Huff and Jimmy Williams could be FS, could be CB, I dont know - its really hard to gauge their fantasy impact without seeing where they end up. I would take them in the 50s right now. There some other solid SS prospects, better than any in the 05 draft, to be had in the 50s and later. Guys like Greg Blue, Dwayne Slay (either of which could be moved to LB a la Thomas Davis), Bernard Pollard, and Daniel Bullocks are all worth looking at in the later rounds if you need help at safety. Roman Harper, Donte Whitner, Calvin Lowry and Pat Watkins are also solid prospects and are all worth late round fliers. This is much much better year for safety prospects than last year. Like LB, good news for you if you're looking to reload. I dont think any CB is worth drafting this year, except possibly Antonio Cromartie if he checks out physically, and maybe Alan Zemaitis. I like them because they are physical and big enough to rack up tackles in the running game. The other top CBs are more straight cover guys, although they will be startable when they get picked on unmercifully in their first years as starters. Of course, Huff and Williams are draftable at CB if they are moved there by their team. In even the deepest of leagues, startable CBs are on the waiver wire. I do not recommend using picks on them, unless you see them becoming truly elite (top 5-10)

Hope this helps! :thumbup:

 
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So, I am putting together the first edition of the rookie 100 for 2006. I am still tweaking the rankings to reflect my gut feelings and all star game/practice performances. I hope to get the first top 100 out sometime next week - for now, I figured I'd share my early thoughts on the position by position outlook for anyone obsessed enough to be planning a rookie draft strategy, or those with early drafts. Of course, the combine, pro days, and the draft will blow a lot of this up...

QB - Matt Leinart and Vince Young are rock solid first round picks. The #5 should guarantee you one of them. Jay Cutler should be a late first/early second depending on the needs of the teams picking in the 7-10 range. Omar Jacobs is the only other prospect that will definitely get a shot to start down the line - he should be a mid-late 2nd round rookie pick, and has nearly the same upside (tools-wise) as the big 3 QBs. After those 4, the outlook is very bleak. I like Reggie McNeal and Brad Smith, but mainly because of their possible value at other positions. They should be picked in the 40s or 50s. Pinegar and Gradkowski are very solid, but not overwhelming from a talent standpoint - again 40s or 50s. Whitehurst should also sneak in there because he looks the part, although I worry about his inconsistency. There are any number of guys worth fliers in the 50-100 range depending on who stands out to you, but its a very underwhelming group after the top 4. If you're looking for help at QB, the #5 pick is the place to be. If you really want Young or Leinart and they go at #4, you get Maroney, who can probably be traded for any number of good fantasy QBs.

RB - There is a clear big 3 that should be the top 3 in every draft - Reggie Bush, DeAngelo Williams, and LenDale White. I think Lawrence Maroney should be 4th, but some will differ. Brian Calhoun will go in the 5-10 range, and Joseph Addai should go in the 10-15 range. If you want Maurice Drew or Jerome Harrison, you might have to have a pick in the 10-15 range also, because someone will reach for them. After that, you have a lot of RBs of different shapes, sizes, and styles. Everyone will have a favorite, and an RB that goes in the mid 20s in one draft could last til the 40s or 50s in another. Washington, Henderson, Bell, Hall, Norwood, Howard, Humes, Moore, Whitehead, Daniels - they all bring something interesting to the table. At least one or two of these guys will end up being huge steals in the 3rd/4th round of rookie drafts. Draft destination will do more to sort these guys out than at any other position.

WR - Brutal. Just Brutal. Santonio Holmes is legit and should go in the top 10 in every draft. Like the QBs, depending on the needs of the teams in your leagues top 10, you might have to be at #5 to be assured of getting him. After that, there are lots of WRs with the tools to succeed, but none as sure as Holmes. I like Sinorice Moss and Demetrius Williams as early/mid 2nd rounders. The size/speed guys like Jon Orr, Todd Watkins, and Chad Jackson should go in the teens or early/mid 20s. I also like Greg Lee and Brandon Marshall (my #1 sleeper at WR) in the late 20s. There are lots of other solid WRs, but they are not guys that look especially good for fantasy - more dependable types like Mike Hass, Derek Hagan, Jason Avant, and interesting big WRs that arent necessarily gamebreakers like Maurice Stovall, Hank Baskett, and Martin Nance. There are also some other very good sleepers, such as Marques Colston, Travis Wilson and Greg Jennings. All in all, there should be many more solid WR prospects than you're used to seeing on the board into the 40s and 50s.

TE - This is one of the best classes of pass catching TEs the draft has ever seen. Vernon Davis and Marcedes Lewis should be top 10 picks, and both seem destined to be stalwart starting fantasy TEs, with a shot be in that Gonzo/Gates/Shockey tier. The 6-8 range is a great place to be if you want one of these guys. Dominique Byrd is another one of my favorites in this draft, and he could go anywhere from late first to mid 2nd. His ability to make plays downfield is right there with Davis and Lewis. Leonard Pope could go in the teens, but i dont seem him as athletically gifted as a receiver as the top 3. There are at least 3 other players that should be solid fantasy TEs - David Thomas, Tim Day, and Joel Klopfenstein - these guys look like great value picks once you get in the 40s/50s, but their upside is limited compared to the top 4. Another one of my sleepers is Garrett Mills, who is a gifted pass catcher, but is currently getting moved to FB. I highly recommend looking at Mills once you get in the 50s.

DE - Mario Williams looks like an impact DE, and Tamba Hali has the motor to rack up tackles despite no real elite tools. I see Williams in the late 30s/40s and Hali in the 50s. Elvis Dumervil, Darryl Tapp, and Eric Henderson are interesting late round flier picks for leagues that weight sacks (3x or more points than tackles), but Williams and Hali are the guys you need to know here.

DT - Brodrick Bunkley has the right set of skills to be a starting DT for fantasy - the burst and strength to get in the backfield consistently and motor to get some tackles in pursuit. He's a guy to look at once you get in garbage time picks. I don't see any other DTs worth drafting - Watson and Ngata will be gap cloggers and probably not rack up stats in the NFL. In even the deepest of leagues, startable DTs are on the waiver wire. I do not recommend using picks on them.

LB - There are 4 truly elite LBs for fantasy in this draft - A.J. Hawk, Chad Greenway, Abdul Hodge, and DQwell Jackson. Hodge (thumper like Thurman) and Jackson (QB of the D like Tatupu) will be solid MLBs (the fantasy gold position for IDP leagues) at worst, with top 10 upside. Hawk will be a terror no matter where he lines up, and Greenway looks like a top WLB in the making with his speed and size. None of these 4 should last past 25 in rookie drafts. I could see Hawk in the 12-18 range, and the rest in the 15-25 range. Ernie Sims and Demeco Ryans should be the next guys off the board at LB, along with MLB size/speed prospect Kai Parham, and hardnosed MLB Freddie Roach. All of these guys are solid picks in the 25-35 range if you're looking to reload at LB. After that, there are all kinds of athletic OLB types and solid MLB prospects to be had. This is a deeeeeep draft at LB, and this is good news if you need help there - solid LB prospects should be on the board well into the 60s and 70s.

DB - I see Darnell Bing as the stud DB of this rookie draft. he's got the skills to be a do everything safety. he should go in the 30s-40s. Ko Simpson is another elite safety prospect that should be gone sometime in the 40s. Michael Huff and Jimmy Williams could be FS, could be CB, I dont know - its really hard to gauge their fantasy impact without seeing where they end up. I would take them in the 50s right now. There some other solid SS prospects, better than any in the 05 draft, to be had in the 50s and later. Guys like Greg Blue, Dwayne Slay (either of which could be moved to LB a la Thomas Davis), Bernard Pollard, and Daniel Bullocks are all worth looking at in the later rounds if you need help at safety. Roman Harper, Donte Whitner, Calvin Lowry and Pat Watkins are also solid prospects and are all worth late round fliers. This is much much better year for safety prospects than last year. Like LB, good news for you if you're looking to reload. I dont think any CB is worth drafting this year, except possibly Antonio Cromartie if he checks out physically, and maybe Alan Zemaitis. I like them because they are physical and big enough to rack up tackles in the running game. The other top CBs are more straight cover guys, although they will be startable when they get picked on unmercifully in their first years as starters. Of course, Huff and Williams are draftable at CB if they are moved there by their team. In even the deepest of leagues, startable CBs are on the waiver wire. I do not recommend using picks on them, unless you see them becoming truly elite (top 5-10)

Hope this helps! :thumbup:
Would you pick S. Holmes before Addai or Calhoun?
 
Would you pick S. Holmes before Addai or Calhoun?
definitely before Addai. Holmes vs. Calhoun is one I'm really struggling with. Probably Holmes, but I can talk myself into Calhoun over Holmes very easily.
 
Would you pick S. Holmes before Addai or Calhoun?
definitely before Addai. Holmes vs. Calhoun is one I'm really struggling with. Probably Holmes, but I can talk myself into Calhoun over Holmes very easily.
IYO, what seperates Calhoun from Addai?TIA

 
DE: Mathias Kiwanuka has to be mentioned in some way.
ah good call, I forgot about him because of the senior bowl injury. Maybe be too tall and lanky to rack up tackles in run support, but has the frame of a sack artist - should be picked in the 50s around the same time as Hali.
 
Would you pick S. Holmes before Addai or Calhoun?
definitely before Addai. Holmes vs. Calhoun is one I'm really struggling with. Probably Holmes, but I can talk myself into Calhoun over Holmes very easily.
IYO, what seperates Calhoun from Addai?TIA
SPEED + and he's already carried a full time load.
 
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Good stuff overall, but don't underestimate Marin Nance. The dude is a playmaker.
I was more impressed with Stovall watching the senior bowl practices - Nance seemed too tentative for such a big guy - of course thats just one week. The WR rankings between about 4/5 and 15-20 are a great subject of debate - that is one fat 2nd tier. situations will make almost as much difference in rankings as they will at RB. The main thing you need to know at WR is to get Brandon Marshall ;)
 
Good stuff overall, but don't underestimate Marin Nance. The dude is a playmaker.
I was more impressed with Stovall watching the senior bowl practices - Nance seemed too tentative for such a big guy - of course thats just one week. The WR rankings between about 4/5 and 15-20 are a great subject of debate - that is one fat 2nd tier. situations will make almost as much difference in rankings as they will at RB. The main thing you need to know at WR is to get Brandon Marshall ;)
True on the senior bowl practices, I just wouldn't put too much weight into them.Hopefully he drops enough in my drafts.

 
Where do you put the latest Slash convert: Robinson?I think he's a WR/RB and I'm not exactly sure where I think he'll do better.

 
As usual great stuff Bloom. Never too early to think rookie draft. With 4 picks in the first 15 picks of my dynasty rookie, I like what I am reading.Thanks bro!

 
Where do you put the latest Slash convert: Robinson?

I think he's a WR/RB and I'm not exactly sure where I think he'll do better.
garbage time picks - right now i project him a gunner/gadget play guy. I like him a lot more for real football than fantasy. Guys like Robinson and Hester are unlikely to return much imo, and shouldnt be picked until all the blue chip S/LB and sleeper WR and RB are gone. 60s or later.
 
Where do you put the latest Slash convert: Robinson?

I think he's a WR/RB and I'm not exactly sure where I think he'll do better.
garbage time picks - right now i project him a gunner/gadget play guy. I like him a lot more for real football than fantasy. Guys like Robinson and Hester are unlikely to return much imo, and shouldnt be picked until all the blue chip S/LB and sleeper WR and RB are gone. 60s or later.
Compare Robinson to Randle El. From what I saw, Robinson looked like a better QB, but that could just be the WRs were a whole lot better. Scrambling / reverses looked ok, but receiving?

 
Where do you put the latest Slash convert: Robinson?

I think he's a WR/RB and I'm not exactly sure where I think he'll do better.
garbage time picks - right now i project him a gunner/gadget play guy. I like him a lot more for real football than fantasy. Guys like Robinson and Hester are unlikely to return much imo, and shouldnt be picked until all the blue chip S/LB and sleeper WR and RB are gone. 60s or later.
Compare Robinson to Randle El. From what I saw, Robinson looked like a better QB, but that could just be the WRs were a whole lot better. Scrambling / reverses looked ok, but receiving?
ARE has way better skills after the catch, and his being a smaller, quicker guy gives him a big edge in route running. I see Robinson as a big possession type WR if he even stays there, and not starting material. His straight line running is good, but he's more a power runner, where ARE is shifty.
 
Where do you put the latest Slash convert: Robinson?

I think he's a WR/RB and I'm not exactly sure where I think he'll do better.
garbage time picks - right now i project him a gunner/gadget play guy. I like him a lot more for real football than fantasy. Guys like Robinson and Hester are unlikely to return much imo, and shouldnt be picked until all the blue chip S/LB and sleeper WR and RB are gone. 60s or later.
Compare Robinson to Randle El. From what I saw, Robinson looked like a better QB, but that could just be the WRs were a whole lot better. Scrambling / reverses looked ok, but receiving?
Just throwing this out there for others to enlighten me on Robinson.How's he compare vs., say, Matt Jones?

 
The thing that intrigues me about him is that he has played some RB & WR at Penn State. He's way below the radar, but he absolutely screams "replacement for Randle- El" to me:Already experienced a bit at RB/QB/WR.Willing to return kicks.Athletic.Coachable.Note that while I am from PA, I'm not a big college football fan. I've seen some games of his, and he's intriguing. Not sure that he's Matt Jones intriguing, but interesting at least.

 
RB - After that, you have a lot of RBs of different shapes, sizes, and styles.

WR - Brutal. Just Brutal. Santonio Holmes

Chad Jackson should go in the teens or early/mid 20s.

Brandon Marshall (my #1 sleeper at WR) in the late 20s.

Mike Hass...

TE - This is one of the best classes of pass catching TEs the draft has ever seen.

DT - Brodrick Bunkley has the right set of skills to be a starting DT for fantasy

LB -This is a deeeeeep draft at LB...
RB - I think you may have discovered something in DeArrious Howard (sp?). I've been checking him out a little, and the guy has real potential. Just keeping his name out there in the late late sleeper category. He expects to run 4.45 or better. If so, his stock will rise.WR - It really looks brutal. I keep seeking someone to be better than Holmes. Like Baskett last month. That looks like a bad idea. My new flavor of the month is Chad Jackson. He is having some very impressive workouts training for the Combine. Pretty solid guy. If Holmes is the best of this lot, then brutal isn't insulting enough. I agree completely with Marshall as a super sleeper. So much, that I intend on reaching a little for him. He's the only WR I expect to add, and that's because I think he'll be very cheap and worth a look. Maybe Hass for the same reasons.

TE - I'm starting to wonder if this group isn't a bunch of hype. Great college players, but Troupe/Watson etc., is all we'll get. In other words, no Gates Gonzo Shockeys in the crowd, but some interesting players to bring aboard. Just a thought.

DT - Wroten probably deserves honorable mention for fantasy skillset at DT.

LB - Very very deep, and I can't see how any one can rank them for fantasy purposes after Hawk (though I admire your efforts). Hawk, I would put in my top 10 dynasty players if I was including IDPs in the other thread. I'm currently trying to trade Vilma to move up in the first round. I'm confident that I'll be able to find a couple solid LBs in this draft-- Hawk being my priority, then keep the ear to the ground during training camp.

 
DE: Mathias Kiwanuka has to be mentioned in some way.
ah good call, I forgot about him because of the senior bowl injury. Maybe be too tall and lanky to rack up tackles in run support, but has the frame of a sack artist - should be picked in the 50s around the same time as Hali.
I'm avoiding Kiwi. I don't see Lawson mentioned at DE or LB. He's going to be good. For fantasy purposes, I like him better than Hali. I like Hali and Tapp about the same though. Lawson really does have that Merriman/Ware thing going.

 
Where do you put the latest Slash convert: Robinson?

I think he's a WR/RB and I'm not exactly sure where I think he'll do better.
garbage time picks - right now i project him a gunner/gadget play guy. I like him a lot more for real football than fantasy. Guys like Robinson and Hester are unlikely to return much imo, and shouldnt be picked until all the blue chip S/LB and sleeper WR and RB are gone. 60s or later.
Compare Robinson to Randle El. From what I saw, Robinson looked like a better QB, but that could just be the WRs were a whole lot better. Scrambling / reverses looked ok, but receiving?
ARE has way better skills after the catch, and his being a smaller, quicker guy gives him a big edge in route running. I see Robinson as a big possession type WR if he even stays there, and not starting material. His straight line running is good, but he's more a power runner, where ARE is shifty.
I wonder if anyone has considered moving Robinson to the other side of the ball. With his size/speed/smarts, I could easily see him as a ball hawking safety.
 
Nice bloom. I think that C.Jackson, WR should be much higher than you place him though. I think he is the best WR in this class and will be able to seperate himself from what is weak competition.

 
:goodposting: , but I'm convinced to never draft a rookie WR (starting in 2006), since it usually takes a few years for them to develop. In dynasty leagues I find it easier to steal WRs away from owners who give up on them after a couple years, just as they are about to break out :D No sense taking up a roster spot in shallow leagues for a rookie WR, IMO.
 
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How much of a different prospect is Whitehurst from Carson Palmer prior to his senior year?

 
For fantasy purposes, I'm looking at:QB: YoungRB: Bush, Williams, White, Harrison, NorwoodWR: Jackson, MarshallTE: Davis, ByrdDL: Williams, Hali, BuckleyLB: Hawk, Greenway, SimsDB: Huff, Bing, SimpsonJMHO

 
I wonder if anyone has considered moving Robinson to the other side of the ball. With his size/speed/smarts, I could easily see him as a ball hawking safety.
I saw someone (Kiper maybe) saying they thought he fit best as a safety. It doesn't seem like that's worked out very well in the past, though - the Nebraska guys got shots there but didn't stick.
 
I wonder if anyone has considered moving Robinson to the other side of the ball. With his size/speed/smarts, I could easily see him as a ball hawking safety.
I saw someone (Kiper maybe) saying they thought he fit best as a safety. It doesn't seem like that's worked out very well in the past, though - the Nebraska guys got shots there but didn't stick.
I could be wrong, but I don't think any of them were as big as Robinson though.The kid sure has skills, I'm just not sure he has found his best position yet.

 
I wonder if anyone has considered moving Robinson to the other side of the ball.  With his size/speed/smarts, I could easily see him as a ball hawking safety.
I saw someone (Kiper maybe) saying they thought he fit best as a safety. It doesn't seem like that's worked out very well in the past, though - the Nebraska guys got shots there but didn't stick.
Marcus Randall has stuck and he's more of a similar body type to robinson than the nebraska guys are.
 
Hey Bloom,

No Brodie Croyle?

EDIT: Anthony Fasano seems to be missing also.
Im real down on Croyle. Fasano is a first day NFL pick, but i dont see him as a great pass catcher - think anthony becht-ish. both are 75-100 picks on my board.
 
Where do you put the latest Slash convert: Robinson?

I think he's a WR/RB and I'm not exactly sure where I think he'll do better.
garbage time picks - right now i project him a gunner/gadget play guy. I like him a lot more for real football than fantasy. Guys like Robinson and Hester are unlikely to return much imo, and shouldnt be picked until all the blue chip S/LB and sleeper WR and RB are gone. 60s or later.
Compare Robinson to Randle El. From what I saw, Robinson looked like a better QB, but that could just be the WRs were a whole lot better. Scrambling / reverses looked ok, but receiving?
Just throwing this out there for others to enlighten me on Robinson.How's he compare vs., say, Matt Jones?
just forget about matt jones in the world of QB to WR converts. he has ridiculous hands on a ridiculous size/speed package. a complete freak that will likely not be duplicated.
 
RB - After that, you have a lot of RBs of different shapes, sizes, and styles.

WR - Brutal. Just Brutal. Santonio Holmes

Chad Jackson should go in the teens or early/mid 20s.

Brandon Marshall (my #1 sleeper at WR) in the late 20s.

Mike Hass...

TE - This is one of the best classes of pass catching TEs the draft has ever seen.

DT - Brodrick Bunkley has the right set of skills to be a starting DT for fantasy

LB -This is a deeeeeep draft at LB...
RB - I think you may have discovered something in DeArrious Howard (sp?). I've been checking him out a little, and the guy has real potential. Just keeping his name out there in the late late sleeper category. He expects to run 4.45 or better. If so, his stock will rise.WR - It really looks brutal. I keep seeking someone to be better than Holmes. Like Baskett last month. That looks like a bad idea. My new flavor of the month is Chad Jackson. He is having some very impressive workouts training for the Combine. Pretty solid guy. If Holmes is the best of this lot, then brutal isn't insulting enough. I agree completely with Marshall as a super sleeper. So much, that I intend on reaching a little for him. He's the only WR I expect to add, and that's because I think he'll be very cheap and worth a look. Maybe Hass for the same reasons.

TE - I'm starting to wonder if this group isn't a bunch of hype. Great college players, but Troupe/Watson etc., is all we'll get. In other words, no Gates Gonzo Shockeys in the crowd, but some interesting players to bring aboard. Just a thought.

DT - Wroten probably deserves honorable mention for fantasy skillset at DT.

LB - Very very deep, and I can't see how any one can rank them for fantasy purposes after Hawk (though I admire your efforts). Hawk, I would put in my top 10 dynasty players if I was including IDPs in the other thread. I'm currently trying to trade Vilma to move up in the first round. I'm confident that I'll be able to find a couple solid LBs in this draft-- Hawk being my priority, then keep the ear to the ground during training camp.
:thumbup: to howard. he just looks like the most ideal power runner after White (skill set wise) in this class of RBs to me. I stick by comparison of him to slightly bigger, slightly slower Michael Turner.I like Jackson alright, but he's raw. I wouldn't take him over Moss and Williams right now.

I am totally sold on Marshall, I have drank the kool aid. I see Terrell Owens written all over this kid. Hass is also higher on my list than most other people's - I would take him over Hagan and Avant for sure.

I do think you're selling these TEs short. Lewis looks like another Heap to me, and Davis looks like a more physical Ben Watson. More exciting than Troupe/Watson, although those are two guys Id love to have in dynasty. You have to remember many leagues have a TE premium (more PPR, more pts for yardage). these guys are going to be valuable, maybe more valuable than the QBs.

I was about to list Wroten, but his arrest bothers me (see: Chris henry)

:thumbup: to the LBs. Ive been piling up 3rd rounders to snag a set of em in my dynasty leagues.

 
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TE - I'm starting to wonder if this group isn't a bunch of hype. Great college players, but Troupe/Watson etc., is all we'll get. In other words, no Gates Gonzo Shockeys in the crowd, but some interesting players to bring aboard. Just a thought.
I don't think it's all hype. Vernon Davis, Pope and Fasano are unknowns because they are JRs but Lewis, Byrd and some of the seniors are fairly well known since they just finnished the all-star bowls. The problem with TEs is that they have to go into the right system and there are several teams that just don't use a TE much. Then there are several more teams who already have a top flight TE so opportunities for these guys are limited and it may take a few years for them to bear fantasy fruit.
 
DE: Mathias Kiwanuka has to be mentioned in some way.
ah good call, I forgot about him because of the senior bowl injury. Maybe be too tall and lanky to rack up tackles in run support, but has the frame of a sack artist - should be picked in the 50s around the same time as Hali.
I'm avoiding Kiwi. I don't see Lawson mentioned at DE or LB. He's going to be good. For fantasy purposes, I like him better than Hali. I like Hali and Tapp about the same though. Lawson really does have that Merriman/Ware thing going.
Lawson is right around the 9-10 range among my LBs. I didnt list the guys after the top 8 - youll see em in the initial 100. I see him having a Ware like impact, but with his long frame and leaping ability more than speed.
 
I don't think it's all hype. Vernon Davis, Pope and Fasano are unknowns because they are JRs but Lewis, Byrd and some of the seniors are fairly well known since they just finnished the all-star bowls. The problem with TEs is that they have to go into the right system and there are several teams that just don't use a TE much. Then there are several more teams who already have a top flight TE so opportunities for these guys are limited and it may take a few years for them to bear fantasy fruit.
Teams adapt, though - Pittsburgh was perhaps the worst place a TE could go in the league since they NEVER used their TEs... then they drafted Miller and started using the TE a fair amount.
 
:thumbup: to howard. he just looks like the most ideal power runner after White (skill set wise) in this class of RBs to me. I stick by comparison of him to slightly bigger, slightly slower Michael Turner.
How would you compare Howard and Brandon Jacobs?
 
:thumbup: to howard. he just looks like the most ideal power runner after White (skill set wise) in this class of RBs to me. I stick by comparison of him to slightly bigger, slightly slower Michael Turner.
How would you compare Howard and Brandon Jacobs?
Howard is not going to have to change his approach - Jacobs came out running way too high. Howard already runs the way you need to to succeed in the NFL - one-cut, burst through the hole, keep the pad level low. I like him better than Jacobs.
 
I am totally sold on Marshall, I have drank the kool aid. I see Terrell Owens written all over this kid. Hass is also higher on my list than most other people's - I would take him over Hagan and Avant for sure.
Marshall Kool-Aid :banned: I pimped Cutler so hard, that I'm trying not to completely destroy any credibility my opinions may have, so I've held off on the TO comparison (but, I have been thinking it for awhile). It's crazy, but the catches I've seen on a highlight vid, and the way he looked like a man among boys at the Hula Bowl (and all season)... it's all very TO-like. So, what the heck, I'll be honest. Marshall is the best WR in the draft. There, I said it. My other option was to say, "Sssshhhhh."

I'm developing a theory I started in a thread about college QBs converted to WR. One of the things that "I think" helps them succeed is toughness. QBs take a pounding and have to be very tough even in college. Not so with wrs. The NFL is very very tough on wrs. Some can't cope and never reach their potential. Marshall is probably the toughest wr I've seen in some time. And his hands are so soft.

:thumbup: to Hass over Hagan/Avant

 
I am totally sold on Marshall, I have drank the kool aid. I see Terrell Owens written all over this kid. Hass is also higher on my list than most other people's - I would take him over Hagan and Avant for sure.
Marshall Kool-Aid :banned: I pimped Cutler so hard, that I'm trying not to completely destroy any credibility my opinions may have, so I've held off on the TO comparison (but, I have been thinking it for awhile). It's crazy, but the catches I've seen on a highlight vid, and the way he looked like a man among boys at the Hula Bowl (and all season)... it's all very TO-like. So, what the heck, I'll be honest. Marshall is the best WR in the draft. There, I said it. My other option was to say, "Sssshhhhh."

I'm developing a theory I started in a thread about college QBs converted to WR. One of the things that "I think" helps them succeed is toughness. QBs take a pounding and have to be very tough even in college. Not so with wrs. The NFL is very very tough on wrs. Some can't cope and never reach their potential. Marshall is probably the toughest wr I've seen in some time. And his hands are so soft.

:thumbup: to Hass over Hagan/Avant
I think Marshall absolutely *could* be the best WR in the draft. Maybe even *should* be the best WR in this draft. Right now he is around 7th-8th among WRs on my board. Im this close to bumping him ahead of Orr and Watkins. It sucks that he doesnt have a combine invite. Marshall has toughness to spare- he was a standout safety in 04 for central florida. All this Marshall talk, and you may get me to move him into my top 5 WR, and top 20 overall. How this kid is not getting more attention is beyond me. "Man among boys" is exactly how to describe both his bowl game and all star game performance. The thing that gets me most excited about Marshall is that he clearly knows exactly how to use his frame, strength, and height to get advantages over the DBs - he's also hard to bring down after the catch and a natural hands catcher. Another comparison I'll pull out is a bigger version of Boldin. Yes, I'm that high on him. :suds: with the Marshall kool aid.

 
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Hey Bloom, STOP with the Marshall hype. Some in my (other) leagues will read this. :rant:
how much will it burn you when the 3rd you just traded me becomes marshall in may?
I'm gonna try to move Matt Jones to get in better position to add Marshall. :banned: Also, I heard that he will get an invite to the combine after his last two performances. He was in that group waiting behind Steve Smith and few underclassmen, but he'll be there. I'm fairly certain. This is a good thing, btw. He'll post a slow Boldin time and people will shy away from him and suggest he should consider moving back to safety.

 
Hey Bloom, STOP with the Marshall hype. Some in my (other) leagues will read this. :rant:
how much will it burn you when the 3rd you just traded me becomes marshall in may?
:shrug: I needed a QB more in that league and like Jason Campbell enough to have made that trade.
 
TE - I'm starting to wonder if this group isn't a bunch of hype. Great college players, but Troupe/Watson etc., is all we'll get. In other words, no Gates Gonzo Shockeys in the crowd, but some interesting players to bring aboard. Just a thought.
If you think Watson doesn't have the talent of any one of those guys, just watch the highlight reels from this season. He is an emerging talent only limited by the offense in which he plays.With all the TE talent already in or coming into the league, VBD'ing will become a challenge in the coming years - there may not be the need to jump on the stud TE's so early any longer....

I also see some serious RBBC next year. We have 5-7 starting-caliber RB's coming out and I don't know that there are that many positions available.

Should be interesting drafting next year to say the least.

 

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